Sounds pretty nice and thocky.Penguin wrote:
my mic has really bad reverb
I bet it'll sound even better with SA caps on.
Although, why is the video in my name?
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I bet it'll sound even better with SA caps on.
Although, why is the video in my name?
yeah, I really want to get a nice set of SA keycaps for that reason. They would probably look silly on my raised switch board, but I don't really care.Tad Fibonacci wrote:
Sounds pretty nice and thocky.
I bet it'll sound even better with SA caps on.
:^)Tad Fibonacci wrote:
Although, why is the video in my name?
and now the keyboard you were waiting for. The Omnitech Flexible Keyboard
abraker, you forgot to clean your boogers off the desk..
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Oh god. What cursed being have you bring to this land?abraker wrote:
and now the keyboard you were waiting for. The Omnitech Flexible Keyboard
Please Lord have mercy upon my soul.
On to the review:
Aesthetics: It has the same aesthetics of a water balloon, or a condom. It's up to you to decide if that's good or not.
Build quality: What fucking build quality? From the pictures, I'm guessing that it's a membrane inside of a rubber condom. Although, I guess it'll be quite tough since there isn't really anything to break.
So, for build quality, I'll give it a "Actually, surprisingly tough. But at what cost?"
Switches: Yeah, if you think a rubber dome keyboard was bad, then imagine typing on this piece of dogshit. Surprisingly, I have actually seen a board that is just like this but had a different color and as you'd expect, the key feel is fucking trash. It's like pressing on dense rubber nipples. Just imagine having to write an essay with that thing.
The only saving grace of this keyboard that I can think of is that it's quite a tough motherfucker since there isn't really anything to break. Although shit, I still can think of a purpose for it. For example, in industrial environments where there are lots of dirt, dust and debris, this board would work really fine. And since it's covered by a condom, it should be water proof as well. It can also be cleaned quite easily, just run tab water on the fucking thing.
2/10
Edi: Also, I've edited Axl's keyboard's score since I don't think it deserves to be that low and certainly don't deserve to have to same ranking as this piece of shit.
yoo, this is my pc LMFAOCorne2Plum3 wrote:
This isn't my exact laptop but the keyboard look like this:
I have now achieved both the highest and lowest rating lmao
@penguin that's no booger. That's an onion.
@penguin that's no booger. That's an onion.
damn it abraker, you stole my place as having the lowest ranking keyboard
This is definitely not a good gaming keyboard but it's a lot better than my laptop keyboard. It's a Logitech K120 that I remembered was festering in the back of my closet. I haven't really modified it in any way.
Here's what the keyboard sounds like.
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Looks like a generic rubber dome keyboard to me.ghoulybits wrote:
This is definitely not a good gaming keyboard but it's a lot better than my laptop keyboard. It's a Logitech K120 that I remembered was festering in the back of my closet. I haven't really modified it in any way.
Here's what the keyboard sounds like.
It sounds pretty loud for a rubber dome though, and it's pretty rattly too.
The shape of the case is pretty ugly also.
3/10
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I think that's a fair score for them.Penguin wrote:
rubberdome and fake gaming keyboards = 3/10
Although I'm sure some are better than others, I can't really go and feel each individual board to rank them higher or lower than each other.
So I based this score ranking on a generic rubber dome keyboard since that would be the score that I'd rank them at most of the time.
So since this way of ranking is inherently flawed, though idk how else I'd rank boards and give a fair score without trying them out for myself. So don't feel bad if I rank your score lower than what you expect your board to be at.
Afterall, it's only my opinion and that isn't absolute either. I'm wrong about things all the time and my opinion about things do change through time as well.
And whether a keyboard is good for you or not largely depends on you, your taste and bias so my opinion shouldn't matter too much.
I found a picture of my first mech keyboard I bought back in 2014. Unfortunately, I spilled water on it a few years ago and it died. It was a great keyboard while it lasted. It was also extremely crusty because I rarely cleaned it in the 5+ years I owned it.
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Oh yeah, I had the same keyboard but with Cherry MX blues instead lol.Penguin wrote:
I found a picture of my first mech keyboard I bought back in 2014. Unfortunately, I spilled water on it a few years ago and it died. It was a great keyboard while it lasted. It was also extremely crusty because I rarely cleaned it in the 5+ years I owned it.
I loved that keyboard layout.
I still have it actually and it still works. Though the N key doesn't register half of the time.
i am 100% sure if i present my keyboards i would get absolutely annihilated.
cuz man i got one of those stupid ass flexible keyboard that got the p key broken from my dog so i had to use tissue and rugby to get that fixed up... kind of
and the rest of my keyboards are literally sorta flat
edit: realized i made a mistake plus forgot to put whatthefuck i edited, hooray
cuz man i got one of those stupid ass flexible keyboard that got the p key broken from my dog so i had to use tissue and rugby to get that fixed up... kind of
and the rest of my keyboards are literally sorta flat
edit: realized i made a mistake plus forgot to put whatthefuck i edited, hooray
post it plspentaqola wrote:
i am 100% sure if i present my keyboards i would get absolutely annihilated.
cuz man i got one of those stupid ass flexible keyboard that got the p key broken from my dog so i had to use tissue and rugby to get that fixed up... kind of
and the rest of my keyboards are literally sorta flat
Penguin wrote:
post it plspentaqola wrote:
i am 100% sure if i present my keyboards i would get absolutely annihilated.
cuz man i got one of those stupid ass flexible keyboard that got the p key broken from my dog so i had to use tissue and rugby to get that fixed up... kind of
and the rest of my keyboards are literally sorta flat
here you go... in all of its unholy glory at my kitchen
the rest will have to wait cuz i don't have time to take images of them, plus my place might have a blackout at 6 am for twelve hours
lMAO DEADASS-
its just missing the number pads, plus the p key is practically looking like an arm with a cast on it
i did however somehow manage to play platformer games with that thing, gotta say my arms feel fucked after using it
its just missing the number pads, plus the p key is practically looking like an arm with a cast on it
i did however somehow manage to play platformer games with that thing, gotta say my arms feel fucked after using it
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I was tired so I didn't wrote a review on this board when I saw it so I'm gonna do it now.Penguin wrote:
I found a picture of my first mech keyboard I bought back in 2014. Unfortunately, I spilled water on it a few years ago and it died. It was a great keyboard while it lasted. It was also extremely crusty because I rarely cleaned it in the 5+ years I owned it.
Overall aesthetics: It looks pretty try hard and gamery. Although I really like the layout of this keyboard. It makes the board looks quite nice and it's a very usable layout. It's also very reminiscent of the old AT keyboard layout and since I love the vintage aesthetics, I really like this layout.
Build quality: Pretty standard. Metal mounting plate with a plastic case. Nothing too spectacular.
Switches: Cherry MX reds have a pretty nice light weighting. However, I find it to be too light for myself since I get a lot of typos using them.
Tbh, cherry switches are pretty mediocre and overpriced. For linears, Gaterons are much better, smoother and Gateron yellows comes with a better mid weight weighting as well, so I'd much rather having other kinds of switch other than Cherries on this board.
Keycaps: The keycaps on this board are lasered ABS so they're not very durable and they'd wear pretty quickly. Not to mention those kinds of caps attracts dirt and dust like crazy so the board would look pretty disgusting pretty quick. They also use a hideous font to boot.
I'd definitely swap out the keycaps on this board.
I actually have this board myself but with Cherry MX blues instead.
Maybe one day, I'll swap out the Cherry blues for like Kailh BOX jades or something since I really like the layout of this keyboard.
I'll give it a 5.5/10.
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Congratulations, you've managed to beat abraker's score for the worst keyboard here.pentaqola wrote:
here you go... in all of its unholy glory at my kitchen
the rest will have to wait cuz i don't have time to take images of them, plus my place might have a blackout at 6 am for twelve hours
It's the fucking same keyboard but I think it's missing lock lights since I don't see them anywhere. I might be wrong and it might actually have lock lights though.
It also has arguably a worst layout than abraker's board, being a 75% instead of a full size.
1.8/10
Edi: Also, I'm surprised you're able to play any kind of video games on that thing. Honestly, that's quite impressive. Props to you Penta.
Damn now I need to beat that somehow
salvador dali's keyboardPenguin wrote:
abraker has a nearly identical keyboard lmao
i just noticed the cd-r king logo on the left - that already speaks a lot on the shit quality of that keyboard.pentaqola wrote:
here you go... in all of its unholy glory at my kitchen
the rest will have to wait cuz i don't have time to take images of them, plus my place might have a blackout at 6 am for twelve hours
i remember buying a pair 20 peso (around 0.5 USD) earphones from there since I didn't have much at the time. It broke within a week or two lol
so this is what a pro ctb player's keyboard looks likeNikolai wrote:
yesHydreigon wrote:
so this is what a pro ctb player's keyboard looks likeNikolai wrote:
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HmmmmmmNikolai wrote:
Aesthetics wise, I'm embarrassed to admit that I kinda like it.
Build quality wise, looks like a plastic POS.
The switches are scissor chicklet switches, they're quite popular on laptop due to them being very low profile, but on a full sized keyboard, I fail to see the point of using them.
They're completely flat and has almost zero travel distance, so they hurt my fingers if I were to have to use them for an extended amount of time.
I like the animu girl on it though.
2.5/10
Ok so this is my make it or abrake it moment. I have a laptop from my college days I use as a multimedia station. Going up to it to use it was annoying, so a while back I found a solution: Why not use my phone as a remote control? Yes, I am able to use mouse and keyboard using an android app called Unified Remote. That said, please rate my keyboard:
upside-down imageabraker wrote:
Ok so this is my make it or abrake it moment. I have a laptop from my college days I use as a multimedia station. Going up to it to use it was annoying, so a while back I found a solution: Why not use my phone as a remote control? Yes, I am able to use mouse and keyboard using an android app called Unified Remote. That said, please rate my keyboard:
yes quality
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I've already stated that I don't rank laptop and phone keyboards.abraker wrote:
Ok so this is my make it or abrake it moment. I have a laptop from my college days I use as a multimedia station. Going up to it to use it was annoying, so a while back I found a solution: Why not use my phone as a remote control? Yes, I am able to use mouse and keyboard using an android app called Unified Remote. That said, please rate my keyboard:
You'll have to try better than that, Brakey.
huh im not sure how that image became upside down. It was ok when I posted.
@Tad when did you say that? It's not in the initial post unless 2am is making me blind
@Tad when did you say that? It's not in the initial post unless 2am is making me blind
community/forums/topics/1190055?n=6abraker wrote:
@Tad when did you say that? It's not in the initial post unless 2am is making me blind
https://osu.ppy.sh/community/forums/topics/1190055?n=59
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abraker wrote:
huh im not sure how that image became upside down. It was ok when I posted.
@Tad when did you say that? It's not in the initial post unless 2am is making me blind
Tad Fibonacci wrote:
no/10nedd83 wrote:
tad, rate my mobile keyboard too, please.
Tad Fibonacci wrote:
No, thank you.Corne2Plum3 wrote:
Rate my mobile keyboard then
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1pQTXJ_YuGrInC37mv_BFY2GYDZOwOCpA/view?usp=drivesdk
Tad Fibonacci wrote:
Well, I don't know enough about laptop keyboards to rate them properly, sorry.Corne2Plum3 wrote:
This isn't my exact laptop but the keyboard look like this:
But most of the time they're just rubber domes with scissors or butterfly looking pieces of plastic on them.
I have yet to tried a laptop keyboard that I thought was good yet. They're all very shallow and flat and some even hurts my finger tips after typing on them for a while.
A full travel keyboard would be much better imo.
Though this is all subjective. I know people who really like laptop and chicklet keyboards and swear by them.
Here are some posts I found regarding the matter.Tad Fibonacci wrote:
Well, I don't think I'm qualified enough to rate laptop keyboards so no, sorry.ClevelandsMyBro wrote:
does laptop counts?
But I guess I haven't made it clear in the thread yet so I'll edit it in.
thank you
ok so time to make a custom keyboard using paper, graphite, and I need to figure out how to do usb processing using paperclips. brb
ok so time to make a custom keyboard using paper, graphite, and I need to figure out how to do usb processing using paperclips. brb
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Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmabraker wrote:
thank you
ok so time to make a custom keyboard using paper, graphite, and I need to figure out how to do usb processing using paperclips. brb
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So I've been using these Feker Panda switches for about a week now and here's what I think about them.
They feel, sound and look a lot like Holy Pandas. That much is obvious I guess since they're HP clones.
I currently don't have a board with Holy Pandas, so I can't compare the 2 side by side atm. However, from what I tried of Holy Pandas, I'd say they're very similar.
These Feker Pandas gives you the same experience that Holy Pandas would provide you.
So I'd say that if you want to try out Holy Pandas, but doesn't want to make a huge investment. After all, $1 a swicth is quite expensive, you could get these instead and try them out to see if you like them or not.
If you like these Feker Pandas, you'll like Holy Pandas. If you don't like the Fekers, then you won't like Holy Pandas because the feeling that they provide are very similar.
Since these Fekers are cheap clones, there are some draw backs that I found while using them.
They're factory lubed, just like Holy Pandas. However, the factory lubing is extremely inconsistent.
When I first opened one to see if they're factory lubed or not, I thought they weren't since I couldn't see any lube in that one. But the second one I opened was drenched in lubricant.
The application was pretty inconsistent also, some were lubed on the slider, some has lube on top of the slider, some has springs that was drenched in lube etc. Although I heard that Holy Panda's factory lubing weren't any better either.
The switches themselves were pretty inconsistent also.
I found that some bottom housing and slider combination made the switches feel less tactile, and sometimes even down right linear. Although that problem is quite easily solved, I just switched the parts around again and they'd feel tactile again, so even though it's a problem, it's not that bad, especially if you want to relube them, you'll have to open them up anyways. Which I did, I lubed them with Krytox 205g0. I was about to film them as well, but I found that the housings were really tight, so I decided against it.
Overall, I think they're pretty good for the price. They're quite cheap, only slightly more expensive than Gateron Yellows. A pack of 110 switches only costed me around $30 or so. Although I can't compare these Fekers to HP side by side atm, however the feel of these Fekers are not dissimilar enough to Holy Pandas that I can differentiate them from one another without trying them side by side. It's like trying Cherry MX with other MX clones, they're different, but not dissimilar enough that you can tell which is which in a blind test. And considering the price difference between the 2, that's quite impressive.
Although I think the Fekers have a different sound to Holy Pandas though. But I'm not quite sure since the boards that I've tried the Holy Pandas on are different from the boards that I have, not mentioning the keycaps. Although the type of sound that they make are similar, I think it's just the pitch that are different.
They feel, sound and look a lot like Holy Pandas. That much is obvious I guess since they're HP clones.
I currently don't have a board with Holy Pandas, so I can't compare the 2 side by side atm. However, from what I tried of Holy Pandas, I'd say they're very similar.
These Feker Pandas gives you the same experience that Holy Pandas would provide you.
So I'd say that if you want to try out Holy Pandas, but doesn't want to make a huge investment. After all, $1 a swicth is quite expensive, you could get these instead and try them out to see if you like them or not.
If you like these Feker Pandas, you'll like Holy Pandas. If you don't like the Fekers, then you won't like Holy Pandas because the feeling that they provide are very similar.
Since these Fekers are cheap clones, there are some draw backs that I found while using them.
They're factory lubed, just like Holy Pandas. However, the factory lubing is extremely inconsistent.
When I first opened one to see if they're factory lubed or not, I thought they weren't since I couldn't see any lube in that one. But the second one I opened was drenched in lubricant.
The application was pretty inconsistent also, some were lubed on the slider, some has lube on top of the slider, some has springs that was drenched in lube etc. Although I heard that Holy Panda's factory lubing weren't any better either.
The switches themselves were pretty inconsistent also.
I found that some bottom housing and slider combination made the switches feel less tactile, and sometimes even down right linear. Although that problem is quite easily solved, I just switched the parts around again and they'd feel tactile again, so even though it's a problem, it's not that bad, especially if you want to relube them, you'll have to open them up anyways. Which I did, I lubed them with Krytox 205g0. I was about to film them as well, but I found that the housings were really tight, so I decided against it.
Overall, I think they're pretty good for the price. They're quite cheap, only slightly more expensive than Gateron Yellows. A pack of 110 switches only costed me around $30 or so. Although I can't compare these Fekers to HP side by side atm, however the feel of these Fekers are not dissimilar enough to Holy Pandas that I can differentiate them from one another without trying them side by side. It's like trying Cherry MX with other MX clones, they're different, but not dissimilar enough that you can tell which is which in a blind test. And considering the price difference between the 2, that's quite impressive.
Although I think the Fekers have a different sound to Holy Pandas though. But I'm not quite sure since the boards that I've tried the Holy Pandas on are different from the boards that I have, not mentioning the keycaps. Although the type of sound that they make are similar, I think it's just the pitch that are different.
This is my keyboard, it's a SteelSeries Apex 7 TKL With Red Switches. (German Layout)
My keyboard is kind of dirty because I'm too lazy to clean it most of the time, but I like it a lot.
I love that Bongo Cat on the OLED Screen owo
My keyboard is kind of dirty because I'm too lazy to clean it most of the time, but I like it a lot.
I love that Bongo Cat on the OLED Screen owo
poggers thxWinnyace wrote:
nice bongo cat and nice Misaki there son
it's a collab with my mates
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Aesthetics wise, it looks pretty nice and clean. I like it.Suwumi wrote:
This is my keyboard, it's a SteelSeries Apex 7 TKL With Red Switches. (German Layout)
My keyboard is kind of dirty because I'm too lazy to clean it most of the time, but I like it a lot.
I love that Bongo Cat on the OLED Screen owo
It's identical to abraker's board but just TKL instead of being fullsize.
Build quality isn't that much different either. It's pretty standard for a modern premium mechanical keyboard.
The keycaps looks pretty nice. They use a normal font and the letters are in the top left of the caps AS IT SHOULD BE, instead of being in the middle like most other backlit keyboards.
One interesting thing to point out that this board is using the German ISO layout, evident by the QWERTZ layout.
Although the caps looks nice, they're not very high quality. They're the same as the caps on the pro version that abraker uses. They're lasered so they don't lasts long, and they attracts fingerprints and dirt like crazy.
For a board that costs $140, I think it's unjustifiable that they don't put proper keycaps on this board.
The switches are Steelseries branded switches, although I think they're made by Gateron if I'm not mistaken.
I heard that they're smoother than Cherry MX reds (Which is to be expected, any other clones out there are better than Cherries) and about on par, if not slightly smoother than Gateron red switches.
Which is nice and all, but I think they don't really offer anything special, especially if you consider the price and if you look at the pro version which offers you their Hall effects switches which are excellent.
For $140 I think the Razer Huntsman TE would be a better choice. They comes with Razer optical switches, which are very smooth and they have doubleshot PBT keycaps.
Although I guess you don't get the novelty OLED screen that you'd get with the Steelseries.
Speaking of the screen, I think it's pretty cool.
You can play basic animations on it, draw stuffs on it or make it display computer or in-game stuffs.
Although, I don't think it really serves any practical function. It's more of a novelty thing than anything really.
The info display sounds good, until you realized that when you're gaming, or just using your computer, you don't really look at your keyboard. Not to mention that the screen sits flat on the board, so it's partially concealed by the keycaps.
To me at least, I don't think it really justifies the cost of this board, compared to it's other competitors which offers you better switches and keycaps at the same price point.
Overall, It's a pretty okay keyboard. However, compared to other boards at the same price point, I think it's not that great. And compared to the Pro version of the same keyboard, the gap is even bigger. Although, the pro version is $70 more than this board, so I guess it's not fair to compare this board with that.
6/10
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For me, yes.Winnyace wrote:
is building your own KB worth it in your eyes, Tad?
But it depends on you if you think building one for yourself is worth it or not.
Usually when building one for yourself, you get to choose the elements and combinations of a keyboard that you like that isn't available pre built.
For example, most pre build keyboards only use Cherry MX or it's other red, brown and blue clones. And the boards that comes with different switches are very obscure and/or costs a lot more.
So if you're building a keyboard for yourself, you get to choose what the layout is, what the switches are, if your switches are going to be lubed or not, the keycaps etc. And you can also choose the budget for them as well, especially now that there are lots of cheap and mid budget keyboard kits available. So custom keyboards aren't that expensive as they were anymore.
But on the flip side, they require time and effort. Although building one is not hard at all, especially now when hotswap is really popular. You don't even have to solder, just plug the switches in and it just works. The most painful step is probably lubing switches since it takes a lot of time. And if you're a beginner, you're bound to overlube switches or lube them unevenly etc. But hey, you can choose to not lube them. But some of them gets much better if you do lube them though.
Edit: And yeah, you appreciate something more if you've put effort into it and making it work, rather than just buying a pre built one.
Although I completely understand if you just want a functional keyboard and doesn't care enough to spend time and effort to build one.
i love this thread
aluminum case ftw
aluminum case ftw
honestly, I would build one, but I don't have the money. while kits are probably starting to become cheaper, the most cheap kits require hand-made solder and that is expensive. a good soldering iron can cost a little bit and if you are prone to making mistakes having solder wick or even an expensive solder removal with a pump and everything is necessary. either way, ofc it would take time, effort and money, but you do it also because it is a hobby you like, so your time, effort and money isn't spent on something you don't enjoy. thank you answering that, Tad!Tad Fibonacci wrote:
For me, yes.Winnyace wrote:
is building your own KB worth it in your eyes, Tad?
But it depends on you if you think building one for yourself is worth it or not.
Usually when building one for yourself, you get to choose the elements and combinations of a keyboard that you like that isn't available pre built.
For example, most pre build keyboards only use Cherry MX or it's other red, brown and blue clones. And the boards that comes with different switches are very obscure and/or costs a lot more.
So if you're building a keyboard for yourself, you get to choose what the layout is, what the switches are, if your switches are going to be lubed or not, the keycaps etc. And you can also choose the budget for them as well, especially now that there are lots of cheap and mid budget keyboard kits available. So custom keyboards aren't that expensive as they were anymore.
But on the flip side, they require time and effort. Although building one is not hard at all, especially now when hotswap is really popular. You don't even have to solder, just plug the switches in and it just works. The most painful step is probably lubing switches since it takes a lot of time. And if you're a beginner, you're bound to overlube switches or lube them unevenly etc. But hey, you can choose to not lube them. But some of them gets much better if you do lube them though.
Edit: And yeah, you appreciate something more if you've put effort into it and making it work, rather than just buying a pre built one.
Although I completely understand if you just want a functional keyboard and doesn't care enough to spend time and effort to build one.
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Soldering is not necessary. There are a lot of kits that has hotswap, cheap and doesn't require you to solder or desolder anything. On top of my mind I can think of a few like the GK61, 64, 67, KC84, etc. Those are the budget options however some GK kits offers Aluminum or Polycarbonate cases as well so if you like metal cases, you can go with those.Winnyace wrote:
honestly, I would build one, but I don't have the money. while kits are probably starting to become cheaper, the most cheap kits require hand-made solder and that is expensive. a good soldering iron can cost a little bit and if you are prone to making mistakes having solder wick or even an expensive solder removal with a pump and everything is necessary. either way, ofc it would take time, effort and money, but you do it also because it is a hobby you like, so your time, effort and money isn't spent on something you don't enjoy. thank you answering that, Tad!
Or Idobao has the ID80 and ID80V2, which are 75% Aluminum keyboard kits with hot swap. They're also gonna release the ID67 in April of this year (I think?) as well, which is also an Alu kit but for a 65% board.
And even if hotswaps aren't available to you, you can still use a soldering service in your local area.
I don't know what the price is in your area, but where I'm at, soldering/desoldering a board regardless of the layout costs around $5 per board. They also have switch lubing services as well which costs around 17 cents per switch. Filming the switches will costs extra for the films, but if you already have your own films then it'll be free.
Thank youkai99 wrote:
i love this thread
aluminum case ftw
I recently lubed my Glorious Pandas with Krytox 205g0. Sounds and feels a ton better. Sorry about the reverb.
sounds like heaven compared to my laptopPenguin wrote:
I recently lubed my Glorious Pandas with Krytox 205g0. Sounds and feels a ton better. Sorry about the reverb.
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Sounds very noice.
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Did someone just say Gateron BROWNS????Nameless wrote:
It's just an Anne Pro 2 with Gateron Browns, and the Akko World Tour keycap set but I think it looks pretty nice. I just wanted something that fit nicely in my setup, is all. Don't really wanna invest heavily outside of that right now because of budgetary reasons (and me just not needing anything nicer)
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Aesthetics wise, personally not a fan of the keycaps but it's quite nice.
It's still a very clean looking keyboard and it fits your setup very well.
It has a 60% form factor, which is too small for me. Tbh, I don't really care about saving spaces on my desk so I don't see the point of 60%. And they are very annoying to use to me. However, since form factor is a very subjective thing, I won't fault it for that.
Nothing much to say about build quality, quite standard for modern mechs.
The keycaps are dyesubbed PBT made by Akko. Tbh I think Akko makes some of the better stock keycaps. I quite like their caps. Too bad they often stick to the more fruity colours, which I'm not really a fan of. They have a classic set that is based on the Cherry 9009 keyboard though and that one looks pretty good.
Back to topic, they're dye subbed, so they're of high quality and the legends will never fade away. They also use a normal font and the position of the letters are in the correct position, which is a plus.
Now, on to the bad stuffs.
Fucking Gateron Browns.
So, Gateron shit, which is brown... I mean, Gateron Brown which is shit is a clone of Cherry MX shit, which is brown... I mean, Cherry MX brown, which is shit.
As you may have noticed, by copying shit, you produce shit.
But yes, Gateron Brown is a light linear switches that gets very scratchy at the middle of the key travel. And because of the scratchiness, some people, and in fact, even manufacturers, claim that the switch is actually tactile.
Honestly, this is a quite nice keyboard, but the browns kinda ruined it.
6/10
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The worst part about this is that I'm in complete agreement on browns. I wish I had gone for another switch and *man* I cannot be assed to solder better switches in. Will just have to live with it until I get my next board I supposeTad Fibonacci wrote:
Did someone just say Gateron BROWNS????Nameless wrote:
It's just an Anne Pro 2 with Gateron Browns, and the Akko World Tour keycap set but I think it looks pretty nice. I just wanted something that fit nicely in my setup, is all. Don't really wanna invest heavily outside of that right now because of budgetary reasons (and me just not needing anything nicer)
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Aesthetics wise, personally not a fan of the keycaps but it's quite nice.
It's still a very clean looking keyboard and it fits your setup very well.
It has a 60% form factor, which is too small for me. Tbh, I don't really care about saving spaces on my desk so I don't see the point of 60%. And they are very annoying to use to me. However, since form factor is a very subjective thing, I won't fault it for that.
Nothing much to say about build quality, quite standard for modern mechs.
The keycaps are dyesubbed PBT made by Akko. Tbh I think Akko makes some of the better stock keycaps. I quite like their caps. Too bad they often stick to the more fruity colours, which I'm not really a fan of. They have a classic set that is based on the Cherry 9009 keyboard though and that one looks pretty good.
Back to topic, they're dye subbed, so they're of high quality and the legends will never fade away. They also use a normal font and the position of the letters are in the correct position, which is a plus.
Now, on to the bad stuffs.
Fucking Gateron Browns.
So, Gateron shit, which is brown... I mean, Gateron Brown which is shit is a clone of Cherry MX shit, which is brown... I mean, Cherry MX brown, which is shit.
As you may have noticed, by copying shit, you produce shit.
But yes, Gateron Brown is a light linear switches that gets very scratchy at the middle of the key travel. And because of the scratchiness, some people, and in fact, even manufacturers, claim that the switch is actually tactile.
Honestly, this is a quite nice keyboard, but the browns kinda ruined it.
6/10
I also should probably get at least a 65% board. Programming without dedicated arrow keys is a little annoying, so if anyone passing by this post has recommendations of good 65%s and above at a reasonable cost that have a white case, lemme know I guess
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For 65%, I think the GK64 is a pretty good choice.Nameless wrote:
The worst part about this is that I'm in complete agreement on browns. I wish I had gone for another switch and *man* I cannot be assed to solder better switches in. Will just have to live with it until I get my next board I suppose
I also should probably get at least a 65% board. Programming without dedicated arrow keys is a little annoying, so if anyone passing by this post has recommendations of good 65%s and above at a reasonable cost that have a white case, lemme know I guess
You can get it with or without switches, alu plate or plastic plate, plastic case or alu case.
And you can make it have a split spacebar if you want.
It also have hotswap so you can try out different switches on it.
The only downside I can think of is that it's a tray mount keyboard, which can make the keys where you screw the plate in feels very hard.
Just make sure it's a normal model and not a optical switch model if you want to use different switches on it.
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Cheers pal, that's very helpful <3Tad Fibonacci wrote:
For 65%, I think the GK64 is a pretty good choice.
You can get it with or without switches, alu plate or plastic plate, plastic case or alu case.
And you can make it have a split spacebar if you want.
It also have hotswap so you can try out different switches on it.
The only downside I can think of is that it's a tray mount keyboard, which can make the keys where you screw the plate in feels very hard.
Just make sure it's a normal model and not a optical switch model if you want to use different switches on it.
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Np mate, glad to be of help.Nameless wrote:
Cheers pal, that's very helpful <3Tad Fibonacci wrote:
For 65%, I think the GK64 is a pretty good choice.
You can get it with or without switches, alu plate or plastic plate, plastic case or alu case.
And you can make it have a split spacebar if you want.
It also have hotswap so you can try out different switches on it.
The only downside I can think of is that it's a tray mount keyboard, which can make the keys where you screw the plate in feels very hard.
Just make sure it's a normal model and not a optical switch model if you want to use different switches on it.
heyo Tad,
here's my first ever mech that I bought new.
Rakk Illis, red outemus, hotswappable with other outemu switches.
and it cost me only 2k PHP ($40)!
I don't have a quiet place where I can do a typing test, so here's a typing test of the same keyboard:
here's my first ever mech that I bought new.
Rakk Illis, red outemus, hotswappable with other outemu switches.
and it cost me only 2k PHP ($40)!
I don't have a quiet place where I can do a typing test, so here's a typing test of the same keyboard:
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That's a very nice layout.Lapizote wrote:
heyo Tad,
here's my first ever mech that I bought new.
Rakk Illis, red outemus, hotswappable with other outemu switches.
and it cost me only 2k PHP ($40)!
I don't have a quiet place where I can do a typing test, so here's a typing test of the same keyboard:
Aesthetics wise, it looks nice and clean. I especially love the layout. I have a similar board with basically the same layout, but it have Cherry blues in it. Although, I wish the gaps would've been a little bit thicker, since they kinda thinned them out on this board so the key blocks looks a bit squished together.
But overall, not a bad looking keyboard.
Build quality wise, again, it's pretty standard at this point. However, one thing to point out is that the upper case, including the high bezels is a separate piece and can be detached or switched out. That's actually a pretty nice touch especially if you want to customize your board. If you want a high profile board, then just leave it as is. If you want a low profile board, then just remove the top.
However, I'm not sure if having such a removable top case would compromise any ruggedness. Having the top case built like that might make it more of a show piece than an actual functional layer of protection. But again, this is just me guessing, it might still be able to provide the same protection as a traditional case.
The keycaps listed on their website said that they're ABS double shots. Which means they're very durable and the legends will never fade away. Although I'm guessing this is a different model since the caps on their website looks nothing like the caps in your picture. Which is a good thing since the caps on their other models looks fucking hideous with their stencil and square gamer fonts. These caps uses a normal font with no stencil. Which is a good thing. They looks way better than the ones on their older boards.
I'm guessing they're made out of doubleshot PBT.
On to the switches. Outemu reds are similar to cherry reds. They're both a light weight linear switch.
Their light weighting is nice, but it's a pain for me to use them to type since they're too light and I makes a lot of mistakes using them.
Nothing really special about them really.
Although I found on Rakk's website that they also sell models with Gateron yellows and I think that's a much better choice. Sure, that model doesn't have hotswap like the model you got. But Outemu's hotswap sockets are only compatible with other Outemu switches. And in my opinion, Outemus aren't that interesting or good enough to be considered compared to other switch makers. So I'd rather use Gateron yellows permanently on my board than to have hotswap that only works with Outemu switches.
Oh and I forgot to mention, in the typing test, I can't not notice the horrible stab rattle.
Those sounds fucking horrible. But since it's a hot swap keyboard, replacing or modding them shouldn't be too hard I think.
Overall, a quite decent keyboard. Although with a quite limited choice in switches.
6/10
great writeup!
although I'd like to point out that I couldn't find any stores that I know selling gateron yellow versions for the new version of the Illis (idk why tho, maybe the oem doesn't manufacture them anymore?), so I just chose the outemu reds. plus, I like the hotswap feature so that I can just replace switches that would break.
regardless, I myself am still pretty happy with this keyboard considering the price that I got them at.
although I'd like to point out that I couldn't find any stores that I know selling gateron yellow versions for the new version of the Illis (idk why tho, maybe the oem doesn't manufacture them anymore?), so I just chose the outemu reds. plus, I like the hotswap feature so that I can just replace switches that would break.
regardless, I myself am still pretty happy with this keyboard considering the price that I got them at.
Hi can you r8 my 30 dollar keyboards pls thanks https://www.ipictek.com/products/pictek-tkl-mechanical-gaming-keyboard-87-key
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Nothing much to talk about.Bambinex wrote:
Hi can you r8 my 30 dollar keyboards pls thanks https://www.ipictek.com/products/pictek-tkl-mechanical-gaming-keyboard-87-key
Looks pretty okay. Although, really generic.
Decent build quality.
Keycaps are ABS doubleshot so they're durable, but the letters are stenciled, which is ugly af.
Switches are "professional equivalent switches"... Whatever that means.
The site does mention that it uses blue switches, so I'm guessing it uses a cherry blue clone.
The sounds produced by those switches are fucking horrible.
Also, half of the description about this keyboard is about the RGB for whatever reason.
Overall, a cheap functional mechanical keyboard.
5/10
Actually I like the sound of the switches lmaoTad Fibonacci wrote:
Nothing much to talk about.Bambinex wrote:
Hi can you r8 my 30 dollar keyboards pls thanks https://www.ipictek.com/products/pictek-tkl-mechanical-gaming-keyboard-87-key
Looks pretty okay. Although, really generic.
Decent build quality.
Keycaps are ABS doubleshot so they're durable, but the letters are stenciled, which is ugly af.
Switches are "professional equivalent switches"... Whatever that means.
The site does mention that it uses blue switches, so I'm guessing it uses a cherry blue clone.
The sounds produced by those switches are fucking horrible.
Also, half of the description about this keyboard is about the RGB for whatever reason.
Overall, a cheap functional mechanical keyboard.
5/10
But just for asking, what would a 10/10 keyboard be like?
most likely something like thisBambinex wrote:
But just for asking, what would a 10/10 keyboard be like?
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NoHydreigon wrote:
most likely something like thisBambinex wrote:
But just for asking, what would a 10/10 keyboard be like?
Legend has it that a 10/10 keyboard is yet to be made
Can you rate this keyboard too (bonus edition) if this doesn't get 10/10 I don't understand what will
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Since this is not an entry of anyone here, I will refrain from reviewing it in details or register a score for it.Bambinex wrote:
Can you rate this keyboard too (bonus edition) if this doesn't get 10/10 I don't understand what will
But if I were to rate it, it will not be a 10/10.
It'll sit somewhere in the 8 or mid 8 score.
The reason is that 1st of all, it's a very expensive keyboard and is more akin to a luxurious product.
I can see the money spent to make it is mostly invested into the build quality and aesthetics of the board.
Which in of itself, isn't a bad thing, but to me at least, custom boards like these doesn't have a good sense of identity.
Most of them sound virtually the same and have the same type of aesthetics.
Now, let's compare this $850 keyboard to for example, one of the highest rate keyboards I've rated here - abraker's keyboard, the Steelseries Apex Pro.
Aesthetics wise, both boards looks pretty good, but the Mode 80 does look better imo because of the thick bezels.
Build quality wise, of course the Mode 80 would win again. It's literally a block of machined metal.
Now, switches. Does the Mode 80 have better switches than the Steelseries? No.
The Mode 80 uses contact based switches, which inherently require a scratching motion to actuates. Whereas, the Steelseries uses contactless hall effects switches, which are inherently smooth.
You can also change the actuation point of the Steelseries board since it's a analog switch, which you can't do on the Mode 80.
Not to mention durability.
Contact based switches all have their life span at around 50 million keypresses,and some could reach 80 million.
But hall effects switches life span can potentially reach billions of keypresses. So basically, hall effects switches are immortal if you're using them normally.
Okay, so what about special features?
The mode 80 in the vid have hotswap and key mapping. And that's about it really.
The Steelseries have changable actuation point, as mentioned before, it has a LED screen that you can fuck around with and yes, the switches are clip in, so you can replace them, lube them or clean them very easily if needed.
Tldr: Yes, the keyboard in the video is a very good keyboard.
But it doesn't do anything well enough to be considered as a "perfect keyboard".
Also, my scoring is only my opinion. And you can agree or not agree with them. What matters is what you think.
If you think the keyboard in the video deserves to be a 10/10 keyboard then it is a 10/10 keyboard to you.
D65 w/ unlubed Gat INK Blacks
Case: Alu
Plate: Brass
Stabs: lubed & clipped cherry screw-ins
Mounting style: Gasket
Switches: Gateron INK Blacks
Keycaps: SA PBT DYE-SUB
Case: Alu
Plate: Brass
Stabs: lubed & clipped cherry screw-ins
Mounting style: Gasket
Switches: Gateron INK Blacks
Keycaps: SA PBT DYE-SUB
I recently purchased this board after desperately trying to find a good 65% board that was in stock. It was a little more expensive than the other ones that I was viewing at the time (nk65, kbd67mII, etc), but I was fine with spending a little bit extra since I’ve been waiting so long to find something in stock.
The variant that I bought is the Aluminum case in e-white with a brass plate. The board is a gasket mount system with screw-in stabs. It comes with cherry stabs, which I find to be acceptable.
The build process was fairly simple, only took me about an hour or so. I clipped and lubed the stabs then screwed them in. Then I put on the foam gaskets. Next step was to install the standoffs then mount the pcb to the plate. After that I placed the dampening foam, put the switches into the pcb, then sandwiched it inbetween the top case and bottom case. Then I screwed it all together and put on the key caps.
The keycaps I purchased for this build are temporary, as I’m currently in a Group Buy for a nice set of ePBT Soju’s that will be here next year. Nonetheless, I wanted to get something nice that would last until then. I bought a set of SA profile PBT keycaps. The images and marketing make them out to be violet/purple, but in reality, they are more blue than anything. I honestly think the blue looks better anyways, so I’m glad it is how it is.
This is my first time using a premium linear switch. The only type of linear I had used before this were Cherry Reds. I am honestly astounded at how good Black Inks are stock. Compared to the other switches I have used, they feel like they are already lubed, that’s how smooth they are. I’m excited to actually lube them and see how they feel, but I think I’ll use them stock for a bit.
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Owh noice.Penguin wrote:
D65 w/ unlubed Gat INK Blacks
Case: Alu
Plate: Brass
Stabs: lubed & clipped cherry screw-ins
Mounting style: Gasket
Switches: Gateron INK Blacks
Keycaps: SA PBT DYE-SUB
I recently purchased this board after desperately trying to find a good 65% board that was in stock. It was a little more expensive than the other ones that I was viewing at the time (nk65, kbd67mII, etc), but I was fine with spending a little bit extra since I’ve been waiting so long to find something in stock.
The variant that I bought is the Aluminum case in e-white with a brass plate. The board is a gasket mount system with screw-in stabs. It comes with cherry stabs, which I find to be acceptable.
The build process was fairly simple, only took me about an hour or so. I clipped and lubed the stabs then screwed them in. Then I put on the foam gaskets. Next step was to install the standoffs then mount the pcb to the plate. After that I placed the dampening foam, put the switches into the pcb, then sandwiched it inbetween the top case and bottom case. Then I screwed it all together and put on the key caps.
The keycaps I purchased for this build are temporary, as I’m currently in a Group Buy for a nice set of ePBT Soju’s that will be here next year. Nonetheless, I wanted to get something nice that would last until then. I bought a set of SA profile PBT keycaps. The images and marketing make them out to be violet/purple, but in reality, they are more blue than anything. I honestly think the blue looks better anyways, so I’m glad it is how it is.
This is my first time using a premium linear switch. The only type of linear I had used before this were Cherry Reds. I am honestly astounded at how good Black Inks are stock. Compared to the other switches I have used, they feel like they are already lubed, that’s how smooth they are. I’m excited to actually lube them and see how they feel, but I think I’ll use them stock for a bit.
Aesthetics wise, it looks pretty good.
It has decently thick bezels and a blocker for the arrow keys which breaks up the board a bit and makes it look nicer.
And it serves another function which makes the arrow keys easier to find by touch. On boards which have the layout squished together, I always have to look at it whenever I use the arrow keys, so I like boards that do something to make them stand out a bit more than usual.
Although, it's a bit weird that the blocker is of another separate piece though. I get it's for customizability and you could swap them out with different accented pieces, but I don't think most people are gonna do that. And having a separate piece would leave a pretty noticeable seam which looks a bit weird ngl.
But overall, a very aesthetically pleasing keyboard. The only thing that would make it better imo is that the 3 keys on the right would also be separated since it will look better that way and it'll make the backspace stand out more since not having the backspace at an edge is a bit weird and would take a bit of getting used to, at least that's the case for me.
Build quality wise, yeah, it' very good.
The board is literally a block of metal. It also have a brass plate, which probably would increase the weight even further.
Although, the weight would be a downside if you want to bring it anywhere with you I suppose.
The keycaps are dye subbed PBT SA profile caps.
They're dye subbed, so they should be of high quality and very durable.
This set looks pretty nice too, as far as I can see, there isn't any defects or misalignment on the caps. Which can happen pretty regularly on cheaper dye subbed sets. (or even more expensive ones)
SA is a pretty cool profile also. It stem from a vintage keycap profile often found on the keyboards of old.
It's very tall though, so if you're used to OEM or Cherry profile, you'll need some time to get used to it.
Although in this case, aesthetically speaking, they look fine, but their colour scheme makes the board looks a bit bland.
And since they are very tall and thick, they kinda covered up the brass plate, so you can barely see the plate at all.
Imo, you should use a cap set with a more contrasting colour, or goes with the colours that would match well with the brass.
The switches are Gateron black Inks.
They're of a mid to heavy weighting linear switch that's made by Gateron with a "mystery" blend of plastic that makes it smoother than usual.
And indeed, it's a very smooth switch, with a very nice sound profile. The sound is not as clacky as some other linear switches, but they are pretty deep and nice. But in this case on this board, they sound a bit high pitched. I'm guessing it's because of the brass plate. Brass plates are heavier, denser and harder than aluminum, which is why they tend to make switches sound higher pitched. But I bet the sound can be improved significantly if you were to lube the switches.
And although, Gat ink blacks are very smooth, they're not as smooth as some of other competing linear switches out there.
For example, JWK switches are often smoother than ink blacks. Although, JWK switches often sound more high pitched and not as nice as ink blacks, so it's up to you which aspect is more important I guess.
This board also have hotswaps, which is a nice touch as well. It takes less time to build than a normal custom that requires soldering and it's just more convenient overall to have hotswap since you can modify the board anytime you want pretty quickly and you could try out different switches also.
Overall, a pretty good luxury custom mechanical keyboard.
8/10
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It seems that abraker have been dethroned of having the best keyboard in this thread.
Although tbf, he still have the first place, but now it's a shared one.
Although tbf, he still have the first place, but now it's a shared one.
wait wut
Wonder how this’ll be rated
Edit: nvm I didn’t read the header post carefully my bad
Edit: nvm I didn’t read the header post carefully my bad
Tad Fibonacci wrote:
Although, it's a bit weird that the blocker is of another separate piece though. I get it's for customizability and you could swap them out with different accented pieces, but I don't think most people are gonna do that. And having a separate piece would leave a pretty noticeable seam which looks a bit weird ngl.
I actually plan on buying a green colored blocker to match my soju keycaps once I get them. Also, I don’t really have a preference when it comes to seams and whatnot. I think KBs with seams can look just as good or better than ones without. I like how it looks with this KB.
Yah, it’s heavy as fuck lol. I bought a nice carrying case for it, so it won’t be bad to transport it.Tad Fibonacci wrote:
The board is literally a block of metal. It also have a brass plate, which probably would increase the weight even further.
Although, the weight would be a downside if you want to bring it anywhere with you I suppose.
I really like the simple color scheme that I have going on. I prefer a nice cohesive look rather than having massive contrast. Also, I don’t really plan on matching to the brass plate. It’s not too noticeable as is and even when I do notice it, it looks fine.Tad Fibonacci wrote:
Although in this case, aesthetically speaking, they look fine, but their colour scheme makes the board looks a bit bland.
And since they are very tall and thick, they kinda covered up the brass plate, so you can barely see the plate at all.
Imo, you should use a cap set with a more contrasting colour, or goes with the colours that would match well with the brass.
I think I’m gonna buy some Tangerines and try them out. I think they would sound really nice and clacky with my brass plate.Tad Fibonacci wrote:
For example, JWK switches are often smoother than ink blacks. Although, JWK switches often sound more high pitched and not as nice as ink blacks, so it's up to you which aspect is more important I guess.
Hi, since this is a keyboard thread, I'm gonna put my question for tad here
Is this keyboard a good deal? Because I'm searching for a keyboard with cherry mx red and this one seems really cool. is it worth the 160 dollars ? And if no, do you have any advices on chat keyboard should I choose ?
https://fr.steelseries.com/gaming-keyboards/apex-7-tkl?language=french&switch=red
Is this keyboard a good deal? Because I'm searching for a keyboard with cherry mx red and this one seems really cool. is it worth the 160 dollars ? And if no, do you have any advices on chat keyboard should I choose ?
https://fr.steelseries.com/gaming-keyboards/apex-7-tkl?language=french&switch=red
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I actually rated this board in this thread before.Bambinex wrote:
Hi, since this is a keyboard thread, I'm gonna put my question for tad here
Is this keyboard a good deal? Because I'm searching for a keyboard with cherry mx red and this one seems really cool. is it worth the 160 dollars ? And if no, do you have any advices on chat keyboard should I choose ?
https://fr.steelseries.com/gaming-keyboards/apex-7-tkl?language=french&switch=red
It's here: community/forums/posts/7914278
Basically it's okay, but there are better choices out there, especially at that price point.
Edit: For suggestions, in that price point, I think the Razer Huntsman TE is a much better choice. It comes with Razer optical contactless switches that are butter smooth and is kitted out with Razer's doubleshot PBT keycaps.
Although, you don't get the niche screen of the Steelseries, but tbh they aren't that useful to begin with.
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I'm gonna bump this thread with a mini switch review.
So I've been using the new Jwick switches for a few weeks now. They came up in the market pretty recently, and became extremely popular.
They're pretty cheap too, only around the price of Gateron yellows, which is a really good price for a budget switch.
They're dubbed the "Gateron yellows killer" and people have said that they're a much better switch for the same price, but are the rumours any true?
Interestingly enough, for such a popular switch, there is close to no info about them out there whatsoever. I've tried to look for more information, but there are close to none. I couldn't find any force graphs, actuation force or anything really. The only review I've found on Youtube for it was in Malay(?) or Singaporean or something.
It's quite a mysterious switch despite how well known it is. The only information that I've found floating was more or less a rumour because the sites list them as "supposedly produced by JWK". Which is weird since they're branded as "Jwick" but whatever.
So I ordered around 90 switches. I got the Jwick red switches because why not? Tried them out for a while, then lubed and filmed them, and then tried them out again.
I've also been comparing them with my Gateron milky yellows which are also lubed and filmed.
They're both lubed with Krytox 205g0 and filmed with Kelowna films.
Stock wise, I'd say, they're definitely a better switch than Gateron yellows.
Right out of the box, you can tell that it's smoother than stock Gateron switches. But this is quite expected since unlike Gateron yellows, the Jwick switches are in fact, factory lubed.
The quality of the factory lubing is quite good as well. Honestly, I think it's quite a good stock budget linear switch if you don't care to mod switches yourself. And tbh, they're even better than some of the more premium linear switches stock. The lubing was quite consistent, and in a batch of 10 switches, I only got 2 to 3 switches that aren't on par with the others. Overall, a pretty good switch. I'd say, if you don't care about lubing or filming your swicthes and you want a good budget linear switch, then you should definitely get these.
After using them stock for a while, I've also lubed and filmed them. At first I wasn't gonna film them, but since I'm gonna compare them to my batch of Gateron Yellows which I've filmed, I thought I should film them also just so that they're on the same level.
And what I found is that after being lubed and filmed, the Jwick switches performed roughly the same as the Gateron yellows. The Jwicks are slightly smoother, but not by a whole lot.
The biggest difference I can feel was that the Jwicks was significantly lighter than the Gateron Yellows, though that's because I got the Jwick reds instead of Jwick yellows.
Weighting wise, I think The Jwick reds are around the same as other red switches like Cherry reds.
The Jwick yellows are not the same as Gateron yellows though. Only the bottom out force is provided, so I don't know how much force does it take to actuates the switch, but the Jwick yellows bottom out at 65 grams while the Gateron yellows are around 62-63 grams. So it's only 2-3 grams of difference so idk if it's noticeable.
Keep in mind that although the Jwick reds bottoms out at 60 grams, the actuation force is around the same as cherry reds, so it's a pretty light switch and I made a lot of mistakes using them at first since I wasn't used to the light weighting.
So if you wanted a switch with similar weighting to Gateron Yellows, get the Jwick Yellows. Although they're not the same weighting and the Jwick yellows are slightly heavier than Gateron Yellows.
Overall, I think it's quite a decent switch.
I'd say given the choice between these and Gateron Yellows, I'd definitely pick the Jwicks.
They're smoother and nicer. Although after being modded, they're not that much better. So if you're already using Gateron yellows, I don't think it's necessary to throw them out to buy the Jwicks since they won't perform that much better.
Another difference is the sound though. The Jwick reds are much more clackier than Gateron Milky Yellows.
The gateron milky yellows are quite muted after being lubed and filmed, but the Jwicks are still quite loud and high pitched.
Sound test:
Tad Fibonacci wrote:
Hmmmm...
I don't really think that Jwick switches will be popular at all in NA for quite some time. The shipping that we would have to pay to buy those switches kind of eliminates the cost efficacy that those switches are known for. It would cost just as much to get premium switches from an NA vendor as it would to order Jwick switches from foreign vendors. With that being said, it's possible that if Jwick switches gain a lot of traction and are extremely popular in South-East Asia, then maybe an NA vendor will buy some and distribute it in NA for an affordable price for us.
As for a status on my builds.. I've made some changes to my boards over the past few months. First of all, I bought some Box Navy switches and have been using those in my GMMK TKL as my daily driver. I sort of enjoy clicky switches, but Navys are not really the smoothest and kind of bind when pressing on the edge of the keycap. It might be due to the absurd force curve that Navys have, or it just be a bad batch, who knows.
I also ordered a PBT Cherry profile keycap set (PBT Notion from NK) and put my Glorious Pandas into my D65 board instead of the Black Inks.
I believe that the Glorious Pandas work very well on the brass plate of my board. I like the sound signature a lot more than the Black Inks on brass. Black Inks would work a lot better on a PC plate since are known for being a muted low pitch linear, which is what I intend on using them for once I receive my KBD67 Lite that I ordered in group buy.
Also, extras for the Portico Keyboard from TKC just went live a few days ago, so I ordered one of those along with some Infinikey BoW PBT keycaps. It has been shipped and should arrive in anywhere from a few days to a week. I've been lubing my Tangerine switches and plan on using those in my Portico Build. I've been using my old GMMK TKL as my daily driver, but I will most likely switch to the Portico once I build that.
Also, I've been reading a lot of good things on the new switches from Kinetic Labs. The most popular of the bunch being their "Penguin" switch, which is sold out. They also have a "Hippo" switch, a "Salmon" switch, and will soon have a "Husky" switch. I plan on buying a batch of all 4 of these and trying them out. The Salmon and Husky switches have Symmetric Long Springs which seems very interesting.
As for a status on my builds.. I've made some changes to my boards over the past few months. First of all, I bought some Box Navy switches and have been using those in my GMMK TKL as my daily driver. I sort of enjoy clicky switches, but Navys are not really the smoothest and kind of bind when pressing on the edge of the keycap. It might be due to the absurd force curve that Navys have, or it just be a bad batch, who knows.
I also ordered a PBT Cherry profile keycap set (PBT Notion from NK) and put my Glorious Pandas into my D65 board instead of the Black Inks.
I believe that the Glorious Pandas work very well on the brass plate of my board. I like the sound signature a lot more than the Black Inks on brass. Black Inks would work a lot better on a PC plate since are known for being a muted low pitch linear, which is what I intend on using them for once I receive my KBD67 Lite that I ordered in group buy.
Also, extras for the Portico Keyboard from TKC just went live a few days ago, so I ordered one of those along with some Infinikey BoW PBT keycaps. It has been shipped and should arrive in anywhere from a few days to a week. I've been lubing my Tangerine switches and plan on using those in my Portico Build. I've been using my old GMMK TKL as my daily driver, but I will most likely switch to the Portico once I build that.
Also, I've been reading a lot of good things on the new switches from Kinetic Labs. The most popular of the bunch being their "Penguin" switch, which is sold out. They also have a "Hippo" switch, a "Salmon" switch, and will soon have a "Husky" switch. I plan on buying a batch of all 4 of these and trying them out. The Salmon and Husky switches have Symmetric Long Springs which seems very interesting.
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I see. That makes sense I guess since most of the Western sites I've seen that have them on their listing are almost always sold out.Penguin wrote:
I don't really think that Jwick switches will be popular at all in NA for quite some time. The shipping that we would have to pay to buy those switches kind of eliminates the cost efficacy that those switches are known for. It would cost just as much to get premium switches from an NA vendor as it would to order Jwick switches from foreign vendors. With that being said, it's possible that if Jwick switches gain a lot of traction and are extremely popular in South-East Asia, then maybe an NA vendor will buy some and distribute it in NA for an affordable price for us.
That sounds kinda weird. Box switches don't really bind in my experience. I have tried Box navies before and I don't think I've encountered the binding you've mentioned. Although I didn't used it for any extended amount of time so I can't really tell either. But my Box jades doesn't have any binding issues.Penguin wrote:
As for a status on my builds.. I've made some changes to my boards over the past few months. First of all, I bought some Box Navy switches and have been using those in my GMMK TKL as my daily driver. I sort of enjoy clicky switches, but Navys are not really the smoothest and kind of bind when pressing on the edge of the keycap. It might be due to the absurd force curve that Navys have, or it just be a bad batch, who knows.
But yeah, Box switches aren't that smooth. Even if you lube them. I lubed my Jades and after lubing they feel exactly the same. Although the sound is a bit better, it's crisper and less pingy but I think that's just the spring so I think lubing the springs only would be a better option since it saves a lot of time, effort and lube.
But yeah, I think smoothness isn't as important on a tactile switch like Box Navies or Jades compared to a linear switches and Box switches aren't scratchy switches to begin with, so I personally think they're fine. They're smooth enough so that your experience with them is still a good one.
Damn those Glorious Pandas sounds so muted. Did put any foam in the keyboard?Penguin wrote:
I believe that the Glorious Pandas work very well on the brass plate of my board. I like the sound signature a lot more than the Black Inks on brass. Black Inks would work a lot better on a PC plate since are known for being a muted low pitch linear, which is what I intend on using them for once I receive my KBD67 Lite that I ordered in group buy.
Also Idk if it's the sound of the switch and keycap itself or the stabs but the spacebar is making a high pitched metallic sound. Sounds kinda like stabs ticking or rattle so you might want to take a look at it.
Yeah the spring seems interesting. Maybe I should get a bag of those and see how they perform.Penguin wrote:
Also, I've been reading a lot of good things on the new switches from Kinetic Labs. The most popular of the bunch being their "Penguin" switch, which is sold out. They also have a "Hippo" switch, a "Salmon" switch, and will soon have a "Husky" switch. I plan on buying a batch of all 4 of these and trying them out. The Salmon and Husky switches have Symmetric Long Springs which seems very interesting.
The Penguin switches sounds pretty nice when lubed also.
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You gotta provide more info before I can judge it properly.-Flaky- wrote:
Found this cheap optical keyboard on shopee.
Maybe name the keyboard model or post the site that you bought it from.
What's an optical keyboard lmao
moneysing
Took this picture from the amazon listing, which is here
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01FXDHOKC/ref=redir_mobile_desktop?_encoding=UTF8&aaxitk=216160fea37d83039cd348b07fbec0c8&hsa_cr_id=9407479210401&pd_rd_plhdr=t&pd_rd_r=84a609fa-e288-40df-8af4-6976732b9352&pd_rd_w=C8n25&pd_rd_wg=L8R12&ref_=sbx_be_s_sparkle_mcd_asin_1_title
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01FXDHOKC/ref=redir_mobile_desktop?_encoding=UTF8&aaxitk=216160fea37d83039cd348b07fbec0c8&hsa_cr_id=9407479210401&pd_rd_plhdr=t&pd_rd_r=84a609fa-e288-40df-8af4-6976732b9352&pd_rd_w=C8n25&pd_rd_wg=L8R12&ref_=sbx_be_s_sparkle_mcd_asin_1_title
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Optical keyboard probably isn't the correct terminology but, it basically means that it's a keyboard which uses optical switches.bambinex wrote:
What's an optical keyboard lmao
Most "normal" mechanical keyboards uses contacts to trigger and actuates, whereas optical switches uses a laser to register a key press. Optical switches are usually more durable and smoother since the triggering mechanism doesn't require a rubbing motion like normal contact based switches.
Welp if that's the keyboard you're using,moneusing wrote:
Took this picture from the amazon listing, which is here
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01FXDHOKC/ref=redir_mobile_desktop?_encoding=UTF8&aaxitk=216160fea37d83039cd348b07fbec0c8&hsa_cr_id=9407479210401&pd_rd_plhdr=t&pd_rd_r=84a609fa-e288-40df-8af4-6976732b9352&pd_rd_w=C8n25&pd_rd_wg=L8R12&ref_=sbx_be_s_sparkle_mcd_asin_1_title
Aesthetics wise, it looks okay. Nothing much to be said. Although the keycaps could've been better.
Nothing much can be said about build quality either. It's a standard plastic case with a metal mounting plate.
The keycaps are doubleshot, which means the legends will never fade away and it should be quite durable. I'm not sure if it's made with ABS or PBT though, the site doesn't really specify. Although the font they used is pretty ugly.
The switches are Outemu blue switches. Outemus are Cherry MX clones and they perform more or less the same as Cherry MX. I don't really consider one better than the other. However Outemu blues have a even worst sound than Cherry MX blues so there's that. Feel and performance wise, there isn't any tangible difference though. All and all, it's a cheap, okay switch. Nothing write home about.
This board also have hotswap. Although from the pictures, I think it's Outemu hotswap sockets. So basically those sockets will only fit Outemu switches and nothing else, so even though it's hotswap, your choices in switches are still limited.
But I guess it's a point towards serviability in the event that one of your switch breaks or simply cleaning you can just take them off.
Overall, a cheap, okay mechanical keyboard.
5/10
Tad Fibonacci wrote:
You gotta provide more info before I can judge it properly.-Flaky- wrote:
Found this cheap optical keyboard on shopee.
Maybe name the keyboard model or post the site that you bought it from.
https://shopee.co.th/SIGNO-KB-718-%E0%B8%84%E0%B8%B5%E0%B8%A2%E0%B9%8C%E0%B8%9A%E0%B8%AD%E0%B8%A3%E0%B9%8C%E0%B8%94%E0%B9%80%E0%B8%81%E0%B8%A1%E0%B8%A1%E0%B8%B4%E0%B9%88%E0%B8%87-TKL-Mechanical-Keybord-Optical-Switch-2-%E0%B9%81%E0%B8%9A%E0%B8%9A-Blue-RED-i.5325496.8415667557
this is where i brought from. It's signo KB-718 (Red optical switch)
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Aesthetics wise, I like it. It looks nice and simple. Not too showy or try hard. However the logo above the arrow keys looks a bit ugly in my opinion. Although it's not a ugly looking keyboard at all.-Flaky- wrote:
Tad Fibonacci wrote:
You gotta provide more info before I can judge it properly.-Flaky- wrote:
Found this cheap optical keyboard on shopee.
Maybe name the keyboard model or post the site that you bought it from.
https://shopee.co.th/SIGNO-KB-718-%E0%B8%84%E0%B8%B5%E0%B8%A2%E0%B9%8C%E0%B8%9A%E0%B8%AD%E0%B8%A3%E0%B9%8C%E0%B8%94%E0%B9%80%E0%B8%81%E0%B8%A1%E0%B8%A1%E0%B8%B4%E0%B9%88%E0%B8%87-TKL-Mechanical-Keybord-Optical-Switch-2-%E0%B9%81%E0%B8%9A%E0%B8%9A-Blue-RED-i.5325496.8415667557
this is where i brought from. It's signo KB-718 (Red optical switch)
Build quality is again, average. It has a plastic case with a metal mounting plate.
Although on the products page, it's said that the board weighs only 670 grams, which is pretty light for a TKL keyboard. I would've prefered a more chunkier board.
The keycaps looks to be doubleshot, but I'm not sure about it since I can't find anything about the keycaps on the site. It's stenciled so the font isn't the best, however it's still miles better than the gamer fonts that so many boards has. The legends are also in the correct spot, the top left, instead of being in the middle like most backlit keyboards, which is a plus.
Honestly, the keycaps looks actually quite nice with the sub legends on them. Pretty cool looking in my opinion. Although the branding on the spacebar looks fucking hideous. They already have their branding on the case already so I have no idea why they thought it'd be necessary to have another branding on the spacebar.
The switches are optical red switches. I'm not sure who made those switches and the site doesn't specify either. But regardless, since the switches are optical and does not rely on contacts to actuates, I think it's safe to assume that the key feel is quite smooth. Although I have not tried out this board myself so I can't really tell how smooth it is.
And another feature of being a contactless switch is that the life time of the switch is also very high. And indeed, on the products page, it listed the switch as having a life time of 100 million key strokes. But I think the real number could be much higher, and the reason why it's only listed as 100 million was because just to have the switches be tested to 100 million key strokes would have taken years already so they probably just pulled the plug after they've reached 100 million.
It also have N key rollover, 1000hz polling rate yadi yadi yada if you care about that.
Overall, quite a nice keyboard for it's price. Pretty cheap, but seems like quite a competent keyboard.
6/10
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For now I don't think there are any licensed Hololive keycaps just yet.Meah wrote:
I want to buy one with hololive keycaps
But yeah, it would be cool if we have a set.
Also I dont really know what these colored switches mean lol
TKC Portico w/ Lubed Tangerines and Infinikey BoW PBT Keycaps
(my shift is misaligned in this photo, but I fixed it afterwards)
(my shift is misaligned in this photo, but I fixed it afterwards)
I kind of entered this hobby doing the complete opposite of what people normally do. I first bought a shitty prebuilt keyboard (GMMK TKL), which is normal and what a lot of people usually start out with. But then I went all out and spent an absurd amount of money on my first build (D65). Now, I'm just chilling and buying some entry-level boards because I think they are cool and whatnot.
The Portico was in group-buy about 6 months ago. Extras for this keyboard recently came out a few weeks ago. Since I'm interested in entry-level keyboards at the moment, I immediately purchased this kit. There was no way in hell that I would let this opportunity slip by me. Also, the fact that I purchased an "extra" meant that it would ship immediately, which is really nice. I mean.. who wants to sit around for months waiting for the keyboard they purchased? Definitely not me.
waiting for R2 KBD67 lite to ship intesifies
Anyways, I decided to put in my Tangerines that I bought a while ago since I wasn't using them in my D65 anymore. I'm really glad that I decided to use Tangerines because they sound and feel really nice in this board. As for the build process, it was fairly quick and easy since I have previous experience. I lubed the Tangerines over the past week with Krytox 205g0 and the stock C³EQUALZ stabs with Krytox 205g0 as well. I accidentally installed one of the stabilizer stem legs backward and didn't realize until I screwed the case together, meaning that I had to completely take it apart to fix the stab.. not fun.
I'll make a sound test video later, but for now, it pretty much sounds identical to this video. I'm using the same exact keycaps, switches, lube, and stabs. The only difference is that I'm typing on two desk mats, so there's less reverberation with my keyboard and it's a little bit more muted.
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Aesthetics wise, I like it. It looks quite simple and clean.Penguin wrote:
NEW KEYBOARD ALERT TKC Portico w/ Lubed Tangerines and Infinikey BoW PBT Keycaps
(my shift is misaligned in this photo, but I fixed it afterwards)
I kind of entered this hobby doing the complete opposite of what people normally do. I first bought a shitty prebuilt keyboard (GMMK TKL), which is normal and what a lot of people usually start out with. But then I went all out and spent an absurd amount of money on my first build (D65). Now, I'm just chilling and buying some entry-level boards because I think they are cool and whatnot.
The Portico was in group-buy about 6 months ago. Extras for this keyboard recently came out a few weeks ago. Since I'm interested in entry-level keyboards at the moment, I immediately purchased this kit. There was no way in hell that I would let this opportunity slip by me. Also, the fact that I purchased an "extra" meant that it would ship immediately, which is really nice. I mean.. who wants to sit around for months waiting for the keyboard they purchased? Definitely not me.
waiting for R2 KBD67 lite to ship intesifies
Anyways, I decided to put in my Tangerines that I bought a while ago since I wasn't using them in my D65 anymore. I'm really glad that I decided to use Tangerines because they sound and feel really nice in this board. As for the build process, it was fairly quick and easy since I have previous experience. I lubed the Tangerines over the past week with Krytox 205g0 and the stock C³EQUALZ stabs with Krytox 205g0 as well. I accidentally installed one of the stabilizer stem legs backward and didn't realize until I screwed the case together, meaning that I had to completely take it apart to fix the stab.. not fun.
I'll make a sound test video later, but for now, it pretty much sounds identical to this video. I'm using the same exact keycaps, switches, lube, and stabs. The only difference is that I'm typing on two desk mats, so there's less reverberation with my keyboard and it's a little bit more muted.
The blocker for the arrow keys definitely makes the board looks classier too. And it makes it easier to feel the arrow keys. the transparency case is okay in my book. I personally don't mind it, but some people really love it and some really hates it.
Although I kinda hate the RGB look of this board. It looks like rainbow vomit. I'd keep it off if I were to use it.
This board is also in the 65% form factor, which means, it's basically a 60% but one unit row longer so it fits the arrow keys and some other keys from the nav cluster.
It's quite a popular form factor amongst keyboard enthusiasts and I can see why. It's small, space saving, looks nice and it still holds all of the basic functions that you'd want on a keyboard. It's the same idea as the 60% form factor. However, it's better since most people really wants to have the arrow keys, so the 65% form factor only makes the board slightly bigger than a 60% but makes it a lot easier and more comfortable to use.
Personally, I'd prefer a bigger form factor, but that's just me and form factors are very much based on taste.
Build quality wise, it's not as good as metal custom boards. However, the plastic still look quite thick so the build quality is still pretty good. I'd say it's above average in terms of build quality compared to other modern pre built mechanical keyboards.
One advantage of a plastic case however, is that it makes the board sounds much better than a metal one. Since a metal case is very thick and dense, the sound would be very muted and high pitched. Of course not all boards are like that, but that's just a trend that I see for myself. Some people even put foam in their keyboards to dampen the reverbs, but I think on an already thick keyboard it makes the sound of the board even more muted and flat.
So for sound, in my opinion, a roomy plastic case would sound better than a thick metal one. Especially for clicky switches.
The keycaps you're using on this board looks pretty nice and clean. I like it. It's actually looks almost identical to the keycaps I'm using I think minus the Japanese sub legends of course.
It's made out of thick PBT, so it won't yellow overtime, and it's dye subbed so the legends will be very durable.
The font looks pretty nice as well.
Overall, it's a clean and nice looking keycap set.
The switches are Tangerine switches. I personally have tried them out before, however I haven't used them for an extended amount of time and my memories aren't pristine so some aspects that I remember about them might be incorrect.
When I got to try them out, they were pretty nice and smooth. It's of course not as smooth as contactless switches. However, when I tried them out side by side with some contactless switches, although I can feel more friction from the tangerines, the friction in the tangerines itself is smoother than the little friction found in contactless switches.
So it's a pretty smooth switch. But one thing to note that the sound of those switches aren't very good. Especially on a dense keyboard, they sound super flat. So if you're a person who really cares about how your keyboard sounds, I suggest looking into a different switch.
That isn't to say that the switch can't sound good of course. But compared to other switches, it just doesn't sound as good.
But then again, sound is super subjective so you might still like the sound that they produces.
However, in this chassis, the switches doesn't sound bad at all. It sounds super clacky so if you're into that kind of sound profile, I think this is a pretty good combination.
Personally I prefer a deeper sound when it comes to switch sounds.
This board also have hotswap, so it's very beginner friendly. It also comes with pretty decent stabs so that's pretty nice.
7/10
also, I put on my spacebar upside down because it was having issues with the stabilizer the normal way. Works perfectly fine when it's upside down for some reason though.
Just bought the Keychron k8 with Gateron red
This is a good picture I found of it
This website list the spec of the one I bought
https://www.keychron.com/products/keychron-k8-tenkeyless-wireless-mechanical-keyboard?variant=32018252988505
This is a good picture I found of it
This website list the spec of the one I bought
https://www.keychron.com/products/keychron-k8-tenkeyless-wireless-mechanical-keyboard?variant=32018252988505
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Oh yeah, Keychron have been quite popular for a while.ShinRun wrote:
Just bought the Keychron k8 with Gateron red
This is a good picture I found of it
This website list the spec of the one I bought
https://www.keychron.com/products/keychron-k8-tenkeyless-wireless-mechanical-keyboard?variant=32018252988505
It's quite a affordable and decent hotswap keyboard.
Aesthetics wise, it looks pretty nice. It have a very minimalist look and a very clean looking keyboard.
The colour of the keycaps fits it well and it looks quite nice.
However, one thing I don't like about it is that the construction of the board made it so that the aluminum bezels are raised slightly surrounding the board. But there's no bezels on the gaps on the face of the keyboard. So the whole thing looks like a bowl kinda.
I would prefer if it had a more traditional looking bezels.
This board is the K8 version, which means it's a TKL. Keychron also offers other models with basically the same functionality but in different form factors, such as in 65% or 75%.
TKL is usually prefered by gamers who wants a functional keyboard but without the numpad so that their mouse have more space.
Build quality wise, it's pretty good compared to most other mainstream mechanical keyboards.
The case itself is made out of plastic, and it has a metal mounting plate. Which is standard for modern mechanical keyboards.
However, the sides of the board also have rails that you can mount aluminum plates on.
These plates serves as the keyboard's bezels and they slightly increase the build quality and the keyboard's weight.
So even though it's not as good as a full metal case construction, it's still a level higher than most other keyboards with plastic cases. So I'd say it's somewhere in between.
The keycaps on this board is probably it's worst feature so far.
they're made out of lasered ABS, which produce a very sharp looking legend. However, they aren't very durable, they attracts dirt and dust quite a bit and it doesn't take too long before they shine up as well.
Although aesthetically, they don't look bad and definitely fits the board well. But I'd definitely switch to a better keycap set if I were you.
On to the switches.
Gateron reds are a clone of Cherry MX reds, which are a light linear switch.
Gateron is better than Cherry MX in my opinion. However, Gateron reds aren't that interesting to begin with. But since this keyboard is hotswappable, it's not that big of a problem.
You can always switch them out for a more interesting switch.
Keychron also offers this board with optical linear switches, which is definitely a better choice in my opinion if you don't care about trying out different switches.
Optical switches doesn't rely on a physical contact to actuates, meaning they are inherently smoother than contact based switches.
They are much more durable also.
Extra feature wise, this keyboard have wireless bluetooth, so if you hate wires, this can be very useful. According to the people who have used Keychron boards, their bluetooth is pretty good and doesn't have a lot of problems. Which can't really be said for boards in a similar price range like the NJ68.
The USB C port is located on the left side of this board instead of being in the back like most other keyboards. This can be an advantage or a nuisance depending on your setup. This is why I think that boards with cable gutters are quite nice since with gutters, you can basically route the cable to any direction you want that fits with your setup.
Other than that, this board also have RGB, Mac support blah blah blah.
Overall, a pretty good keyboard.
6.7/10