Oh right, might as well answer that questionnaire from earlier:

[b]1) What is your preferred/ favorite role and why?[/b] Either vanilla townie or mafia. Townie because you can go all out without worrying about being nightkilled, and mafia because lying is fun :)
2) [b]Would you lynch lurkers?[/b] It depends on the situation. In big games where one can afford a few mislynches then I'm ok with cutting the fat so long as there's not much else to go on, but in smaller games like these it's a lot more risky.
3) [b]In lynching people, do you use your gut mostly, or do you analyze the situation?[/b] I find that I sometimes have trouble distiguishing the line
4) Do you believe in the usage of meta? (Basically using other games as a reference) Helps build character upon later games but usually it's not that important.

0_o, you answered that like pages ago >_>

DeathxShinigami wrote:

Why the hell don't you target someone else if you're not mafia then?

Because he's so certain that you are mafia and NoHItter indeed FoSed 0_o as well until 0_o defenced it back. Why don't you try to defence instead?

And I'm still getting a feel of bandwagon from your post because...
1. you did not HoS before voting (you were able to post before the lynch)
2. Your reasoning was loose ("The reasoning on rust may be very vague but right now considering with all of the time left", "his posts urk me anyways")

If you were unsure with your vote, you should have HoSed and waited for other's (or even rust45) to post their opinions. You always seem to be a bit in a rush whenever you vote :<


HoS on DxS (I told you, I'm going to play fair and not biased)

.....what?? I didn't post those. I actually have no idea what happened there.

Kill town = GJ

Just guessing that mafia is a combo of

0_o + Player Q
0_o + bmin
bmin + Player Q

if NoHItter's statement is true.

DxS wrote:

if NoHItter's statement is true.

Hey, you left your self out
And it's pretty obvious we would have a combination of bmin11, 0_o, and Q as possible mafias if you exclude you and NoHItter out >_>;;

Why should I include myself if I don't see myself as mafia?

it doesn't matter anyways if you guys want to lynch me or if mafia wants to kill me.

I won't be winning the game anyways no matter what alignment I am.

End of story.

DeathxShinigami wrote:

Why should I include myself if I don't see myself as mafia?

it doesn't matter anyways if you guys want to lynch me or if mafia wants to kill me.

I won't be winning the game anyways no matter what alignment I am.

End of story.

......... being a defeatist is not the right choice and I thought you learnt this on your last game.....
And my last post isn't suppose to be serious at all. Just pointing out that you were saying the obvious >_>;;;;;;;

Defeatist doesn't mean that whoevers side I belong to loses. I'm just saying it's useless to jump onto every little detail onto my post.

But hey, I had a good run in newbie mafia.

okay 25 hour bump

Wanna kill me mafia?

........you still haven't said anything about your hasty vote...... there must be a reason why you voted without HoSing.......


And I'll be on a flight to S.Korea for the next 24 hours

I just found out the next 24+@ hours are my last hours before the dead line. May we get an extension since it's an important lynch that would require everyone's vote (lylo state) ?

I was away all yesterday and I have a final to study for today... so I would be in favour of an extension as well, if possible.

Sigh. Frankly I'm getting bored with this topic already, so I'm going to gambit. (If Town loses because of this, then sorry)
I'm going to place a vote on someone I think is scum. If there are no two consecutive votes for a hammer, then that means one of two things.
1) I'm scum.
2) The one I voted is scum.
(Well there is a third option that we're both scum, but it's too much WIFOM)
With this there is a 1/2 chance I hit scum correctly.

Quaraezha: I have no read on him. he doesn't post often and all his posts are in agreement to what others say. Neutral.
DeathxShinigami: I've already said my reasoning on him as to why I think he's scummy, but his recent posts seem to tell me that he's frustrated town. Neutral.
0_o: Replaced iMuffin and gives content. There's the issue of the dichotomy on Day 2, but explained it. Neutral.
bmin11: Townie feel. Lots of good content. Town.

Vote: Quaraezha
/me hopes gambit worked.

Interesting.

Well I think we are safe for now at least, the only way we lost is if both DxS and bmin are mafia, and I think bmin is a pretty clear town player (though if you aren't then seriously, bravo, you deserve to win this).

So assuming we haven't just lost, the following combinations are NOT mafia:
0_o + DxS
bmin + DxS
bmin + 0_o

I have some other things to say but I would like to hear what the rest of you think of this situation first.

Hunch on bmin's town

Leaves 3 others not including myself.

Will he die at night then mafia?

Will I get lynched?

Will we lose 2 towns if that happens?

Running some possibilities. Been wrong before though so really "anything can happen"

Leaning towards a more likely vote on Player Q or NoHItter however.

By the fact that there have been no other votes on Quaraezha by 0_o and DxS, it means my gambit paid off.
Either me or Quaraezha is mafia.
(Although I'm pretty sure Quaraezha is.)

I would really like to hear what Q has to say.

Quaraezha wrote:

It's a gamble, I'm not quite sure what else to say to defend myself. lol
Well I'm pretty sure I'm not Mafia, I'm not sure if I should vote for NoHItter because of this gambit thing and how he probably was hoping everyone else would bandwagon with it. But meh, it is gambit.

The fact that no one jumped on you means that one of us is scum.
Remember that one cannot unvote in this game - meaning that if town voted town, scum could easily bandwagon on the townie who got voted without the worry of the original voter unvoting.

Q wrote:

Maybe they're just inactive atm (?)

You saying me and 0_o are mafia?

Q wrote:

they haven't thought of that plan yet, iunno.

NoHItter wrote:

If we mislynch today, it will be Ly-Lo tomorrow if the Mafia successfully kill. That would leave it to 3 town : 2 mafia.
At that point, I would suggest that town not vote anyone yet. Wait until there is a solid and general consensus. If by any chance, any one town submits a vote on a fellow townie, the mafia will just bandwagon to win.

I see no reasons for holding my vote off at this stage. Q or NoHItter is clearly mafia and I would say, a mafia wouldn't have done the gamble. Thus, NoHItter would likely be a townie. This does not require more then common sense :<


Vote: Quaraezha

Alrighty then.

Well both of your responses to this seem quite fishy to me:
-If I were in this situation I probably would be saying something something along the lines of "GUYS, X IS DEFINITELY MAFIA, VOTE FOR HIM OR WE'LL LOSE AUHFLADJHALKSHF". NoHItter just doesn't seem to be reacting to the information that Q is 100% mafia with much urgency at all, which, seeing as it's lylo does not seem townlike (please comment on this point though guys, I'm comparing it to how I would react but I'm not 100% sure that reflects how any townie would react.)
-Q seems reluctant to vote NoHItter even though it should be obvious to him that No is definitely mafia. He could just be a naive townie, but it could also could mean that Q is mafia and the fact that he should be sure No is mafia evades him since he has trouble putting himself into town shoes. OR, he is trying to protect his partner by not voting for him.

So yeah, not sure what to think atm. I think there's a decent possibility that both of them are mafia, but either way we gotta vote for one of 'em.

woahhh what now?

bmin wrote:

I see no reasons for holding my vote off at this stage. Q or NoHItter is clearly mafia and I would say, a mafia wouldn't have done the gamble. Thus, NoHItter would likely be a townie. This does not require more then common sense :<


Vote: Quaraezha

Why wouldn't a mafioso have done the gamble? It wouldn't have even been a gamble for the mafia - they already know who's town and who isn't.

Pleeeeease let me be wrong about DxS + No...

0_o wrote:

woahhh what now?

bmin wrote:

I see no reasons for holding my vote off at this stage. Q or NoHItter is clearly mafia and I would say, a mafia wouldn't have done the gamble. Thus, NoHItter would likely be a townie. This does not require more then common sense :<


Vote: Quaraezha

Why wouldn't a mafioso have done the gamble? It wouldn't have even been a gamble for the mafia - they already know who's town and who isn't.

Pleeeeease let me be wrong about DxS + No...

Because the mafia could have just waited for the vote or have no lynch. Either way was mafia's victory road. I don't see how the mafia would want to take the risk. Of course, I'm not saying NoHItter would not be mafia when Q happens to be mafia, but clearly one or other is a mafia in this case. You may vote for NoHItter if you have doubt on him or think Q is a townie, but I thought Q was the likelier one and I voted on him



fuuuuuuu you are right how did I not see that dinvownvjmwimwilm shouldn't have played my vote right after I arrived from my flight orz


It's up to you guys now... Sorry...

I'm not mafia.
If you're wondering about my "underreaction", I'm always like this.
You can check my more recent meta in MafiaScum. Although in that situation I was town and the mafia was false-claiming Cop and a guilty investigated on me in Ly-Lo. I'll be happy to give links.
(Ah crap I can't believe that I'm betraying my "don't use meta" answer, but it's kind of lose or delay the game now.)

I want to hear from DxS before making my final decision.

This game is making me uneasy.

I won't say anything else.

Hints in hidden text? Nah...

So it seems it comes down to me though?

Unfortunately I'm going to do this.

Vote: Quaraezha

I would like to think that NoHItter is still also mafia but now all of the evidence we have now seems to be more towards Player Q if anything and either way I bet 0_o wouldn't vote for NoHItter either this late into the game so...

Also, hi Ph0x

Vote Count:

Who cares, it should be obvious and I'm too lazy (1) - LadySuburu


You were tired of this nonsense, and decided it was time to get it over with. As you were preparing to pool together your votes, NoHItter walked over to the box and deposited a vote.

"I vote for Quaraezha. I'm taking a chance here, but I'm sure he's mafia."

Time passed, it seemed forever before someone else spoke up.

"...I guess Quaraezha seems like he'd be a member of the mafia."

More time passed.

"I hate to do this, but Quaraezha has to go."

Quaraezha begins freaking out, he runs at NoHItter, intent to kill from his eyes. Right before he makes it to him however, a gunshot is heard. Quaraezha drops dead to the floor, and the same men who came in the last two times take the body away.

"It seems you guys actually made the right choice this time. We just obtained intel linking Quaraezha to the murders. You just might have made the right choice this time."

Quaraezha - Mafia Goon - Lynched Day 3.

It is now night 3. You know the drill.

You wake to find NoHItter's dead body, sitting against the wall. Nothing gruesome, just a boring death. How lame.

NoHItter - Townie - Killed N3.

It is now Day 4. With 3 alive, it's 2 to lynch. Deadline is in two days.

Judging all of this by timezones I have came to conclude that 0_o is the remaining mafia due to the time between Night 3 and Day 4 as towns could not send actions and night 3 would end depending on when the remaining mafia would send his action.

Holding my vote so at least everyone can say something before we make a vote.

...woah. That was unexpected.

EDIT: oh that's how you're playing it. I see.

Well I'm actually writing an exam in 15 minutes so I don't have time to go into details, but it looks like this is gonna be a DxS vs. 0_o showdown with bmin breaking the tie. Don't do anything drastic til I get back?

Alright here we go. I was going to vote Q yesterday, and here's why:
Here are the possible mafia combinations after No's gambit on Q:
No + 0_o
No + DxS
No + Q
No + bmin
Q + 0_o
Q + DxS
Q + bmin

Then bmin's vote for Q eliminated the possibility of No + DxS and No + 0_o, since one of us would have hammered and won. This left:
No + Q
No + bmin
Q + 0_o
Q + DxS
Q + bmin

Thus the only possible way Q wasn't scum is if No + bmin were together, and my strong hunch on bmin being town left the conclusion that Q was almost definitely mafia. I only waited for DxS to show up before hammering so we could have a solid idea of where everyone stood on the final day.

Now I was fully expecting bmin to be NKed tonight since he has been considered town by pretty much everyone. NoHItter, DxS and I have been pointing suspicion at eachother for the entire second half of the game, wouldn't having the three of us in the final have been a better situation than having a practically confirmed townie? The only reason I can think of that he would keep bmin around is that he thinks he can use his relationship with him as leverage.

No matter the reason, I simply cannot see myself being convinced of bmin's guilt at this point. So bmin, if you are the mafia then again, congrats, you deserved it.

vote DxS

0_o wrote:

vote DxS

Mafia games end when there's no possible way (other than purposeful mafia suicide) the town can win. Unvoting is impossible. So of course, you know what this post means.

-----------------------------

"Based on my calculations, DxS must be the mafia!"

As 0_o went forward and voted, some masked men came into the room. At that point, bmin's face lit up with joy.

"You guys made it! They managed to get Q, but not me."

DxS and 0_o tried to run, but were both shot before they could escape.

bmin went on to enjoy a happy life as a rich mafia member... until his next adventure.

DxS and 0_o - Townies - Killed endgame.

bmin11 - Mafia Roleblocker - wins!

Mod Notes (more to come eventually?):

1. bmin's play was superb. I saw just two potential mistakes that I could notice at a glance.

a. bmin's first post D2. Almost gave away that he knew there was a doctor. Also funny since he roleblocked animask, who happened to protect Ph0x that night.

b. Voting Q so early on D3. It would've been possible to win on D3 assuming the vote didn't sway to DxS. However, this also solidified bmin's position as town in people's minds, so it may have been intentional.


2. I like the no-unvoting mechanic, but at least one player didn't. I would like to hear feedback from other players.

Welp! Nice play, bmin.

Not bad. I actually secretly suspected him a lot, since the Doctor thing.

I had no comebacks or any way of getting anyone to vote for him.

I didn't want to run on low sus(s), because of the risk.

I tried to protect him on the last NK, because I knew I would get NK'd anyways.
(jk, I just didn't know who was really mafia)

Being Mafia sounds easier D: I would've won too if I was actually mafia.

so obvious

bmin's superb playing style...Just WOW

Of course I'm always dogged by back and forth accusations so heh...(FUUUUUUUUU Day 1)

GG everyone.

See you in the future mafia games~

LadySuburu wrote:

2. I like the no-unvoting mechanic, but at least one player didn't. I would like to hear feedback from other players.

I'd like to note that this allowed for one interesting play which wasn't even considered at LyLo:

You don't need to hammer to win as Mafia at LyLo; with just two votes you have a super-high chance of winning, and NoHItter could have been using this to his advantage (if he was Mafia). Sadly, he wasn't Mafia, so the neat little plan (which no one, again, even considered) wasn't executed.

No-votes kinda ruined day 1, though.

Also, NoHItter, 0_o, and DxS (all townies) should have noticed the signs that neither Q nor bmin talked much at all at LyLo either day. C'mon; lurking end-game is classic scum behaviour!

I wasn't really playing the game after I died (just reading and not re-reading, building a suspicion list, etc.), but if I did, I'd prolly catch a lot of things that happened. Throughout Day 3 I was pretty sure NoHItter was executing that plan I spoke of, so I thought he was Mafia.

animask wrote:

Being Mafia sounds easier D: I would've won too if I was actually mafia.

Holy crap no. Unless you're bipolar.

I'll post my opinions of each player later. At work now. =X

Two wrote:

so obvious

oh you

I'm not gonna go on about how I should have seen the signs and whatnot, I was stuck enough in the mindset that bmin is town that I wouldn't have been able to vote him over DxS no matter how carefully I checked things over. He played well and got us good. Good game guys.

Kudos to bmin for that game.

Hey lets not leave Q out either, he did a pretty good job at staying under the radar. If it wasn't for No's gambit he probably would have made it to the end too.

Next time, Gadget...

NEXT TIIIIIIIIIIIME

EDIT: Also, I liked the no-unvoting mechanic. Nice twist on the classic mafia format.

Also, NoHItter, 0_o, and DxS (all townies) should have noticed the signs that neither Q nor bmin talked much at all at LyLo either day. C'mon; lurking end-game is classic scum behaviour!

I was on a flight x: (took 26 hours woah)

Ph0X wrote:

so the neat little plan (which no one, again, even considered) wasn't executed.

We were thinking about that, but Q being a lurker made it really risky since he was an easy target to be bandwagoned ;ㅅ;



I expected to be a townie when I sighed up since this was my first time. However, LS went to sign two noobs to be the mafia >_> We were extreamly lucky if we consider Mashley's death + animask's partialy role-claiming. Well, it was part of the game and I enjoyed you guys coming up with suspicions and evidence to back it up.

My regret during this game was to kill Ph0X. Funny how I was so determinded to kill Ph0X on D1, but after doing so, rest of the days weren't as fun as D1 :<... He would have figured Q or me out at one point, but I learnt it was better to have some suspenses around >_>



Guys, it was a great game and I'm hoping to play another mafia games with you guys



EDIT: I also enjoyed the No-Unvote system. It gives some extra strategy for both mafias and townies. I also liked how voting was weighed heavily :>

bmin11 wrote:

Also, NoHItter, 0_o, and DxS (all townies) should have noticed the signs that neither Q nor bmin talked much at all at LyLo either day. C'mon; lurking end-game is classic scum behaviour!

I was on a flight x: (took 26 hours woah)

This, and Q was lurking the whole game before that anyway. I honestly just thought Q was a clueless townie until the gambit.

Should have said my gut that bmin was mafia.
After my vote and bmin's reaction of "Sorry I shouldn't have voted", bmin pinged me as scum.
At least I'm glad that my gut finally worked on Quaraezha.
See Ph0x? Inactive people will usually be mafia

Just wondering though, did you guys not wonder why bmin11 was still alive and not Nightkilled until the end?
I was just thinking though, in town's perspective.

The thought did cross my mind. However since DxS and bmin have a connection outside the game, and DxS is just such a weird player, at the time I could kind of see DxS keeping him around for some reason that only he would understand. If it was NoHItter instead of DxS I might have been more skeptical, but then again it's all hindsight it's difficult to say for sure.

The timezone thing that DxS mentioned threw me for a loop too, since I didn't see bmin online around the time of the night ending.

0_o wrote:

The thought did cross my mind. However since DxS and bmin have a connection outside the game, and DxS is just such a weird player, at the time I could kind of see DxS keeping him around for some reason that only he would understand. If it was NoHItter instead of DxS I might have been more skeptical, but then again it's all hindsight it's difficult to say for sure.

I did let DxS survive the last night due to that reason. I often saw DxS dying off at D1 or D2. I just wanted him to see the ending >_>
And killing 0_o would have made myself look weird for the same reason, so I just killed NoHItter (apperantly, he had a hinch of a scumtell from me. Good kill for me)

0_o wrote:

The timezone thing that DxS mentioned threw me for a loop too, since I didn't see bmin online around the time of the night ending

Aha! That actually worked! I made my action on 2:00 AM and logged off as I saw the end of the night (animask was on at the time being)

Glad things turned out well

This was me and Q's reasoning for Night Kills

NK1: Ph0X - To kill the biggest threat. Whatelse?
NK2: animask - A confirmed townie (Doctor). No good for mafias
NK3: NoHItter - His eagle sight...... could have been a threat (and apperantly, he did suspected me). Killing anyone else would have made me look weird as well



And by the way, is this supporter tag a prize for winning? I haven't received any PM of who gave it for me

Well uh

@bmin

You kept chasing me about the Day1 action I made and I couldn't erase it from all of you so from there I knew it'd be impossible to tie you as mafia so mentally I labeled you as town. Nice way to trap me yet still make me seem mafia at the same time. I do thank you however for continuing to save me from being NK'd though. Unless you knew that I could never make enough of an effort to get a vote on you...Eh....

GG.

subscription what? You probably just got lucky

I'd have gotten him if you guys hadn't lynched me lololol

Mashley wrote:

I'd have gotten him if you guys hadn't lynched me lololol

Again, I was one lucky bastard this game lololol Cop + Doctor + Master brain were dead on first night lol

Per-player comments:

0_o
Played pretty well. Seemed to distance himself a bit from gameplay. Too bad he missed all of day 1; I think he would have been a key player there, based on my knowledge of his metaplay.

animask
Pretty noobish play early on. Reminded me of my first game. You did better day 2, and gained town support (in part due to me and bmin) enough to get a "verified townie" label (which is great and horrible at the same time). If the cop had been alive D2, you could have protected yourself, ensuring either the cop gets an investigation or you stay alive. (Maybe a doctor can't protect themself in NM? Can't recall.)

bmin
Well played, as others have said. Definitely thought you were townie early on. You leaning toward my opinion (which became the town opinion) was suspicious. You cornered 0_o, which surprised me (as I see 0_o as a more experienced and open-minded player). You're a natural player, to say the least. ;P

DxS
Try being more comprehensible next time. Re-read your posts, twice, with a few minutes between reads. I had suspected at first this confusing behaviour was intentional (and scummy), but it seems like you're always like that. So... try to improve, please.

Mashley
Great defense day 1! Not. I guess it's not entirely your fault, but the vote definitely could have been swayed toward animask if everyone didn't jump on your bandwagon and if you had posed a better defense.

NoHItter
I kept having tunnel vision against you, and I couldn't find out why. I should clear my mind every once in a while and review things from scratch. (Maybe looking more into the ISO? Not quite sure what will help the most yet.)

You made a nice gambit (though with flaws that I mentioned), which happily worked (but not for long). Nice play there. =]

Ph0X
As I said, less tunnel vision on hunches. Sucks that I died day 1; people seemed to like me. Honestly, I don't think the town needed me; they did pretty well regardless. However, I couldn't make some comments about the animask-bmin-doctor thing which would have really helped discussion (and perhaps finding out bmin; who knows?), and I couldn't point out problems with NoHItter's plan and the lurkiness of Q and bmin late game.

Q
You creep me out. I had a feeling you were mafia for a while, but I ignored it, because I made a mistake of thinking someone was mafia for similar reasons in another game and I was wrong. Guess that's a null tell, then. ;P

rust45
No clue. Participate more. Please. =[