qqqant wrote:

though i disagree with some patterns, the map generally follows the same concepts consistently - i do have a few small concerns, however. i'm aware that some patterns are likely intentional but these are just clarifications mostly

1. synth LNs don't distinguish between the shorter and longer synth sounds not exactly sure what you mean by this, but after checking through the maps, there are a few synth sounds that are over/underextended (at least in Noxus' diff, and probably also mine but I just skimmed through the maps), though I'll let him sort that out if he wants to change it.
2. end of vocal LNs not snapping to the end of the particular sound, rather, snapping to the beginning of the next vocal sound most of the time I think the vocals in the song transition like they are connected anyways, so having the LNs stretch to the next vocal sound usually isn't too much of a problem. Again, will let Noxus respond to this regarding his own map if he would like to
3. 00:11:948 (11948|0,12105|1) - the second sound clearly starts on the blue tick. i understand it's mapped as a regular note there but in toaph's diff, that sound is not mapped. this one I can respond to, and I stated something like this in one of the earlier mods, but since its a HD, I tried to avoid any triplet patterns like that while holding LNs to avoid any bursts with LN that might be seen as a diff spike. Not sure if its worth changing but I'd likely have to work with the rest of the map and add in triplets like that throughout if I changed it
4. https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9902542 achromatic | toaph's hard - is this intentional?? no idea, should probably let Noxus handle this one
5. 00:57:184 (57184|1,57341|3,57498|1,57655|3,57812|1,57969|3,58126|1,58283|3,58440|1) - and 00:59:383 (59383|1,59540|2,59697|1,59854|2) - is there a reason for them to be mapped like this? Another thing Noxus would look at, but I think it might just be something he overlooked.
Not that its too big of a problem but we'll wait to see his response when he finds it

overall good map, i actually enjoyed the kiai aside from the fact that some of the LNs didn't really end when i expected them to haha
I'm sure Noxus will be glad to hear that, thanks for the suggestions! now we just wait for him to make his own response to this lol

have a star ig, cant really do much else lol

Tofu1222 wrote:

At least things are going in a good direction. I hope more concensus can be reached.

qqqant wrote:

though i disagree with some patterns, the map generally follows the same concepts consistently - i do have a few small concerns, however. i'm aware that some patterns are likely intentional but these are just clarifications mostly

1. synth LNs don't distinguish between the shorter and longer synth sounds- I'm not too sure what you mean by this



2. end of vocal LNs not snapping to the end of the particular sound, rather, snapping to the beginning of the next vocal sound - This isn't specific enough either :/


3. 00:11:948 (11948|0,12105|1) - the second sound clearly starts on the blue tick. i understand it's mapped as a regular note there but in toaph's diff, that sound is not mapped. - Seems Toaph already explained it


4. https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9902542 achromatic | toaph's hard - is this intentional?? - No



5. 00:57:184 (57184|1,57341|3,57498|1,57655|3,57812|1,57969|3,58126|1,58283|3,58440|1) - and 00:59:383 (59383|1,59540|2,59697|1,59854|2) - is there a reason for them to be mapped like this? - Trying to give both hands a fair amount of balance without making the LNs terribly awkward

overall good map, i actually enjoyed the kiai aside from the fact that some of the LNs didn't really end when i expected them to haha

have a star ig, cant really do much else lol
Thank you so much! If you can clarify your first and second point a bit further, I'll make sure I can answer a bit better :/ sorry about that

Noxus wrote:

qqqant wrote:

1. synth LNs don't distinguish between the shorter and longer synth sounds- I'm not too sure what you mean by this here's some examples, these sounds 00:10:535 (10535|1,10849|0) - are clearly shorter than this one 00:10:692 (10692|3) - and these are also noticeably short 00:12:419 (12419|3,12577|0,12734|3,12891|1) - however, they're all the same length. that's the point i was trying to make, and i was seeing if you were meaning not to distinguish them

2. end of vocal LNs not snapping to the end of the particular sound, rather, snapping to the beginning of the next vocal sound - This isn't specific enough either :/ 00:26:713 (26713|2,27184|3,27498|2,27812|1,28126|0) - the vocal sounds are bout 1/2-3/4 the length of these LNs, likely intentional but (in my opinion) it would be better to make them shorter to more accurately portray the vocals?


3. 00:11:948 (11948|0,12105|1) - the second sound clearly starts on the blue tick. i understand it's mapped as a regular note there but in toaph's diff, that sound is not mapped. - Seems Toaph already explained it i slowed this down to 25% speed and it just doesn't make sense to me. toaph says he "tried to avoid any triplet patterns like that while holding LNs to avoid any bursts with LN that might be seen as a diff spike"
but the sound is very clear that it's on the blue tick and the difficulty wouldn't change very much in the hard diff.

Litharrale wrote:

wheres the hitnormal

qqqant wrote:

3. 00:11:948 (11948|0,12105|1) - the second sound clearly starts on the blue tick. i understand it's mapped as a regular note there but in toaph's diff, that sound is not mapped. - Seems Toaph already explained it i slowed this down to 25% speed and it just doesn't make sense to me. toaph says he "tried to avoid any triplet patterns like that while holding LNs to avoid any bursts with LN that might be seen as a diff spike"
but the sound is very clear that it's on the blue tick and the difficulty wouldn't change very much in the hard diff.

qqqant wrote:

1. synth LNs don't distinguish between the shorter and longer synth sounds- I'm not too sure what you mean by this here's some examples, these sounds 00:10:535 (10535|1,10849|0) - are clearly shorter than this one 00:10:692 (10692|3) - and these are also noticeably short 00:12:419 (12419|3,12577|0,12734|3,12891|1) - however, they're all the same length. that's the point i was trying to make, and i was seeing if you were meaning not to distinguish them

Yeah I'm not trying to distinguish them, I think keeping them at that length is justifiable and I would like to keep a constant flow and no weird minor interruptions

2. end of vocal LNs not snapping to the end of the particular sound, rather, snapping to the beginning of the next vocal sound - This isn't specific enough either :/ 00:26:713 (26713|2,27184|3,27498|2,27812|1,28126|0) - the vocal sounds are bout 1/2-3/4 the length of these LNs, likely intentional but (in my opinion) it would be better to make them shorter to more accurately portray the vocals? - Fixed, thanks for pointing that out c:


3. 00:11:948 (11948|0,12105|1) - the second sound clearly starts on the blue tick. i understand it's mapped as a regular note there but in toaph's diff, that sound is not mapped. - Seems Toaph already explained it i slowed this down to 25% speed and it just doesn't make sense to me. toaph says he "tried to avoid any triplet patterns like that while holding LNs to avoid any bursts with LN that might be seen as a diff spike"
but the sound is very clear that it's on the blue tick and the difficulty wouldn't change very much in the hard diff.

Blocko wrote:

IRC with Noxus

2018-01-03 22:41 Noxus: lol
2018-01-03 22:41 Noxus: im back
2018-01-03 22:41 Noxus: ACTION is listening to [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1433598 Fear, and Loathing in Las Vegas - Just Awake (TV Size)]
2018-01-03 22:41 Blocko: i'll start checking once you have a 500pp 7k mania score
2018-01-03 22:41 Noxus: uh
2018-01-03 22:41 Noxus: what
2018-01-03 22:41 Noxus: ur a meanie
2018-01-03 22:44 Blocko: ok so first thing if my suggestions are unclear
2018-01-03 22:44 Blocko: it's probably because im a little sleepy
2018-01-03 22:47 Blocko: 00:08:964 (8964|3,8964|2,9043|1,9043|0,9121|3,9200|1,9278|2,9357|0,9435|2,9435|3,9514|0,9514|1,9592|2,9671|3) - i think you can flip this whole pattern horizontally so this isn't as demanding for the right hand
2018-01-03 22:47 Blocko: only slightly
2018-01-03 22:47 Noxus: wdym horizontally
2018-01-03 22:48 Blocko: ctrl + h?
2018-01-03 22:48 Blocko: you just flip the pattern, sort of like a mirror version of it
2018-01-03 22:49 Noxus: fixed
2018-01-03 22:49 Blocko: oh did you also avoid that minijack too
2018-01-03 22:49 Noxus: ye
2018-01-03 22:49 Blocko: coolies
2018-01-03 22:50 Blocko: 00:10:535 (10535|1,10692|3) - could make this little thing pitch relevant by having both notes be at the same column on 3
2018-01-03 22:51 Blocko: though if you want that you'll have to adjust the first ln there
2018-01-03 22:51 Noxus: fixed
2018-01-03 22:51 Noxus: i did
2018-01-03 22:51 Noxus: ur good
2018-01-03 22:52 Noxus: made it end on the blue tick
2018-01-03 22:52 Blocko: actually uhh did you have pitch relevance in mind while mapping this
2018-01-03 22:52 Noxus: sometimes
2018-01-03 22:52 Noxus: lol
2018-01-03 22:52 Blocko: cuz if you do i can offer to be a bit more strict with it if it helps
2018-01-03 22:52 Blocko: '_>'
2018-01-03 22:52 Noxus: nah
2018-01-03 22:52 Noxus: dont be strict with PR
2018-01-03 22:52 Noxus: i wasnt aiming for it
2018-01-03 22:52 Blocko: alright then
2018-01-03 22:54 Blocko: 00:12:419 (12419|0) - feels like it'd play better if you move this on 3
2018-01-03 22:54 Noxus: fixed
2018-01-03 22:55 Blocko: 00:16:346 (16346|3,16346|0) - ctrl + h, ln after this has a different pitch
2018-01-03 22:55 Noxus: Fixed
2018-01-03 22:57 Blocko: 00:18:702 (18702|0) - feels like you could move this to col 3 if you wanna put more emphasis on the pitch
2018-01-03 22:58 Noxus: owob
2018-01-03 22:58 Blocko: o did u do it
2018-01-03 22:58 Noxus: ye
2018-01-03 22:58 Noxus: good point
2018-01-03 22:58 Blocko: nice
2018-01-03 22:59 Blocko: 00:21:058 (21058|2,21844|0) - you could turn these into jumps, i feel they're strong enough for it
2018-01-03 23:00 Noxus: 00:21:844 (21844|0) -
2018-01-03 23:00 Noxus: put jumps there too
2018-01-03 23:00 Blocko: yeah i hl'd that note too
2018-01-03 23:02 Blocko: 00:28:755 (28755|2,28833|1,28912|2) - ctrl + h so it's a little easier (to me) to read and play through
2018-01-03 23:03 Noxus: nah im gonna leave that the same
2018-01-03 23:03 Noxus: that feels too uncomfy imo
2018-01-03 23:03 Blocko: mmm alright then
2018-01-03 23:04 Blocko: 00:34:880 (34880|1,35037|3) - move to 3, 2, same-ish reason as above and so it's less straining on the right
2018-01-03 23:05 Noxus: fixed
2018-01-03 23:06 Blocko: 00:48:074 (48074|3,48231|1,48388|2,48545|1) - i feel you could have these as LNs, just like what you have on a similar section (00:58:126 (58126|1,58283|3,58440|1) - )
2018-01-03 23:07 Blocko: change them into LNs (and try and make it nice to play through along the way) if you agree
2018-01-03 23:07 Blocko: (like share reply if you agree)
2018-01-03 23:08 Noxus: idk
2018-01-03 23:08 Noxus: id really rather not disturb the kiai too much at all
2018-01-03 23:09 Noxus: honestly cause i dont have an idea of what to change that to atm
2018-01-03 23:09 Noxus: for it to be comfy
2018-01-03 23:10 Blocko: hmm
2018-01-03 23:10 Blocko: could also turn these into regular notes 00:58:126 (58126|1,58283|3,58440|1) - for the sake of consistency
2018-01-03 23:11 Noxus: fixed
2018-01-03 23:14 Blocko: 01:07:707 - rearrange that part to [https://puu.sh/yTQyp/85cc6d01de.jpg something like this very small image] if you want to highlight PR
2018-01-03 23:14 Blocko: voice PR*
2018-01-03 23:15 Noxus: fixed
2018-01-03 23:15 Noxus: good call
2018-01-03 23:16 Blocko: i guess that's kinda it for your stuff
2018-01-03 23:17 Noxus: toaph gave me permission
2018-01-03 23:17 Noxus: to make changes to his diff
2018-01-03 23:17 Noxus: so go for it
2018-01-03 23:17 Blocko: oooh nice
2018-01-03 23:17 Blocko: that makes it easier
2018-01-03 23:17 Blocko: ACTION is editing [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/1437935 Fear, and Loathing in Las Vegas - Just Awake (TV Size) [Toaph's Hard]]
2018-01-03 23:17 Blocko: what about ash?
2018-01-03 23:18 Noxus: ye
2018-01-03 23:18 Blocko: that makes it a lot easier
2018-01-03 23:19 Blocko: 00:13:205 (13205|1,13205|2,13205|0) - turn this into a jump instead of a hand for pattern consistency (everything else in this part only has a jump for the snare)
2018-01-03 23:20 Blocko: except 00:20:744 (20744|1,20744|3,20744|2) - i suppose
2018-01-03 23:21 Noxus: change that too??
2018-01-03 23:21 Blocko: well
2018-01-03 23:21 Blocko: only if it feels best to you
2018-01-03 23:21 Blocko: i threw that in here just in case
2018-01-03 23:21 Noxus: nah
2018-01-03 23:21 Noxus: im gonna change it to a jump
2018-01-03 23:21 Blocko: alrighty
2018-01-03 23:22 Blocko: 00:25:927 (25927|2) - this is a good place to have a hand '_>'
2018-01-03 23:22 Blocko: or jump since this one is also a jump 00:28:440 (28440|0,28440|1) -
2018-01-03 23:23 Noxus: ye
2018-01-03 23:24 Noxus: made it a jump
2018-01-03 23:24 Noxus: since no snare note
2018-01-03 23:24 Noxus: to really amplify it all that much
2018-01-03 23:24 Blocko: cool
2018-01-03 23:24 Blocko: 00:49:959 (49959|2) - move to 1 for hand balance
2018-01-03 23:24 Blocko: 00:51:215 (51215|2) - could make this a jump
2018-01-03 23:25 Blocko: 01:00:011 (60011|2,60325|0) - rearrange to 1,2 for hand balance
2018-01-03 23:26 Noxus: ye
2018-01-03 23:26 Blocko: guess that's also it for toaph
2018-01-03 23:26 Noxus: ight
2018-01-03 23:29 Blocko: ACTION is editing [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/1437931 Fear, and Loathing in Las Vegas - Just Awake (TV Size) [Ash's Normal]]
2018-01-03 23:29 Blocko: everything looks cool
2018-01-03 23:29 Noxus: in ash's diff?
2018-01-03 23:29 Blocko: ye
2018-01-03 23:29 Noxus: ight cool
2018-01-03 23:30 Blocko: though i wanna know why he has these patterns in place 00:09:435 (9435|0,9514|1,9906|2,9985|1) -
2018-01-03 23:30 Blocko: instead of a 1/2 ln stream
2018-01-03 23:30 Noxus: i actually like that
2018-01-03 23:30 Noxus: id leave it regardless tbh
2018-01-03 23:30 Blocko: oh wait i think it's for the deeper pedals
2018-01-03 23:30 Blocko: hm hm
2018-01-03 23:31 Blocko: i find it an odd choice of layering but it fits fine lol
2018-01-03 23:37 Noxus: so is that is for modding?
2018-01-03 23:37 Blocko: that's it
2018-01-03 23:37 Blocko: you're good
2018-01-03 23:38 Blocko: you can update then i'll do a quick run through to make sure everything is o_k
2018-01-03 23:38 Noxus: updated
2018-01-03 23:39 Blocko: ACTION is editing [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/1437935 Fear, and Loathing in Las Vegas - Just Awake (TV Size) [Toaph's Hard]]
2018-01-03 23:40 Blocko: 00:50:587 (50587|1,50587|2,50587|3) - was this supposed to be a hand or a jump
2018-01-03 23:40 Noxus: jump
2018-01-03 23:41 Noxus: wait that didnt update wtf
2018-01-03 23:41 Noxus: my b
2018-01-03 23:41 Blocko: '_>"
2018-01-03 23:41 Noxus: fixed lmao
2018-01-03 23:41 Blocko: not done yet
2018-01-03 23:41 Blocko: 00:12:734 (12734|3,13205|0) - move to 1, 2 for hand balance?
2018-01-03 23:42 Noxus: okie
2018-01-03 23:42 Noxus: good catch actually
2018-01-03 23:42 Blocko: nice
2018-01-03 23:43 Blocko: 00:17:760 (17760|0,18074|3,18231|0) - rearrange to 4,1,3, same reason
2018-01-03 23:44 Noxus: fixed
2018-01-03 23:44 Blocko: oookay aaaand moving on to
2018-01-03 23:44 Blocko: your diff
2018-01-03 23:45 Blocko: ACTION is editing [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/1433598 Fear, and Loathing in Las Vegas - Just Awake (TV Size) [Achromatic]]
2018-01-03 23:45 Blocko: 00:08:964 (8964|0,9043|1,9121|3,9121|2,9200|0,9200|1,9278|3,9357|1,9435|2,9514|0,9592|2,9592|3,9671|0,9671|1) - did you also flip this vertically
2018-01-03 23:45 Noxus: you told me to crtl h
2018-01-03 23:46 Noxus: so thats what i did 'w'
2018-01-03 23:46 Blocko: ctrl + h flips patterns horizontally
2018-01-03 23:46 Blocko: ctrl + j flips it vertically
2018-01-03 23:46 Noxus: oh wait
2018-01-03 23:46 Blocko: uhh
2018-01-03 23:46 Noxus: okie fixed
2018-01-03 23:46 Noxus: lol im retarded
2018-01-03 23:46 Blocko: noice
2018-01-03 23:46 Blocko: thought that was odd, usually you had jumps on the deeper sounding pedals
2018-01-03 23:48 Blocko: 00:58:597 - add a note here to increase impact with the drum crash (also for consistency with 00:48:545 - )
2018-01-03 23:48 Noxus: fixed
2018-01-03 23:49 Blocko: uhh update again
2018-01-03 23:49 Noxus: updated
2018-01-03 23:51 Blocko: hitsounds look good
2018-01-03 23:51 Blocko: aimod looks good
2018-01-03 23:52 Noxus: 'w'
2018-01-03 23:53 Blocko: gimme 3 minutes
2018-01-03 23:53 Noxus: okie
2018-01-03 23:56 Blocko: oh i found one more thing
2018-01-03 23:56 Blocko: (this always happens sorry)
2018-01-03 23:56 Blocko: ACTION is editing [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/1433598 Fear, and Loathing in Las Vegas - Just Awake (TV Size) [Achromatic]]
2018-01-03 23:57 Noxus: ur good lmao
2018-01-03 23:57 Blocko: 00:22:393 (22393|3,22550|1,23179|3) - add whistle hitsounds
2018-01-03 23:58 Noxus: fixed
2018-01-03 23:59 Blocko: 01:07:236 (67236|1,67236|2) - if you'd like, you could turn this into a hand
2018-01-03 23:59 Noxus: hand LN?
2018-01-03 23:59 Noxus: or just add a regular note
2018-01-03 23:59 Blocko: that works too
2018-01-03 23:59 Blocko: your choice
2018-01-04 00:00 Blocko: though hand ln for aesthetics
2018-01-04 00:00 Noxus: did hand LN
2018-01-04 00:00 Noxus: lmao
2018-01-04 00:00 Noxus: right
2018-01-04 00:00 Blocko: updaaaate (might be the last
2018-01-04 00:01 Noxus: updated

Made some general clean-ups and polished some patterns, seems ready to go.

(please chart 7K)