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Memme - Sky of the Ocean

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riffy
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Joined December 2010
riffy
Yo, as requested.

[General]
  1. Add ParkMemme and park as these refer to the artist's real nameand soundcloud profile. Might come in handy for a few people.
  2. drum-hitnormal88.wav is marked as unused, consider removing it?
  3. Why do soft-hitwhistle80 and soft-hitwhistle95 use uneven volume levels for different channels? A picture. This may create an effect of moving sourc eof sound, causing an extra layer of confusion.
  4. drum-hitclap.wav's volume is slightly louder on the left channel. This is the on;y hitsound that does this, is there a reason to keep it this way?
  5. The 200ms pause in normal-hitwhistle99.wav makes it sort of confusing. Separating it into two sounds could've solved this issue.
  6. soft-hitwhistle98 is well over 10 seconds in length. And there are other pretty long hitsounds as well. Consider shortening them as to prevent extra issues, or at least make hitsound samples match the playback rate (song Setup, Audio tab) for the difficulty that uses this kind of hitsounding.
The easier difficulties are now named as Normal/Advanced/Advanced. As to match the namechange you could increase Approach Rate and Overall Difficulty and /or HP Drain of the easier difficulties to match the naming better. The suggestions below take this into account.

[Cheesecake's Normal]

  • As it is the easiest difficulty of the set, it could have used a little less dence rhythm. Probably even introduce more 3/1 gaps, for instance in patterns like 00:08:861 (3,4) - as the tail of the slider is not snapped to the stronger beat anyway.

    What I would suggest doing is a generalization of the rhythm, so that it would focus more on stronger beats and have less weaker drums mapped, creating a more intuitively-playable diffiuclty that would be a lot more beginner friendly. For instance, we cold use a far less dense rhythm for the intro, by focusing on the main instruments and filtering the weaker beats.

    Some of the slidertails are snapped to some really weak beats as well, and it would be possible to replace them with circles as to reduce the densiyty and follow the same concept as suggested above. For instance, 00:18:252 (1,2) - here.

    The overall impression of the difficulty is something of a mixture between appreciation of the neat patterns and confusion caused by the rhythm choice. I believe that even for a Normal difficulty the density could still be a lot lower as the idea of the easiest difficulty is to focus more on the most important sounds. It may come a bit weird at first, but I hope you will get the idea, the difficulty feels overdone for what it is.
[Curi's Advanced]
  1. 00:01:035 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3) - in terms of density the early intro part matches the rest of the 00:04:165 (1,2,3,1,2,3,4) - which feels quite strange to me, as the intro sounds a lot quiter. I would simplify the first part of the intro, easing players into the harder rhythm and matching the song better.
  2. 00:14:339 (2) - the slider follows two lines of the vocals. The second line starts on 00:14:861 - and is mapped with a slidertail, which feels quite confusing, as the vocals on that beat are just as dense as they are on 00:14:339. You can try replacing the slider with two circles as this would match the vocals better. Or you could try to simpify the rhythm and do something more or less similar to the previous combo. example
  3. 00:23:339 - the actual drum beat is here, and not 1/2 earlier. therefore 00:22:948 (4) - so, it would be better to use a 3/2 pattern.
  4. 00:29:208 (1,2) - consider removing the circle and adding an extra reverse to (1) instead? The beat on 00:29:730 - is pretty weak and doesn't require a clickable object in the context of this difficulty.
  5. 00:48:774 (4) - essentially, you are focusing players only on the first beat 00:48:774 - as this is the only beat that is clickable to them. The problem is that 00:49:034 - is just as strong as the previous one, and therefore should recieve just as much emphasis. So, why not replace it with something like this to make sure that the stronger beats are clickable.
    note: the same issue with making strong beats unclickable will apply to a few more patterns like 01:23:208 (2) - so you might want to give the difficulty an extra check and find similar patterns if you agree with me.
  6. 01:41:208 (1) - I am pretty sure that the bass sound has a clear cut on 01:41:469 - therefore, the 3/2 slider does not accurately match the music. I would recommend trying something like a 1/1 slider and a 1/2 slider to match the bass sounds better.
    Note: kind of similar things happen in more patterns, for insntance, 01:51:643 - here. I am pretty sure that you've got the idea, so it should be no trouble to apply similar changes to the other patterns if you agree with me.

    In general, the difficulty is not bad, yet the rhythm emphasis issues I have mentioned combined with the high BPM and the changeable beat of the song make the difficulty feel somewhat artificially forced at times.
[-Tochi's Hard]
  1. 00:01:035 - the volume levels of two concurrent timing lines conflict here. Please, set the same volume settings for both of them.
  2. 00:36:774 (4,1) - 00:38:078 (4,5) - the patterns are visually similar, yet the jump is used only for the second one, which makes it harder to read and somewhat inconsistent. Consider adding a jump to 00:36:774 (4,1) - as well. It will represent the music better, the jump itself will be easier to read as there is a new combo and it will get players ready for the next jump.
  3. 00:42:774 - the violin starts here, yet the beat gets no clickable object. So, players migh assume that you ommited the violin, yet you start mapping it from the second beat on 00:42:904 (6) - which makes the rhythm feel irregular. I would suggest sometihng different, as to get the violin beats mapped in a more accurate way. shorten (5) and then move and rearrange the following part?
  4. 00:51:904 - why do you keep the downbeat unstressed here? Pretty much every downbeat in the next few combos is mapped with a clickable object, so this pattern does stand out in a rather confusing way to me. Split the 1/1 slider?
  5. 01:01:034 (5,6) - the jump is not too hard to get, but it is quite sudden as there aren't any similar patterns before and this one stands out all by itself being the only one. Consider reducing the spacing to make it fit with your difficulty concept better? example

    I appreciate the way you followed the feel of the song and tried to represent it visually. Yet, I believe that this difficulty is way too complex in terms of reading in comparison with the Advanced difficulty, which results in a sort of massive difficulty gap in-between thos difficulties. Perhaps, in this case discussing the matter with the mapper of the Advance ddifficulty would improve the situation.
[Emilia's Insane]
  1. I would highly recommend Approach Rate 9 as to match the overall feel of the speed and BPM and to make things slightly more readable to a player.
  2. 00:26:600 (2,3) - if I understood your concept of following the similar spacings and vocal samples right, there should be a jump to match the previous and next combo.
    Note: additionally, 00:29:208 (1,2,3,4) - (4) gets no spacing emphasis as the jumps on the previous pattern devalue the slight jump (4) has. Perhaps, you could reduce the spacing on (1,2,3)?
  3. 01:04:426 (5) - 01:51:643 (2) - the first object goes offscreen on most of the displays, whereas the second one may be offscreen for 4:3 display users. I recommend moving objects to the playfield as to avoid off-screen placement.
  4. 01:24:513 (3,4,5) - consider using a reversed slider instead of a triplet as to match the rhythm density of the rest of the patterns.
    Note: if you decide to do so, you might as well replace 01:56:078 (1,1,1) - this pattern, so we could ease players into these pretty rapid 1/4s.

    It was good.
[NiNo's Insane]
  1. 00:48:513 (3,1,2) - in this pattern only (2) recieved spacing emphasis, even though both (1) and (2) sound similar. S there any way we could stress both of the objects? somthing of that kind, perhaps?
    Note: 00:50:861 (5,1) - sort of similar thing would apply here and in a few similar patterns.
  2. 01:33:382 (1,4) - it would be fantastic if we could color-code the velocity changes to make them more readable, as it is extremely difficult to read the velocity change on (1) as of now.
    Note: alternatively, you could avoid this specific slider as the rest of the changes are fairly easy to read.

    Could be just my subjective perception of the song but I believe that due to the high slider velocity there was little spacing emphasis applied, which sort of damaged the overall impression kiais produced on me. Apart from that it was okay.
i guess it's still wip
emilia
893 posts
Joined October 2012
emilia

Bakari wrote:

[Emilia's Insane]
  1. I would highly recommend Approach Rate 9 as to match the overall feel of the speed and BPM and to make things slightly more readable to a player.
  2. 00:26:600 (2,3) - if I understood your concept of following the similar spacings and vocal samples right, there should be a jump to match the previous and next combo.
    Note: additionally, 00:29:208 (1,2,3,4) - (4) gets no spacing emphasis as the jumps on the previous pattern devalue the slight jump (4) has. Perhaps, you could reduce the spacing on (1,2,3)?
  3. 01:04:426 (5) - 01:51:643 (2) - the first object goes offscreen on most of the displays, whereas the second one may be offscreen for 4:3 display users. I recommend moving objects to the playfield as to avoid off-screen placement.
  4. 01:24:513 (3,4,5) - consider using a reversed slider instead of a triplet as to match the rhythm density of the rest of the patterns.
    Note: if you decide to do so, you might as well replace 01:56:078 (1,1,1) - this pattern, so we could ease players into these pretty rapid 1/4s.

    It was good.
ee this is such a lovely mod i accepted everything! thanks for the check

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[Editor]
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[Metadata]
Title:Sky of the Ocean
TitleUnicode:Sky of the Ocean
Artist:Memme
ArtistUnicode:Memme
Creator:Syph
Version:Emilia's Insane
Source:O2Jam U
Tags:m2u cheesecake [c_u_r_i] kittyadventure -tochi snownino_ emilia xlolicore- derandom_otaku hikaru_rose settia moecho moeri
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87,373,142556,1,0,1:0:0:0:
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73,179,143208,2,0,P|71:107|45:68,1,99.0000030212403,0|0,1:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
192,54,143469,6,0,L|371:48,1,148.50000453186,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
380,47,143730,1,0,1:0:0:0:
335,155,143861,1,0,1:0:0:0:
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324,246,144252,1,8,0:0:0:0:
481,265,144382,1,0,0:0:0:0:
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220,217,145295,1,0,1:0:0:0:
285,138,145426,1,0,1:0:0:0:
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511,137,146339,2,0,P|493:199|462:237,1,99.0000030212403,0|0,0:0|1:0,0:0:0:0:
386,298,146600,6,0,P|309:285|251:369,1,148.50000453186,6|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
253,363,146861,1,0,1:0:0:0:
167,290,146991,1,8,0:0:0:0:
71,337,147121,2,0,L|59:171,1,148.50000453186,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
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157,303,147904,1,4,0:0:0:0:
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348,356,148426,2,0,L|446:362,1,99.0000030212403,0|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
414,188,148687,2,0,P|383:250|401:316,1,99.0000030212403,0|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
472,258,148948,1,0,0:0:0:0:
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256,192,149795,12,0,152861,0:0:0:0:
riffy
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Yet the Approach Rate was not changed, Emilia. I guess it was overlooked or forgotten, please consider that when you get back to the difficulty.

Anyways, let's jump back to the difficulties that I have not chevcked yet!

[General (2)]
  1. I just noticed that some of the difficulties have the intro mapped and some don't. This makes it kind of inconsistent in terms of drain time that hurts the structure of the set. If possible, map/don't map the intro for each and every difficulty to keep things better-structured?
  2. The overall feel of the set is quite unbalanced, as the progression is uneven as we get only 4 difficulties of the lower range and the number of difficulties increases exponentially as the star rating goes higher. As the result, the progression in the easier end of the set feels too rough and requires quite a considerable skill increase, whereas the Insane/Extra part of the spread has a way softer difficulty curve.
    Note: this iis more of an observation, as I doubt that adding more Hard/Easy difficulties would actually help the ranking process.
[Loli's Extra]

  • Would you mind discussing the way you use spacing? It feels like the jumps are not really consistent. 00:03:774 (4,5,1) - for instance here the jump between 4-5 is just as intense as the one between 5-1, even though (1) sounds a lot stronger. Than, there are more examples of inconsistences or things I personally find illogical, for instance 00:05:469 (3,1) - 00:07:165 (4,1) - even though the beats follow similar idea only the second pattern gets a jump. Than, there are also patterns like 00:26:600 (3,4,1) - where the jump to the stronger beat (1) is relatively small or of the same distance as the previous one, despite the beat being objectively stronger.

    I think that you could try focusing on spacing emphasis more and making distance chages correlate more with the actual intensity of the beats or/and the vocals. As this would result in a considerable improvement of the flow and feel of the patterns in general. So, please, respond when you can, or just contact me directly if you agree with the suggested change to the jumps and need any kind of help with this!
[Ren's Extra]
  1. 00:03:904 (5,1) - I would increase the distance here to make intro and the later part contrast even more. It would match better with the actual feel of the song.
  2. 00:07:165 (4,1) - 00:08:600 (3,1) - the parts are very similar in sound, yet the first one has no jumop whereas the other one is stressed with a jump. Try to be a bit more consistent and apply a kjump to the first pattern as well?
  3. 00:21:122 (3,1) - just to match the previous patterning some kind of a jump would help to stress the vocals and separatethe slider visually from the previous combo. Let's try this?
  4. 00:36:904 (6,1) - can we lower the spacing here a little? I believe that the spacing change is too drastic and it may feel a b it overdone in this context.
  5. 00:48:513 (4,1,2,3) - can you comment on the spacing usage here? 00:48:774 (1,2) - these two are very similar, so I believe that they should be stressed in an identical way, instead of combining antijump and a regular-spaced pattern.
  6. 01:05:208 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) - it would be amazing if we could use the same three-slider pattern three times to match the vocals perfectly. So, the whole thing would look like this
    Note: 02:15:643 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) - the same idea would apply here
  7. 01:34:165 (1,2,3) - as these three sliders represent similar bass sounds, spacing and shaping them in a similar wqay would help.
  8. 01:43:817 (2,3) - I feel like the intensity of the patterns around requires a bigger spacing to be used here to emphasise the bass sound.
  9. 01:54:774 (2,3,1) - if we compare the intensity of beats, (1) should be spaced further. Besides, this will also add a bit more contrast to the SV difference, making the idea you intended even more vivid.
  10. 02:27:121 (3,1,2,3) - compare the intensity of 3-1 and 2-3. It feels like both hitsounding and comboing suggest that the 3-1 jump should be bigger than the other one.

    I feel like we could discuss the spacing emphasis a bit more as well as talk about the visuals in general. rhythmically it was quite alright.
[Hikaru's Extra]
  1. 00:21:121 (4,1) - shouldn't the spacing be increasing here? The beat is more intense and there are no previous antijumps to justify this decrease here.
    Note: 01:29:339 (4,1,2) - same here, 4-1 should be way stronger as (1) is the strongest beat here. // 02:27:252 (4,1,2) - same.
  2. 00:25:817 (6,1) - in the context of this calm part the jump here feels overdone. Lowering spacing would work.
    Note: 00:31:295 (2,3) - 00:32:861 (2,3) - essentially this kind of jumps spikes the intensity of the calm part, making it feel overdone.

    Just a couple of things that I disagree with. It was really good otherwise, I also enjoyed the way you used colour-codding to indicate SV changes.
[Settia's Extra]

  • My main issue is that the rhythm is generalized whereas the spacing and patterning aren't. You leave without any emphasis a lot of thing like 00:14:339 - which is stronger than the one you mapped with a clickable beat (00:14:078). Same happens to 00:09:252 -

    Additionally, theree a few patterns like 00:15:904 (3,4,5) - where the stronger beat (5) in this case, gets less spacing and therefore feels less important while the music suggests exactly the opposite. Same happens to 01:44:861 (3,4,1) - and more patterns.

    Basically, you have a lot of opportunities to make rhythm dense and use spacing to emphasise things, which could work in a really interesting way and when completed with the velocity changes, it could amplify the feel from practically every beat of the song. But due to the way you use jumps and generalize things it does not happen. As a result, the difficulty feels quite artificially forced and a lot of the potential remains unused. The best way to improve the situation is to focus more on a specific line and to emphasise it as accurately as possible, as well as being more precise with spacings. You definitely know what you are doing in the editor, but I still can't help the feeling that it could be improved even more.
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Syph
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I didn't update Emilia's diff yet oops
e: oh nvm he forgot anyway lol
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part 3

[Moecho's Atmospheric Extra]
  1. 00:14:861 (1,2,3) - the fact that (1) and (3) are stacked take any extra emphasis off (3). Which does not correlate with the piano and vocals, as they clearly do require some extra spacing. Try to keep the spacing lower between 1-2? example
  2. 00:21:382 (1,2,3) - unlike the previous combo this one doesn't have much to emphasise, so, lower spacing could work better, I believe.
  3. 00:25:295 (2,3,4) - making them visually similar to the previous beats may feel a bit misleading. Try to space them the same way you did 00:26:078 (1,2,3).
    Note: if you want some spacing progression, I'd still recomment applying the suggestion above + bigger spacing for the second pattern.
  4. 00:27:643 (1,2,3) - can you commend on the way you use spacing here? I believe that the patterns stresses (2) instead of (3), which is objectively stronger.
  5. 02:10:948 (1) - the 1/1 slider here feels too long, especially when it is reversed. Why not remove the reverse and add more objects to match the intensity of the patterns around and the song? example
    Note: 02:14:861 (5) - 02:16:426 (5) - 02:17:991 (5) - same here. though it'd be mapped in a slightly different way to match the instruments and vocals more. Those feel like some kind of gaps in comparison with the rest of the part.

    I really liked the difficulty though it felt like the hitsounding was too spammed at times due to exttremely long samples.
We've also did a few things to the hardest difficulty. Mostly minor aesthetic improvements.

[Air of the Sea]

  • IRC log
    21:42 Syph: i made it
    21:42 Bakari: hello there
    21:43 Bakari:  I'll just ask a few things about spacings 
    21:43 *Bakari is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1150577 Memme - Sky of the Ocean [Air of the Sea]]
    21:43 Syph: alright
    21:43 Bakari: 00:04:034 (7,1) - wouldn't it be better to space (1) further to give it additional emphasis? 
    21:44 Bakari: you can slightly distort the whole pattern to make it look less random https://bakarisu.s-ul.eu/OsFIZd2A.jpg
    21:44 Syph: hmm i could
    21:44 Syph: but i like having proper star patterns tho
    21:45 Bakari: thing is, the spacing mraks every beat of the pattern as equal 
    21:45 Bakari: which isn't really the case, as (1) stands out a lot
    21:46 Syph: https://sy.phic.al/i/bzdntbv.png
    21:46 Syph: how is this instead
    21:46 Bakari: whoa, pretty good idea 
    21:46 Bakari: 00:09:251 (2,3,4) - sort of similar thing here, (4) has a lot weaker sound
    21:46 Bakari: as well as 00:10:034 (4,5) - in comparison with 00:09:643 (1,2,3) - 
    21:47 Bakari: as this is the hardest difficulty doing spacing alterations mor eoften to stress as many music changes as possible doesn't sound like a bad idea 
    21:47 Syph: hmm yeah
    21:47 Bakari: 00:10:426 - i am suggesting removing extra green lines so that the pos would be longer 
    21:47 Syph: but one thing to keep in mind is that i also map for visuals
    21:47 Bakari: post* 
    21:48 Syph: so having a bit more spacing on things that don't exactly need it i think isn't toooo much of a problem
    21:49 Syph: and sure ill remove unused ones
    21:49 Bakari: I can't be sure of the visuals, though 
    21:49 Bakari: they usually come after spacing emphasis and all those things to me 
    21:50 Syph: don't worry i also keep emphasis in mind
    21:50 Syph: that's why not everything is the same spacing but
    21:50 Syph: i feel like some things are fine
    21:50 Syph: eg
    21:50 Bakari: essentially, this kind of visuals feel empty to me 
    21:50 Syph: 00:10:164 (5) -
    21:50 Syph: this having the same spacing
    21:50 Syph: i think is fine because its like
    21:50 Syph: the last note of the section
    21:50 Syph: and moves into a small break
    21:51 Bakari: 00:15:121 (1,1) - 00:14:338 (1,2) - is there a way we could make them visually different? 
    21:51 Bakari: I'd stack the 2/1 thing like you did it with 00:17:469 (1,2) - 
    21:52 Syph: hmm
    21:52 Syph: https://sy.phic.al/i/kdmveac.png ill do this for 00:14:338 (1,2) -
    21:52 Syph: because the sounds are similar to 00:17:469 (1,2) -
    21:52 Syph: so having them somewhat similar makes sense i supposed
    21:52 Syph: suppose*
    21:53 Bakari: okay, got it
    21:53 Bakari: just a quick question 
    21:53 Bakari: https://bakarisu.s-ul.eu/YNfPfrsQ.jpg is this the way you intended this pattern to be? 
    21:54 Syph: you mean the sliders overlapping? yeah
    21:55 Syph: i like stuff like that so i do it a lot :s
    21:55 Syph: but most people don't seem to like it
    21:55 Bakari: well, as long as that's intentional 
    21:55 Bakari: and there are similar ideas somewhere else in the song
    21:55 Bakari: it's all cool 
    21:56 Syph: B)
    21:56 Bakari: 00:33:382 (2,3,1) - in this case (1) gets less emphasis than (3) 
    21:57 Bakari: i know that it's done for the cool visual thing, but isn't there a way to combine these? https://bakarisu.s-ul.eu/BExCtE5c.jpg
    21:57 Syph: i could just copy paste 1 maybe?
    21:57 Syph: for 3
    21:58 Bakari: then (1) would end being even closer
    21:58 Bakari: maybe some kind of spacing progression like https://bakarisu.s-ul.eu/AUjmxW7R.jpg
    21:58 Syph: you want 3 less emphasized?
    21:58 Syph: or
    21:59 Syph: i think they deserve somewhat same emphasis because of the pitch change in uh
    21:59 Syph: idk what the instrument is called
    21:59 Syph: lol
    21:59 Syph: but pitch goes up in something
    21:59 Bakari: I want (1) emphasized more :p 
    21:59 Syph: oh
    21:59 Syph: hmm
    21:59 Bakari: if you see it the way it is now 
    21:59 Bakari: (3) kind of spikes the jumpy pattern 
    22:00 Syph: https://sy.phic.al/i/dfpqdte.png this would be unrankable wouldnt it
    22:00 Bakari: I guess so, since the reverse arrow is hidden 
    22:00 Syph: fk
    22:01 Syph: would this be good compromise then https://sy.phic.al/i/peucpnw.png
    22:01 Bakari: looks hot 
    22:01 Bakari: does it flow as hot as it looks? 
    22:02 Syph: yeah it's like circular flow into some sort of counter flow to 1 for emphasis
    22:02 Syph: pretty nice i think
    22:03 Bakari: 00:54:252 (1,2) - whoa, these two don't overlap 
    22:03 Syph: 00:54:643 (2,1) - but these do
    22:03 Syph: :D
    22:03 Bakari: weren't all three overlapping in the previous pattern? :p 
    22:04 Syph: while true it's also a part with very different intensity
    22:04 Bakari: 01:00:513 (1) - is it done on purpose? 
    22:05 Bakari: the first and third parts of the sliderbody aren't parallel 
    22:05 Syph: yeah making proper sliders isn't my thing
    22:05 Syph: i can try to fix it thougjh
    22:05 Bakari: well, you can 
    22:05 Bakari: if you want to 
    22:06 Bakari: most of the players won't probably notice it anyway
    22:06 Syph: https://sy.phic.al/i/ixqoqyh.png think it's a little bit better now
    22:06 Syph: it's hard for me to tell lol idk
    22:07 Bakari: it is better, yeah 
    22:07 Bakari: 01:34:687 (5,1) - aren't these a bit misleading? they look kinda like 1/8 
    22:07 Bakari: most of the 1/4 sliders around are spaced way further 
    22:08 Bakari: if that's not cool, neither is 01:40:948 (5,1) -  
    22:09 Syph: hmm no i think it's fine actually
    22:09 Syph: i've had
    22:09 Syph: a lotttt of testplays
    22:09 Syph: and the only thing people actually misread often
    22:09 Syph: 01:41:991 (1) -
    22:09 Syph: is this
    22:09 Syph: lol
    22:09 Bakari: i guess it's just kinda sudden
    22:09 Bakari: the slider itself is pretty obvious 
    22:09 Syph: i tihnk it makes sense though, i've emphasized all those parts the same way so
    22:10 Syph: or rather everywhere where it made sense
    22:10 Bakari: 01:47:730 (1,2,3) - 01:53:991 (1,2,3) - aren't they a little bit different? 
    22:11 Syph: yeah but i think the music is also different
    22:11 Syph: the 2nd section isn't that similar in terms of music
    22:11 Bakari: maybe we could make them differ visually 
    22:11 Bakari: just in case somebody is good at pattern recognition but not too good at reading high ARs 
    22:12 Syph: i think when you get to this level of playing
    22:12 Syph: and with that i dont mean
    22:12 Syph: 70% passes
    22:12 Syph: but like actual decent scores
    22:12 Syph: it's not really about that anymore
    22:12 Syph: people at this level usually have good reading especially on high ar's
    22:13 Bakari: you are way better at this stuff 
    22:13 Bakari: so as long as you're sure it works 
    22:13 Bakari: it's probably good 
    22:13 Syph: i mean believe me i've had a lot of doubts myself as this is my first serious attempt at wub mapping
    22:13 Syph: but from testplays i've noticed it's fine
    22:14 Syph: 01:46:687 (1,2,3,4) - what i do need to know is i need to look for a different placement for these
    22:14 Syph: as they just look too messy lol
    22:16 Bakari: i thought of some rotating thing https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8111624 
    22:17 Syph: hmm thats cool but 4 still overlaps with so much
    22:17 Syph: https://sy.phic.al/i/ukvqsuy.png i personally thought of this idk lol
    22:17 Syph: what do u think
    22:18 Bakari: aren't 2-3 too close? 
    22:18 Syph: hmm maybe
    22:18 Syph: í can space them out a bit
    22:18 Bakari: https://bakarisu.s-ul.eu/RKw98ghK.jpg
    22:18 Bakari: 2012 just called, they want their patterns back 
    22:18 Syph: LOL
    22:19 Syph: did u try to play that
    22:19 Syph: i think stuff like that is really awkward on high bpm
    22:19 Bakari: 01:34:165 (1,2,3,4) - it's just a bit different from 01:34:165 (1,2,3,4) - in terms of visuals 
    22:20 Bakari: but I can't really test things, so you'll probably have to try it yourself 
    22:21 Syph: hm
    22:21 Syph: im actually gonna change the part you just sent
    22:21 Syph: because its ugly lol
    22:21 Syph: ill do something similar to what i just did on that other section
    22:21 Bakari: alright 
    22:21 Bakari: the rest is fine with me

    Most of the stuff is already explainde in the IRC log. It should be cool enough.

The overall concept of the set is not very clear to me as the harder end of the set feels a bit too spammed whereas we are short of easier difficulties. Apart from that some difficulties could use some more work, I believe.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Best of luck!
Hikaru Rose
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Bakari wrote:

Yet the Approach Rate was not changed, Emilia. I guess it was overlooked or forgotten, please consider that when you get back to the difficulty.

Anyways, let's jump back to the difficulties that I have not chevcked yet!

[Hikaru's Extra]
  1. 00:21:121 (4,1) - shouldn't the spacing be increasing here? The beat is more intense and there are no previous antijumps to justify this decrease here. - I am following the vocals here!
    Note: 01:29:339 (4,1,2) - same here, 4-1 should be way stronger as (1) is the strongest beat here. // 02:27:252 (4,1,2) - same. - 1 Is actually the least strongest note in the 5 notes after that as in 4 to 1 is less strong than 1 to 2. I have kept 1 to 5 on both patterns like this since it forms a star.
  2. 00:25:817 (6,1) - in the context of this calm part the jump here feels overdone. Lowering spacing would work. - They're a bit smaller now,
    tell me if it needs to be even smaller!
    Note: 00:31:295 (2,3) - 00:32:861 (2,3) - essentially this kind of jumps spikes the intensity of the calm part, making it feel overdone.

    Just a couple of things that I disagree with. It was really good otherwise, I also enjoyed the way you used colour-codding to indicate SV changes. omg thanks <3
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Syph
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Moecho wrote:

Bakari wrote:

part 3

[General]
  1. drum-hitnormal88.wav is marked as unused, consider removing it?
    Yes, accidentally sent to Syph and updated with it.
  2. Why do soft-hitwhistle80 and soft-hitwhistle95 use uneven volume levels for different channels? A picture. This may create an effect of moving sourc eof sound, causing an extra layer of confusion.
    For me, it's intentional due to that the ambient feeling of the wind should feel like it flows through you, the current is a wind from your right blowing to your left. This is for realistic purposes, while not breaking the gameplay-feeling, as I hope it doesn't, since I designed the volume not to be too loud.
  3. The 200ms pause in normal-hitwhistle99.wav makes it sort of confusing. Separating it into two sounds could've solved this issue.
    I have now reduced the sample's volume a bit to make it less obvious, but I think it's fine as one single file. This is inspiration from some artists like USAO and Camellia.
  4. soft-hitwhistle98 is well over 10 seconds in length. And there are other pretty long hitsounds as well. Consider shortening them as to prevent extra issues, or at least make hitsound samples match the playback rate (song Setup, Audio tab) for the difficulty that uses this kind of hitsounding.
    I tried this playback rate setting out, but didn't notice any difference. Although, the long sample that is used right before the break was originally about a few minutes long. I cut it to fit the break. I've thought about the sample actually, and made it especially sound more intensive a bit right before the break ends where it transists into gameplay part again. 02:05:730 - starting around here(you might want to start listening from the break starts since this is related to the hitsound itself).
[Moecho's Atmospheric Extra]
  1. 00:14:861 (1,2,3) - the fact that (1) and (3) are stacked take any extra emphasis off (3). Which does not correlate with the piano and vocals, as they clearly do require some extra spacing. Try to keep the spacing lower between 1-2? example
    It's logical, I understand, but the way it was emphasized here was actually that, by playing these two notes 00:14:861 (1,2) - , you'll get a certain emphasis, right? But if you add another object with same rhythm here, it would be even more intense to play? Right? I hope this is fine enough reason to have it mapped like this, as it was intended.
  2. 00:21:382 (1,2,3) - unlike the previous combo this one doesn't have much to emphasise, so, lower spacing could work better, I believe.
    I mapped this primarily as a pattern, but also that the piano got quite some emphasize here, at least, that's how I feel about it. ouo
  3. 00:25:295 (2,3,4) - making them visually similar to the previous beats may feel a bit misleading. Try to space them the same way you did 00:26:078 (1,2,3).
    Note: if you want some spacing progression, I'd still recomment applying the suggestion above + bigger spacing for the second pattern.
    00:25:817 (4,1) - The distance here was intended to make a emphasis of transistion with the background instrument. Also, the sound that the song contains at 00:25:817 (4) - feels like it should be emphasized on the next note in this particular part due to it being quite obvious compared a lot of other instruments. And about the visually similar and misleading, I think that the AR fix this up pretty well.
  4. 00:27:643 (1,2,3) - can you commend on the way you use spacing here? I believe that the patterns stresses (2) instead of (3), which is objectively stronger.
    For me 00:27:643 (1,2) - This in the music is being a "slow-down"-section, which I emphasized in this way, like, bigger DS from 00:27:643 (1) - to 00:28:034 (2) - , and less DS from 00:28:034 (2) - to 00:28:165 (3) - , and 00:28:426 (4) - representing the snare/clap. Hope it was clear enough ^^ ~
  5. 02:10:948 (1) - the 1/1 slider here feels too long, especially when it is reversed. Why not remove the reverse and add more objects to match the intensity of the patterns around and the song? example
    Note: 02:14:861 (5) - 02:16:426 (5) - 02:17:991 (5) - same here. though it'd be mapped in a slightly different way to match the instruments and vocals more. Those feel like some kind of gaps in comparison with the rest of the part.
    This part is basically a more emphasized copy of the previous similar part. Since the pitch was higher, I set the DS of objects to be generally larger as well. The sliders are there since they use the same rhythm here. But I do get your point, since it's more emphasized, it could be separated into more objects to cover up other instruments. But I feel like the difficulty addition is not necessary in this mean, as well as that DS from 02:10:948 (1) - to 02:11:599 (2) - is actually quite large, so I wouldn't rather consider an even bigger emphasis. Pretty much same to the other parts, where I don't want to tense up too much for the player since it's also the ending, it feels rude since it's not being very special in the music except for the pitch change.

    I really liked the difficulty though it felt like the hitsounding was too spammed at times due to exttremely long samples.
    Thank you! I always try to be consistent with quality. I think I'll adjust some hitsound volumes at some point to make it sound a bit less obvious~
Best of luck!
Thanks a lot for modding Bakari!

-Tochi wrote:

Bakari wrote:

[-Tochi's Hard]
  1. 00:01:035 - the volume levels of two concurrent timing lines conflict here. Please, set the same volume settings for both of them. Fixed
  2. 00:36:774 (4,1) - 00:38:078 (4,5) - the patterns are visually similar, yet the jump is used only for the second one, which makes it harder to read and somewhat inconsistent. Consider adding a jump to 00:36:774 (4,1) - as well. It will represent the music better, the jump itself will be easier to read as there is a new combo and it will get players ready for the next jump. Fixed
  3. 00:42:774 - the violin starts here, yet the beat gets no clickable object. So, players migh assume that you ommited the violin, yet you start mapping it from the second beat on 00:42:904 (6) - which makes the rhythm feel irregular. I would suggest sometihng different, as to get the violin beats mapped in a more accurate way. shorten (5) and then move and rearrange the following part? Fixed, but with another solution
  4. 00:51:904 - why do you keep the downbeat unstressed here? Pretty much every downbeat in the next few combos is mapped with a clickable object, so this pattern does stand out in a rather confusing way to me. Split the 1/1 slider? The slider (5) is mapped according to how the vocals are heard, the last word he says starts on the slider's head and then it ends on the slider's end, but he just holds the last letter in the word. After that i just mapped with more circles as this diff was suggested to have more objects.
  5. 01:01:034 (5,6) - the jump is not too hard to get, but it is quite sudden as there aren't any similar patterns before and this one stands out all by itself being the only one. Consider reducing the spacing to make it fit with your difficulty concept better? example Same pattern is repeated throughout this section, and you can basically only hover at the sliderhead on the first pattern, since the cursor will still be inside the sliderfollow-circle. The rest of the partterns will not be surprising as they already played the first one.

    I appreciate the way you followed the feel of the song and tried to represent it visually. Yet, I believe that this difficulty is way too complex in terms of reading in comparison with the Advanced difficulty, which results in a sort of massive difficulty gap in-between thos difficulties. Perhaps, in this case discussing the matter with the mapper of the Advance ddifficulty would improve the situation. Meh, I was recommended to make it more hard so the gap between this diff and Emilia's Insane isn't that big :v
Thanks for the mod!
will do the tags and other general stuff when all diffs are updated and all
Last edited by Syph , edited 3 times in total.
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SnowNiNo_

Bakari wrote:

[NiNo's Insane]
  1. 00:48:513 (3,1,2) - in this pattern only (2) recieved spacing emphasis, even though both (1) and (2) sound similar. S there any way we could stress both of the objects? somthing of that kind, perhaps? cool
    Note: 00:50:861 (5,1) - sort of similar thing would apply here and in a few similar patterns.this kinda similar part i want to keep the structure instead since it express very well on vocals
  2. 01:33:382 (1,4) - it would be fantastic if we could color-code the velocity changes to make them more readable, as it is extremely difficult to read the velocity change on (1) as of now. done
    Note: alternatively, you could avoid this specific slider as the rest of the changes are fairly easy to read.

    Could be just my subjective perception of the song but I believe that due to the high slider velocity there was little spacing emphasis applied, which sort of damaged the overall impression kiais produced on me. Apart from that it was okay.well this is my bad actually cuz i make the wub part too hard to i nerf all other parts lol so there might be some bad spacing emphasis xd well but i do all wat i could do to keep consistent spacing emphasis
thx for mod
ranked plz
osu file format v14

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- Frontier -
1,854 posts
Joined April 2014
- Frontier -
Is it still not finished yet? It's still wip lol
Syph
848 posts
Joined August 2014
Topic Starter
Syph
it doesn't really make a difference so i keep forgetting lol
xLolicore-
636 posts
Joined June 2014
xLolicore-
@Bakari: I mapped the GD back in November so my mapping's changed heaps since then. I've been considering remapping it, you think that would be a better choice?
Last edited by xLolicore- , edited 1 time in total.
Cheesecake
729 posts
Joined December 2013
Cheesecake

Bakari wrote:

[Cheesecake's Normal]

  • As it is the easiest difficulty of the set, it could have used a little less dence rhythm. Probably even introduce more 3/1 gaps, for instance in patterns like 00:08:861 (3,4) - as the tail of the slider is not snapped to the stronger beat anyway. In this diff I pretty much only map to the drums when there's nothing else to map to, in this intro I mapped to the flute(?) instrument. On each new note, there's a new object. Drums weren't even considered here, nor are they throughout most of the map

    What I would suggest doing is a generalization of the rhythm, so that it would focus more on stronger beats and have less weaker drums mapped, creating a more intuitively-playable difficulty that would be a lot more beginner friendly. For instance, we cold use a far less dense rhythm for the intro, by focusing on the main instruments and filtering the weaker beats. Like before, I don't see drums as the main instrument. Using those kind of gaps in the rhythm would be incredible unnatural for me to do here, and you can argue that I should do it anyway to compromise and make it easier for the baby players - but I think most people underestimate them, once they understand that you hold for sliders then this slider dense difficulty won't be a problem to them

    Some of the slidertails are snapped to some really weak beats as well, and it would be possible to replace them with circles as to reduce the densiyty and follow the same concept as suggested above. For instance, 00:18:252 (1,2) - here. Now, it's vocals that are the most prominent part of the song, not the drums or whatever other background noises there are. Just circles here would be incredibly boring, and I take greater pride than that in my difficulties

    The overall impression of the difficulty is something of a mixture between appreciation of the neat patterns and confusion caused by the rhythm choice. I believe that even for a Normal difficulty the density could still be a lot lower as the idea of the easiest difficulty is to focus more on the most important sounds. It may come a bit weird at first, but I hope you will get the idea, the difficulty feels overdone for what it is. My idea of the most important sounds are clearly different to yours. Every song has a drum line - they're all tediously similar and boring to map and play, I much prefer focusing on the parts of the song that are more unique to it. It might seem overdone, but really most of the density is in long sliders and repeat sliders, which like I mentioned earlier are easier than more circles once the player is used to the concept of playing sliders
I'm sorry, but I really don't see any way to implement these changes without severely worsening the map to fit the more generic idea of an Easy, which in my opinion is a few years out of date at this point. Thank you for your mod.
Reillia
1,162 posts
Joined August 2014
Reillia
@Bakari
00:22:948 (4) - i want to catch only piano sound
01:41:208 (1) - i want to feel long pull at 3/2 sliders
Thx for mod!
asd
osu file format v14

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Natsu
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Natsu
General

  1. soft-hitwhistle80.wav soft-hitwhistle95.wav soft-hitwhistle98.wav, with possible delay check it out

Air of the Sea

  1. 00:04:165 (1,4) - the overlap doens't looks that nice xd
  2. 00:09:382 (3,4) - I'd make this a slider so the transition between instruments is better, also 4 isn't relevant in the music at all
  3. 00:35:469 (1,2) - 2 sounds super out place, remove 2 or end the slider 1 at 00:35:795 - and use a 1/2 slider from 00:35:861 - that would fit the music better
  4. 00:38:339 (3,4) - btw beats like this one are really missing hitsounds, some soft whistles would work nicely (there are more in the full diff)
  5. 00:44:078 (1,2) - the jump is a bit out place don't u think? since 2 doesn't have any relevant sound and other similar beats use less spacing, for example:00:44:599 (1,2) -
  6. 00:56:208 (4,2) - they are touching the HP bar, according to the RC you should avoid doing such things
  7. 00:55:817 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6) - btw talking about this maybe you can organize them better? I mean it would be more acceptable if you do some kind of geometrical pattern instead of the free style jumping, also if you notice the music at several parts is divided by 3 not by six, for example 00:56:599 (1,2,3) - 00:56:991 (4,5,6) - 00:57:382 (1,2,3) - 00:57:774 (4,5,6) - the melody is in groups of 3
  8. 01:02:860 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - again the main problem of the maps are the hitsounds, when you're clicking this part is like clicking the air, there is no feedback, the problem is the hitnormal being almost inaudible and this really needs to be fixed (btw you can also organize the pattern better)
  9. 01:12:773 (3,4) - use a slider instead and keep following the vocals as the two previous sliders in the same combo do


Work on hitsounds more, the hitnormal is too low and doesn't bring feedback when clicking stuff, also when the piano comes and there are multiple circles would be nice to add whistles to bring some more feedback, I like the map, so let me know for remod it when you are done with this.
Syph
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Syph

Natsu wrote:

General

  1. soft-hitwhistle80.wav soft-hitwhistle95.wav soft-hitwhistle98.wav, with possible delay check it out those are from moecho's diff so i'll have her look at it
Air of the Sea

  1. 00:04:165 (1,4) - the overlap doens't looks that nice xd true
  2. 00:09:382 (3,4) - I'd make this a slider so the transition between instruments is better, also 4 isn't relevant in the music at all okay
  3. 00:35:469 (1,2) - 2 sounds super out place, remove 2 or end the slider 1 at 00:35:795 - and use a 1/2 slider from 00:35:861 - that would fit the music better removed 2
  4. 00:38:339 (3,4) - btw beats like this one are really missing hitsounds, some soft whistles would work nicely (there are more in the full diff) yeah, tried my best to add some
  5. 00:44:078 (1,2) - the jump is a bit out place don't u think? since 2 doesn't have any relevant sound and other similar beats use less spacing, for example:00:44:599 (1,2) - reduced owo
  6. 00:56:208 (4,2) - they are touching the HP bar, according to the RC you should avoid doing such things fixed
  7. 00:55:817 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6) - btw talking about this maybe you can organize them better? I mean it would be more acceptable if you do some kind of geometrical pattern instead of the free style jumping, also if you notice the music at several parts is divided by 3 not by six, for example 00:56:599 (1,2,3) - 00:56:991 (4,5,6) - 00:57:382 (1,2,3) - 00:57:774 (4,5,6) - the melody is in groups of 3 i feel this is perfectly fine lol, i don't like geometric shapes for jumps, feels really boring to me..
    the groups of 3 is a bit irrelevant anyway since i've mapped it around the way of every downbeat since it has the strongest sound basically
  8. 01:02:860 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - again the main problem of the maps are the hitsounds, when you're clicking this part is like clicking the air, there is no feedback, the problem is the hitnormal being almost inaudible and this really needs to be fixed (btw you can also organize the pattern better) not sure what's bad about the pattern but tried to fix the hitsounds
  9. 01:12:773 (3,4) - use a slider instead and keep following the vocals as the two previous sliders in the same combo do sure


Work on hitsounds more, the hitnormal is too low and doesn't bring feedback when clicking stuff, also when the piano comes and there are multiple circles would be nice to add whistles to bring some more feedback, I like the map, so let me know for remod it when you are done with this. basically redid hitsounds completely, hopefully better now~
thanks owo
DeRandom Otaku
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Joined November 2014
DeRandom Otaku

Bakari wrote:

[Ren's Extra]
  1. 00:03:904 (5,1) - I would increase the distance here to make intro and the later part contrast even more. It would match better with the actual feel of the song.
  2. 00:07:165 (4,1) - 00:08:600 (3,1) - the parts are very similar in sound, yet the first one has no jumop whereas the other one is stressed with a jump. Try to be a bit more consistent and apply a kjump to the first pattern as well?
  3. 00:21:122 (3,1) - just to match the previous patterning some kind of a jump would help to stress the vocals and separatethe slider visually from the previous combo. Let's try this?
  4. 00:36:904 (6,1) - can we lower the spacing here a little? I believe that the spacing change is too drastic and it may feel a b it overdone in this context. The way song goes from that calm part to intense part is drastic as well so the spacing here is fine
  5. 00:48:513 (4,1,2,3) - can you comment on the spacing usage here? 00:48:774 (1,2) - these two are very similar, so I believe that they should be stressed in an identical way, instead of combining antijump and a regular-spaced pattern. Tried to make it technical, players wont have a hard time reading it tho since the ar is pretty High
  6. 01:05:208 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) - it would be amazing if we could use the same three-slider pattern three times to match the vocals perfectly. So, the whole thing would look like this if the screen allowed me earlier, i would have done that lol.
    Note: 02:15:643 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) - the same idea would apply here
  7. 01:34:165 (1,2,3) - as these three sliders represent similar bass sounds, spacing and shaping them in a similar wqay would help. wrong.
    the slider 01:34:687 (3) - Has a much different wub sound
  8. 01:43:817 (2,3) - I feel like the intensity of the patterns around requires a bigger spacing to be used here to emphasise the bass sound.
  9. 01:54:774 (2,3,1) - if we compare the intensity of beats, (1) should be spaced further. Besides, this will also add a bit more contrast to the SV difference, making the idea you intended even more vivid.
  10. 02:27:121 (3,1,2,3) - compare the intensity of 3-1 and 2-3. It feels like both hitsounding and comboing suggest that the 3-1 jump should be bigger than the other one.

    I feel like we could discuss the spacing emphasis a bit more as well as talk about the visuals in general. rhythmically it was quite alright.
Don't kudosu, still wip.
Changed a lot of stuff.
Thanks a lot!
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-sandAI
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wew nice song and mapset :O
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hit the yeet
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