Zekk - Calling · forum

PandaHero

Joined November 2011

PandaHero 2017-11-04T07:45:19+00:00

Strategas wrote:
[pandahero]
01:10:009 (2,3,4,5,6) - too long 1/2 chain

Fixed, thanks

osu file format v14

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Strategas

1,378 posts

Joined July 2013

Strategas 2017-11-06T18:31:38+00:00

nominated

NeilPerry

301 posts

Joined May 2011

Topic Starter

NeilPerry 2017-11-06T18:36:03+00:00

Thaaank

OneRing

86 posts

Joined February 2015

OneRing 2017-11-06T18:55:42+00:00

Рашку с колен!

Doormat

2,049 posts

Joined September 2013

Doormat 2017-11-12T05:39:10+00:00

yo, sorry it's late

why are there so many bookmarks on the break lol it's bloating the file size

[Easy]

00:22:675 - personally feel it would be better to end the rhythm here, since this is where the shift in the music begins. you could try adding a circle here or making 00:22:342 (2) - a 1/1 slider
00:49:009 - feels odd to skip this note here; music is building up here so i think it'd be nice to include. also goes for 01:31:675 -
01:56:175 (3) - i feel this would work more effectively as a repeat 1/1 slider like your previous patterns, especially because the sound on 01:56:842 - is really emphasized. might need to move your next few notes though.

[PandaHero]

01:06:009 - honestly you could put in another 1/1 slider here; it feels really awkward to just leave the phrase ending on 01:05:842 -
01:57:009 (6,1) - this rhythm doesn't really fit the music all that well. music is placing more emphasis on the downbeat, so skipping it over like this is bleugh. perhaps you could try something like this?
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[Hard]

00:58:175 (3) - 01:14:175 (3) - wouldn't these be more appropriate as 3 circles like you used with 01:03:509 (3,4,5,6) - ? associating the same sounds this way would make the map stand out more imoi
01:10:009 (2,3,4) - ^similarly to the above, using a Ctrl+G on the rhythm here so that the clickable points are on the "ah-ah-ah" would stand out more imo

[Reiji]

01:29:175 (5,6) - honestly i feel that a Ctrl+G here for the rhythm would be better; the synth here is in a set of four, so ending the last clickable beat here on the downbeat would help emphasize that
01:44:009 (1,2) - this is the only time you use high 1/4 spacing that it comes off as off-putting. it'd be more appropriate to use a similar spacing to something like 01:48:009 (1,2) -

[Mirash]

00:30:842 (1) - why does the slider end here have a normal whistle? sounds really out of place
00:39:509 (2) - same here, the whistle isn't necessary; the clap is all that's really needed
00:52:342 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12) - this stream is overmapped; there aren't even any identifiable sounds on the blue ticks. i'd be more forgiving if they were slider ends, similar to what winber did, but as it currently stands making this a stream feels overdone.
00:58:009 (5,6,7,8,9) - 01:03:342 (4,1,2) - 01:08:842 (3,4,5) - 01:10:009 (1,2,3,4) - 01:14:175 (5,6,7) - these are the same "ah-ah-ah" sounds in the music, why are they mapped so differently? some consistency would go a long way at emphasizing these sounds better
00:58:925 (2) - personally i think simplifying this into a circle would be better
01:35:342 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - this is also pretty overmapped. the only distinguishable sound on the blue ticks i can hear is after 01:35:675 (5) - . if you're going to include blue tick sounds here, i don't think 01:35:425 (2,3) - should be clickable
01:41:509 (1,2,3) - 01:52:175 (1,2,3) - don't do this. at this difficulty level, the 1/8 slider makes the reading here much more difficult than it really needs to be. the slider in the middle of the triple can really confuse players, especially because it comes across as unexpected. it'd be much more appropriate to just simplify it into a circle
01:50:009 (1,2,3,4,5) - not going to use a similar rhythm to 01:38:675 (1,2,1,2,3,4,5,6) - ? feels really dumbed down when it's the same sounds, but ok.

[Komore]

00:30:342 (3) - might be better to remove the normal sampleset here; sounds really weird compared to 00:30:009 (1,2,4) -
01:09:009 (2) - don't really hear the sound on the yellow tick here that warrants this be a 1/8 repeat slider. i think a regular 1/4 slider would work more effectively, like you did with 00:58:342 (2) - and 01:03:675 (2) -
01:10:175 (2) - just an idea, but why not try making this a 1/4 slider too, so that it can be like all the other "ah" sounds here?
really neat diff

[Regou]

00:39:009 (3,1) - if you're going to use a speed-up here, i wouldn't really recommend doubling the SV of (3), it kind of looks confusing. maybe try 0.9x or 0.8x?
00:47:675 (4) - don't think this is the best idea for a long slider like this; music is still building up and it kind of breaks the pacing of your previous pattern. it also doesn't really have a sound that emphasizes a long sound like 00:50:342 (4) - has. maybe try two 1/4 sliders? same with 01:30:342 (1) -
basically the kiais: you can barely notice the slider end for the 1/8 repeat sliders like 00:58:842 (1) - . i can sort of get behind using the 0.1x slider SV for 1/4 sliders, but with 1/8 sliders that's pushing it too far. honestly if you're going to go for 1/8 sliders like that the map would probably be better off using 0.2x slider SV instead of 0.1x
01:26:675 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5) - doesn't really feel that intuitive to play. the triple at 01:27:342 (1,2,3) - really feels confusing and out of place with the rest of the rhythms used, so why not try using a 1/4 slider at 01:27:342 (1) - ? you might need to restructure your patterns though
01:59:842 (2,3,4) - mm maybe try Ctrl+G the triangle here? i feel the movement would flow more smoothly

[winber1]

00:47:175 (4,5,6,7) - i don't think this rhythm works; the music is clearly placing an emphasis more on the red/white ticks, so placing clickable objects on the blue ticks isn't very intuitive nor does it really make much rhythmic sense
00:47:675 (1) - mentioned in Regou's diff as well, but i feel that the slower slider doesn't work for this part since the buildup is still going and there isn't much to give this note that much distinction that would warrant a change like this
00:49:342 (1,2,3) - why the jitter lol
00:58:925 (2,3,4) - 01:09:592 (1,2,3) - 01:41:592 (1,2,3) - 01:52:259 (1,2,3) - 1/8 triples are way too demanding to ask of the player. 360bpm triples please no :c
01:29:842 (5,6,7,8) - read the first point
01:30:342 (1) - read the second point

[Iridescent]

might be a good idea to silence some of your slider ends at the beginning. the hit-normal really stands out on those blue ticks s:
00:52:009 (1,2,1,2) - honestly i think it might be a good idea if this wasn't parallel with the previous jump pattern 00:51:342 (1,2,1,2) - . music has a slight shift in it due to the downbeat, so it'd be neat to see the jumps reflect that as well
01:13:175 (1) - 01:49:342 (1) - based on your colourhacks shouldn't these be the darker gray?
01:34:675 (1,2,1,2) - same as the second point
01:57:342 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5) - the 1/8s feel kind of overdone here. music is nowhere near that dense, so i don't see how the 1/8s are justifiable here

not sure how i feel pushing this forward. i'll take a look at the responses and decide then-

winber1

4,520 posts

Joined February 2010

winber1 2017-11-12T06:04:53+00:00

Doormat wrote:
[winber1]
00:47:175 (4,5,6,7) - i don't think this rhythm works; the music is clearly placing an emphasis more on the red/white ticks, so placing clickable objects on the blue ticks isn't very intuitive nor does it really make much rhythmic sense following drums, i just didn't like leaving them out
00:47:675 (1) - mentioned in Regou's diff as well, but i feel that the slower slider doesn't work for this part since the buildup is still going and there isn't much to give this note that much distinction that would warrant a change like this doesn't make sense as a 3/4 length slider with the same SV, it also matches with the "honk" like synth sound in the back
00:49:342 (1,2,3) - why the jitter lol idk, i just didn't like how it looked as a stack, but you're probably right that makes more sense as a stack,
i also felt that it fit with the design of the map and i wanted to somehow emphasize that background melody without anything major
00:58:925 (2,3,4) - 01:09:592 (1,2,3) - 01:41:592 (1,2,3) - 01:52:259 (1,2,3) - 1/8 triples are way too demanding to ask of the player. 360bpm triples please no :c disagree tbh, map is an extra diff anyways and i don't put 1/8 triplets within a stream. Doing that would be a little to demanding, but for most people doing a really quick burst is not too hard to manage within sliders (since sliders also make accuracy more lenient to begin with)
01:29:842 (5,6,7,8) - read the first point
01:30:342 (1) - read the second point

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Regou

1,916 posts

Joined July 2010

Regou 2017-11-12T06:11:38+00:00

Doormat wrote:
yo, sorry it's late

why are there so many bookmarks on the break lol it's bloating the file size

[Regou]
00:39:009 (3,1) - if you're going to use a speed-up here, i wouldn't really recommend doubling the SV of (3), it kind of looks confusing. maybe try 0.9x or 0.8x? changed it to 0.9x
00:47:675 (4) - don't think this is the best idea for a long slider like this; music is still building up and it kind of breaks the pacing of your previous pattern. it also doesn't really have a sound that emphasizes a long sound like 00:50:342 (4) - has. maybe try two 1/4 sliders? same with 01:30:342 (1) - alright
basically the kiais: you can barely notice the slider end for the 1/8 repeat sliders like 00:58:842 (1) - . i can sort of get behind using the 0.1x slider SV for 1/4 sliders, but with 1/8 sliders that's pushing it too far. honestly if you're going to go for 1/8 sliders like that the map would probably be better off using 0.2x slider SV instead of 0.1x I originally want to slider end nearly unnoticeable so as to do a hold note here but it seems that it's really risky to push something like this forward. Changed the SV to 0.2x.
01:26:675 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5) - doesn't really feel that intuitive to play. the triple at 01:27:342 (1,2,3) - really feels confusing and out of place with the rest of the rhythms used, so why not try using a 1/4 slider at 01:27:342 (1) - ? you might need to restructure your patterns though the beat on 01:27:425 (2) - is relatively strong in the music i'd prefer having it clickable here
01:59:842 (2,3,4) - mm maybe try Ctrl+G the triangle here? i feel the movement would flow more smoothly this is mostly related to my own gameplay style as a mouse only player it's pretty hard to do a smooth and quick circular flow movement having more angular movement makes the pattern easier to play for me
not sure how i feel pushing this forward. i'll take a look at the responses and decide then-

Thanks for modding!!

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NeilPerry

301 posts

Joined May 2011

Topic Starter

NeilPerry 2017-11-12T06:21:51+00:00

Doormat wrote:
yo, sorry it's late

why are there so many bookmarks on the break lol it's bloating the file size

[Easy]
00:22:675 - personally feel it would be better to end the rhythm here, since this is where the shift in the music begins. you could try adding a circle here or making 00:22:342 (2) - a 1/1 slider
00:49:009 - feels odd to skip this note here; music is building up here so i think it'd be nice to include. also goes for 01:31:675 -
01:56:175 (3) - i feel this would work more effectively as a repeat 1/1 slider like your previous patterns, especially because the sound on 01:56:842 - is really emphasized. might need to move your next few notes though.

[Hard]
00:58:175 (3) - 01:14:175 (3) - wouldn't these be more appropriate as 3 circles like you used with 01:03:509 (3,4,5,6) - ? associating the same sounds this way would make the map stand out more imoi
01:10:009 (2,3,4) - ^similarly to the above, using a Ctrl+G on the rhythm here so that the clickable points are on the "ah-ah-ah" would stand out more imo

[Iridescent]
might be a good idea to silence some of your slider ends at the beginning. the hit-normal really stands out on those blue ticks s: ya sure
00:52:009 (1,2,1,2) - honestly i think it might be a good idea if this wasn't parallel with the previous jump pattern 00:51:342 (1,2,1,2) - . music has a slight shift in it due to the downbeat, so it'd be neat to see the jumps reflect that as well tbh i tryed to emphzed with slow spacing rising on that slight shift. and swap angle 00:52:675 (1,2,1,2) - here cuz sound of beat got changed a bit. so guess it reasonable.
01:13:175 (1) - 01:49:342 (1) - based on your colourhacks shouldn't these be the darker gray? ya[/colour]
01:34:675 (1,2,1,2) - same as the second point
01:57:342 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5) - the 1/8s feel kind of overdone here. music is nowhere near that dense, so i don't see how the 1/8s are justifiable [color=#BF0000]here
music extends perfectly to 1\8 tails. if listen it on x0.25 speed its sounds perfectly with ending on this ticks 01:57:384 - 01:57:467 - etc.

For easy and hard stuff applied all. Thanks!
Also bookmarks removed in diffs with spamming on break. And im restructure NC in hard diff in first kiai cuz of rythm changes.
Uhh forum ruins colours. x__x

Last edited by NeilPerry 2017-11-12T12:15:27+00:00, edited 1 time in total.

PandaHero

662 posts

Joined November 2011

PandaHero 2017-11-12T08:34:29+00:00

Doormat wrote:
yo, sorry it's late

why are there so many bookmarks on the break lol it's bloating the file size

[PandaHero]
01:06:009 - honestly you could put in another 1/1 slider here; it feels really awkward to just leave the phrase ending on 01:05:842 -
Uhh, maybe it's really awkward for normal diffs, I never think about it. Slider added.
01:57:009 (6,1) - this rhythm doesn't really fit the music all that well. music is placing more emphasis on the downbeat, so skipping it over like this is bleugh. perhaps you could try something like this?
SPOILER
Yeah, it sounds better now

not sure how i feel pushing this forward. i'll take a look at the responses and decide then-

thank you

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Mirash

Beatmap Nominator

705 posts

Joined June 2013

Mirash 2017-11-12T09:03:42+00:00

Doormat wrote:
00:30:842 (1) - why does the slider end here have a normal whistle? sounds really out of place this thing givin nice effect of something new in music just before changes in it
00:39:509 (2) - same here, the whistle isn't necessary; the clap is all that's really needed same reason
00:52:342 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12) - this stream is overmapped; there aren't even any identifiable sounds on the blue ticks. i'd be more forgiving if they were slider ends, similar to what winber did, but as it currently stands making this a stream feels overdone. it is here to represent sound that goes higher with every 1/2, though i don't mind changing it into kick sliders, k
00:58:009 (5,6,7,8,9) - 01:03:342 (4,1,2) - 01:08:842 (3,4,5) - 01:10:009 (1,2,3,4) - 01:14:175 (5,6,7) - these are the same "ah-ah-ah" sounds in the music, why are they mapped so differently? some consistency would go a long way at emphasizing these sounds better indeed, they sound same, but their appearance in music isn't. 00:58:259 (6,7,8,9) - just after this thing goes somewhat weaker section (that i also highlighted with slider), so making here a stream will give weaker section more effect. 01:03:675 (1,2) - just notes works well with strong 01:04:009 (3) - crash on the slider imo, and kick sliders are for non significant ah-ah-ah, they play a bit differently than circles and are stacked so players wont notice them i think and thats what i want. 01:10:009 (1,2,3,4) - and yeah this is the most strong ah-ah-ah as i can see, so thats the circles here, which meant to be snapped by a player uh
00:58:925 (2) - personally i think simplifying this into a circle would be better hm, it was a circle before, but the thing is slider tail covers that important sound of "drop" or something and it sounds more accurate to the music
01:35:342 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - this is also pretty overmapped. the only distinguishable sound on the blue ticks i can hear is after 01:35:675 (5) - . if you're going to include blue tick sounds here, i don't think 01:35:425 (2,3) - should be clickable reworked, though i don't think overmap as something xD if it is pretty unnoticeable
01:41:509 (1,2,3) - 01:52:175 (1,2,3) - don't do this. at this difficulty level, the 1/8 slider makes the reading here much more difficult than it really needs to be. the slider in the middle of the triple can really confuse players, especially because it comes across as unexpected. it'd be much more appropriate to just simplify it into a circle uhh, here you may be right, changed
01:50:009 (1,2,3,4,5) - not going to use a similar rhythm to 01:38:675 (1,2,1,2,3,4,5,6) - ? feels really dumbed down when it's the same sounds, but ok. kinda wanted to show overlapped sliders just at the start of the section, mm, also music isn't entirely same after this thing so..

schoolboy

571 posts

Joined July 2016

schoolboy 2017-11-12T11:42:32+00:00

fixed allll thanks

osu file format v14

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Reiji-RJ

1,402 posts

Joined April 2010

Reiji-RJ 2017-11-12T12:07:24+00:00

Doormat wrote:
[Reiji]
01:29:175 (5,6) - honestly i feel that a Ctrl+G here for the rhythm would be better; the synth here is in a set of four, so ending the last clickable beat here on the downbeat would help emphasize that not fixed, cause it was made on purpose (see 01:30:842 (1,2,3,4) - this patten). I like sliders starting from red tick!
01:44:009 (1,2) - this is the only time you use high 1/4 spacing that it comes off as off-putting. it'd be more appropriate to use a similar spacing to something like 01:48:009 (1,2) - put them closer

Thank you very much!!

Doormat

2,049 posts

Joined September 2013

Doormat 2017-11-16T06:30:45+00:00

winber1 wrote:
00:58:925 (2,3,4) - 01:09:592 (1,2,3) - 01:41:592 (1,2,3) - 01:52:259 (1,2,3) - 1/8 triples are way too demanding to ask of the player. 360bpm triples please no :c disagree tbh, map is an extra diff anyways and i don't put 1/8 triplets within a stream. Doing that would be a little to demanding, but for most people doing a really quick burst is not too hard to manage within sliders (since sliders also make accuracy more lenient to begin with) that's fair, but there needs to be a better way to telegraph that these are 1/8 if that's the case then. as it currently is right now i can see these being confused as 1/4 triples. personally i think a 1/8 slider would be more effective at telegraphing (and make it less demanding for players while keeping the core idea the same) so you could try that as an alternative as well

Reiji-RJ wrote:
[Reiji]
01:44:009 (1,2) - this is the only time you use high 1/4 spacing that it comes off as off-putting. it'd be more appropriate to use a similar spacing to something like 01:48:009 (1,2) - put them closer still a little bit far apart, but does look better. maybe try rotating (1) by 30 degrees anti-clockwise from selection centre?

everything else i can more or less accept. reply back when you're able to and i'll qualify, i guess

winber1

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winber1 2017-11-16T07:07:32+00:00

Talked with doormat a littel bit, but basically the argument is that kiai time has no stacked 1/4 ticks and I also believe that the approach circles are very visibly closer together for more experienced players, for which this map is intended for anyways. So I think it is okay to keep it as is.

Doormat

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Doormat 2017-11-16T07:18:13+00:00

all issues/complaints i had have been addressed, so let's give this a shot at qualified-

NeilPerry

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NeilPerry 2017-11-16T07:18:47+00:00

thanks <3

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