Kobold84 wrote:

nominomu wrote:

Kobold84 wrote:

GamlA wrote:

Kobold84 wrote:

Now, as for the strategy for the current day I would propose to single out an ice planet, that way it's possible for double taps to reveal themselves later without much issue, which would massively help us. If you don't understand why, then it's simple: if double-taps reveal themselves with two living ices we won't be able to tell if they are real or if they're ice planets pretending to be them.

How do you propose we do this?

For that we'd have to notice connections between players or try to single out anyone suspicious. For the former, I didn't really notice anything odd, I think the winning strategy for them is to try to be as dead/neutral as possible during the day, because if we don't vote, there's no chance we get them and they will continue to kill us each night.
As for the latter, I'm voting nominomu. Sorry not sorry, but we have to move forward somehow and you don't seem to be quite "here".

VOTE: nominomu

ok ok i'll actually do something... i've noticed that the ice planets seem to be knocking out accusatory players that encourage the game to move on (samx and yyottacat), that matches what youre saying (but it does put some suspicion on me though). im a bit suspicious of aireunaeus, he seems to disencourage voting and also he protects the less active players (again, me lmao)

What you are saying is reasonable, especially the second part. I remember there was a similar pattern in Aireunaeus actions in a previous mafia game where he was a scum. All days were him saying something along the lines of "there's no one suspicious for me, I'll abstain from voting" and that led to scum outnumbering vanillas. Could just be playing style shenanigans rather than a role-dependent behaviour, but honestly it lines up with how the ice planet operates almost too well.

VOTE: Aireunaeus

Aireunaeus wrote:

Kobold84 wrote:

nominomu wrote:

Kobold84 wrote:

GamlA wrote:

Kobold84 wrote:

Now, as for the strategy for the current day I would propose to single out an ice planet, that way it's possible for double taps to reveal themselves later without much issue, which would massively help us. If you don't understand why, then it's simple: if double-taps reveal themselves with two living ices we won't be able to tell if they are real or if they're ice planets pretending to be them.

How do you propose we do this?

For that we'd have to notice connections between players or try to single out anyone suspicious. For the former, I didn't really notice anything odd, I think the winning strategy for them is to try to be as dead/neutral as possible during the day, because if we don't vote, there's no chance we get them and they will continue to kill us each night.
As for the latter, I'm voting nominomu. Sorry not sorry, but we have to move forward somehow and you don't seem to be quite "here".

VOTE: nominomu

ok ok i'll actually do something... i've noticed that the ice planets seem to be knocking out accusatory players that encourage the game to move on (samx and yyottacat), that matches what youre saying (but it does put some suspicion on me though). im a bit suspicious of aireunaeus, he seems to disencourage voting and also he protects the less active players (again, me lmao)

What you are saying is reasonable, especially the second part. I remember there was a similar pattern in Aireunaeus actions in a previous mafia game where he was a scum. All days were him saying something along the lines of "there's no one suspicious for me, I'll abstain from voting" and that led to scum outnumbering vanillas. Could just be playing style shenanigans rather than a role-dependent behaviour, but honestly it lines up with how the ice planet operates almost too well.

VOTE: Aireunaeus

Well the reason why i didn’t want to vote anyone out (even the people whom are inactive), is because there is a lack of evidence that they are a scum. I can’t just vote a random guy and they’ll end up as a vanilla type. If someone makes a suspicious move then i actually would vote them of course. I do confirm that just voting out noone is kinda a dumb move but I’ll be more active into finding suspicious and vote anyone. It’s my 3rd time playing an online mafia game.

Kobold84 wrote:

Interesting, interesting. So far, ice planet kills are very methodical, I can understand what they're doing and why.
But fire planets are weird, ignoring that no-kill moment first night, I wouldn't really expect them to come for Shaun last night, IAMVERYSMART actions on the first day were suspicious as well. I assume they had an internal fight at night #1, then the one left alive proceeded to kill Shaun, who was extremely inactive at the time, for whatever reason.

Now, as for the strategy for the current day I would propose to single out an ice planet, that way it's possible for double taps to reveal themselves later without much issue, which would massively help us. If you don't understand why, then it's simple: if double-taps reveal themselves with two living ices we won't be able to tell if they are real or if they're ice planets pretending to be them.

Rezq wrote:

Kobold84 wrote:

Interesting, interesting. So far, ice planet kills are very methodical, I can understand what they're doing and why.
But fire planets are weird, ignoring that no-kill moment first night, I wouldn't really expect them to come for Shaun last night, IAMVERYSMART actions on the first day were suspicious as well. I assume they had an internal fight at night #1, then the one left alive proceeded to kill Shaun, who was extremely inactive at the time, for whatever reason.

Now, as for the strategy for the current day I would propose to single out an ice planet, that way it's possible for double taps to reveal themselves later without much issue, which would massively help us. If you don't understand why, then it's simple: if double-taps reveal themselves with two living ices we won't be able to tell if they are real or if they're ice planets pretending to be them.

Wait, does this mean you will be targeted as well because you are pretty active and experienced?

Rezq wrote:

I thought ice was going to kill kobold...

Aireunaeus wrote:

Rezq wrote:

I thought ice was going to kill kobold...

hmmm this sentence is a bit sus

Rezq wrote:

Kobold84 wrote:

Interesting, interesting. So far, ice planet kills are very methodical, I can understand what they're doing and why.
But fire planets are weird, ignoring that no-kill moment first night, I wouldn't really expect them to come for Shaun last night, IAMVERYSMART actions on the first day were suspicious as well. I assume they had an internal fight at night #1, then the one left alive proceeded to kill Shaun, who was extremely inactive at the time, for whatever reason.

Now, as for the strategy for the current day I would propose to single out an ice planet, that way it's possible for double taps to reveal themselves later without much issue, which would massively help us. If you don't understand why, then it's simple: if double-taps reveal themselves with two living ices we won't be able to tell if they are real or if they're ice planets pretending to be them.

Wait, does this mean you will be targeted as well because you are pretty active and experienced?

Kobold84 wrote:

Yes, it's true that I seem like a legitimate target, but this doesn't mean it is what will happen. Two possible scenarios that could be in play:
a) it's a ploy to make me seem as a scum, it also redirects discussions from "who is suspicious" to "why is kobold not targetted", seems simple but works well, I assume even if it's true there's some hidden meaning to it as well;
b) ice planet decided to not target me because they don't render me as much of a threat compared to a possible fire planet member, for example, who they are trying to get rid.

The second scenario also implies my deduction wasn't entirely correct when I was suspecting Aireunaeus and nominomu to an extent, but doesn't clear them 100%.

Kobold84 wrote:

We now know Julian was a scum, so it'd be good to scrutinize their actions one more time.

Day 1: complete inaction (confirmed by being allegedly replaced by the organizator), this means whoever is an ice planet was acting alone on the first day and night. Not much information, but worth remembering. To me, that means that one ice planet scum was probably not as risky and spent the day rather passively, knowing full well their team is in a bad spot.

Day 2: Joon accused Julian to be a fire planet due to his low activity.
ClevelandsMyBro defended Julian and remarked how inactivity is more likely to indicate he's a townie. GamlA did not defend Julian, but asked about this accusation.
After a while ClevelandsMyBro decided to put suspicion on Julian as well (without voting however).
Julian defended himself and said he doesn't have a lot of free time currently, while proposing other options to who could be a scum. He also slightly accused GamIA of being a fire planet based on a post of IAVS. The latter to me speaks a lot, because his low activity does seem genuine and this accusation could spiral out of control very fast and put GamIA at a risk of being voted out. Not worth it, if he was his ice partner.

Night 2: Julian died.

Rezq wrote:

Why did fire planet killed him though? They could have use him as a decoy

Kobold84 wrote:

Also I know this is risky, but maybe it's a good time for a double-tap to reveal themselves. If there's only a single person coming out, this means we have one less suspect off the list as they're 100% a townie. If there'd more than one however, then one of them is 100% a scum, which is also good for us and at the very least we can decide between the two (or even three? but unlikely) instead of trying to find the suspicious person among all of us.

Since we're 5 vs 2 right now, we absolutely have to get a planet today, because otherwise the very next day our number could shrink down to 3 vs 2, which is... well, you can imagine how bad that would be.

Rezq wrote:

Ahhh, so in the first night they targeted Julian but his bulletproof activated. So they know that Julian is one of the Ice Planet and targeted him again

Rezq wrote:

Wait, can the golden planet kill?

GamlA wrote:

Now we understand, because of Julian_Kaiser's murder, that the fire planets' absence of a kill on night 1 was due to the depletion of the ice planets' bulletproof.

And because of the ice planets never missing their target, we can say that Team Fire still has their bulletproof.

Kobold84 wrote:

Voting because of the bandwagon last day occurring for no reason. Maybe that would also help in reviving him.

VOTE: Joon Yorigami

Kobold84 wrote:

No one else to claim the role of a double-tap?

Kobold84 wrote:

Voting because of the bandwagon last day occurring for no reason. Maybe that would also help in reviving him.

VOTE: Joon Yorigami

Kobold84 wrote:

No one else to claim the role of a double-tap?

Kobold84 wrote:

Voting because of the bandwagon last day occurring for no reason. Maybe that would also help in reviving him.

VOTE: Joon Yorigami

ClevelandsMyBro wrote:

Kobold84 wrote:

No one else to claim the role of a double-tap?

ofc not because hes dead.

ClevelandsMyBro wrote:

Kobold84 wrote:

Voting because of the bandwagon last day occurring for no reason. Maybe that would also help in reviving him.

VOTE: Joon Yorigami

dont think theres no reasoning behind the wagon imo. voting out someone would be beneficial at this later stages of the game. would rather take the gamble than allow scums to take control of the night but thats from my experience.

ClevelandsMyBro wrote:

Kobold84 wrote:

No one else to claim the role of a double-tap?

ofc not because hes dead.

Kobold84 wrote:

ClevelandsMyBro wrote:

Kobold84 wrote:

No one else to claim the role of a double-tap?

ofc not because hes dead.

As I explained, one of the planets could lie and say he is a double-tap. Doesn't seem like it will be the case.

Kobold84 wrote:

It's been 2 days since my request and nominomu claimed to be one, so yeah, guess that settles it. The only one who did not post anything yet is Aireunaeus.

Aireunaeus wrote:

Kobold84 wrote:

It's been 2 days since my request and nominomu claimed to be one, so yeah, guess that settles it. The only one who did not post anything yet is Aireunaeus.

I didn't even know what to say or respond due to me sometimes having difficulty understanding the context of the words or what they mean. But i try very hard to respond on that

On the other hand, I do kinda suspect gamla as a scum, because smart guy telling that he’s "100% not a scum". That kinda reminds me like the word "definitely" Or "totally". these words remind me that they'll use them in an ironic way. so it could be a possibility that gamla is a scum by any chance. Soo
VOTE: GamlA

Aireunaeus wrote:

I'm really surprised that noone responded after 2 days

nominomu wrote:

also how were there literally no eliminations last night? im expecting that the ice planet may have targeted fire which activated the bulletproof (ice planet kills were successful in nights 1, 2, and 3, which means the bulletproof hasn't been activated until possibly night 4). but then that means fire planet didnt target anyone last night, which is strange.

unless, if both planets targeted the same person, which is probably more likely. theres only 6 players left (and theres a good chance that both planets targeted me since i revealed as double-tap)

(y'know, it would be really funny if they do that again this night)

(yes please target me again :3c)

nominomu wrote:

also how were there literally no eliminations last night? im expecting that the ice planet may have targeted fire which activated the bulletproof (ice planet kills were successful in nights 1, 2, and 3, which means the bulletproof hasn't been activated until possibly night 4). but then that means fire planet didnt target anyone last night, which is strange.

unless, if both planets targeted the same person, which is probably more likely. theres only 6 players left (and theres a good chance that both planets targeted me since i revealed as double-tap)

(y'know, it would be really funny if they do that again this night)

(yes please target me again :3c)

nominomu wrote:

lets vote for the other suspicious person, i think he was seen awake and talking in the middle of the night as well

OVERDUSTFIVA wrote:

Aireunaeus wrote:

I'm really surprised that noone responded after 2 days

I'm also very surprised that you speak in the public at night as the third rules-breaker

nominomu wrote:

lets vote for the other suspicious person, i think he was seen awake and talking in the middle of the night as well

VOTE: Aireunaeus

Aireunaeus wrote:

It wasn't really a great idea to eliminate gamla. But that's pretty suspicious that kobold and a few others easily agreed to it without any proper suspicion about him.

Aireunaeus wrote:

On the other hand, I do kinda suspect gamla as a scum, because smart guy telling that he’s "100% not a scum". That kinda reminds me like the word "definitely" Or "totally". these words remind me that they'll use them in an ironic way. so it could be a possibility that gamla is a scum by any chance. Soo
VOTE: GamlA

ClevelandsMyBro wrote:

are you guys fucking for real?

vote: aireunaeus

ClevelandsMyBro wrote:

are you guys fucking for real?

vote: aireunaeus

Rezq wrote:

Sorry

yhuan (or whoever is replacing him)

Joon Yorigami wrote:

I'm not really sure myself who to hammer here, I have (in some way) cleared myself so I'll just wait for you guys

ClevelandsMyBro wrote:

unrelated but i also raised my suspicion here with a scum/town slip community/forums/topics/1779619?n=258

reason being because kobold is fire plabet meanwhile the double tap was killed by ice planet and that could lead to a misunderstanding

Kobold84 wrote:

ClevelandsMyBro wrote:

unrelated but i also raised my suspicion here with a scum/town slip community/forums/topics/1779619?n=258

reason being because kobold is fire plabet meanwhile the double tap was killed by ice planet and that could lead to a misunderstanding

That's directly related to my posts above, I explained how there's only one double tap left and it'd be good if he reveals himself, because we either get a single claim meaning it's a confirmed vanilla or we get multiple claims meaning one of them is definitely a scum. At that point I was making sure nominomu is the real double tap, because not everyone posted on that day yet, so he still could be false-claiming. Not exactly sure how that's a slip.

If I was a scum, I wouldn't want double-taps to reveal themselves at any point, as this would mean there's one less suspect and it'd be more likely I myself would get voted out.

Kobold84 wrote:

Also I know this is risky, but maybe it's a good time for a double-tap to reveal themselves. If there's only a single person coming out, this means we have one less suspect off the list as they're 100% a townie. If there'd more than one however, then one of them is 100% a scum, which is also good for us and at the very least we can decide between the two (or even three? but unlikely) instead of trying to find the suspicious person among all of us.

Kobold84 wrote:

Kobold84 wrote:

Also I know this is risky, but maybe it's a good time for a double-tap to reveal themselves. If there's only a single person coming out, this means we have one less suspect off the list as they're 100% a townie. If there'd more than one however, then one of them is 100% a scum, which is also good for us and at the very least we can decide between the two (or even three? but unlikely) instead of trying to find the suspicious person among all of us.

This was my post before "No one else to claim the role of a double-tap?", notice the singular usage of the role — I definitely did not forget who died, you can check the timing yourself. But that's a pretty weak accusation regardless.

ClevelandsMyBro wrote:

Kobold84 wrote:

Kobold84 wrote:

Also I know this is risky, but maybe it's a good time for a double-tap to reveal themselves. If there's only a single person coming out, this means we have one less suspect off the list as they're 100% a townie. If there'd more than one however, then one of them is 100% a scum, which is also good for us and at the very least we can decide between the two (or even three? but unlikely) instead of trying to find the suspicious person among all of us.

This was my post before "No one else to claim the role of a double-tap?", notice the singular usage of the role — I definitely did not forget who died, you can check the timing yourself. But that's a pretty weak accusation regardless.

"...to reveal themselves"

youre just digging a deeper hole for yourself.