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Farewell Cheaters #2

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vivere
752 posts
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vivere

heatwave95 wrote:

GladiOol wrote:

if you cheat, no matter if it's offline or not, you should be die be banned.
I mean, why would you want to play osu! offline just to cheat? wtf?
all people got a feeling , want to try.
just they keep it as secret , who know.
at least , he being honest .
Hi.

I will not lie, I feel doubt is that FL, but something happens...I've always been faithful to osu!
I also save a BIG problem...

PEOPLE, lest they be banned just do not use cheat <.<

Don't become actors and accept the reality, because they are aware and know what they do (I say this because some people is insulted just to save herself from being banned)

PS: maybe most do not know me, but this is how I think.
RAUDI_old
RAUDI_old
i see that i am on the List :(

Yes i use a Cheat called "Anti Flashlight".
But i dont want hurt to Osu or anything :(

Im Sorry
Red Flames Wyvern
2 posts
Joined September 2010
Red Flames Wyvern
Can u explain to me , how do they cheated in osu ? is there anywhere to find out ? I have no clue . I don't know how they cheat.. if i do.. i shall make a report . 8-)
James2250
osu! Alumni
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James2250

Red Flames Wyvern wrote:

Can u explain to me , how do they cheated in osu ? is there anywhere to find out ? I have no clue . I don't know how they cheat.. if i do.. i shall make a report . 8-)
I believe pretty much every person on that list cheated by hacking the flashlight mod. They disable the darkness around the cursor but still get the 1.12 score added.

If you see a flashlight score that seems almost impossible (and the person is not a well known or skilled flashlight player) you can report it here. Also other simple things like having a person get 20 rank 1 flashlight scores on insane maps in 20 minutes or something.

(not meant to post here I know)
[deleted user]
[deleted user]
umm....i admit to cheating as soon as i started but i didn't continue, i would also like a fresh start to please peppy can you remove reimuxyukari, reimuxx and reset my main account i've been using for about a year now reimuxmarisa.
i apologize for not abiding by the rules and making multiple accounts


i really am sorry everyone....after reading this forum i have decided to confess and will accept the punishment given out through this offence.
it was done in an attempt to get better :( :( :( :( :(
Cristian
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Cristian
Check this please
Mara
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Joined November 2009
Mara


That's fucking amazing.
Lunah_old
Lunah_old
start power cheats
Verdisphena
4,240 posts
Joined June 2010
Verdisphena

Lunah wrote:

start power cheats
djyellow22
72 posts
Joined July 2010
djyellow22
What.
fGnome
7 posts
Joined July 2010
fGnome
so.. if you hack and admit that you hacked, you wont get banned but your account will be reset, and all the scores and the rank will disappear :?:
Sinistro
osu! Alumni
1,412 posts
Joined January 2008
Sinistro
Maybe. Or you may be banned anyway because people are still doing it even after a bunch of people were banned. It's down to peppy's mercy.
melonlord
6 posts
Joined March 2010
melonlord
Wait whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa here. Look at GioXeR95's page. Here's the link-

http://osu.ppy.sh/u/GioXeR95

First, it says under his profile picture that he's a lv.35
Then, it says under "Current Level" it says that he's a lv.71
...WTF????
----------------------------------------------------------------
I got board so i decided 2 reply 2 this~
Vpalach
150 posts
Joined January 2010
Vpalach
osu lvl 35, ctb 71....
fGnome
7 posts
Joined July 2010
fGnome
What kinda cheats can you use on osu? ... Not that i'm going to use them ^_^←
ShaggoN
689 posts
Joined September 2008
ShaggoN
I don't think saying it here is a good idea. x3
[deleted user]
[deleted user]
I admit to having used flashlight hack.
the hack has been passed to me by a friend of ours and SoftairSnake and did not tell us that they are illegal.
you can control, and I SoftairSnake we have used only a couple of songs 1/9/2010. As soon as we hack them we knew they were deleted.
I have used them only for:

http://osu.ppy.sh/s/9151

http://osu.ppy.sh/s/16804

http://osu.ppy.sh/s/6199

SoftairSnake only for this

http://osu.ppy.sh/s/6199


As soon as we knew we had them hack cinnamon.
this is the truth, I hope you can forgive us, please do

ps.

who has spent the hack is already in the list
I hope you can forgive us, please do :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:
Xoneris
6 posts
Joined December 2010
Xoneris
Hey Guys

A Friend just told me that i am in the List of cheaters. After he told me,i watched of course the List and my Name is really in this List. Now im totaly confused. Because i never cheat in Osu! actually i dont even know you to cheat in osu!...
Can someone tell me why i am in this List? I dont even get a Message or something that tells me i am in this List.
So what is to do know? I would be very angry if my Osu! Account gets banned...

Greetings
Xoneris

PS: Sorry for my bad English ;)
peppy
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peppy
Did someone else have access to your account or PC? You are in the list because you cheated.
[Xin]_old
[Xin]_old
Hello.
There was a crash, then they showed me that I am in the list of cheaters. May be lag in the anti-clude either framed me, or something I do not understand.
Just delete my account (or reset my scores, or ban me by ip, or ban me otherwise) and I will register a new (or not)
Thank you for your attention.
P.S. Tell me, please, about my "cheats". What the cheats I "used"?
peppy
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peppy
Making multiple accounts is a bannable offense. You modified your osu! installation to cheat from the 18th of December until the 16th of January (today).
[Xin]_old
[Xin]_old
Wow.
I cheat 1 month.
Ok. Just ban me.
peppy
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That is the plan.
Miu Matsuoka
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Miu Matsuoka
but is it permitted to open two accounts with one computer? since i have a sister who is now playing osu... :?
I am not sure about this thing so I wanted to make it clear to prevent banning.
peppy
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cheukhin1985 wrote:

but is it permitted to open two accounts with one computer? since i have a sister who is now playing osu... :?
I am not sure about this thing so I wanted to make it clear to prevent banning.
This is fine.
[deleted user]
[deleted user]
This is fine.[/quote]

peppy when we give our punishment?
ps
you reset them instead of banned? I'd love to continue playing ous (honestly), I finally just tried a hack a day :cry: :cry: :cry:
Xoneris
6 posts
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Xoneris

peppy wrote:

Did someone else have access to your account or PC? You are in the list because you cheated.
No not really. Ok my Mother nows my Password but i dont think she downloadet Osu Cheats and played Osu! ...
[deleted user]
[deleted user]
I have admitted to having tried the cheat.
I do not want to stop playing at OSU, you can reset instead of banned?
PLEASE :cry: :cry:
LaceWingfield
392 posts
Joined October 2010
LaceWingfield
does FL cheat applied for Taiko too?
M o C h i Y o
M o C h i Y o
*Soorry for Hacking*
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peppy
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Moloktove wrote:

Sure, Ppy forced me to say this for save my account :
I have admitted to having tried the cheat with a fùking Flaslight Blue [Hacked?]
Let me confirm that Moloktove used a hack to remove the flashlight completely (unlike what he stated above) and has used it since December 14th until yesterday. I actually don't accept the above as admitting to cheating, so unless you properly admit you will still be banned.
M o C h i Y o
M o C h i Y o
Haha, Ok, If u want, I using a FL hacked ...
Tss, Reset is too good for me . I will get somes better stats .
peppy
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I find it strange that people don't even bother to apologise here. Do you really think it is your right to not be banned? Any sane gamemaster would not give you a second chance.

Edit:
01:49 <Moloktove> ppy,
01:49 <Moloktove> Seriously im sorry about that
01:49 <Moloktove> I admit that, I have been using hack
01:50 <Moloktove> now, If u want bo reset or ban me, U can
01:50 <Moloktove> Thanks for this good game and bye .
Claudia_old
571 posts
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Claudia_old

Izayoi Scarlet wrote:

does FL cheat applied for Taiko too?
cheats are cheats, doesn't matter which mode
although, FL cheats in Taiko would give a massively unfair advantage and it'd be pretty obvious if you were hacking, unless everybody knows you're a pro
maay
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maay
Apparently, you can "legally cheat" in Taiko. Get an extra computer by your side and bingo, get the multipliers of hidden, hardrock and flashlight at the price of a few 100s and some money (in case you don't own more than one computer).
mekadon_old
mekadon_old

SuperMaay wrote:

Apparently, you can "legally cheat" in Taiko. Get an extra computer by your side and bingo, get the multipliers of hidden, hardrock and flashlight at the price of a few 100s and some money (in case you don't own more than one computer).
Bump and this. You can, actually do it with multi monitors anyway.
LaceWingfield
392 posts
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LaceWingfield
because for me HD and FL in taiko (1000+ combo) is a bit... IMPOSSIBLE.. OMG
[Cirno from hell]
[Cirno from hell]
I wonder if my apoligy has been read, I have apoligized a while ago, never used hack ever since then. (just curious)
miss_dior
miss_dior
why my name in the list i haven't cheated :(
M o C h i Y o
M o C h i Y o
Hm, Ppy, Why im ban ? It's say i had admitted and got later a Reset account ...
peppy
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SuperMaay wrote:

Apparently, you can "legally cheat" in Taiko. Get an extra computer by your side and bingo, get the multipliers of hidden, hardrock and flashlight at the price of a few 100s and some money (in case you don't own more than one computer).
This is totally frowned upon and I would personally call it cheating.

Anghios:



miss_dior wrote:

why my name in the list i haven't cheated :(
you most definitely have
Ibuki Suika
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Ibuki Suika
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/10112

That is so obvious,but did not anyone to sanctions against him

Waiting Farewell Cheaters #3

I think there are still a lot of cheat at large
Hope can specify a more robust grades censorship(what's wrong with GMT?
Flamebreaker
51 posts
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Flamebreaker
Lol, peppy is so pro at contradicting all these cheaters/hackers.
Go peppy! You are now the "lawyer" I look up to during my path of becoming a lawyer. (Probably not gonna happen, lol)
Anghios_old
Anghios_old
TROLLFACE
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Shiirn
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Shiirn

peppy wrote:

SuperMaay wrote:

Apparently, you can "legally cheat" in Taiko. Get an extra computer by your side and bingo, get the multipliers of hidden, hardrock and flashlight at the price of a few 100s and some money (in case you don't own more than one computer).
This is totally frowned upon and I would personally call it cheating.
Unfortunately, it's rampant in higher level play and also extremely hard to prove. Except for one or two cases involving a touchscreen. (For standard)
Jalatiphra
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Jalatiphra

peppy wrote:

SuperMaay wrote:

Apparently, you can "legally cheat" in Taiko. Get an extra computer by your side and bingo, get the multipliers of hidden, hardrock and flashlight at the price of a few 100s and some money (in case you don't own more than one computer).
This is totally frowned upon and I would personally call it cheating.

whoever does that should not meet me in person :/
miss_dior
miss_dior
i guess you wont believe me but if say i did that means i did sorry i guess :(
peppy
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miss_dior wrote:

i guess you wont believe me but if say i did that means i did sorry i guess :(
11th January, UTC+8 18:54 ~ 20:20.
Daru
osu!painter
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Daru

Shiirn wrote:

Unfortunately, it's rampant in higher level play and also extremely hard to prove. Except for one or two cases involving a touchscreen. (For standard)
What's illegal about touchscreens?
ziin
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ziin

Daru wrote:

What's illegal about touchscreens?
when you play a tag 4 with 4 people on one touchscreen.
Wishy
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Wishy

ziin wrote:

when you play a tag 4 with 4 people on one touchscreen.
Actually by playing alone you have a great advantage since you have two hands, but you can't do streams so whatever...

Daru, thing about touchscreens is that when you see some touchscreen player replays, you gonna see some strange movements, like teleporting/VERY fast moving cursor in strange ways, it almost looks like a bot, but it isn't, you can watch Bikko's replays to see that.
Shiirn
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Shiirn
I wasn't saying that touchscreens were illegal, I was saying that using a touchscreen will make you much more suspicious if you use HD+FL.
Puskin
14 posts
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Puskin
well... someone said miss_dior was cheating, she wasn't... and why perfect____X is not banned yet? wth? X(
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SilentKiller
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SilentKiller
I dont see why you would apologize for cheating lol. Its a game if you get banned you just make another account.
Sakura
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Sakura

superhackybag wrote:

I dont see why you would apologize for cheating lol. Its a game if you get banned you just make another account.
Because making another account is against the rules
laport
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laport

Puskin wrote:

well... someone said miss_dior was cheating, she wasn't... and why perfect____X is not banned yet? wth? X(
miss_dior does not cheat I can second that.
aevv_old
aevv_old
http://www.youtube.com/user/missdior911 ... TmwYiq9f5w



peppy wrote:

11th January, UTC+8 18:54 ~ 20:20.
hmm
Puskin
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Puskin

aevv wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/user/missdior911#p/a/u/2/WTmwYiq9f5w



peppy wrote:

11th January, UTC+8 18:54 ~ 20:20.
hmm
i played the song for the first time, and is not that hard, and if she played long enough could learn it. and just because the song doesn't appear on the profile with too many plays remember there is always offline playing.

Later edit: or the offline playing is a cheat?
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SilentKiller
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SilentKiller

aevv wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/user/missdior911#p/a/u/2/WTmwYiq9f5w



peppy wrote:

11th January, UTC+8 18:54 ~ 20:20.
hmm
Lawl want some lube after that one?
Jarby
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Jarby

Sakura Hana wrote:

superhackybag wrote:

I dont see why you would apologize for cheating lol. Its a game if you get banned you just make another account.
Because making another account is against the rules
You say that as if it wouldn't be painfully simple to bypass this and just make another account that nobody will be suspicious of right now. Realistically, there's not much you could do about it.
Froslass
Beatmap Nominator
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Froslass

Sakura Hana wrote:

superhackybag wrote:

I dont see why you would apologize for cheating lol. Its a game if you get banned you just make another account.
Because making another account is against the rules
Cheating is against the rules too.
Claudia_old
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Claudia_old
didn't mekadon cheat?
says so on the spreadsheet...
peppy
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Yes
Yu Zero
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I'd need to know, what's the point if people using hack in this game for example hack for high scores/ flashlight or something like that
to get more multiple scores for the rank. Isn't that called for showing off? and making other people to get entertain for it? But some of
noobest player are doing like that, though
Firo Prochainezo
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Firo Prochainezo

Yu Zero wrote:

I'd need to know, what's the point if people using hack in this game for example hack for high scores/ flashlight or something like that
to get more multiple scores for the rank. Isn't that called for showing off? and making other people to get entertain for it? But some of
noobest player are doing like that, though
Just to have higher rank / higher level.
Claudia_old
571 posts
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Claudia_old

peppy wrote:

Yes
So why isn't he banned?
Just curious, i'm not trying to get him banned but the punishment said 'BAN', so...he should be banned. o_o
xsrsbsns
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xsrsbsns

E-Hooker wrote:

So why isn't he banned?
Just curious, i'm not trying to get him banned but the punishment said 'BAN', so...he should be banned. o_o
I'm not sure about the verdict but said person has admitted and apologized.
peppy
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They will be banned, at some point.
Claudia_old
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Claudia_old
ah, I see, thanks.
peppy
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Currently applying bans and resets for this batch of cheaters. Thanks to dvorak for help with banning.

Have finally got a pretty decent system up for handling reports and cheaters in a more timely fashion, so expect faster responses from now on!
mycyber
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mycyber
farewell mekadon XD!!!!!
akupp
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akupp
Eh, then how bout mekadon join tournament? @.@
Aisaka_old
Aisaka_old
lol i was resetet because i and my little brother (rabbit99) play on the same PC -.-

that's funny. 1000 kk away :) im so happy



But here an example : Ive a Big Family (10 PPls) and 3 of them play osu ! (only an example)
And u Ban per IP ;O ? all banned rofl
Exotic
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Exotic
HanatoKobato has cheated on this song
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/25249
on Easy
no mods every one in the song with mods
Keksi
987 posts
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Keksi

iExOTiiCzZ wrote:

HanatoKobato has cheated on this song
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/25249
on Easy
no mods every one in the song with mods


Why you don't use the "Report" button ?
Exotic
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Exotic
Why did you Banned miss_dior she cheated but she wont do it again and she will not ever cheat again
Drafura
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Drafura

peppy wrote:

miss_dior wrote:

i guess you wont believe me but if say i did that means i did sorry i guess :(
11th January, UTC+8 18:54 ~ 20:20.
I think it's cause she didn't admit she cheated >.>

I mean saying "oh I didn't cheat but okay i am sorry" is really different than "yes okay i have cheated, I'll never do it again".
peppy
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No, it's because they cheated after admitting to it (#1), and after pleading by email that they would cheat again (#2), and are now using a multi-account to post in this thread.
Drafura
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Drafura
xD Farewell cheater o/
missdior_old
missdior_old
it me miss _dior i admit that i cheated but in second account i didnt know that the hack was still there and im really really sorry i will not hack ever again :(
just give me one last chance with my first account plz i promise i will not cheat ever again
ziin
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ziin

missdior wrote:

it me miss _dior i admit that i cheated but in second account i didnt know that the hack was still there and im really really sorry i will not hack ever again :(
just give me one last chance with my first account plz i promise i will not cheat ever again
lol, you get a second chance, not a third chance.

Though honestly, if osu knows you're cheating somehow automatically, can't osu just refuse the score? And if osu doesn't know that you're cheating automatically and has to rely on top scores, how could you ever not know that the hack was still on?
peppy
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ziin wrote:

Though honestly, if osu knows you're cheating somehow automatically, can't osu just refuse the score? And if osu doesn't know that you're cheating automatically and has to rely on top scores, how could you ever not know that the hack was still on?
Automatically denying scores would make it much easier for cheaters to modify their cheats to bypass the protection.
SilentKiller
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SilentKiller
I still dont understand the need to beg to be unbanned.
Rotiezi
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Rotiezi
Hello,

i want to admit that i have cheated with a program that record my movements and keyboard clicks.
It is called Ghost Control 3
Im really really sorry about doing that.

And sorry that i have created another account. My original is banned (rotioN).

Please give me a last chance, i will never do it, i promise :(

Btw, i am not in the list of the banned users.

- rotioN
peppy
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How about you stop cheating then?
Rotiezi
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Rotiezi
Did i cheated in this account? o.O

Oh, maybe it shows you because it starts on Windows Start.

I have deactivated it now.
Im sorry about that.

Peppy, if you decide to unban me, please delete then this account. (after the supporter tag is gone)
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heintsi
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heintsi

iExOTiiCzZ wrote:

HanatoKobato has cheated on this song
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/25249
on Easy
no mods every one in the song with mods
Haven't seen replay of it, but makes me wonder how it is cheating if you dont use mods and SS a song?
edit: Ah. score is bit too high compared to other who played with mods. can't watch the replay in question atm, but i guess it's because he just spins faster than anybody else.
Rotiezi
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Rotiezi
Haven't seen replay of it, but makes me wonder how it is cheating if you dont use mods and SS a song?
edit: Ah. score is bit too high compared to other who played with mods. can't watch the replay in question atm, but i guess it's because he just spins faster than anybody else.
Yep Thats true, he uses spinner hack, same as
Tororu on http://osu.ppy.sh/b/78965
Easy, Spinner hack

Like this guy

http://osu.ppy.sh/u/osu_apple
http://osu.ppy.sh/b/57416 - Easy
Lunah_old
Lunah_old
lncognito
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lncognito

Lunah wrote:

too bad it only reports the score and not the players ,so they will make more scores until someone bans them.
peppy
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The scores are linked to the players, obviously. It still requires manual intervention to take action, though.
lncognito
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lncognito

peppy wrote:

The scores are linked to the players, obviously. It still requires manual intervention to take action, though.
thats the point, there needs to be a comment bar on the report feature so you dont serch blindly how the player is cheating.

Just a example BakaHvick - http://osu.ppy.sh/u/685806 registr date and the play count
SilentKiller
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SilentKiller

lncognito wrote:

peppy wrote:

The scores are linked to the players, obviously. It still requires manual intervention to take action, though.
thats the point, there needs to be a comment bar on the report feature so you dont serch blindly how the player is cheating.

Just a example BakaHvick - http://osu.ppy.sh/u/685806 registr date and the play count
cry more its just a game lol
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Glass
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superhackybag wrote:

lncognito wrote:

thats the point, there needs to be a comment bar on the report feature so you dont serch blindly how the player is cheating.

Just a example BakaHvick - http://osu.ppy.sh/u/685806 registr date and the play count
cry more its just a game lol
Didn't sound like he was "crying", it was merely a suggestion. Maybe you should stop trolling.
Lunah_old
Lunah_old

superhackybag wrote:

cry more its just a game lol
"Cry" (?) maybe you mean "love", love for this game, because we want it cleaned from cheaters

and this is the reason for why peppy made this anticheat system.
Vish024
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It's just a game. People are bound to cheat. I'm just trying to say that's it's impossible to put an end to it. Still, the report system may have its flaws but its better than nothing. Keep up the good work pepps.
peppy
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I stress that you guys focus on enjoying yourself, rather than dwelling on the cheaters. They probably get a kick out of frustrating you guys, so instead just ignore them. Report them, then ignore them ;).
ziin
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ziin

peppy wrote:

I stress that you guys focus on enjoying yourself, rather than dwelling on the cheaters. They probably get a kick out of frustrating you guys, so instead just ignore them. Report them, then ignore them ;).
this.

I think its important to note that we the regular users of osu! do not handle cheaters/score reports. That's (probably) left up to the few admins we have (as it rightly should be). I'm pretty sure they know the current system and will make improvements based on their needs. Since we can't use the system, how can we say what to do to improve it?
peppy
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peppy
Banned a few more cheaters tonight, with the reliable help of dvorak (thanks again). Spreadsheet updated.
Mesita
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Joined November 2009
Mesita
hey i just wanted to ask why ignacio was banned ?
In the spreadsheet it says in comments "Freddo".. i guess then he was banned for multi account? If that is so ... i think that account was never used (joined 2 july from 2010, and last visit 2 july from 2010).

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