cheukhin1985 wrote:

here comes nooby modding!!! :3
[OVERALL]
Calibrate the offset of all difficulties!!
fixed

[Normal]
0:20:096 (8) remove whistle
fixed
0:35:096 -

SPOILER

Open the .osu file with Notepad in your beatmap's directory and Ctrl+F search for this line of code:

408,96,35096,2,0,B|536:176|472:280|416:368|272:264,1,400,2|0

And replace with this line of code:

408,96,35096,2,0,B|528:160|496:312|360:352|280:256,1,400,2|0

You will end up with this more elegant and curvy slider:

fixed
1:14:243 (5) Clap
fixed
1:17:535 (9) Remove Clap and add Finish
fixed
1:27:779 (1) Mute the spinner
fixed
2:14:609 (10) Improve the curve like the way I did
fixed
2:45:340 (9) Remove Clap and add Finish
fixed
3:10:942 (1,2,3) The three notes here are not too similar to the rhythm, try to make it exactly same with the music
fixed

[Easy]
Approach Rate: 1 (Starting from 0)
fixed
2:22:292 (5,6) Change them to a slider?
fixed

Beatmap is okay, star
kds please

Wiinter wrote:

Hey there ^_^

General
Add some other combo colour?
thanks, but since I follow the colour of the clothes, so...

Easy
00:26:682 (x) - add a note here?
fixed
00:42:413 (4) - change this spacing? this note is like in the end of the world D: I'd place it somewhere like this http://puu.sh/KDJ
fixed
01:15:340 (7) - new combo
no, thanks
01:44:608 (4) - start new combo here instead of 01:44:974 (1) ?
fixed
02:13:145 (5) - flip horizontally? (Ctrl+H)
fixed
02:43:145 (7) - new combo (lol copy paste part XD)
no,thanks

Normal
01:52:657 (1) - remove new combo? D:
no,thanks
02:43:145 (7) - new combo
no,thanks

Awww I loved this sb <3 Starr'd

• 
  Easy 和 Normal 两个难度的Clap都加在了强拍上 不过还是建议换加在弱拍上（尤其是Kiai Time里的Clap 强烈建议你改加在弱拍
  另外后面那段我测的Timing有点不同：
  Offset:179243 BPM:164
  Offset:182169 BPM:158
  Offset:185206 BPM:151
  Offset:188384 BPM:140.5
  另外如果要对齐重音的话还要在02:59:243加一根164BPM的红线

• 
  01:01:438 (4): 开头加Finish
  02:18:999 (5,1): 距离太近
  02:22:291 (5,6): 换成Slider
  02:29:243 (4): 开头加Finish
  02:58:511 : Kiai Time 这里结束

• 
  00:54:121- 00:58:145 : 这段Clap的加法有了点变化 还是建议把这段Clap都加在强拍
  01:01:438 (1): 开头加Finish
  01:46:987 : 加个Circle
  02:29:243 (4): 开头加Finish
  02:58:511 : Kiai Time 这里结束

• 
  00:47:535 (7): 返回箭头会被前面的300遮住的 建议把这个Slider移一下
  01:30:706 : Kiai Time 这里结束
  02:58:511 : ^

impossiblexu wrote:

Hi~

我的一点建议:

[General]

• 
  Easy 和 Normal 两个难度的Clap都加在了强拍上 不过还是建议换加在弱拍上（尤其是Kiai Time里的Clap 强烈建议你改加在弱拍
  kiai time的都改了
  
  另外后面那段我测的Timing有点不同：
  Offset:179243 BPM:164
  Offset:182169 BPM:158
  Offset:185206 BPM:151
  Offset:188384 BPM:140.5
  另外如果要对齐重音的话还要在02:59:243加一根164BPM的红线
  所有时间都改好了

[Easy]
建议Circle Size - 1
fixed

• 
  01:01:438 (4): 开头加Finish
  fixed
  02:18:999 (5,1): 距离太近
  fixed
  02:22:291 (5,6): 换成Slider
  fixed
  02:29:243 (4): 开头加Finish
  fixed
  02:58:511 : Kiai Time 这里结束
  fixed

[Normal]

• 
  00:54:121- 00:58:145 : 这段Clap的加法有了点变化 还是建议把这段Clap都加在强拍
  fixed
  01:01:438 (1): 开头加Finish
  fixed
  01:46:987 : 加个Circle
  fixed
  02:29:243 (4): 开头加Finish
  fixed
  02:58:511 : Kiai Time 这里结束
  fixed

lepidopodus wrote:

I think entire BPM of this song is doubled. It's not much problem in other maps since there's no 1/4 (in BPM 164) notes, in Taiko that's a serious problem. This Taiko map contains lots of 1/4 and it's actually 1/8 in BPI 82 so that makes the map severely overmapped.

Halve the entire BPM to 82 in Taiko map and remap the entire thing. Currently It's unrankable.

arien666 wrote:

[General]
Add tag 'impossiblexu' who made guest diff
fixed
mp3 file is 320kbps orz If possible, encode into 128~192kbps please ;_;
fixed

[Easy]
3 notes are unsnapped so check out with AImod :3 [Ctrl + Shift + A]
01:01:438 (4) - [Suggestion] Add new combo?
no, thanks

[Normal]
Some 1/2 stream might not be easy on this diff but whatever ;_;
01:10:950 (8,9,10) - Just worried about difficulty of this pattern ;_;
02:38:755 (8,9,10) - Just worried about difficulty of this pattern ;_;
03:10:946 (1,2,3) - Move to center please?fixed

Okay...
;_;
/me runs away orz

justnobody wrote:

[Easy]
01:04:365 (6,1) - spacing?
fixed
01:10:950 - 01:11:682 加slider?
fixed
02:22:292 (5) - 這短slider可能是unrankable的。
变成一个小折返

arien666 wrote:

[ShikiEiki's Taiko]
Some over-mapping... Try to avoid using 1/4 streams on this diff please...
AudioLeadIn: 1974 ??? Change this into 2500 via notepad
fixed
00:00:-025 - Add note on here
fixed
00:01:072 (3,4,5,6) - d_ddk? change into ddd_d or kkd_d ;_;
kkd_d
00:02:170 (7) - kat or I won't skip this issue orz
kat

00:38:023 - 00:59:974 remaped

01:00:706 (312,313) - Big kat
fixed
01:01:438 - Add kiai start on here
fixed
01:27:414 (500,501) - kat
fixed
01:30:706 - Add kiai end on here
fixed
01:30:706 (1) - Delete finish
fixed
01:42:048 (50) - ^
fixed
02:01:072 (1) - kat
fixed
02:14:243 (74,75) - Big kat
fixed
02:29:243 - Add kiai start on here
fixed
02:33:633 (90,91,92,93,94,95,96,97,98) - NO
ddddddddkdkdk
02:58:511 - Add kiai end on here
fixed

BakaHuang wrote:

just suggestion

[Normal]
00:18:816(3-6)-用silder代替？~
no, but thanks
00:11:133(8)-add clap
00:11:499(9)-^
is 01:11:133 & 01:11:499?
if add clap, a little noisy
01:27:414(6)-remove clap
fixed

后面重复的一部分一样
fixed

Aleks719 wrote:

Normal
00:58:511 (3) - 2nd reverse surprised me then i testing this diff. Try to remove reverse and add note at 00:59:609
no, thanks
01:06:560 (2) - add clap to the start of slider
fixe
01:11:682 (10) - add finish?
fixed
01:19:548 (4,5,6,7,8,9,10) - claps here sounds randomly. follow the rhythm
fixed
Easy
01:50:462 (6) - new combo?
no, thanks

That's all. star

Dark_Ai wrote:

Mod Queues:

Hey =)
This is a beautiful Song

Easy:
nice (:
01:57:048 (2) - 3 grid down
fixed


Normal:
00:34:365 (1) - 4 grid left ?
fixed

Karen:
well O:

impossiblexu's Insane:
I don't have to say X:

really nice map. You get a Star and I hope this Map will be ranked

karenying wrote:

快找MAT=x=

Garven wrote:

As per your request:

[General]
I only got three of the five difficulties, so please do a full resubmit (you will anyway if you do any SB changes, hehe)

[Storyboard]
01:13:145 - The strobe in the SB should start here, not peak here.
01:14:609 - The strobe in the SB should start here, not peak here.
02:40:950 - The strobe in the SB should start here, not peak here.
02:42:414 - The strobe in the SB should start here, not peak here.

[Easy]
00:58:511 (2,3) - I'm not sure about a repeating slider like this in the easy difficulty. It may be difficult for a new player to tell when it is going to end - especially with a note so soon afterward.
fixed
01:27:779 (1) - Maybe have this end on a custom soft finish?
fixed
02:55:584 (1) - Maybe end this at 02:57:779 - ? The note after the spinner is kind of soon for an easy.
fixed
Really well-done easy. Good job~

[Normal]
00:15:889 (4,5,6,7) - I don't think these kinds of rhythms fit considering how slow this part of the song is...
fixed
00:18:816 (3,4,5,6) - ^
fixed
01:27:779 (1) - Maybe have this end on a custom soft finish?
fixed
The copy/paste was kind of disappointing.
make some changes

[Karen]
tbh, I think the individual .5x sections for single sliders are a little too slow. Might I suggest you do .75x instead?
00:46:072 (1,2) - Try to line these up a little better?
01:09:304 (5) - This doesn't work at all as a slow down. Applies to copy paste later on
01:12:414 (1) - This would work better as normal notes imo Applies to copy paste later on
01:30:706 (1) - Maybe have this end on a custom soft finish?
03:11:800 (3) - Maybe have this end on a custom soft finish?
The copy/paste was kind of disappointing.

[impossiblexu's Insane]
01:27:871 (1) - Maybe have this end on a custom soft finish?
Really nice. Just wish there wasn't so many tiny overlaps, haha.

[ShikiEiki's Taiko]
So much made up rhythm for such quite parts of the music. :/ I don't like it much, sorry. Seems technically fine, though the chorus parts seem so ridiculous...
now, this diff I will remap some parts

Good map set here.

Garven wrote:

[impossiblexu's Insane]
01:27:871 (1) - Maybe have this end on a custom soft finish? Fixed
Really nice. Just wish there wasn't so many tiny overlaps, haha.haha

1. 这坑爹-25 offset怎么得出的... Taiko难度第一个note就unsnapped了 而且Osu难度打起来还没问题 我勒个去...
2. tags里的'ShikiEiki 503624133'不要有空格
3. L9S2613W9215_009_2.jpg 这个请用640x480的图(最大可以800x600...但是还是得缩到640x480用)

1. 00:47:901 (8) - new combo 太蛋疼了 效果不太好
2. 01:00:706 (3) - new combo
3. 02:15:340 (7) - ^
4. 02:28:511 (6) - ^

1. 许哥做出来还是Hard啊 stress

Colin Hou wrote:

[General]:

1. 这坑爹-25 offset怎么得出的... Taiko难度第一个note就unsnapped了 而且Osu难度打起来还没问题 我勒个去...
   加了45ms空白
2. tags里的'ShikiEiki 503624133'不要有空格
   fixed
3. L9S2613W9215_009_2.jpg 这个请用640x480的图(最大可以800x600...但是还是得缩到640x480用)
   fixed

[Karen]:

1. 00:47:901 (8) - new combo 太蛋疼了 效果不太好
2. 01:00:706 (3) - new combo
3. 02:15:340 (7) - ^
4. 02:28:511 (6) - ^
   这个我会找原作者...

[impossiblexu's Insane]:

1. 许哥做出来还是Hard啊 stress

queue之外的mod就偷点懒了 :3

kathy4006 wrote:

期待rank..~!

Tonoko wrote:

:oops: waiting for a long long time

offset 好像有些怪 换过mp3么 ?

H-Miku wrote:

再不来都要进坟墓了><

cmn_891127 wrote:

H-Miku wrote:

再不来都要进坟墓了><

被禁网啦~(怎么这么喜庆呢?
哎~我现在就是纯爪机党，N天前还上网上得停机了...今天刚贿赂了移动

H-Miku wrote:

想你了><就是少有一个月都没见了

H-Miku wrote:

你怎么能把我看成触手那样的坏蛋啊~~~(>_<)~~~我可是真想你了咩

cmn_891127 wrote:

H-Miku wrote:

你怎么能把我看成触手那样的坏蛋啊~~~(>_<)~~~我可是真想你了咩

今天下午可以放假了半天！！！好开心啊~
。。。你怎么还不在。。。

Garven wrote:

[General]
A lot of timing sections aren't quite snapped, which isn't much of a problem, though you think you can at least snap the ones that are involved with starting and starting the kiai time?
all fixed

[Easy]
HP Drain -1 or 2 please
00:42:459 (4,1) - Spacing
all fixed

[Normal]
The difficulty settings feel really high for a Normal.
02:59:243 (1,2,3,4) - Snapped to 1/8 on accident.
all fixed

[Taiko]
...feels over-done during the beginning considering the music.
The .5x -> 1x speed transitions feel abrupt. Maybe use .75x during the parts where you use 1x, and 1x during kiai sections?
all fixed

• Easy
  

1. 00:45:385 (3,5) - Very ugly overlap. On top of that, it hides the end of (5). You'll need to rearrange the pattern.
2. 00:46:849 (5,2) - Here again, ugly overlap. :/
3. 01:13:922 (4,7) - Add new combo to match the lyrics more and stay consistent with your previous comboing and the comboing after this.
4. 01:49:410 (4,5,6,7,1) - I don't think you need so many notes here. It's rather difficult to play and doesn't follow the lyrics, while you've been following the lyrics all the time so far.
5. 02:02:946 (2,1) - This spacing might throw off new players because (1) is too close to (2)'s end and it looks like they're 1/1 apart.
6. 02:13:190 (5) - Add a new combo to cut the long combo.
7. 02:41:727 (4,7) - Add new combo to match the lyrics more and stay consistent with your previous comboing.

1. This is too hard for a Normal. There are too many 1/2 (most of them being only added beats...) and some patterns are too difficult or confusing. I can't really give you general advice on how to make it easier, but I can already suggest you reduce AR by 1 and made circles bigger. The difficulty needs some work though.
2. 00:16:483 (5,6,7) - This kind of added beat adds unnecessary difficulty: they match nothing in the song, and on top of that, they are 1/2, which might be difficult for a new player.
3. 00:32:398 (3,4) - Same: they match nothing in the song and are only here for difficulty, especially in a stack.
4. 00:38:068 (2,2) - Very bad overlap. The slidertrack is completely hidden, and the endpoint is hidden as well.
5. 00:50:507 (3) - Here again, an unnecessary added beat. You could just delete this and extend the slider until this point. Moreover, I wouldn't suggest to stack notes under sliders in a Normal: due to the stacking, it looks bad in-game, and the timing is sometimes confusing.
6. 00:57:824 (3,1,2,3) - The stacking makes the spacing wrong here. Unstack. Also, the second repeat of (3) is hidden by the hitbursts.
7. 01:08:800 (5) - This makes absolutely no sense with the song and makes the pattern a lot more difficult than it should be.
8. 01:10:995 (1,2,3) - Unnecessary and unfitting added beats in a very confusing and difficult to play pattern.
9. 01:13:922 (4) - New combo to stay consitent in your comboing through the diff and the whole mapset.
10. 01:47:032 (1,2,3,4) - Extremely confusingly placed unnecessary added beats. This starts on a red tick, which is very confusing, and doesn't even fit the song.
11. 01:49:044 (3) - This circle is hidden under the slidertrack.
12. 01:54:898 (3) - Why would you add an unnecessary 1/2 here when you've been following 1/1 rhythms for this part of the song all the time until then ?
13. 01:57:093 (2,4) - Same...
14. 02:00:020 (2,2) - Same.
15. 02:06:605 (4,1,2,3) - The stacking makes the spacing wrong.
16. 02:13:922 (2,3,4,5) - Same.
17. 02:16:849 (1) - The anti-jump is very confusing.
18. 02:16:849 (1,2,3,4,5) - The spacing within this combo is inconsistent.
19. 02:26:361 (3) - The second repeat of the slider is hidden under hitbursts.
20. 02:36:605 (5) - Same extremely confusing repeat slider as 01:08:800 -
21. 03:10:991 (1,2,3) - Stacking these is a bad idea, because the timing changes, and stacks make timing sometimes confusing. Unstack them.

1. Rename this Karen's Insane to stay consistent with the other difficulties' names.
2. The spacing is extremely inconsistent. It changes every combo and sometimes several times in the same combo. You need to take time to re-space the diff entirely.
3. The hitsounds in the beginning are quite low.
4. 00:48:861 (1) - Why a beat here ? Making the combo start on a red tick is confusing and doesn't fit the song.
5. 01:00:020 (2,3,4) - Make the anti-jumps closer to one another. Right now it looks like 1/2 spacing, which is extremely confusing.
6. 01:05:873 (1) - The second repeat of this slider is hidden under hitbursts.
7. 01:11:727 (1,2,3,4,5) - The accelerated spacing here doesn't really fit imo...
8. 01:48:129 (1) - Same as 00:48:861 -
9. 02:09:532 (6,7,1) - This looks very bad in-game (and even in the editor)... Try moving (6)'s end away or something
10. 02:28:556 (6,7) - Here again, make the anti-jumps closer to one another.
11. 02:32:215 (3,4,5,6,1) - This looks very bad in-game as well. On top of that, the circles are hidden under hitbursts and the slidertrack. And the second repeat of (1) is hidden under the hitbursts from the circles.

1. This is somehow easier than the Karen diff... But that's fine. I can't say I agree with some of the spacing, but they make sense and play fine, so everything's good on this diff.

1. Rename to ShikiEiki & cmn's Taiko Oni ?
2. This diff has a different preview point, which causes problems with the main menu and is unrankable. You can edit the .osu files to fix this.
3. This feels overmapped, even for a taiko. The sliderspeed is too low in the beginning, which makes the patterns very confusing and difficult to play. Also, since this is a collab, add SB'd names.

Odaril wrote:

Easy

1. 00:45:385 (3,5) - Very ugly overlap. On top of that, it hides the end of (5). You'll need to rearrange the pattern.
   fixed
2. 00:46:849 (5,2) - Here again, ugly overlap. :/
   fixed
3. 01:13:922 (4,7) - Add new combo to match the lyrics more and stay consistent with your previous comboing and the comboing after this.
   fixed
4. 01:49:410 (4,5,6,7,1) - I don't think you need so many notes here. It's rather difficult to play and doesn't follow the lyrics, while you've been following the lyrics all the time so far.
   fixed, reduce a note
5. 02:02:946 (2,1) - This spacing might throw off new players because (1) is too close to (2)'s end and it looks like they're 1/1 apart.
   fixed
6. 02:13:190 (5) - Add a new combo to cut the long combo.
   fixed
7. 02:41:727 (4,7) - Add new combo to match the lyrics more and stay consistent with your previous comboing.
   fixed

Normal

1. This is too hard for a Normal. There are too many 1/2 (most of them being only added beats...) and some patterns are too difficult or confusing. I can't really give you general advice on how to make it easier, but I can already suggest you reduce AR by 1 and made circles bigger. The difficulty needs some work though.
2. 00:16:483 (5,6,7) - This kind of added beat adds unnecessary difficulty: they match nothing in the song, and on top of that, they are 1/2, which might be difficult for a new player.
   fixed, some notes instead by sliders
3. 00:32:398 (3,4) - Same: they match nothing in the song and are only here for difficulty, especially in a stack.
   fixed
4. 00:38:068 (2,2) - Very bad overlap. The slidertrack is completely hidden, and the endpoint is hidden as well.
   fixed
5. 00:50:507 (3) - Here again, an unnecessary added beat. You could just delete this and extend the slider until this point. Moreover, I wouldn't suggest to stack notes under sliders in a Normal: due to the stacking, it looks bad in-game, and the timing is sometimes confusing.
   fixed
6. 00:57:824 (3,1,2,3) - The stacking makes the spacing wrong here. Unstack. Also, the second repeat of (3) is hidden by the hitbursts.
   fixed
7. 01:08:800 (5) - This makes absolutely no sense with the song and makes the pattern a lot more difficult than it should be.
   fixed
8. 01:10:995 (1,2,3) - Unnecessary and unfitting added beats in a very confusing and difficult to play pattern.
   fixed
9. 01:13:922 (4) - New combo to stay consitent in your comboing through the diff and the whole mapset.
   fixed
10. 01:47:032 (1,2,3,4) - Extremely confusingly placed unnecessary added beats. This starts on a red tick, which is very confusing, and doesn't even fit the song.
    fixed
11. 01:49:044 (3) - This circle is hidden under the slidertrack.
    fixed
12. 01:54:898 (3) - Why would you add an unnecessary 1/2 here when you've been following 1/1 rhythms for this part of the song all the time until then?
    fixed
13. 01:57:093 (2,4) - Same...
    fixed
14. 02:00:020 (2,2) - Same.
    fixed
15. 02:06:605 (4,1,2,3) - The stacking makes the spacing wrong.
    no, thanks. Since the lyric start at 02:07:702, I think the note(1) set here is reasonable.
16. 02:13:922 (2,3,4,5) - Same.
    no, thanks. Since the lyric end at 02:14:471, while here is a red line, if slider start at this point, it seems a little strange.
17. 02:16:849 (1) - The anti-jump is very confusing.
    fixed
18. 02:16:849 (1,2,3,4,5) - The spacing within this combo is inconsistent.
    fixed
19. 02:26:361 (3) - The second repeat of the slider is hidden under hitbursts.
    fixed
20. 02:36:605 (5) - Same extremely confusing repeat slider as 01:08:800 -
    fixed
21. 03:10:991 (1,2,3) - Stacking these is a bad idea, because the timing changes, and stacks make timing sometimes confusing. Unstack them.
    fixed

ShikiEiki & cmn's Taiko

1. Rename to ShikiEiki & cmn's Taiko Oni ?
   renamed. Since this diff all changed by me, the name is changed to Taiko Oni. But I think this taiko diff is easier than Oni.
   And ShikiEiki503624133' diff will be update later.
2. This diff has a different preview point, which causes problems with the main menu and is unrankable. You can edit the .osu files to fix this.
   fixed
3. This feels overmapped, even for a taiko. The sliderspeed is too low in the beginning, which makes the patterns very confusing and difficult to play. Also, since this is a collab, add SB'd names.
   fixed, reduce some notes

ShikiEiki503624133 wrote:

重新做的ONI 简单多了

Lesjuh wrote:

Compress the mp3 to 128kbps!

Do that, contact me and I'll bubble!

ShikiEiki503624133 wrote:

我只能这么说 这个图本来好好的 为什么一定要把一个ONI难度做的简单到玩一会儿就困了的难度呢 如果说OVERMAP 那拜托各位看看太鼓达人各种ONI的程度 我想我的图相比之下简单多了吧 原来被认为成特别难的第一版 给一些人玩一下就S了 然后开始开HIDDEN都很轻松 我想这样就可以了 现在改的简单到就最后才有稀稀少少的五连 还要加ONI 最后还弄成这个样子 违背了这个难度 我也觉得做的确实不好 所以我还是觉得删掉的好 某些人不知道太鼓是什么样子的 最好还是不要轻易评价ONI谱面要怎么怎么样 这样是对所有辛辛苦苦为了RANK的MAPPER的一种亵渎 一张图做不好会影响所有人 所以还是删了吧 我也对被我牵连的一些人说对不起 不过还是谢谢给心的人 不想翻译了

qihanzhang wrote:

:D

Akemi_Homura wrote:

8-)

Lissette wrote:

I keep hitting late, try offset: 72 (+12 to your first offset) but I'm not sure about the other ones, I suggest you to ask to a timing expert since i think after re-compressing your mp3 the offset changed
I asked Alace, and he think +12+8 is better.

Normal
02:16:901 (1) - i don't like this anti-jump in normal
fixed

Taiko Oni
00:54:938 - add note?
fixed
02:22:742 - ^
fixed

Star
thanks

qihanzhang wrote:

normal里00:38:128 (2) 往后有很多80%的clap、显得声音大了，easy里是70%还可以接受，在insane里这段是50%、、觉得还是50%比较好
01:01:543 (4)01:12:519 (1)的绿线，这个难度70%，另外两个60%、
最后几根红线那里，80%也大了，我是调整为第一条50%，然后40%。。递减
（话说为什么这个难度的音量这么大？）
easy和normal的音量我都大面积的改了。。。真是个大工程

edit:我还觉得insane最后的滑条速度还是快了、、最后的红线BPM改成70.25，然后用一倍速
这个还好啦~

Lissette wrote:

Check your offsets, aren't the same in all difficulties. The first one is ok.

Lissette wrote:

Sorry i keep finding little things

crop the unnecessary transparency to the images of the SB and fullsubmit

fullsubmitted

no kudos, poke me after fixing plz

lepidopodus wrote:

Several modders pointed out that Taiko diff is still overmapped, but you guys end up ignoring this. Huh, Have you ever thought about why everyone is saying that this Taiko map is overmapped?