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Omoi - Chiisana Koi no Uta (Synth Rock Cover) [Osu|Taiko]

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Xinnoh
@kroytz

Kroytz wrote:

Monstrata
Kroytz' EX EX
00:53:512 (1,2,3) - Ignores the vocal's rhythms really hard, even though you focused on the vocal rhythm on the measure before: 00:51:330 (1,2,3,4,5,1) - Basically i want to see 00:53:921 - clickable, and 00:54:058 (3) - not clickable. yeah.. :[ This wasn't addressed
01:02:239 (1,2,3) - Same issue here.
01:09:603 (5,6) - This jump is really hard to justify simply due to how weak 6 actually is. My rhythm here is pretty obvious cuz like, on extended vocals its sliders and when the vocals say something instead of hold, then the circles act as the playing object. This wasn't addressed. You explained your rhythm but not the spacing.
01:11:921 (6) - Same etc... You should be using more sliders here.
01:33:401 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - Very random 1/2 clicking rhythm that you don't replicate elsewhere in the entire section. Love me some variety :> then add it to other places ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
01:40:966 (2,3) - Should be a slider tbh. Then 01:41:227 (4) - two circles. Just listen to the hitsounds, they don't reflect your clicking rhythm :(. And then 01:41:488 (5,6) - slider. aaa but the vocal D: yeah the drums do some weird stuff but this vocal stood out to me more than the rest so its slider for that vocal, and then two circle for the drum-clap stuff ;; You could ctrl-g the whole pattern and it would also work
01:45:923 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - Follow vocal rhythm instead. Jump spam here isn't good because you aren't following any distinct layer. The music is really muffly here so you'd only be able to justify "i'm following instrument layer" here but not any specific instrument because there is nothing that is both easy to follow, and also hits every single 1/2. (An argument can of course be made for "something follows every 1/2 tick here" but not "something follows every 1/2 tick here and is easily identifyable") My only argument for this is producing a climax before the next period which is really really soft in contrast. Jump spam -> high distance sliders -> leads into a stream -> and then next period its all soft now. strict pattern will not always follow conventional mapping things but visually looks nice to me and achieves what its intention was for so.. This isn't a climax tho lol, increasing intensity here makes the actual climaxes feel less intense since hard patterns are used on places without strong music.
01:59:749 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - This is two sets of 6's. not 3 sets of 4's. The roll ends on 02:00:140 - So do something that reflects that with your stream structure. Two set of 6s sound kind of weird to me too... I know my stream is slightly inaccurate too but I'll look more into this and see what I can change. I'd hate to have to use a kickslider in the midst of this but I hear 6/2/6 so idk for sure. For me I just simplified it because I didn't know what really is happening with the drums, the claps, and yeah. But I'll look into it >< still need to look I guess since it's not changed
02:52:390 (2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2) - These should all be sliders and you know that. :( Only 02:54:140 (3,4) - should be circles for the drums. there's no heaven for me monstrata... im dirty sinful mapper who loves his climaxes ;A; Not returning until this one is addressed, the section at 02:51:140 (1) - is literally identical regarding intensity.
Kroytz
Response to Sinnoh that I didn't quote because idk it would be kind of long but they're responses to Sinnoh ok
00:53:512 (1,2,3) - Ignores the vocal's rhythms really hard, even though you focused on the vocal rhythm on the measure before: 00:51:330 (1,2,3,4,5,1) - Basically i want to see 00:53:921 - clickable, and 00:54:058 (3) - not clickable. this is just a matter of rhythm choices, and there are many choices to go for here so I mean, I just chose one I felt was fitting for my perception of the song and map.

01:09:603 (5,6) - This jump is really hard to justify simply due to how weak 6 actually is. (6) is mapped weaker evidently in the map... everything else is spaced higher so idk what you mean lol but yeah

01:40:966 (2,3) - Should be a slider tbh. Then 01:41:227 (4) - two circles. Just listen to the hitsounds, they don't reflect your clicking rhythm :(. And then 01:41:488 (5,6) - slider so again it's like, drums can do circle-circle-slider and that works. and you can look for the vocal and do slider-circle-circle. both rhythms work and as I said, I liked hitting the vocals for this because they stand out more to me

01:45:923 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - Follow vocal rhythm instead. Jump spam here isn't good because you aren't following any distinct layer. The music is really muffly here so you'd only be able to justify "i'm following instrument layer" here but not any specific instrument because there is nothing that is both easy to follow, and also hits every single 1/2. (An argument can of course be made for "something follows every 1/2 tick here" but not "something follows every 1/2 tick here and is easily identifyable") You'd have to elaborate some more Sinnoh because ending strongly on a period isn't inherently wrong. It's not like this is a big big climax but an artificial climax nonetheless. It helps for the spaced stream and acts as a clean pattern to me. It helps with the contrast on the slow sliders part. If I make this incredibly weak, the sliders feel blended to the previous measure rather than a contrast, which is what I want here.

01:59:749 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - This is two sets of 6's. not 3 sets of 4's. The roll ends on 02:00:140 - So do something that reflects that with your stream structure. I looked at it and unchanged because everything is weird here zzz. you can suggest something too Sinnoh because the drums are finicky. My previous reasoning was just simplying the rhythm to 4/4/4/4 since that's a pretty typical way to manage the phrase. the 4/4/4/4 -> 8/8 subdivision.

02:52:390 (2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2) - These should all be sliders and you know that. :( Only 02:54:140 (3,4) - should be circles for the drums. It's not identical Sinnoh. 02:51:140 (1,2,3,4,1) - this part you linked still holds extended vocals like before, which is why they are sliders. the circles are then placed for building up the climax before the kiai
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Omoya
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Xinnoh
It's not Tuesday

General
Check ai mod
Remove Razor Sharp, Ken and omoi from tags
The white combo colour 3 is too bright, RC requires it below 220 luminosity

Extreme
00:19:558 (7,1) - This jump could be increased a little, 1 is pretty strong
00:32:239 (3,4) - Jump is really out of place, please reduce
02:41:890 (5) - Rotating this 180 degrees + ctrl-g, would be easier to flow, the next part at 02:45:140 (1) - has no flow breaks, so better consistency with that

Marianna
01:06:603 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - Flow is kinda wat here, you need to travel extra distance from tail of 1 to reach 01:06:944 (2) - , would change to make easier if possible, since it’s harder than the last kiai of this
01:07:285 (6) - move to the center of the triangle 01:07:421 (7,8,1) -

01:47:619 (1,1) - Decrease the distance here so it’s a bit more readable like 00:19:694 (1,1) -
01:53:227 (1) - does the head need a snare
03:36:265 (1,2,3) - I don’t think this part works. Right now the distance between the objects is a 3/4 gap. Normally sliders like this are used on 3/4 rhythm, but you used it on 1/1 rhythm D: Increase the spacing between these so that it’s easier to read the 3/4 rhythm

Kawashiro
00:09:876 (1,2,3) - there is nothing to hitsound here wat
01:56:358 (1,2,3) - This section is too hard, avoid using large distance snap changes on 1/1 gaps since they’re hard to read. That + the jump from 2 -> 3 will kill newbie combos
02:20:097 (5) - this is wayyy more comfortable to play https://puu.sh/zAYrT/ff70a5ca45.png
02:54:140 (5) - Would suggest doing this instead, it has lower spacing but it emphasises it better because it’s different. https://puu.sh/zAYuv/f3b67d9852.png
03:36:265 (2,3) - Rhythm needs to change here, would just ctrl-g for better rhythm.

Alphabet
00:41:512 (1) - Avoid weird slider shapes for low diff, weird to read. Try to make it overlap less
00:54:603 (1) - ya just point the tail at the next circle and would be fine
01:06:603 (3) - & 02:19:314 (3) - & 03:26:140 (3) - Strong sound is on the white tick here D: just use two 1/1 circles to emphasise this part instead
01:07:830 (1) - Would prefer if you can add more spinner recovery time somehow since this is borderline wew due to bpm
01:21:876 (4) - Putting 4 on the left side of 3 and 5 would be easier to follow, since it’s just one curve instead of direction changes.
02:28:966 (1) - shorten spinner by 2 beats, just easier that way with recovery time
03:27:390 (1) - iirc 3 beats of recovery is required at 240bpm
Topic Starter
val0108
Nice aniki avatar.
I'll check MOD.
Topic Starter
val0108

Sinnoh wrote:

General
Check ai mod
Remove Razor Sharp, Ken and omoi from tags
The white combo colour 3 is too bright, RC requires it below 220 luminosity I changed 219 all diff

Extreme
00:19:558 (7,1) - This jump could be increased a little, 1 is pretty strong
00:32:239 (3,4) - Jump is really out of place, please reduce
02:41:890 (5) - Rotating this 180 degrees + ctrl-g, would be easier to flow, the next part at 02:45:140 (1) - has no flow breaks, so better consistency with that
ALL Fixed.

Thanks!
Marianna

Sinnoh wrote:

Marianna
01:06:603 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - Flow is kinda wat here, you need to travel extra distance from tail of 1 to reach 01:06:944 (2) - , would change to make easier if possible, since it’s harder than the last kiai of this
01:07:285 (6) - move to the center of the triangle 01:07:421 (7,8,1) - ok

01:47:619 (1,1) - Decrease the distance here so it’s a bit more readable like 00:19:694 (1,1) - ok
01:53:227 (1) - does the head need a snare yy
03:36:265 (1,2,3) - I don’t think this part works. Right now the distance between the objects is a 3/4 gap. Normally sliders like this are used on 3/4 rhythm, but you used it on 1/1 rhythm D: Increase the spacing between these so that it’s easier to read the 3/4 rhythm for me its okay, it plays well
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Aistre
@Sinnoh changed everything except for 01:06:603 (3) - etc. because I'm prioritizing vocals more, and emphasizing it with the longer slider makes more emphasis imo

https://alphabooty.s-ul.eu/D8HtBctN
also val could you add Venax to tags thx
Topic Starter
val0108

Venax wrote:

@Sinnoh changed everything except for 01:06:603 (3) - etc. because I'm prioritizing vocals more, and emphasizing it with the longer slider makes more emphasis imo

https://alphabooty.s-ul.eu/D8HtBctN
also val could you add Venax to tags thx
I add your name.
Kawashiro

Sinnoh wrote:

Kawashiro
00:09:876 (1,2,3) - there is nothing to hitsound here wat - booboo, I think it is fit as the song bcuz drum starts at here.
01:56:358 (1,2,3) - This section is too hard, avoid using large distance snap changes on 1/1 gaps since they’re hard to read. That + the jump from 2 -> 3 will kill newbie combos - I can only agree it on 01:52:445 (3,4) - here and 01:54:532 (2,3) - these. But 3rd and 4th thing have enough strong sounds to put harsh flow and large space imo
02:20:097 (5) - this is wayyy more comfortable to play https://puu.sh/zAYrT/ff70a5ca45.png - It also looks fine but I wanna keep my own idea
02:54:140 (5) - Would suggest doing this instead, it has lower spacing but it emphasises it better because it’s different. https://puu.sh/zAYuv/f3b67d9852.png - 02:53:140 (1,2,3,4,5) - these 5 star-shaped sliders are the most important symbol of this diff.
03:36:265 (2,3) - Rhythm needs to change here, would just ctrl-g for better rhythm. - agree
sry for dlay val

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456,88,172890,1,0,0:0:0:0:
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306,21,175765,1,2,0:0:0:0:
382,45,175890,2,0,L|438:41,1,50,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
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268,248,176765,1,2,0:0:0:0:
268,248,176890,2,0,P|251:229|228:219,1,50,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
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28,192,177765,1,2,0:0:0:0:
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320,220,178890,1,8,0:0:0:0:
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24,368,180890,2,0,P|11:346|9:321,1,50,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
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324,287,181515,1,0,0:0:0:0:
324,287,181640,2,0,P|331:263|327:238,1,50,2|2,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
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260,180,183765,1,2,0:0:0:0:
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344,24,188765,1,2,0:0:0:0:
344,24,188890,2,0,P|351:47|350:72,1,50,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
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168,286,190515,1,0,3:3:0:0:
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440,24,191890,2,0,P|415:23|393:33,1,50,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
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500,56,194890,1,8,0:0:0:0:
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192,284,197140,6,0,B|171:276|171:276|115:288|115:288|95:281,1,100,2|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
47,216,197515,1,0,0:0:0:0:
47,216,197640,2,0,P|67:201|91:198,1,50,2|2,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
91,117,197890,2,0,P|66:113|46:99,1,50,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
94,34,198140,2,0,B|114:27|114:27|170:39|170:39|191:31,1,100,2|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
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112,164,200765,1,2,0:0:0:0:
112,164,200890,2,0,P|119:187|115:212,1,50,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
240,316,201140,6,0,P|248:256|280:236,1,100,2|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
324,172,201515,1,0,0:0:0:0:
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396,252,202515,2,0,B|408:228|396:204|396:204|384:180|396:156,1,100,0|2,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
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380,268,205515,1,0,0:0:0:0:
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252,344,206140,5,2,0:0:0:0:
143,223,206390,1,8,3:3:0:0:
143,223,206515,1,8,3:3:0:0:
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88,116,206890,2,0,P|107:100|131:96,1,50,2|2,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
200,52,207140,6,0,B|252:86|268:94|268:94|332:126|332:206|284:238|284:238|236:270|236:350|284:350|332:350|332:270|284:238|284:238|236:206|236:126|300:94|300:94|316:86|370:55,1,750,4|0,0:1|0:0,0:0:0:0:
444,24,209140,5,2,0:0:0:0:
496,168,209390,2,0,P|497:192|488:220,1,50,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
416,188,209640,2,0,L|360:184,1,50,2|2,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
296,148,209890,2,0,P|288:171|289:196,1,50,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
408,308,210140,6,0,P|415:284|414:259,2,50,2|0|8,0:0|0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
336,344,210515,1,0,0:0:0:0:
336,344,210640,2,0,L|280:352,1,50,2|2,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
205,351,210890,2,0,L|149:343,1,50,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
132,268,211140,6,0,B|84:308|84:308|32:268|32:268|-20:228|20:148|84:196|84:196|132:164|180:196|180:196|228:228|276:196|276:196|324:164|320:92|264:40|208:64,1,700,4|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
56,104,213140,6,0,P|31:106|8:97,2,50,2|0|8,0:0|0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
132,128,213515,1,0,0:0:0:0:
132,128,213640,2,0,L|188:128,1,50,2|2,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
256,164,213890,2,0,P|257:188|248:211,1,50,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
108,292,214140,6,0,L|44:284,2,50,2|0|8,0:0|0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
188,296,214515,1,0,0:0:0:0:
188,296,214640,2,0,P|212:301|232:316,1,50,2|2,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
288,376,214890,2,0,P|307:361|332:355,1,50,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
448,244,215140,6,0,P|428:228|417:206,1,50,4|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
408,128,215390,2,0,L|416:76,1,50,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
344,40,215640,2,0,P|328:59|306:70,1,50,2|2,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
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412,264,218015,1,2,0:0:0:0:
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112,276,219515,1,8,3:3:0:0:
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Topic Starter
val0108
Okay.

ALL uploaded!!
Xinnoh
I edited stuff to be a proper taiko od

General
kroytz unicode title is different
normal-hitnormal3 has some delay, use this instead
For taiko, Maybe storyboard the bg down so that her face isn't covered? idk if that would break the sb

General Taiko

The scroll speed is too fast by the end due to the bpm changes, use lower scroll speeds
02:55:140 (1) - why is there no kiai?

Muzukashii
00:38:376 (4) - the 1.5/1 gap at 00:37:421 (1,2) - makes this section pretty hard to guess, removing the triple and or lowering density would help make this more playable
00:40:558 (1) - Would avoid triples since this section is already much denser
01:06:739 (2) - Deleting this note after the triples would make the finishes in the next section much easier to handle, not much sound here either
02:08:619 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,1,2,3,1,1,2,3,1,2,1,2,3,1,2,3) - There's just too many triples in this section, please remove some. Try matching the triple density of 03:00:140 (1) -
02:39:140 (1) - This section would probably be better with lower density since it's identical to oni. Compare density between diffs in a similar density area at 00:02:239 (2) -

Like in general, use of triples really started increasing through the map, but I don't think it's really needed. The bpm alone is enough to make the map more difficult, removing some of the triples to match the density of the first kiai would probably make it acceptable as a muzu.
Tomoka Rin
[Oni]
i think sv is in a wrong value (SliderMultiplier:1.40188748454717), need to adjust it.
Topic Starter
val0108

Sinnoh wrote:

General
kroytz unicode title is different Fixed
normal-hitnormal3 has some delay, use this instead Fixed


Taiko Diffs

02:39:140 (1) - This section on muzu would probably be better with lower density since it's identical to oni. Compare density between diffs in a similar density area at 00:02:239 (2) -
02:55:140 (1) - why is there no kiai?
Maybe storyboard the bg down so that her face isn't covered? idk if that would break the sb

did a taiko bn approve this
[All diff]
I changed .osu(I added .osb coede) file.
and I deleated .osb file.

Thanks!!!
Kroytz
Fixed some small hitsounds and NC mistakes
code
http://puu.sh/zRGmN/bd12a4edc2.osu <- fix the unicode title on this again please ><
Zonthem
Warning !

In Marianna's Insane, pauses are totally fucked up while playing.
A puase starts at 01:11:785 - and no pauses at 01:22:967 -

Also pauses pop randomly at 01:48:010 -

I thougth it was a corrupt version of my files, i delete and re-dl and the issue appears again so i admit it comes from your map

Edit : I tested it with a friend, the issue appears again so it comes from the map
Topic Starter
val0108

Kroytz wrote:

Fixed some small hitsounds and NC mistakes
code
http://puu.sh/zRGmN/bd12a4edc2.osu <- fix the unicode title on this again please ><
Done!
Topic Starter
val0108

Zonthem wrote:

Warning !

In Marianna's Insane, pauses are totally fucked up while playing.
A puase starts at 01:11:785 - and no pauses at 01:22:967 -

Also pauses pop randomly at 01:48:010 -

I thougth it was a corrupt version of my files, i delete and re-dl and the issue appears again so i admit it comes from your map

Edit : I tested it with a friend, the issue appears again so it comes from the map
WTF!!

Apparently it was happening with ALL difficulties!!
Probably the OSB changed bug.

All Fixed just now!!thanks!
OnosakiHito

Sinnoh wrote:

SPOILER
I edited stuff to be a proper taiko od

General
kroytz unicode title is different
normal-hitnormal3 has some delay, use this instead
For taiko, Maybe storyboard the bg down so that her face isn't covered? idk if that would break the sb

General Taiko

The scroll speed is too fast by the end due to the bpm changes, use lower scroll speeds I assume this was fixed by val.
02:55:140 (1) - why is there no kiai? Because that's not the actual chorus. It starts at 03:11:140 -. I would place it sooner, 03:11:140 - wouldn't have that much of an impact.

Muzukashii
00:38:376 (4) - the 1.5/1 gap at 00:37:421 (1,2) - makes this section pretty hard to guess, removing the triple and or lowering density would help make this more playable Changed, as well as the whole section by deleting some notes to give Muzukashii players some rest moments.
00:40:558 (1) - Would avoid triples since this section is already much denser I didn't avoid the tripplets but added rest moments instead.
01:06:739 (2) - Deleting this note after the triples would make the finishes in the next section much easier to handle, not much sound here either Good idea!
02:08:619 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,1,2,3,1,1,2,3,1,2,1,2,3,1,2,3) - There's just too many triples in this section, please remove some. Try matching the triple density of 03:00:140 (1) - That's not true. Theamount of tripplets is appropriate for a Muzukashii. However, what can be argued about is if it is too tiring for lower players on a BPM 230 song. If I would change this, I would need to find another way to emphasize the vocals but keep the consistent use of kat tripplet use.
02:39:140 (1) - This section would probably be better with lower density since it's identical to oni. Compare density between diffs in a similar density area at 00:02:239 (2) - That's no problem at all since those are very basic patterns which follow the distinctive guitar in the background.

Like in general, use of triples really started increasing through the map, but I don't think it's really needed. The bpm alone is enough to make the map more difficult, removing some of the triples to match the density of the first kiai would probably make it acceptable as a muzu. The problem was probably less about the tripplets and rather the consecutive way of mapping which made it very tiring after some time to play these patterns. That's why I made many of the patterns shorter to give people some rest moments when playing. However I will have to think about refining the use of tripplets tho. It still feely a bit wonky.
Thank you for your mod!

Download: https://puu.sh/zUF7j/9fe223103b.7z
Topic Starter
val0108
OK.

Uploaded.
hikiko-
wow i haven't used mv1 in a while. similarly, i haven't seen an ono map being pushed for rank in a while -- okaeri!
also lol @ each of the difficulties being one diff icon up
[General]
re: spread - i kind of hesitate to call the muzu a muzu given its bpm and patterning in the kiais. if anything it leans on the side of being a "light oni." either way the oni is definitely an inner oni given the density and the length of some of the streams, especially at 220-240bpm
i hate to say this but i would suggest duplicating the current muzu, then buffing one and nerfing the other so that you have a proper muzu and oni for spread purposes
in the "new" muzu i'd also advise nerfing the sv changes, if not remove them entirely, since in their current state they're definitely pretty drastic for the lowest taiko diff in the set
[Ono's Muzukashii]
in general this diff feels like a lot of sparser drum-based mapping with a bunch of noticeably denser bars interspersed throughout the kiais. the disparity isn't *that* large but it's definitely there, so you could probably alleviate it by buffing some of the scarcer portions and evening things out
00:01:967 (1) - change to k since the melody's moving up in pitch @ 00:01:694 (1,1) - . the change would also allow the D on the guitar entrance to have more impact
00:38:376 (2,3,4) - changing this to kkk would make this bar more comfortable to play, especially for muzu-level players. it would also structurally make sense since you'd have two sections with kkk (00:38:376 (2,3,4) - and 00:40:558 (1,2,3) - ) and two sections with ddd (00:43:012 (1,2,3) - and 00:45:194 (1,2,3) - ) during this buildup
01:48:793 (2,3,4) - why are these three all 1/2 triplets in the muzu but 1/1 doublets in the oni? should probably get flipped
01:06:398 (2) - even though this pair of triplets is at the end of a phrase it still could be seen as a bit difficult, so consider deleting this note
01:16:217 (2) - this one probably warrants deletion a bit more though
02:39:140 - this passage needs a rest moment somewhere; probably easiest to delete 02:42:390 (1) -
03:05:765 - from a cursory glance, you don't seem to have a break longer than 1/1 from here to the end so that would be something to consider when revising the spread
[Ono's Oni]
this'll mostly be patterning things
00:18:876 (1,1,1) - having this as ddd would flow better since the pattern wouldn't be d k dkd k d (alternating colors with a snapping change)
general question about your sv usage: why is 00:20:785 - this section 1.20x when the build up to the kiai @ 00:38:239 - and the kiai itself @ 00:50:239 - are both 1.00x? you've got the section with the lowest density having the highest sv, and then when the buildup hits (the part with the highest density) your sv actually drops
00:40:217 (1,2) - delete these 2 notes and put a k @ 00:40:285 - instead; maintains the rhythmic buildup you have going on while also improving the flow
00:56:239 (2,3) - change these two to k - makes for variety with 00:55:694 (1,2,3,4,1) - and flows better
01:08:239 (5,6) - , 01:10:421 (5,6) - , 01:12:603 (5,6) - you could change these all to d to follow the drums. if your goal with having them all be ks was to emphasize the held vocal, the consecutive 1/2 already has that effect. alternatively if you wanted to have some variation, only change note 5 to a d @ 01:10:421 -
01:15:739 (1,1) - ctrl+g these two to highlight vocal entrance @ 01:15:876 -
01:22:421 (1,2) - these notes are definitely less impactful than the kiai that just finished so they don't really need to be Ks (although i guess if you wanted it to forecast what's to come then it makes sense)
01:59:814 (1) - 02:00:206 (1) - 02:00:597 (1) - 02:00:858 (1) - (i can't highlight these all at the same time bc of your combo system LOL) - changing these two k would make this part play a bit better bc the patterns would have more forward momentum
02:03:271 (3,4) - change to d maybe? would feel less spammy and sort of align with how the vocals are shaped
02:10:314 (2) - similar to a suggestion from before - change this to d and both 02:10:445 (1,2) - to k
02:11:227 (3) - make this k to go with the drums, then change 02:11:619 (2,3) - to d. makes it flow better and be a little less monocolor
02:12:010 - to 02:20:358 - you seem to really like ddddk here, i'd suggest diversifying it a bit
02:20:358 - same point from 00:56:239 - applies here, and 02:28:053 (1,1) - ctrl+g this for the same reason as 01:15:739 -
02:46:390 - i'd change the sv multiplier here to be 0.50x so that the "ninja" finisher effect isn't as drastic
02:51:140 - you could do a smooth sv transition up to 0.75x here, since with the addition of the held guitar note the pace of the song picks up here
03:00:640 (2,3) - change these two to k for the same reason as before
03:09:515 (2,1,2) - same suggestion as before: change first highlighted note to a d and latter two to ks
03:14:702 (1,1) - ctrl+g these so that the pattern is ddkkd because dkdkd at 240bpm does not play too nicely
03:22:640 - similarly i'd suggest doing kkddkkk here instead of dkdkddk
03:27:140 - also refer to the point from 00:56:239 here
call me back and i can look at stuff again, gl
AchsanLovers
when? :lol:
Goodhew
plz get rank
Topic Starter
val0108
One year passed since I upload this lol
bbu
ranked when osu! ? ? ?
OnosakiHito
Sorry for being so late. University. Work. Alumni. :|

hikikochan wrote:

wow i haven't used mv1 in a while. similarly, i haven't seen an ono map being pushed for rank in a while -- okaeri! thx thx
also lol @ each of the difficulties being one diff icon up
SPOILER
[General]
re: spread - i kind of hesitate to call the muzu a muzu given its bpm and patterning in the kiais. if anything it leans on the side of being a "light oni." either way the oni is definitely an inner oni given the density and the length of some of the streams, especially at 220-240bpm
i hate to say this but i would suggest duplicating the current muzu, then buffing one and nerfing the other so that you have a proper muzu and oni for spread purposes
in the "new" muzu i'd also advise nerfing the sv changes, if not remove them entirely, since in their current state they're definitely pretty drastic for the lowest taiko diff in the set I don't know how much the meaning of Oni changed during my absence as well as mapping in general, so see my words as past ones: There is no real determination as in what makes an Inner Oni beside the possible change in density compared to another Oni of the same set. Usually you have either one Oni, nvm how hard it is, or two Onis which one of them is the stepping stone from Muzu to the "real Oni" aka Inner Oni. So for current case, it doesn't matter whether you call it just Oni or Inner Oni.

As for that spread problem, first it must be said that there is no spread. You can't have a spread between two difficulties; only with three and up going. But to address to your actual concern, if people think another Muzukashii is needed, then we need another Mapper since I can't make another difficulty on this set (would have more maps than the uploader)(edit: okay, I just saw that val actually made more difficulties during by absence LOL). I would argue about whether this is or is not a Muzukashii since the patterns in itself are not naturally hard but rather harder because of the BPM which I can agree with. As compromise I can make some patterns a bit shorter, but that would be it. We could either go for two diffs which represent their difficulty but have a high difference between each other, or we just add another difficulty. I wouldn't be able to make one tho since I don't have the time anymore for it.



[Ono's Muzukashii]
in general this diff feels like a lot of sparser drum-based mapping with a bunch of noticeably denser bars interspersed throughout the kiais. the disparity isn't *that* large but it's definitely there, so you could probably alleviate it by buffing some of the scarcer portions and evening things out
01:48:793 (2,3,4) - why are these three all 1/2 triplets in the muzu but 1/1 doublets in the oni? should probably get flipped instead I just deleted them in the muzu
02:39:140 - this passage needs a rest moment somewhere; probably easiest to delete 02:42:390 (1) - To be honest, I don't see why a rest moment is needed while this is one of the most easiest parts in the Muzukashii. It is not difficulty nor very draining. Yet I removed it because it works with the vocal nicely.
03:05:765 - from a cursory glance, you don't seem to have a break longer than 1/1 from here to the end so that would be something to consider when revising the spread 03:02:390 (2) - deleted

[Ono's Oni]
this'll mostly be patterning things
00:18:876 (1,1,1) - having this as ddd would flow better since the pattern wouldn't be d k dkd k d (alternating colors with a snapping change) instead I moved 00:18:876 (1,1) - one 1/4 backwards. I just placed them wrong.
general question about your sv usage: why is 00:20:785 - this section 1.20x when the build up to the kiai @ 00:38:239 - and the kiai itself @ 00:50:239 - are both 1.00x? you've got the section with the lowest density having the highest sv, and then when the buildup hits (the part with the highest density) your sv actually drops There are different ways you can give parts a certain impact and layer them by importance. In this case I use a higher SV for the first section to be fair to the higher tone in voice which is more dynamic. The second part however contains more 1/4 and hence has a higher density which gives this part a more importance especially since it should forcast the upcoming kiai. The kiai itself is more of a compromise between the tone and use of vocals as well as the beats in the song by having not too many notes which can work as "reversed impact" by having less notes than more.
01:08:239 (5,6) - , 01:10:421 (5,6) - , 01:12:603 (5,6) - you could change these all to d to follow the drums. if your goal with having them all be ks was to emphasize the held vocal, the consecutive 1/2 already has that effect. alternatively if you wanted to have some variation, only change note 5 to a d @ 01:10:421 - Yeah, the reason were the held vocals but also to give the dons more impact when in use. It gives the whole section a nice structure and give the dons more impact the more frequently they are used.
01:22:421 (1,2) - these notes are definitely less impactful than the kiai that just finished so they don't really need to be Ks (although i guess if you wanted it to forecast what's to come then it makes sense) Yep, that's right.
01:59:814 (1) - 02:00:206 (1) - 02:00:597 (1) - 02:00:858 (1) - (i can't highlight these all at the same time bc of your combo system LOL) - changing these two k would make this part play a bit better bc the patterns would have more forward momentum Jesus, this is good. Thanks
02:51:140 - you could do a smooth sv transition up to 0.75x here, since with the addition of the held guitar note the pace of the song picks up here I listened to this part now a few times, but somehow I can't arrange myself with the idea to add an increase of x0.75 here. The pace seems to be pretty much the same until 02:55:140 - kicks in.
03:22:640 - similarly i'd suggest doing kkddkkk here instead of dkdkddk using dkddkkk instead.
03:27:140 - also refer to the point from 00:56:239 here
call me back and i can look at stuff again, gl
Thank you for now for your mod. It was quite good. Everything I didn't answer to was applied.
Download: https://puu.sh/AwnRH/d1e8e860c6.7z
Topic Starter
val0108

OnosakiHito wrote:

Sorry for being so late. University. Work. Alumni. :|

hikikochan wrote:

wow i haven't used mv1 in a while. similarly, i haven't seen an ono map being pushed for rank in a while -- okaeri! thx thx
also lol @ each of the difficulties being one diff icon up
SPOILER
[General]
re: spread - i kind of hesitate to call the muzu a muzu given its bpm and patterning in the kiais. if anything it leans on the side of being a "light oni." either way the oni is definitely an inner oni given the density and the length of some of the streams, especially at 220-240bpm
i hate to say this but i would suggest duplicating the current muzu, then buffing one and nerfing the other so that you have a proper muzu and oni for spread purposes
in the "new" muzu i'd also advise nerfing the sv changes, if not remove them entirely, since in their current state they're definitely pretty drastic for the lowest taiko diff in the set I don't know how much the meaning of Oni changed during my absence as well as mapping in general, so see my words as past ones: There is no real determination as in what makes an Inner Oni beside the possible change in density compared to another Oni of the same set. Usually you have either one Oni, nvm how hard it is, or two Onis which one of them is the stepping stone from Muzu to the "real Oni" aka Inner Oni. So for current case, it doesn't matter whether you call it just Oni or Inner Oni.

As for that spread problem, first it must be said that there is no spread. You can't have a spread between two difficulties; only with three and up going. But to address to your actual concern, if people think another Muzukashii is needed, then we need another Mapper since I can't make another difficulty on this set (would have more maps than the uploader)(edit: okay, I just saw that val actually made more difficulties during by absence LOL). I would argue about whether this is or is not a Muzukashii since the patterns in itself are not naturally hard but rather harder because of the BPM which I can agree with. As compromise I can make some patterns a bit shorter, but that would be it. We could either go for two diffs which represent their difficulty but have a high difference between each other, or we just add another difficulty. I wouldn't be able to make one tho since I don't have the time anymore for it.



[Ono's Muzukashii]
in general this diff feels like a lot of sparser drum-based mapping with a bunch of noticeably denser bars interspersed throughout the kiais. the disparity isn't *that* large but it's definitely there, so you could probably alleviate it by buffing some of the scarcer portions and evening things out
01:48:793 (2,3,4) - why are these three all 1/2 triplets in the muzu but 1/1 doublets in the oni? should probably get flipped instead I just deleted them in the muzu
02:39:140 - this passage needs a rest moment somewhere; probably easiest to delete 02:42:390 (1) - To be honest, I don't see why a rest moment is needed while this is one of the most easiest parts in the Muzukashii. It is not difficulty nor very draining. Yet I removed it because it works with the vocal nicely.
03:05:765 - from a cursory glance, you don't seem to have a break longer than 1/1 from here to the end so that would be something to consider when revising the spread 03:02:390 (2) - deleted

[Ono's Oni]
this'll mostly be patterning things
00:18:876 (1,1,1) - having this as ddd would flow better since the pattern wouldn't be d k dkd k d (alternating colors with a snapping change) instead I moved 00:18:876 (1,1) - one 1/4 backwards. I just placed them wrong.
general question about your sv usage: why is 00:20:785 - this section 1.20x when the build up to the kiai @ 00:38:239 - and the kiai itself @ 00:50:239 - are both 1.00x? you've got the section with the lowest density having the highest sv, and then when the buildup hits (the part with the highest density) your sv actually drops There are different ways you can give parts a certain impact and layer them by importance. In this case I use a higher SV for the first section to be fair to the higher tone in voice which is more dynamic. The second part however contains more 1/4 and hence has a higher density which gives this part a more importance especially since it should forcast the upcoming kiai. The kiai itself is more of a compromise between the tone and use of vocals as well as the beats in the song by having not too many notes which can work as "reversed impact" by having less notes than more.
01:08:239 (5,6) - , 01:10:421 (5,6) - , 01:12:603 (5,6) - you could change these all to d to follow the drums. if your goal with having them all be ks was to emphasize the held vocal, the consecutive 1/2 already has that effect. alternatively if you wanted to have some variation, only change note 5 to a d @ 01:10:421 - Yeah, the reason were the held vocals but also to give the dons more impact when in use. It gives the whole section a nice structure and give the dons more impact the more frequently they are used.
01:22:421 (1,2) - these notes are definitely less impactful than the kiai that just finished so they don't really need to be Ks (although i guess if you wanted it to forecast what's to come then it makes sense) Yep, that's right.
01:59:814 (1) - 02:00:206 (1) - 02:00:597 (1) - 02:00:858 (1) - (i can't highlight these all at the same time bc of your combo system LOL) - changing these two k would make this part play a bit better bc the patterns would have more forward momentum Jesus, this is good. Thanks
02:51:140 - you could do a smooth sv transition up to 0.75x here, since with the addition of the held guitar note the pace of the song picks up here I listened to this part now a few times, but somehow I can't arrange myself with the idea to add an increase of x0.75 here. The pace seems to be pretty much the same until 02:55:140 - kicks in.
03:22:640 - similarly i'd suggest doing kkddkkk here instead of dkdkddk using dkddkkk instead.
03:27:140 - also refer to the point from 00:56:239 here
call me back and i can look at stuff again, gl
Thank you for now for your mod. It was quite good. Everything I didn't answer to was applied.
Download: https://puu.sh/AwnRH/d1e8e860c6.7z
Thanks ono.
Topic Starter
val0108
Thanks 500 fav.
hikiko-
taiko diffs look good to go!
Xinnoh
@val
https://puu.sh/Ax5pe/bbaa795881.png
slider multiplier needs to be set to exactly 1.4 on oni
Topic Starter
val0108

Sinnoh wrote:

@val
https://puu.sh/Ax5pe/bbaa795881.png
slider multiplier needs to be set to exactly 1.4 on oni
Fixed
Xinnoh
add (TV Size) to the title

(don't)
Topic Starter
val0108

Sinnoh wrote:

add (TV Size) to the title

(don't)
TVSize? why?

Edit: LOL I did not notice the presence of bubbles since I was watching from the smartphone.Thanks.
Frey
finally! gogogo!
hikiko-
qualified! congrats and good luck
Topic Starter
val0108

hikikochan wrote:

qualified! congrats and good luck
thanks.

Here we go!
pw384
val2018!!!!!! gratz!!!
tutuhaha
YEAH!!!!
UndeadCapulet
hi

kroytz
00:49:694 (1) - seems pretty much inaudible to me bc there's no addition and the hitnormal blends in too much esp after all the 80% streams

marianna
almost all of this diff has volume settings at 100% which is really loud esp for sections like 00:20:785 - which have no business being loud, please lower your average volume setting

also 60% for that custom3 sample is absurdly loud, use 30 like higher diffs do

kawa
same as marianna

alphabet
ar4 is rly low for 240bpm and 4 > 8 in the hard is a super questionable ar spread, upping it to 5 or 6 would be way better
80% custom3 hurts my ears, use 30 like higher diffs do

shmik
60% custom3 also hurts my ears, use 30 like higher diffs do

sorry i got here so late :s
Lasse
points above make a lot of sense and should really be addressed
some of the volume settings are pretty questionable, like the nearly inaudible note on top diff and overall settings on marianna's/kawa's diff

ar 4 on normal is also really low with how this is mapped, would consider 5.5 or 6 personally, but definitely nothing below 5
Izzywing
I recommend lowering volume of normal-hitfinish3. this way the hitnormal is audible cause you wont have to reduce the volume to 30%. also this solves the issue of it being too loud on alpha and shmik's diffs.
Kroytz
volume changed from 20% -> 40%
Aistre
Will get val to change the ar on my diff
Topic Starter
val0108
okay I reduced the volume of normalhitfinish3.

and Normal diff is 5.5AR now.
Frey

val0108 wrote:

okay I reduced the volume of normalhitfinish3.

and Normal diff is 5.5AR now.

ummm if you don't mind, could you please do me a favor? I only want to rise the volume a bit, the hit sounds kinda weak compared with Kroytz's

http://puu.sh/AFa6N/dc7ffd581d.rar
Topic Starter
val0108

Frey wrote:

val0108 wrote:

okay I reduced the volume of normalhitfinish3.

and Normal diff is 5.5AR now.

ummm if you don't mind, could you please do me a favor? I only want to rise the volume a bit, the hit sounds kinda weak compared with Kroytz's

http://puu.sh/AFa6N/dc7ffd581d.rar
Uploaded.

All ready,
Xinnoh
fml I just resigned from standard mode like two hours ago
Doormat
filling in for sinnoh; i trust his judgment so i didn't go over much in irc log with val. we fixed a few minor things though (i.e. slider end in EX EX not muted properly since the timing line was 2 ms off)

finally i modded this map
hikiko-
take 2, good luck!
OnosakiHito
Now that it is ranked, I can finally thank you hikikochan as well as val who endured all these "Ono weeks". Thank you very much for your patience! Congratulations!
Okoayu
XD onooooooooo you're great
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