Chocola_2287 wrote:

IRC mod with mapper.

log

18:30 jack1817: Hi. Do you accept NM?
18:30 Chocola_2287: np it
18:30 *jack1817 is listening to [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1396432 R3 Music Box - Deep in Abyss]
18:30 Chocola_2287: irc?
18:31 jack1817: You want irc then sure!
18:31 Chocola_2287: I prefer irc, this map is short. Making it pointless to be forum mod
18:31 jack1817: ok
18:31 Chocola_2287: Kantan:
18:31 Chocola_2287: uh wait
18:32 Chocola_2287: You should not use 1.6SV for all diffs
18:32 Chocola_2287: in taiko we use 1.4 only
18:32 Chocola_2287: if you want to use SV in taiko, it should be done in slider multiplier
18:33 jack1817: didn't the criteria say 1.4 or 1.6? owo
18:33 Chocola_2287: SV multiplier
18:33 Chocola_2287: I would say that's outdated
18:33 Chocola_2287: maps ranked recently never use 1.6
18:34 Chocola_2287: it is only adjusted if the song is too fast, and it is in lower diff like kantan/futsuu
18:34 jack1817: So if I use green lines to do the 1.6x effect, thats ok?
18:34 Chocola_2287: k
18:34 jack1817: ok :)
18:34 Chocola_2287: red lines should lay on map
18:34 Chocola_2287: 's 1st note
18:35 Chocola_2287: i.e. 00:02:526-
18:35 Chocola_2287: 00:02:526 (1) - 
18:35 Chocola_2287: wait
18:35 Chocola_2287: nvm
18:36 Chocola_2287: you started muzu and oni earlier than kantan/futsuu does
18:36 jack1817: yes owo
18:37 Chocola_2287: kantan lacks 4/1 break
18:37 Chocola_2287: 00:11:276 (9) - delete to allow 4/1 break
18:37 Chocola_2287: 00:21:276 (18) - ^
18:37 jack1817: ok
18:38 Chocola_2287: 00:28:776 (24) - you might want to make it same as futsuu diff
18:39 Chocola_2287: 00:47:526 (41) - d, unify with higher diffs
18:39 jack1817: for (24) which pattern of the two diffs do you prefer?
18:40 Chocola_2287: nah I mean moving the note 1/2 before
18:41 Chocola_2287: because that's what you did in higher diff
18:41 jack1817: ok
18:41 Chocola_2287: Futsuu:
18:42 Chocola_2287: 00:33:463 (40) - 
18:42 Chocola_2287: you might want to make this k
18:42 Chocola_2287: or made the same note in kantan d
18:42 Chocola_2287: unify usage among diffs
18:43 jack1817: ok
18:43 Chocola_2287: 00:36:588 - add d? you place note on all diff but this
18:44 Chocola_2287: 00:39:713 (46) - k? unify usage among all diffs
18:44 jack1817: ok
18:45 Chocola_2287: 00:53:362 (63) - k ? high pitch (apply to kantan too
18:45 jack1817: ok
18:45 Chocola_2287: you might have to buff futsuu a bit cos Futsuu ~ Muzukashii gap is larger than Kantan ~ Futsuu gap
18:46 Chocola_2287: there is some major spread issue among whole set rn
18:46 Chocola_2287: Muzukashii:
18:46 jack1817: Futsuu is 1.39* rn
18:46 Chocola_2287: I am concerning about note count, not SR
18:47 Chocola_2287: SR should never used to measure because it is flawed
18:47 jack1817: ok
18:47 jack1817: I'll fix that
18:47 Chocola_2287: 00:14:088 (28,29,30,31,32,33) - use the pattern in 00:04:088 (7,8,9,10,11,12) - 
18:47 Chocola_2287: 1)Consistency , 2)Make spread with Oni
18:48 jack1817: ok
18:48 Chocola_2287: 00:21:901 (45) - delete? you did not place note on all diff but this
18:48 jack1817: ok delete
18:49 Chocola_2287: 00:33:463 - add? you place note on all diff but this
18:49 jack1817: ok
18:50 Chocola_2287: 00:42:526 - & 00:43:463 add? , make a good spread among futsuu ~ oni
18:51 jack1817: ok
18:51 Chocola_2287: 00:52:470 add, make spread with futsuu
18:51 Chocola_2287: add d*
18:51 jack1817: ok
18:51 Chocola_2287: Oni:
18:52 Chocola_2287: 00:30:651 (15) - delete? no relatived sound effect here
18:53 Chocola_2287: 00:32:526 (18,19) - Ctrl + G, maintain 00:32:526 (18) - as d as you did on other diffs
18:53 jack1817: ok
18:54 Chocola_2287: 00:44:401 (20) - change to d. helps represent 00:43:776 (18,19,20,21) - is a upward pitch flow
18:54 jack1817: ok
18:54 Chocola_2287: 00:48:463 (30,34) - delete, they are taking off some emphasis on 00:48:776 (31,35) - 
18:55 Chocola_2287: or change muzu to ddk ddk to make spread
18:55 Chocola_2287: I prefer making muzu to ddk ddk to have a better spread
18:56 jack1817: ok

thanks for irc mod!

Nardoxyribonucleic wrote:

Here comes a brief check upon testplaying the top difficulty.

IRC mod with jack1817, Aug 27, 2017

00:43 jack1817: Hello. May I ask for a taiko testplay from you?
00:44 Nardoxyribonucleic: hmm okay
00:45 jack1817: thanks
00:45 jack1817: https://osu.ppy.sh/s/659371
00:49 *Nardoxyribonucleic is playing [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/1396432 R3 Music Box - Deep in Abyss [Naraku no Soko de Matsu]] <Taiko> +HardRock
00:50 jack1817: any major issues? owo
00:51 Nardoxyribonucleic: 00:52:978 (41,42) - seems not necessary
00:51 Nardoxyribonucleic: or at least remove 42
00:52 jack1817: even though there are sounds there? tho it is very quiet
00:52 Nardoxyribonucleic: As the music is fading out, 1/4 sounds out of place
00:53 jack1817: ok I'll remove 42 then
00:56 Nardoxyribonucleic: 00:00:026 - Hmm what is the reason of using 1.14x SV
00:56 jack1817: umm. To make it be equivilant to 1.6
00:57 jack1817: 1.4*1.14 is about 1.6
00:57 Nardoxyribonucleic: Then I guess no need...
00:57 Nardoxyribonucleic: 1.4 is good enough
00:57 jack1817: really?
00:58 Nardoxyribonucleic: Yes.
00:58 jack1817: ok. I'll fix the multipliers then
01:01 Nardoxyribonucleic: 00:32:526 - 00:48:776 - maybe you can try to add some 1/4 patterns in the kiai. Looks underwhelming currently
01:02 jack1817: but the song only provides 1/2s here. will that be overmapping?
01:03 Nardoxyribonucleic: e.g. add d at 00:39:244 -
01:03 Nardoxyribonucleic: a little bit overmapped but still sounds natural
01:05 jack1817: Then I may only add so at this place.
01:05 jack1817: maybe it will be fine when aquiring BNs (?)
01:07 Nardoxyribonucleic: 00:48:619 - you may also add k to cohere with ^
01:07 Nardoxyribonucleic: so the ddk will not stand alsone
01:07 Nardoxyribonucleic: alone*
01:08 Nardoxyribonucleic: yet you may need to adjust SV to make it flow smoother
01:09 jack1817: I originally thought for making the SV as close to 1.6(now 1.4) in 96bpm as possible
01:10 Nardoxyribonucleic: 00:51:539 - add a red line here and omit first bar line for this timing point
01:11 Nardoxyribonucleic: Then 00:51:580 - uncheck omit
01:11 Nardoxyribonucleic: 00:52:470 - *
01:11 Nardoxyribonucleic: sorry 51:580 is correct
01:12 jack1817: Then should I add a red line at 00:51:539?
01:13 Nardoxyribonucleic: 00:52:390 - add a red line here and omit first bar line, then 00:52:470 - omit
01:13 jack1817: ok
01:13 Nardoxyribonucleic: ignore the previous set of suggestion
01:14 Nardoxyribonucleic: By doing so the bar lines will look aesthetically better
01:14 Nardoxyribonucleic: don't forget to adjust SV too
01:15 jack1817: Yes. I didn't know there is a solution before.
01:16 Nardoxyribonucleic: I guess that's all for now. :3 I don't have enough time to go through the remaining diffs

Good luck~

Thanks for testplaying and looking at the top diff!!

_yu68 wrote:

Hello~

mod

[Timing]

1. 00:52:390 - delete this timing point that isn't necessary adding this actually allows me to make the barline at 00:52:390 - go away so that ]00:52:470 -'s barline would not have some chaotic look there. So I'll keep it.
2. 00:52:470 - enable "Omit first bar line"

[Kantan]

1. 00:32:526 ~ 00:47:526 - In Kantan, it need to make simple rhythm in order beginners could play easy.
   
   1. 00:33:463 (27) - move to 00:33:776 - ?
   2. 00:34:713 (28) - move to 00:35:026 - ?
   3. 00:35:963 (29,30) - move to 00:35:651 - ?
   4. 00:37:526 - add d? applied
   5. 00:38:463 (31) - move to 00:38:776 - ?
   6. 00:39:713 (32) - move to 00:40:026 - ?
   7. 00:40:963 (33,34) - move to 00:40:651 - ?
   8. 00:42:526 - add d? Applied
   9. 00:43:463 (35) - move to 00:43:776 - ?
   10. 00:44:713 (36) - move to 00:45:026 - ?
   11. 00:45:963 (37,38) - move to 00:45:651 - ?

I agree that I should make this more simple, yet at the same time I want to follow the music as close as possible
Used a different way to attain simpler rhythm tho. Thanks for pointing out!!

[Futsuu]

1. 00:36:901 - add d? It's too easy for kiai.
2. 00:41:901 - add k? ^
3. 00:46:901 - add d? ^

sure
[Muzukashii]

1. 00:12:213 (24,25) - ctrl+g? same pitch as 00:02:213 (3,4) - sure!
2. 00:37:526 - 00:38:463 - add circles here like 00:32:526 (15,16) - ? silly me @@. Fixed

[Naraku no Soko de Matsu]

1. 00:12:213 (26,27) - ctrl+g? same reason as Muzukashii sure!
2. 00:23:463 (3,4) - ctrl+g? It would more match the pitch. ok!!
3. 00:25:963 (3,4) - ^

good luck for ranked! Thanks for accepting modding it

ありがとうございました！ゆちゃん～

DustMoon wrote:

这里是蠢萌的新人

kantan

00:28:151 (22) - k
00:30:026 (24) - d
00:47:526 (41,42,43,44,45) - dddkk

改了这些打上去变得更自然欸！谢谢

Noffy wrote:

Heyo~ As requested a few days ago c:
Of course, for things I mention that happen again in a difficulty, change them in similar places if you apply the suggestion.

[Naraku no Soko de Matsu]
^what a diffname haha

00:02:838 - 00:05:338 - you generally dont map this softer line, so I suggest possibly removing these notes. removed them.
00:06:901 - Maybe make this d? so that this 00:07:526 - high point as k stands out more. Good Point. fixed
00:48:619 - suddenly having this one 1/4 triple right at the end and not to a sound is kind of o.o Umm. I map this so that the triple at the middle don't be that strange.. I'll collect more views from this

[Muzukashii]
00:05:026 - maybe make this pattern dkk like in futsuu? I think it fits better with the rising pitch feeling of it. Alright
00:06:901 - same suggestion as the top diff OK
00:23:463 - even if it's to be easier, it's odd that these prominent red ticks aren't mapped. in this case, i'd suggest adding a d. that way, you have muzukashii with doubles that are the same color, and the top difficulty with two-colour doubles, which means it will still be harder.
> 00:25:963 - ^ except add k OK
00:47:838 - 00:49:104 - , you don't really map the softer line at all so far in muzukashii. maybe remove these? as going for making spread difference. But I'll remove them rn.

and uhh, that's all I found >O<// good luck! C:

sed234rrr wrote:

mod新手，還請多多指教=w=

futsuu

00:19:401 - 改d 額額
00:20:651 (28) - 可試加k 恩,有道理.

muzukashii

00:04:088 (6) - 改d 好啊
00:14:088 (24) - 改d 恩.
00:52:470 (51) - 改k (理由 : 如果51:991要放note的話對音高後那部分應該是d d k，那麼中間去掉就要d x k較合理) 好

Naraku no Soko de Matsu

00:04:088 (7,8,9,10) - 可改d k k d試試 額。這個是爲了跟前面mirror,而現在的pattern也能夠凸顯出一些音，所以我留著。
00:14:088 (28,29,30,31,32,33) - (同上)可改d k k d k d
00:37:526 (1,2,3,4) - 改d d d k或d d k k 嗯
00:49:919 - 加k (若加下去這部分密度會大許多，還請好好想想) 先加一下
00:53:178 - 加d (最高難度收尾3連會比2顆好些，個人建議) 嗯

感謝mod！！

davidminh0111 wrote:

Hello jacky, from my queue:
[Timing]
Delete this timing point:
00:32:526
Ok!
[Kantan]
00:03:776: Change to d since it's a low pitch meody OK

00:10:026: Big D? Low pitch and strong emphasis No. The song doesn't allow big notes imo. It is so quiet.

00:31:276: Pitch is setting down, change to d

00:35:338 (29, 30): Ctrl +G, pitch is rising up here

00:40:338: Change to d

00:45:338 (39, 40): Ctrl + G? Same reason as above Fixed 'em all.

[Futsuu]
00:12:526: How about dkd? Better imo, try to use 50% speed For mirror with 00:02:526 (1,2,3) - But I'll collect more opinions

00:32:526: Big D? Low pitch and strong emphasis

[Muzukashii]
00:20:026: Change to d, low pitch Fixed

00:29:088: Missing a note It is for similarity with 00:18:776 (34,35,36,37,38) -

[Naraku no Soko de Matsu]
00:04:088: How about dkdk? For AABA pattern, so no


GL on ranking, Kantan need fixing a lot.
I hope I help

ARGENTINE DREAM wrote:

Great map from great mapper, it is always a pleasure to mod your maps

Kantan

00:28:151 (22) - delete? Ok

00:34:713 (28,29,30) - very hard to read for a kantan... try this rhythm:
00:34:713 (28) - move to 00:34:713 -
00:35:338 (29) - move to 00:35:026 -
00:35:963 (30) - move to 00:36:276 -

00:39:713 (33,34,35) - same as above

00:44:713 (38,39,40) - same as above That is not that good in terms of representation. But with the notes, players would not be unprepared to hit those notes

00:50:084 (43) - finishing the map with an spinner here would be cool

Futsuu

00:34:401 - without this note the entire section consisting of offbeat notes becomes harder to read actually
00:39:401 - same as above
00:44:401 - same as above Great!


00:50:084 (43) - finishing the map with an spinner here would be cool (same suggestion as in kantan) BUT if not:

00:52:470 (74) - consider deleting that one, would improve the flow at the rallentando. OK

Muzu

00:16:901 (29) - K? k
00:51:586 (50,51,52) - This part feels a bit sloppy... Maybe remove these and convert 00:50:082 (49) - in a spinner? (lasting to 00:52:978 - ) Spinner is noisy here, so I removed the second last note and change the last note into d instead.

奈落の底で待つ

I feel this one is undermapped, I'd suggest you make this diff harder and make a new "Oni" taking this diff (as it is right now) as a reference.
My only concern about this diff is that, being a easyish~undermapped diff you added these two notes 00:48:619 (29,34) - are overmapped (no sound there) it kind of surprised me.

I'm going to tell you spots where there are sounds that you are missing and could do a pretty good "hardest diff"
00:02:838 -
00:03:151 -

00:05:338 -
00:05:651 -

00:12:838 -
00:13:151 -

00:15:338 -
00:15:651 -

00:23:776 -
00:24:088 -

00:26:276 -
00:26:588 -
If you are gonna take my advice and make another diff, include stuff like flams (a.k.a "doublets") and big notes. If not, well, think about including these sounds I listed above.

After I have considered several factors I decided to add those notes, but keep the last two triples

Thanks for your mod!!

JarvisGaming YT wrote:

From queue(PM)
[Kantana]
00:15:026 (11,12,13) - kkd to fit the pitch, and to be consistent Sure.
00:48:776 (41,42,43,44) - lower the hitsound volume on these, the slower the music, the lower the volume see below
[Futsuu]
00:29:401 (40,41,42,43,44) - kd dkd fit the pitch better see below
[Moozukashii]
00:29:401 (11,12,13,14,15) - kd dkd fits the pitch better see below
00:50:082 (49,50,51,52,53) - see Kantan see below
[I don't speak Japanese]
00:29:401 (14,15,16,17,18) - kd dkd fits the pitch better But the pitch is descending :3
00:39:401 (6) - d since its the same pitch eith the last note Its a semitone different but I'll take that anyway
00:50:807 (36,37,38,39,40,41,42,43) - maybe slow down SV and lower hitsound volume I don't want this diff specifically slows down SV while the other diffs don't for the sake of being easy. But I'll consider about the volume thing.
Edit: Maybe you can add some triples at some parts to make it harder I think now its enough :3

That's all
Gl :3

Poii wrote:

Remove all tags pls
Gimme 69 kudos thanks

Surono wrote:

music box would be dominated taiko smh

Poii wrote:

Remove all tags pls
Gimme 69 kudos thanks

Raphalge wrote:

kinda hard to mod a music box song that already has 3 pages of mods xddd

[General]
is "Deep in Abyss" needed in the tags if it's already in the title of the song? I don't know if it matters or not but it seems redundant.
Completely changed.
Kantan and Oni end on a k but the Futsuu and Oni end on a d and this bothers me A LOT
Yes that was me being dumb. Fixed to all with ks.

[Naraku no Soku de Footshoe]
00:40:963 (10) - change this to d? Would mirror 00:35:338 (25,26,27) - nicely and provide some more contrast between it and 00:40:651 (9) - Didn't want to mirror this section plus 00:44:401 (18,19) - is either dk or kk and I'm sticking with that for now. Still will wait for modders pointing that out if this is bad.

[Muzukashii]
00:20:026 (36) - change to k for consistency with the Oni and Futsuu? Sure definitely.
00:40:963 (32) - same as Oni

[Foo Tsu]
No comment, perfect imo!

[Kantan]
00:22:526 - I think ddk dkd d would work better than your current off-beat patterns like so. Having such a tiny off-beat section feels out of place and triples would here would prepare the player for the red tick triples later on! ddd dkd d instead.
Thanks for pointing that out.

that's all :V

Raphalge wrote:

kinda hard to mod a music box song that already has 3 pages of mods xddd
that's all :V

Faputa wrote:

Ye gotta find BNs to mod it.
Can M4M with that Ronard set?

Surono wrote:

thats it :'v
oh rank ez pz.inc

Surono wrote:

Ja🅱an WeBoss

18:39 Surono: weh
18:39 Surono: why so pros
18:39 Surono: dete
18:39 Surono: q
18:39 Faputa: meh
18:40 Faputa: what do you mean
18:40 Surono: >:CCCc
18:40 Surono: why so pro, dt. hue
18:40 Surono: f8 me u girl
18:40 Faputa: :3
18:40 Surono: q
18:41 Faputa: no I suck
18:42 Surono: you suck
18:42 Surono: :IIIIIIIIIIIIIIUUUUUuuuuuuu
18:42 *Surono is listening to [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1396432 R3 Music Box - Deep in Abyss]
18:42 Surono: lets irc ma gir
18:42 Faputa: ye
18:42 Surono: ur waifu
18:42 Surono: i c
18:43 Faputa: .-.
18:44 Surono: >:C
18:44 Faputa: wha xD
18:45 Surono: 00:16:901 - this kat on muzush? dem variation >:V
18:45 Surono: rip oni still ddkd, nvm. or .. hel yeh why this map similar mapped like poii!??! are u infected his style
18:45 Surono: nocie
18:46 Surono: 00:33:151 (20,21) - weak sounds why kat residentearsbatman oni
18:46 Faputa: SHEHEHEASGFXFDH oni messed up
18:46 Faputa: change oni
18:46 Surono: wat!??!?!?!?!
18:46 Surono: L::::::VVVVVVv gg
18:46 Faputa: change to kdkd
18:46 Faputa: ye
18:46 Surono: yeh noice
18:48 Surono: 00:51:586 - from here all diffs, dem really rip sounds.. decide it to delete them orrrrr low the volume to 25% and make them all as dons
18:49 Faputa: YE lower volume that's good
18:49 Surono: :U
18:49 Surono: babymap :UUUUUUUU
18:50 Faputa: babys have tacos as well :V
18:52 Surono: 00:10:963 - 00:21:276 - add notes these on kantan, u dem really empty
18:52 Surono: add or not bub >:V *nazi intensifies
18:53 Faputa: KK
18:53 Surono: nice od
18:54 Surono: hp
18:54 Surono: update
18:54 Faputa: updated ye
18:55 Surono: tell me related de diffnam, im not weebs ye
18:55 Faputa: da diff name "I'll wait at the bottom of the abyss" ye
18:55 Surono: noice
18:56 Surono: weboss
18:56 Faputa: theme of da web jaban animy
18:56 Surono: LOOOOOOOOL

Poii wrote:

nifty will hate you :v trust me

Vulkin wrote:

i came from the modding queue even though my request wasnt m4m w
im guessing ill ruin the bubble, if so, forgive me ;_; feel free to ignore this thing if you dont like the suggestions

-Kantan-
00:12:526 (10) - maybe d? so its consistent with 00:02:526 (1) - This song is quite repetitive and really I don't think consistency rides over on this particular diff with has less than 50 notes. And that dd kkd and kd kkd should form a fairly decent variety I think, so I keep it.
00:50:084 - why not put a spinner here? so the BPM change isnt as painful for the kantan players As in other mods earlier, I think spinner is too noisy for this song as the constant dkdkdkdk's really destroys the overall tension of the song at the end, and I should not be abusing sound volume just to deal with it. So I keep it.

-Futsuu-
00:36:588 (51,69) - maybe these k? so they can make a small difference with their next notes, or is it more simple to make it slightly different from muzu?
The latter phase may applies, but I thought as starting from 00:34:713 - there's off beat kdkd pattern and I don't think in terms of the intensity the map has given to players 51 being a kat is better. Same applies on 00:44:713 (66,67,68,69) -

-Muzukashii-
00:15:026 (26,28) - ctrl+g? so its consistent with the dkk at 00:05:026 - Should mostly reason like the suggestion at Kantan so I'll keep it.

-I'll Wait at the Bottom of the Abyss-
00:02:526 (4) - maybe k because higher pitch than previous note? To emphasize 00:02:994 (6) - plus it forms a nicely ddkddk here, so I'll keep it.

Good luck on map! owo

xfraczynho wrote:

Hello jack o/ Hello

General

1. OD and HP spread: OD 3,5 (finishing with 4 is a best way and spread is better) on Muzu and 4 on Oni
2. Metadata suggestions (tags and design): Add 'opening'

sure

[Kantan]

1. Nice for me

[Futsuu]

1. 00:05:026 (4,5) - ctrl+g to mirror first pattern if you want to I went for dkk instead

[Muzukashii]

1. 00:09:713 - add d? done
2. 00:19:713 - ^ [color=#00GG00]done[/color]
3. 00:20:651 (37,38) - ctrl+g cause pitches? But the local , and general as well, pitch is descending here, d k may not be a good choice for representing the music, so I keep it
4. 00:24:713 (7) - 00:24:244 - + break is better than actual pattern good :3
5. 00:26:744 - ^ ^

[Naraku no Soko de Matsu]

1. 00:05:338 (12,13) - kk to set a difference from 00:02:838 (5,6) - ?
   other suggestion could be 00:05:963 (14) - kat like 00:15:963 (37) - I'll use this
2. 00:06:276 - add note to follow metalophone (k I guess) Also fixing the other place as well
3. 00:33:151 (20) - don cause it doesn't sound same as 00:34:088 (22,23,24) - and uses same pattern sure
4. 00:43:151 (15) - ^ ok
5. 00:50:807 (36) - kat here fills nice it is, used it

Call me back

davidminh0111 wrote:

Congratz on 1st ranked, Fapu. :3
( o v o )