Do you use z/x or the mouse?

blacklotus90

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blacklotus90 2007-12-28T06:08:11+00:00

We were having a sort of debate in osu chat today about using the z/x keys rather than mouse buttons. It seemed that the general opinion was that nobody in the top 25 or even top 50 really clicked anymore. I wanted to get a feel for how many users prefer the mouse or the keyboard, and some reasons why. I personally think it's impossible to do some insane maps without z/x, you can only click so fast when you're also moving your mouse...

Just for those who are new to osu, you can use the z/x keys on your keyboard instead of the left/right mouse buttons

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EiJi 2007-12-28T09:28:15+00:00

Keyboard of course. Main reasons why it's better:

1) you can 'click' faster and more accurately by using keyboard. Clicking too fast with your mouse will result in your movement being affected.

2) Just think about it this way: If you use your mouse, you're making that hand do twice the work it should have to by clicking AND moving. It's a no brainer that by splitting movement and clicking that your performance is going to increase notably.

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awp 2007-12-28T16:53:08+00:00

I use a tablet pen and largely prefer to use the tablet pen tapping exclusively if I can. I can hit quarter-beat note streams fairly accurately on songs under 150bpm I think, but during some messes I alternate pen taps with Ctrl - that's right screw z/x I am hardcore and different and use ctrl + pen. 95% of the time I am using just pen taps but that other 5% see the introduction of Ctrl with my left index finger.

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hunnykilla 2007-12-28T20:21:36+00:00

I use my mouse and then z/x on parts where i cant click fast enough.

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rtsmarty 2007-12-28T23:16:02+00:00

I didn't even know you could use the keyboard. :[ That explains... quite a lot.

So naturally I click. Well I got a tablet for xmas so now I use that but I still don't use the keyboard anyway.

When I used my mouse I'd use both mouse buttons for rapid click sections but never the keyboard (...because I didn't know about it)!

I wish I knew about the keyboard thing... would've made it so much easier. :[

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Cecilthemos 2007-12-28T23:58:04+00:00

I use the mouse, it feels so awkward using the keyboard, for streams like in wizards in winter, I alternate on right and left, and I can still get them fairly accurately.

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Saturos 2007-12-29T05:03:33+00:00

I click.

A lot.

Only left-click, as well. With exception to stacks that are either too long/painful to do with left-click alone.

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Upsilon_old 2007-12-29T19:46:28+00:00

I started using Z/X as soon as it was implemented. Not only does it improve performance, but it spreads out the wear and tear onto both hands. Clicking and moving with the same hand is painful after a while.

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Surge_old 2007-12-29T21:45:12+00:00

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Loginer 2007-12-30T05:15:43+00:00

Z and X are evil, so I use the mouse. Feels so weird using the keyboard. :/

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EiJi 2007-12-30T09:37:03+00:00

This is rather surprising...

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Survivor_old 2008-01-07T17:49:04+00:00

I only use the z/x for INSANE click-a-tons, but even then, I mostly use the 2 mouse buttons, because I use both hands on the mouse to help stability, and leaving only one hand to fend himself in the beatmap feels awkward.

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wiicademan 2008-01-08T01:16:24+00:00

I just think it feels wierd to use the keyboard. When one hand's moving the mouse and the other is tapping, it feels awkward and dis-orientating to me.

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chan 2008-01-08T04:09:43+00:00

Thanks to my awkward desktop setup, my left hand usually holds my mouse cord to prevent it from catching on the keyboard. When the cord catches, the mouse movement suddenly (without warning) is restricted in an unusual fashion. Keeps you on your feet, but for the most part, annoying.

So I've never used the keyboard for osu!, to answer the topic. This may explain my poor ranking, but I'm afraid it might not.

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nvrslep303 2008-01-08T07:25:53+00:00

Wow, I did not know that you could use z/x. Now that I've tried using them, I find that my left hand is not strong/fast enough to push both buttons on extremely fast parts. I'm trying to get used to left clicking/x, but it might take a while to adjust. What I usually did was just move from left clicking to right clicking with my right hand and left with my left.

If it wasn't for seeing this topic, I would not of learned this

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Level-Up! 2008-01-08T14:08:02+00:00

I use a tablet, makes spinners really damn easy.

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awp 2008-01-08T17:25:16+00:00

Yes it does. Amen to that.

Though, to go off topic, the tablet (or at least me using one) comes with its own package of difficulties. I can never get a consistently comfortable grip, and my hand needs to stay resting on my tablet for the most part, which makes hitting the bottom right corner VERY difficult.

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Survivor_old 2008-01-08T23:41:21+00:00

Well, I guess that's good. There's no way to properly cheat using a tablet.

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Saturos 2008-01-08T23:44:50+00:00

Though, to go off topic, the tablet (or at least me using one) comes with its own package of difficulties. I can never get a consistently comfortable grip, and my hand needs to stay resting on my tablet for the most part, which makes hitting the bottom right corner VERY difficult.

I actually have the same trouble with my mouse. My wrist rests on the pad and I just pivot from there...which leads to some painful cramps and I often miss beats because my hand is out of whack and I need to readjust. I've tried playing without resting my wrist, but I just end up with my wrist back down on the pad a few seconds in, anyway.

300 300 300 300 300 X 300 Esc Retry.

[18:22] <BanchoBot> Saturos has moved up to place #0 in the top 10!
[02:40] <awpkun> I love suckin' ass~
[01:19] <Rolled> maaaaan luigi im sucking 6 in a row here

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Survivor_old 2008-01-12T04:29:01+00:00

Saturos wrote:
Though, to go off topic, the tablet (or at least me using one) comes with its own package of difficulties. I can never get a consistently comfortable grip, and my hand needs to stay resting on my tablet for the most part, which makes hitting the bottom right corner VERY difficult.
I actually have the same trouble with my mouse. My wrist rests on the pad and I just pivot from there...which leads to some painful cramps and I often miss beats because my hand is out of whack and I need to readjust. I've tried playing without resting my wrist, but I just end up with my wrist back down on the pad a few seconds in, anyway.

I do the same, but I have my two hands on the mouse, it really helps with stability, but I always get messed up when there's a segment right after a spinner, because I have no time to adjust from the spinner, and I end up uncomfortably with only half of my hand on the mouse and trying to find a good way to place my other hand on it, while clicking away.

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Slain087 2008-01-30T04:40:51+00:00

Huh... I had no idea you could use the keyboard, or even the right mouse button. Yea, I've been left-clicking this entire time (and doing pretty well at it too for a newb!). About the only difficulties I have is the small space in which I have to move my Bluetooth mouse - excellent for spinners, okay for tight areas, horrible for quick movement (Still Alive, anyone?). However, I downright suck when I have to use a larger area for some reason - my hand keeps catching on nonexistent items, and my spinning gets out of whack.

I'll have to give the other methods a try later on. When I have a chance to put my laptop down on solid plastic for the monitor hookup and my Bluetooth items are gtg.

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altruisticcrono 2008-06-02T01:42:39+00:00

Saturos wrote:
I click.

A lot.

Only left-click, as well. With exception to stacks that are either too long/painful to do with left-click alone.

This surprised me. I was almost for certain you used the keyboard.

I've been using the keyboard all along except for the first couple of days. One of Peppy's quick tips let me know I could use Z/X... and I've been using them all the time now. Quick sliders and large areas sometimes mess me up when X is half pressed.