I am a religious single tapper. Let me explain.

In my 2.5 short years of playing this game, full alt was never an option because I didn't even know such a thing was possible. I have asked for countless advice, maps and ways to improve at full alt yet I never seem to get it down.

1. I tried starting at the basics, playing 3* maps, but I never got the hang of those.
2. I tried brute-forcing it, that didn't end up well either.
3. I tried a combination of both and yet I'm nowhere near understanding how full alt is even possible.
4. Taking a break to start fresh? Nope.

No matter how much advice I ask for and no matter how many different maps I play and the hours I put in, nothing seems plausible.

What's next? How do I approach this?

(At this point I'm convinced nobody can teach me full alt, if you or your advice can, I swear I'll get you a month of supporter)

I have been a full-alt since I played my first 'hard' map, and I understand lots of players can never learn alt after they mastered single-taps, so I've been trying my best to find some ways to teach people learn full-alt (and most likely, it doesn't work because you have to break your own reflection on the notes in order to full-alt, which is quite hard).

OK. So the fundamental of full-alt is reading and pace switching. You have 10 times the pp than I have so I can believe you can tell 1/4 and 1/2 easily right? Great. Next step we are going to focus on the fingers. When I was first learning the bursts, I used ap so I can focus on the fingers, and try my best to, idk, but to put an extra force on the fingers to make them faster in 1/4 beats. Quite hard to explain though, but there will be a point where you will say: Oh, I find the feeling, and welcome to full-alt
If there had been a finger-control issue, you may map some pace-switch single-hand trills in mania to help you learn it. After you can make a fc on 3 star bursts, try to get yourself accuracy. It is hard for me and I haven't learnt that (sorry)

This is the map that helped me learned full-alt, you may try it if you want: beatmapsets/1607656#osu/3311083 (the hard and light insane diff)

If you just can't help yourself switching to single-tapping while training, you may use the 'alternative' mod in lazer to force you get into the habit of full-alt. It could be elther helpful or not, but why not have a try?

Hopes this can help you,
Best wishes,
a newbie who learnt full-alt

Edit: as a full-alt, single-tap seems to be impossible for me, so someone should teach me how to single-tap XD

Edit2: Another method that might be useful is to practice on your table. Try this:
X Z X ZXZ
Z X Z XZX
If you are comfortable with that, use the timing tab of the editor, and listen to the tick of different bpm to keep up with the beat!

just dont alt kid

start from easier maps. start from tapping to tablet or keys without beatmap, in the rhytm you failed to do in map.

try learning singletap/start burst and streams on both fingers first, so they are as strong.

try with auto aim mod first to focus on one hand first

Sorry but you cant full alternate unless you have alternator genetics...

Kidding kidding

But to be honest its probably going to take more work than its worth to change to full alternate. You have been playing for 2.5 years with the same habits so its basically hardwired and it will take probably months to build the fundamentals from scratch.

Some of the best players in the world are single tappers. Alternating is the better style (tho I'm biased cause I full alt) however there's no real evidence that single tap will hold you back so you will be fine staying as you are.

try burst maps with nm/or dt and stream maps. maps like tower of heaven (you are slaves) hyper DT (burstmap) or firelight any of the 3 diff (stream map)
beatmapsets/1526448#osu/3607095

I personally use these maps to practice finger control

just single tap but with 2 fingers instead of 1
anyway u dont have to full alt to get better u just have to learn to alt what you cant singletap which should simplify things

Fxjlk wrote:

Sorry but you cant full alternate unless you have alternator genetics...

this.

the only remaining answer is quit

I appreciate all the replies so far so I'll try to respond to a couple.

heipizhu wrote:

Next step we are going to focus on the fingers. When I was first learning the bursts, I used ap so I can focus on the fingers, and try my best to, idk, but to put an extra force on the fingers to make them faster in 1/4 beats.

I have actually tried using AP before as I had a hard time focusing on my fingers on certain patterns. AP somehow didn't make a difference.

If you just can't help yourself switching to single-tapping while training, you may use the 'alternative' mod in lazer to force you get into the habit of full-alt.

So far this seems to be working, except I'm using full alt mod on mcosu. They're virtually the same.

dung eater wrote:

try learning singletap/start burst and streams on both fingers first, so they are as strong.

The thing is, I actually can single tap/start streams and bursts with both my fingers, but as soon as I have to do the same thing full alt my brain just shits itself.

Fxjlk wrote:

Sorry but you cant full alternate unless you have alternator genetics...

Oh...okay.
Jokes aside tho, I really appreciate you helping me with this off-forums as well.

I was also a religious single tapper but then I learned how to stream and it helped me to also become an alt player. Stream maps are great for that ngl

I AM VERY SMART wrote:

I was also a religious single tapper but then I learned how to stream and it helped me to also become an alt player. Stream maps are great for that ngl

A fellow single tapper.
Regular streams never did much for me (I'm probably not reading streams the "correct" way) but low bpm streams do help a little bit. They're good for practice, but that's about it.

Juradon wrote:

I AM VERY SMART wrote:

I was also a religious single tapper but then I learned how to stream and it helped me to also become an alt player. Stream maps are great for that ngl

A fellow single tapper.
Regular streams never did much for me (I'm probably not reading streams the "correct" way) but low bpm streams do help a little bit. They're good for practice, but that's about it.

oh I have great beatmap for you! >:D

beatmapsets/10694#osu/41411

MrMcMikey22 wrote:

Juradon wrote:

I AM VERY SMART wrote:

I was also a religious single tapper but then I learned how to stream and it helped me to also become an alt player. Stream maps are great for that ngl

A fellow single tapper.
Regular streams never did much for me (I'm probably not reading streams the "correct" way) but low bpm streams do help a little bit. They're good for practice, but that's about it.

oh I have great beatmap for you! >:D

beatmapsets/10694#osu/41411

AAAAAAAAAAAAAA PLEASE NOT THIS

MrMcMikey22 wrote:

Juradon wrote:

I AM VERY SMART wrote:

I was also a religious single tapper but then I learned how to stream and it helped me to also become an alt player. Stream maps are great for that ngl

A fellow single tapper.
Regular streams never did much for me (I'm probably not reading streams the "correct" way) but low bpm streams do help a little bit. They're good for practice, but that's about it.

oh I have great beatmap for you! >:D

beatmapsets/10694#osu/41411

so great

I AM VERY SMART wrote:

MrMcMikey22 wrote:

Juradon wrote:

I AM VERY SMART wrote:

I was also a religious single tapper but then I learned how to stream and it helped me to also become an alt player. Stream maps are great for that ngl

A fellow single tapper.
Regular streams never did much for me (I'm probably not reading streams the "correct" way) but low bpm streams do help a little bit. They're good for practice, but that's about it.

oh I have great beatmap for you! >:D

beatmapsets/10694#osu/41411

AAAAAAAAAAAAAA PLEASE NOT THIS

What's so bad about that map?

Probably you could learn to alt by following this (idk whther this would work):
Fast stream→slow stream→fast single tap→slow single tap→jump→burst→tech

just play some mania for like 50 hours and then you can full alt thats what i did

luminar wrote:

just play some mania for like 50 hours and then you can full alt thats what i did

come back

luminar wrote:

just play some mania for like 50 hours and then you can full alt thats what i did

W

luminar wrote:

just play some mania for like 50 hours and then you can full alt thats what i did

Damn if that's the case I should expect to be an alt master when I come to std again

Stomiks wrote:

luminar wrote:

just play some mania for like 50 hours and then you can full alt thats what i did

Damn if that's the case I should expect to be an alt master when I come to std again

It won't guarantee that you'll be one but it can help

I AM VERY SMART wrote:

Stomiks wrote:

luminar wrote:

just play some mania for like 50 hours and then you can full alt thats what i did

Damn if that's the case I should expect to be an alt master when I come to std again

It won't guarantee that you'll be one but it can help

Yeah that's what happened to luminar over here

Stomiks wrote:

I AM VERY SMART wrote:

Stomiks wrote:

luminar wrote:

just play some mania for like 50 hours and then you can full alt thats what i did

Damn if that's the case I should expect to be an alt master when I come to std again

It won't guarantee that you'll be one but it can help

Yeah that's what happened to luminar over here

Yup

ooh, that's pretty hard to give you advice. even though i'm an alt player, it seems all that i can say is force yourself to alternate and with nf on. i see, that you tried easier maps, but try play with like 4-5* maps and try not to be frustrated. it's progress after all.

Stomiks wrote:

I AM VERY SMART wrote:

MrMcMikey22 wrote:

Juradon wrote:

I AM VERY SMART wrote:

I was also a religious single tapper but then I learned how to stream and it helped me to also become an alt player. Stream maps are great for that ngl

A fellow single tapper.
Regular streams never did much for me (I'm probably not reading streams the "correct" way) but low bpm streams do help a little bit. They're good for practice, but that's about it.

oh I have great beatmap for you! >:D

beatmapsets/10694#osu/41411

AAAAAAAAAAAAAA PLEASE NOT THIS

What's so bad about that map?

It's the hardest map of the game.

Aireunaeus wrote:

even though i'm an alt player, it seems all that i can say is force yourself to alternate and with nf on. i see, that you tried easier maps, but try play with like 4-5* maps and try not to be frustrated. it's progress after all.

You see, playing 4-5* maps will most definitely end up as a mess since I barely have any full alt knowledge (it's genuinely that terrible).

Are you struggling alternating in general, or can you somewhat alt but not full alt?

Juradon wrote:

Aireunaeus wrote:

even though i'm an alt player, it seems all that i can say is force yourself to alternate and with nf on. i see, that you tried easier maps, but try play with like 4-5* maps and try not to be frustrated. it's progress after all.

You see, playing 4-5* maps will most definitely end up as a mess since I barely have any full alt knowledge (it's genuinely that terrible).

I see, oof it’s really hard to give advice on this kind of problem, because i started playing with alt since like the start of playing osu

Wimpy Cursed wrote:

luminar wrote:

just play some mania for like 50 hours and then you can full alt thats what i did

come back

The voice of the devil is trying to tempt me. I will not listen to it. I play COD now

luminar wrote:

Wimpy Cursed wrote:

luminar wrote:

just play some mania for like 50 hours and then you can full alt thats what i did

come back

The voice of the devil is trying to tempt me. I will not listen to it. I play COD now

come back to crushing your fingers already

The way that I have played it is to play some old hard maps in osu!

Some of the Hard diffs really have like a 5 or 7 note-stream maybe even more!

Though these beatmaps are mostly in the lower 4* range.

Can be a very good way to practice spaced streams too, because a lot of old hard maps have indeed somewhat spaced bursts or streams. And they can be a pretty great way to abuse pp, if you are very very good on old maps, but most of the old maps are known for their lack of true mapping knowledge, so it often ends up having weird sections or weird streams or really anything like that. I'd recommend though to not play the ones that have incorrect timing...

I'd recommend playing lots and lots of 2008-2009 maps and maybe some 2010-2012 diffs too, even though I find the 2010-2012 diffs to be surprisingly harder than the older ones..mostly..

Like this one: beatmapsets/17243#osu/61692

I hate playing the sprite tribe beatmaps, but they are pretty good for alternating on bpms that I ABSOLUTELY DESPISE!

And they can be also used to single tap like a god too! *_*

yoony1 wrote:

Are you struggling alternating in general, or can you somewhat alt but not full alt?

I can somewhat alt, just not full alt.

Aireunaeus wrote:

I see, oof it’s really hard to give advice on this kind of problem, because i started playing with alt since like the start of playing osu

I get it, it's hard giving advice on learning something you never really had to "learn".

MrMcMikey22 wrote:

I'd recommend playing lots and lots of 2008-2009 maps and maybe some 2010-2012 diffs too, even though I find the 2010-2012 diffs to be surprisingly harder than the older ones..mostly..

Like this one: beatmapsets/17243#osu/61692

If you could give me more maps like that, I would really appreciate it!

And they can be also used to single tap like a god too! *_*

If it's possible to single tap, you can bet I'll do it.