Nwolf wrote:

Popping this for now to get more opinions (aka me asking BNs) on some parts of this map, namely:

Unjustified usage of 1/6 02:28:402 (15,16,17,18) - 02:32:493 (47,48,49,50) - and similar spots. I'm keeping these because they sound and play fine, and they also solve the problems listed two suggestions below vvvv

Also 03:12:720 (199,200,201,202) - 03:19:993 (252,253,254,255) - fixed these, seems better without them

03:53:175 - This stream, together with the previous sections starting 03:40:448 - here. Which are mapped with way more notes than kiai times or other equally/more intense sections of the song. I do not believe this is a problem, since the kiai times have 1/6 patterns along with fairly dense 1/4 patterns to keep pattern intensity fairly high. Especially the last kiai time, which introduces two more elements to the patterns it uses (dense finish notes and 1/6).

Last kiai 1/6. The last kiai time is blatantly different from the first two, so I decided to take a more interesting approach to it. The earlier ones were far less dense in finish notes and 1/6, whereas this one uses them a ton.


And one more thing I just wanna point out as mod at this point:

02:44:084 (24,25,26,27,28,29,30) - Is mapped nearly the same way as 02:29:538 (25,26,27,28,29,30,31) - while the song is clearly not equally intense, having more instruments going in one part than the other while melody is the same. changed

04:25:902 (26,27,28,29,30,31,32) - Same ^ ^


Good luck~

Idealism wrote:

irc part where we were talking about 2 of the first notes in the map bc of pitch lmfao

2017-08-08 16:50 Idealism: .
2017-08-08 16:50 strickluke: ye
2017-08-08 16:51 Idealism: ok right off the bat
2017-08-08 16:51 Idealism: 00:00:902 - on places like these you could have a k
2017-08-08 16:51 Idealism: since it's an oni
2017-08-08 16:51 strickluke: in this map i focus on specific instruments in each section
2017-08-08 16:51 strickluke: for the msot part, at least
2017-08-08 16:51 strickluke: in that first one, its hte synth only
2017-08-08 16:51 Idealism: so in that case
2017-08-08 16:52 Idealism: 00:03:402 (8) - should be a d, no?
2017-08-08 16:52 Idealism: because there isn't any change
2017-08-08 16:52 Idealism: plus you're only following the synth
2017-08-08 16:52 strickluke: i made that a k so that it doesnt get boring af
2017-08-08 16:52 strickluke: plus, im talking about mostly rhythm
2017-08-08 16:52 strickluke: color choice is different
2017-08-08 16:53 Idealism: just adding a k for boredom stuff doesn't really make sense for me :p i generally follow the sound that's going and accordingly put a note
2017-08-08 16:54 strickluke: it also follows that background noise when the pitch increases
2017-08-08 16:54 strickluke: on every other red tick there is some wubby noise, and the pitch increases on the place where i put k
2017-08-08 16:55 Idealism: if im not going deaf there's literally no pitch change
2017-08-08 16:55 Idealism: even on .25x
2017-08-08 16:55 strickluke: there is
2017-08-08 16:55 Idealism: because the start of the song has a pretty repetitive rhythm
2017-08-08 16:55 strickluke: kinda hard to hear in editor at .25x, though :p
2017-08-08 16:55 Idealism: and it mantains the pitch through the whole thing
2017-08-08 16:56 Idealism: also yes, every red line is slight higher considering pitch
2017-08-08 16:56 strickluke: oh, right
2017-08-08 16:56 strickluke: volume, then
2017-08-08 16:56 strickluke: the note i singled out is more intense than the rest
2017-08-08 16:56 Idealism: but really, why would you use a random k for one of them
2017-08-08 16:56 strickluke: it sounds fine
2017-08-08 16:56 strickluke: it makes sense, structurally
2017-08-08 16:57 strickluke: i just thought it was pitch, instead of volume
2017-08-08 16:57 Idealism: so in that case, if you're gonna keep what you have, how about you make 00:00:448 (1) - a k?
2017-08-08 16:58 Idealism: it's literally the same thing as 00:07:720 (17) -
2017-08-08 16:58 strickluke: pitch actually increases there compared to the first note
2017-08-08 16:58 strickluke: so i made 17 a K
2017-08-08 16:58 strickluke: and the first ntoe a D
2017-08-08 16:59 Idealism: i just heard it in .25x and .50x, there's literally no difference between both of them, same instrument, same pitch, same everything
2017-08-08 16:59 Idealism: i don't see why 1 shouldn't be a k
2017-08-08 16:59 strickluke: the finish note in the background
2017-08-08 17:00 Idealism: it's present in both and it has the same intensity and pitch
2017-08-08 17:00 Idealism: the only difference that sound has is that it's different after
2017-08-08 17:00 Idealism: but not the moment it happens
2017-08-08 17:01 strickluke: 00:07:720 (17) - go here and press space
2017-08-08 17:01 strickluke: then press down arrow
2017-08-08 17:01 Idealism: the hit itself has no difference, only the sound that follows
2017-08-08 17:01 strickluke: there is a noticable difference
2017-08-08 17:02 Idealism: since you mapped 17 to the hit, you could also make 1 a k since it's also a hit
2017-08-08 17:02 strickluke: the D has a lower pitched, less intense or harsh noise
2017-08-08 17:02 strickluke: the K has a higher pitch, more intense noise
2017-08-08 17:02 strickluke: plus, the next finish note is a D
2017-08-08 17:02 strickluke: so structurally, it goes D --> K --> D
2017-08-08 17:03 Idealism: i get that, but if you listen closely, the pitch difference happens in 00:00:902 - for the first one and 00:08:175 - for the second one
2017-08-08 17:03 Idealism: that's where all of the variation for that happens
2017-08-08 17:03 Idealism: since the notes in question are before these timestamps they really aren't different
2017-08-08 17:04 strickluke: i dont really want to have to go into audacity or something to find out who is right
2017-08-08 17:04 Idealism: since i dont wanna just be stuck on these two notes i'll move on lmao
2017-08-08 17:04 strickluke: xd
2017-08-08 17:05 strickluke: you can send a bunch of suggestions, but i have to go for now
2017-08-08 17:05 Idealism: ok, i'll leave them in the thread
2017-08-08 17:05 Idealism: cya!
2017-08-08 17:05 strickluke: you can just savelog and post for kds after you are done looking through it
2017-08-08 17:05 Idealism: aight
2017-08-08 17:05 strickluke: thanks : p
2017-08-08 17:06 strickluke: wait im dumb
2017-08-08 17:06 strickluke: ok
2017-08-08 17:06 strickluke: send them xDD
2017-08-08 17:06 strickluke: ill just leave osu running
2017-08-08 17:06 Idealism: lmao ok

the actual mod while you were away

[Miss Yo(u)ni]
00:18:061 (52) - i think this could be deleted here in order to keep consistency with the previous identical pattern, or changed to k because it not only sounds and seems to flow better, there's also a very low finish hit there consistency wasn't necessarily the focus on the pattern, and i think it still sounds fine... although i will keep this pattern in mind, or something similar to it, at least

02:10:902 (532,533) - ctrl+g'ing this and moving the finish to the d agrees better with what you're following here (high piano sound for k, intense finish for d)
hmm, i like how this section is for now

02:12:493 (534,535) - move these two to 02:12:834 - and 02:12:948? or adding 2 ds to the latter 2 timestamps? honestly im leaning more towards the latter
because what you seem to be following here isn't 3 sounds but actually 5 seems fine to me

02:38:175 (80,81,82) - k d k plays better here, since the pitch is at its lowest on 02:38:402 (81) - and highest on the other two notes that breaks consistency in a weird way imo

04:19:993 (188,189,190) - ^ ^

05:19:993 (83) - k for the same reasons above a lot of things have changed in this last kiai time to emphasise on the changes between the other two kiai times, and this color choice is justified because it follows the rhythm of the bass/wub and the pitch changes of the piano

05:34:538 (170) - ^

Raiden wrote:

The current dense 1/6 patterning

This has been a change long coming. Removed a lot of the 1/6 patterns in the last kiai times and completely removed that one stream that alternated 1/4 and 1/6 and boosted the sr by like 0.5*.

Raiden wrote:

the long 1/4 stream at the spot he mentioned completely decimates the song.

Deleted a few notes here and there in the 1/4 stream to make the rhythm less dense and more interesting.

Raiden wrote:

Improvisation is fine in taiko when done in a moderate way.

The only remaining improvisations are now less frequent and "moderate".

Jonawaga wrote:

helo, here's an M4M return, just accept what seems good
sorry in advance if this mod contains more questions than answers

ok

1. You can name the difficulty whatever you want because it's a marathon. Changed to "Solitude"
   
2. I think the HP should be more like 6 There will be unnecessary backlash due to this, keeping it as 4
   
3. 00:32:379 (137) - this time it's a connected 1/2 but everywhere else until now it's broken? There is another example of this in the same section, at 00:35:448 (157,158,159,160,161,162,163) -
   
4. 00:37:266 - now all of them are connected ok... why is this happening? did something in the music change? Another instrument is added, so the patterns change to compensate for this
   
5. 01:19:993 (351,352,353) - consider kdd to variate from the previous pattern Denied, as it would deviate from the mapping direction of this section (pitch oriented)
   
6. 02:29:311 (23,24,25,26) - I recommend splitting this stream somewhere around here to emphasize 02:29:538 - this, same where this pattern repeats, for example like what you did 02:35:334 (67,68,69,70) - here is so cool owo eh, i think it's fine as is
   
7. 02:43:970 (23,24,25) - ^, 02:50:107 (63) - remove for that ^ reasoning accepted all but that last one, since it misses a pretty important sound

I realized the main concern is the 1/6, I'm not the best person to ask about that...
so this was probably little help ;w;

best of luck

Surono wrote:

I will ask for a reripple from strickluke, unless you have anything else to say.

Saturnalize wrote:

diff name too gay, please contemplate about your mapping curryr

also shouldn't "miss you" deleted from tags since it's in the title already?