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I need a rational post from zekks.

Hika wrote:

abraker ur doing the same thing i dont think is a town move and im not going to vote you because it's dumb
Now that rEdo did bring it to my attention, what do you mean by "the same thing"?



Alright, Hika has a post quantity that is slightly easy to go through:


First a RVS vote

Hika wrote:

Vote: redo

Hika wrote:

rEdo wrote:

Why are you so mean already :(
cuz fuck u

RVS provoking

Hika wrote:

ur game sucked because everyone targeted me!!
That spreadsheet made me mad. I should vote u.

Not sure what to which post that lol is a reaction to, but I think it's due to Zexion's vote for Hika and John's reaction

Hika wrote:

L0L

Null

Hika wrote:

I read this when I get on my laptop! Eating dinner rn

The response to zekks's "As long as I'm still alive, no mafia can't stop me" comment

Hika wrote:

maybe cuz u r scum smh ^

Unvote

Why would you be worried about so little votes?

Hika wrote:

why the fuck are there three votes on me that's crazy as fuck

Understandable

Hika wrote:

also zekks, stop that its annoying u scum

Just twice? What? Why even worry? Scummy vibe here

Hika wrote:

Oh alright I was just wondering cause I only remember getting voted twice

Null

Hika wrote:

Oh also I forgot to hit submit but if someone asks for reads or opinions, it's probably better to reveal them in a timely matter and in complete honesty because it definitely can shape a better opinion of you for someone else. In this case, if you're scum/town. @john

Leaning null, but kinda curious why the need to mention

Hika wrote:

p.s. RVS is over imo

Why vote count? Are you afraid your partner zekks has too many votes?

Hika wrote:

need vote count b4 I vote Zekks

Ok, so zekks fiasco came to an end and now you are justifying not voting for your partner. Essientially this is what's going on: I'll vote zekks after I make sure the votecount allows me because he is my partner. Ok let's not vote for him since I was starting to get nervous my partner is going to be RIP

Hika wrote:

I'm willing to stand my ground on voting an anti town but anti town > scum so we need to get off zekks a bit.

Null, but what convenient justification to remain as barely active so it's hard to read you

Hika wrote:

o yea btw been busy. School starting and work so I usually will have more time to leave content around 19:00 EST
But ya know, you still need to make it seem that you have little to know connection to zekks and want to bring that scum to justice

Hika wrote:

I agree with you linc.

There's no point in letting Zekks go off easy so pressure him harder to see what he's all about.
@Zekks: what da fuck u think you doing playing the way you're playing

This came out of the blue to me, but why would it matter to Hika that I think rvs is over? I am still trying to wrap around what advantage that info would give to any side

Hika wrote:

@abraker: why do u think rvs is over? I agree with ya but I'd like to see what you're saying

Null

Hika wrote:

Calm down Jesus fuck I thought when you said fuck RVS you were stating it in a way you thought it was over
is okay just calm your nerves

This refers to zekks acting anti town. Ehh I'll go null on this one

Hika wrote:

Also Zex, when i said anti town > scum, I meant it as a way like "sure he's anti town to me right now but I'd rather not vote for his lynch when we could be scum hunting"

hope that clears it up.

Now this one is especially interesting, because if Hika had a PR, there would be a MUCH less likely chance of this mention. This brings odds of Hika being scum to 2/7

Hika wrote:

oh shit I'm so slow I forgot we have possible PRs
Slow your role bros, zekks could be a PR and doing it wrong

This is a response to my apology for being aggressive. I am not sure where the second line comes in. Why the need to mention that we still have a while and that we should be doing actual analysis? Because the scum partner zekks screwed up and Hika is like "haha, he's dummy, don't mind him, but let's find actual scum" "Haha" as in nervous laughter in this case.

Hika wrote:

ok im sensitive pls be kind

yea we have a while till we have to decide on a lynch so lets drag it out and start analyzing for real


If zekks says PR, then D2 will be his last whether scum or townie. Zekks can't say mafia because that will be dumb af. If zekks says townie,
then it can be to Hika's plan to get him out of the clear. Either way, this will either end bad for zekks or for town. Likely both. This action makes Hika lean towards the scum side.

Hika wrote:

Dulcet wrote:

yeah, we do have PRs, but what makes you think Zekks is one and not just vanilla? Just chance?

I think Zekks did a general threat to everyone voting him so i say he should tell us his role before we PL him. Seriously

I'm not playing with an anti-town.

There are two things that bother me here. This is very pro town, but second, any discussion about strategy is viewed by both parties. It becomes a guessing game how it would be executed, which is no different than guessing who is town and scum. I fail to see how anything mentioned regarding to this would put town at a disadvantage nor put scum at an advantage

Hika wrote:

Also, self voting strategy shouldn't be mentioned here. Maybe google it cause we're currently in game and dont want mafia doing anything with that information.

Understandable response, null.

Hika wrote:

Dawnsday wrote:

Hika - Actually one of my strongest "gut" feelings I've had in a mafia game thus far. Everything Hika posts rubs me the wrong way, I'm going to link specific posts eventually (pressed for time here atm) but a lot of what she posts just FEELS SO "LAMIST" to me, I'm willing to accept I'm probably wrong on this one and I'm just being paranoid but it's a read and I have it so that's that. Keeping in null because there's nothing I have beyond my gut.
i'll wait for you to explain this
i think i can confirm that anyone who plays mafia with me always feels as if my posts rub them wrong

so link me my posts and i can explain them to you


Eh, not sure. null

Hika wrote:

also i just think it looks bad on lincolm to vote me after he sees a vote already on me, referring to an earlier page


nulll

Hika wrote:

also ill drop my reads tomorrow. im off work and im going out drinking tonight! will stop by for some small chat however.

No shit sherlock. I can see how self votes lean toward scum, but for the same reason I fail to see how the lean towards scum. I saw it as safe move because it would indeed lead toward scum and that everyone knows it's a scum move.

Hika wrote:

Eh, I'll just say it's a diversion thing. ^

There is a contradiction here. You see how you would implement it yet you claim it's anti-town enough to lynch D1 and I don't know how logical this reasoning is if you are town. I don't get how, as a townie, you can claim knowledge of self-voting tactics but at the same time vote a self-voter "to save town the trouble of being confused later on down the road". That's your scum side speaking even if you are town.

Hika wrote:

Dawnsday wrote:

Strikes me as a LAMIST post mainly due to the "dont want mafia doing anything with that information". Just feels like such a weird addition to the sentence in general, ending at "we're currently in game" would've been acceptable but the last bit seems to be tacked on solely to remind us you're not mafia.

Also upon actually rereading you don't have as many posts I find questionable as I seem to have remembered. You're probably still pretty null for me honestly. Sorry for forcing you to do stuff on your drinking night, I'm just giving my honest views!

also @mod can we have a votecount
You're not forcing me to do anything don't worry! I'm back from drinking so I'll post a bit.

I can definitely see where it could rub you incorrectly, but I meant it in a way where I wouldn't want to give the wrong people information that would work against town. I have many ways where I, myself as a player, would implement self-voting but would rather not go in depth with it this game.

Lets just say in my opinion, I see it as a shitty town confirming tactic as well as a ballsy scum move. As I said before, I'd rather have an anti town than a scum deceiving me but if that anti town is being extremely counteractive in our scum hunting, I'd be willing to get rid of them D1 to save town the trouble of being confused later on down the road.

I don't what to make of this, but thinking that more players are scum than town when 2/9 are scum is indicative of something

Hika wrote:

After bboy VC then I'll be able to narrow down my reads a bit further. I have more people in the red rather than green, sad to say

Null? I feel like this can give more info when put together with the "yea we have a while till we have to decide on a lynch so lets drag it out and start analyzing for real" statement earlier on, but I can't tell anything from this. The fact it's referring to different player doesn't help either

Hika wrote:

also no more shitty reaction tests i'm not gonna let this over analyzing colors of your role PMs pass anymore lol

Again with total votes. WHY? Vote count SHOULD NOT affect your reads. If it does, then you are being careful to word your reads to target someone or shift attention from someone.

Hika wrote:

Tell me what you'd like me to explain.
And I won't reveal that until i see total votes.

I'm saying john is coming up p much town for me.

What a nice agenda you have there! Planning ahead, I see

Hika wrote:

I said that because I want to vote Lincolm out.

Null

Hika wrote:

I didn't quote you on that lincolm because people can see I'm referring to you and plus I'm on the phone.

Null

Hika wrote:

I don't think he did that out of the blue, rather he did that to pull him into the game because he was kind of just.. there?

But I'm not disagreeing with you completely, I can see where you're coming from. I think at this point, Lincolm is running out of people to pin down so he's going to hop from one person to the next and see if he can do reaction tests? imo

Pointless to say you are town because you would receive hellfire otherwise. Though you are a bit correct about me not understanding the impact of self-voting. Fifth game in, and I only saw it being used once by a townie, and dumb townie tho. While it puts me at odds, I did mention in an earlier comment that I was def expecting it to show signs of scum, so I figured it was a safe thing to do since it's why would scum would point self like that. I don't know the impact still :\

Hika wrote:

rEdo wrote:

Was that a warning from your scumpartner?
LMAO, you think I'm scumbuddies with abraker? I'm town bro.
If anything, I'd probably be voting him or Lincolm.

abraker because he doesn't seem like he understands the impact of him self-voting. I think redo explains it the way I would like to explain it myself. I can tolerate a NL vote > self vote.

If you are scum, it would be a good tactic to put down your partner as red to not raise suspicion. It is even safer to do so now since most of the hellfire is currently on me and linc., and linc. may not be your partner

Hika wrote:

my leaning town reads are john n dawn
red leaning would be linc, zekks
red being abraker

everyone is like really null too me.
my FoS is on Foxtrot cuz she was over analyzing but I could be over looking that

What even? What is this? Why assure someone that you are not voting until something not directly related to the subject?

Hika wrote:

we have like two more days in the game left, i'm not voting you cuz i dont see anyone else posting today? @Lincolm

If two scum come along and hammer me now, that would be suspicious af, and one of them would be lynched D2 and the next likely on D3. If one scum comes along to hammer me, then it would make for an interesting D2, and would have a chance of not being lynched. Scum may or may not already be voting me, and if they are not, then they are not sure whether my bandwagon would hold

Hika wrote:

I dont want scum to come along and 'accidentally' hammer abraker also. Would be dumb for anyone else to vote him without a complete town decision. hope you see where im coming from

Null

Hika wrote:

@linc, dont take it personal, just go to bed lol


For those who just want the highlights:

Now this one is especially interesting, because if Hika had a PR, there would be a MUCH less likely chance of this mention. This brings odds of Hika being scum to 2/7

Hika wrote:

oh shit I'm so slow I forgot we have possible PRs
Slow your role bros, zekks could be a PR and doing it wrong

If zekks says PR, then D2 will be his last whether scum or townie. Zekks can't say mafia because that will be dumb af. If zekks says townie,
then it can be to Hika's plan to get him out of the clear. Either way, this will either end bad for zekks or for town. Likely both. This action makes Hika lean towards the scum side.

Hika wrote:

Dulcet wrote:

yeah, we do have PRs, but what makes you think Zekks is one and not just vanilla? Just chance?
I think Zekks did a general threat to everyone voting him so i say he should tell us his role before we PL him. Seriously

I'm not playing with an anti-town.

There are two things that bother me here. This is very pro town, but second, any discussion about strategy is viewed by both parties. It becomes a guessing game how it would be executed, which is no different than guessing who is town and scum. I fail to see how anything mentioned regarding to this would put town at a disadvantage nor put scum at an advantage

Hika wrote:

Also, self voting strategy shouldn't be mentioned here. Maybe google it cause we're currently in game and dont want mafia doing anything with that information.

There is a contradiction here. You see how you would implement it yet you claim it's anti-town enough to lynch D1 and I don't know how logical this reasoning is if you are town. I don't get how, as a townie, you can claim knowledge of self-voting tactics but at the same time vote a self-voter "to save town the trouble of being confused later on down the road". That's your scum side speaking even if you are town.

Hika wrote:

Dawnsday wrote:

Strikes me as a LAMIST post mainly due to the "dont want mafia doing anything with that information". Just feels like such a weird addition to the sentence in general, ending at "we're currently in game" would've been acceptable but the last bit seems to be tacked on solely to remind us you're not mafia.

Also upon actually rereading you don't have as many posts I find questionable as I seem to have remembered. You're probably still pretty null for me honestly. Sorry for forcing you to do stuff on your drinking night, I'm just giving my honest views!

also @mod can we have a votecount
You're not forcing me to do anything don't worry! I'm back from drinking so I'll post a bit.

I can definitely see where it could rub you incorrectly, but I meant it in a way where I wouldn't want to give the wrong people information that would work against town. I have many ways where I, myself as a player, would implement self-voting but would rather not go in depth with it this game.

Lets just say in my opinion, I see it as a shitty town confirming tactic as well as a ballsy scum move. As I said before, I'd rather have an anti town than a scum deceiving me but if that anti town is being extremely counteractive in our scum hunting, I'd be willing to get rid of them D1 to save town the trouble of being confused later on down the road.

I don't what to make of this, but thinking that more players are scum than town when 2/9 are scum is indicative of something

Hika wrote:

After bboy VC then I'll be able to narrow down my reads a bit further. I have more people in the red rather than green, sad to say

Again with total votes. WHY? Vote count SHOULD NOT affect your reads. If it does, then you are being careful to word your reads to target someone or shift attention from someone.

Hika wrote:

Tell me what you'd like me to explain.
And I won't reveal that until i see total votes.

I'm saying john is coming up p much town for me.

If you are scum, it would be a good tactic to put down your partner as red to not raise suspicion. It is even safer to do so now since most of the hellfire is currently on me and linc., and linc. may not be your partner

Hika wrote:

my leaning town reads are john n dawn
red leaning would be linc, zekks
red being abraker

everyone is like really null too me.
my FoS is on Foxtrot cuz she was over analyzing but I could be over looking that


@Hika:
I do expect you to answer many of the question I asked in the spoiler box


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Foxtrot
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Foxtrot

Hika wrote:

my FoS is on Foxtrot cuz she was over analyzing but I could be over looking that
I don't think I'm over-analyzing and your reads provided us with nothing. Why do you think Lincolm is red? Or why do you think John is town? Do you have concrete reasons behind your read? I know I haven't done one yet, but when I'll do, I'll try not to be lazy about it. And why do you think I'm over analyzing? Is it because I was onto Zekks, someone you've been trying to get our attention off from them? Your posts are also rubbing me off, and it seems like I'm not the only person who feels that way.

Hika wrote:

After bboy VC then I'll be able to narrow down my reads a bit further. I have more people in the red rather than green, sad to say
Other people have been able to do reads without keeping track of VC and you're the only one doing this. Why should VC be important in your read? If someone has more votes or less votes, why would it matter towards your read? It just seems like you're waiting to see which person has most votes so you can deliver your coup de grâce

Foxtrot wrote:

Hika wrote:

Lets just say in my opinion, I see it as a shitty town confirming tactic as well as a ballsy scum move. As I said before, I'd rather have an anti town than a scum deceiving me but if that anti town is being extremely counteractive in our scum hunting, I'd be willing to get rid of them D1 to save town the trouble of being confused later on down the road.
I understand that it's your night out so I won't pressure you but next time please write your thoughts in a more detailed way, and provide more information as to why you think that way. This is still rather vague to me.
And you asked me what I'd like you to explain, but you don't need to explain anything. It's just that you lack reasoning behind your claims like you've been doing in your read and past posts. You write really small sentences that can be rather vague or really obvious, which makes you hard to read.

Why would you rather have anti-scum deceiving you? And if you know for sure someone is being anti-town, why vote for them when we could vote for scum instead? Do you want to get rid of anti-town right away because it's probably the most convenient vote?
Zexion
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Zexion

johnmedina999 wrote:

Zexion wrote:

@John, @Dawnsday: why is Foxtrot so town? Going through her ISO shows little content in her lasts posts, last thing was the accusation to Zekks which I kinda understand but I don't see how she "analyses players very well". I do agree with she moving the game forward.
By good analyses I was thinking of back in the beginning of the game, but you're right about recent posts not having much content. As for why I think she's town...her posts don't seem scummy, maybe she's pushing the Zekks train too hard after most decided to leave it for now (most of her longer, more recent posts have something to do with Zekks), but again, she doesn't really seem like she's mafia.
I'm curious about this. If foxtrot is town for her analytical posts, then Lincolm should also fall into that category (specially for this post, but you are (or were?) reading him as scum. Your reads aren't consistent.

johnmedina999 wrote:

It may just be my lack of experience, but I think Lincolm and abraker have been 1v1-ing for far too long, it's starting to look like bussing to me. Ever since this post, where Lincolm invokes abraker out of the blue, and the two start arguing. This wasn't suspicious back then, but certainly looks suspicious now; Lincolm might say that he was one of the only people active at the time and that it was random, but there was redo and Zekks to ask as well; why would he specifically choose abraker to invoke?

It doesn't help that almost all of both abraker's and Lincolm's posts have been fighting with each other, either. Either they're bussing each other, or one of them is town taking advantage of the situation.
I don't really think both of them are scum, their dicussion seems to be a natural progression of the accusations, I mean, -it could be-, but I don't really see something indicative of bussing.
Hika
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Hika
Okay one sec, I have to break everyone's posts down.
beeboy123
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beeboy123
Ace Timing replaces Dawnsday
Hika
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Hika
abraker
I'll quote where relevant and ask questions if I need to. Formatting is very hard for me right now so bear with me.

@EVERYONE ELSE: Pink text is abraker's questions and comments, my response is underneath all the quotes in plain black text.

Why would you be worried about so little votes?

Hika wrote:

why the fuck are there three votes on me that's crazy as fuck
I said my quote above in a non-worried way. Hopefully you've learned my typing style? I was also bothered by it because I hadn't had time to say much due to irl stuff. This wasn't a 'scumslip' imo. Not saying I'm scum either.

Just twice? What? Why even worry? Scummy vibe here

Hika wrote:

Oh alright I was just wondering cause I only remember getting voted twice
Refer to my response above. ^

Leaning null, but kinda curious why the need to mention

Hika wrote:

p.s. RVS is over imo
I said this to do a reaction test. No one really said anything, that's why I tried to talk to you about it to see if you had agreed with me on it but it was a misunderstanding. I personally thought that RVS over. that's kinda why I said I M O. And I see you are bothered that I asked you about it. I was trying to generate conversation but as I stated before, it was just a misunderstanding. Had you responded and agreed with me, I would have automatically placed you in my town reads, due to the fact we have a good amount of information pushing forward thus far.

Why vote count? Are you afraid your partner zekks has too many votes?

Hika wrote:

need vote count b4 I vote Zekks
Just recently I said I didn't want scum to do an 'accidental' hammer, which is why I'm willing to hold my vote off.

If I skipped any of your questions, feel free to quote them and tell me them. I felt as if I needed to answer all those that I see now. It's hard to see cause this post is long when I open it, lol.

Also, I asked for vote count because I see you're on L-2 and didn't have time to read up the thread to confirm that. As I said, I've been on my phone recently. My reads obviously influence town and I didn't want anyone to be like "okay so then vote abraker! *vote*" and have someone sneaky accidentally hammer. I don't think anyone is understanding this. And I dont want to be the only fucking one concerned about that but it's odd that no one else is caring about that.

To also clear some stuff up, I don't think anyone responded when Zexion asked if everyone knew how the matrix 6 setup was like. So if you don't understand why I'm so concerned with PR's, you're probably not taking the game seriously either. I don't want anyone to think Zekks is straight scum because of his threat that I have quoted here:

[ - Zekks - ] wrote:

As long as I'm still alive, no mafia can't stop me ;)
This puts me off so fucking bad you guys don't know. I'm not saying I'm not willing to vote him but it just doesn't feel right. I might be overthinking that, who knows.
Hika
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Hika
Real quick before I answer Foxtrot's post, it is possible to have more than 2 scum reads. I think it's fucked up abraker thinks I cant have that lol.
Like I said, I currently have two leaning scum and one possible scum. Just talk to me and we can change that read, that's literally it

But it looks like Zekks is inactive rn
Hika
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Hika

Foxtrot wrote:

I don't think I'm over-analyzing and your reads provided us with nothing. Why do you think Lincolm is red? Or why do you think John is town? Do you have concrete reasons behind your read? I know I haven't done one yet, but when I'll do, I'll try not to be lazy about it. And why do you think I'm over analyzing? Is it because I was onto Zekks, someone you've been trying to get our attention off from them? Your posts are also rubbing me off, and it seems like I'm not the only person who feels that way.
That's why I was feeling suspicious. I just didn't see a reads list, that's all. You can read what I have posted for abraker and see if that works for you because I don't think you noticed what I've written the past bit.

Foxtrot wrote:

Other people have been able to do reads without keeping track of VC and you're the only one doing this. Why should VC be important in your read? If someone has more votes or less votes, why would it matter towards your read? It just seems like you're waiting to see which person has most votes so you can deliver your coup de grâce
Invalid. I already have a strong disliking about how many votes are on abraker and have stated it like once or twice already. I'M the one holding my vote if you haven't noticed. My vote is all I have and I don't think you read my posts it seems. My reads still stand regardless of any vote changing from this point on unless someone else changes my mind.

Foxtrot wrote:

Why would you rather have anti-scum deceiving you? And if you know for sure someone is being anti-town, why vote for them when we could vote for scum instead? Do you want to get rid of anti-town right away because it's probably the most convenient vote?
I think it's an obvious reason why I'd rather have anti-town deceiving me? I'm hoping you meant anti-town*. As I said, if I don't have any concrete leads for myself to believe a person is joining us, as a town, on scum hunting, they deserved to be voted out. I've always played my games like this. And you can see in previous games that we've HAD to do a PL cause someone's actions are so toxic, that the town feels like that other townie just needs to go.

I say anti town because I'm speaking from a transparent point of view. Meaning, we all think we're town... 2/9 of us aren't. I don't know which one of you guys aren't but all I know is that I'm going to vote for who doesn't go for town's win this game. That's all.
Ace Timing
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Ace Timing
I HAVEN'T READ ANYTHING BUT I'M JESUS SO
Hika
Hika
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Hika
Now, I personally want more content from zekks, redo, and zexion.

I'm off work tomorrow so I'll be sticking around more.
Ace Timing
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Ace Timing
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Vote: Hika
Hika
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Hika
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johnmedina999
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johnmedina999

Lincolm wrote:

I don't know what to say, how is it "too long"? I even said I choose abraker because PoE for initial reason. Do you even know what is PoE?
Yes, I know what PoE is. However, you only just started PoE here. Your PoE strategy does not include all the rest of your posts against abraker when the 1v1 could have ended long ago. Again, don't hold me against my claim, because this might be perfectly normal in a game and it just may be my lack of experience.

Zexion wrote:

johnmedina999 wrote:

By good analyses I was thinking of back in the beginning of the game, but you're right about recent posts not having much content. As for why I think she's town...her posts don't seem scummy, maybe she's pushing the Zekks train too hard after most decided to leave it for now (most of her longer, more recent posts have something to do with Zekks), but again, she doesn't really seem like she's mafia.
I'm curious about this. If foxtrot is town for her analytical posts, then Lincolm should also fall into that category (specially for this post) but you are (or were?) reading him as scum. Your reads aren't consistent.
Well, it is true that both are very analytic, but Lincolm is still on my scum radar for the 1v1 claim I posted earlier; even so, his last post and his overall confidence are making me change my mind ever so slightly, although the latter might just be good acting, and the former might be me being a n00b. I'll have to wait and see.

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Hika wrote:

Invalid. I already have a strong disliking about how many votes are on abraker and have stated it like once or twice already. I'M the one holding my vote if you haven't noticed. My vote is all I have and I don't think you read my posts it seems. My reads still stand regardless of any vote changing from this point on unless someone else changes my mind.
The question was "why did you need a vote count to post your reads", not "why are you not voting". You seem to be answering a strawman.
Hika
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Hika

Hika wrote:

I dont want scum to come along and 'accidentally' hammer abraker also. Would be dumb for anyone else to vote him without a complete town decision. hope you see where im coming from
Hika
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johnmedina999 wrote:

Zexion wrote:

I'm curious about this. If foxtrot is town for her analytical posts, then Lincolm should also fall into that category (specially for this post) but you are (or were?) reading him as scum. Your reads aren't consistent.
Well, it is true that both are very analytic, but Lincolm is still on my scum radar for the 1v1 claim I posted earlier; even so, his last post and his overall confidence are making me change my mind ever so slightly, although the latter might just be good acting, and the former might be me being a n00b. I'll have to wait and see.
But you didn't say that on your original read list, that only makes me wonder if you just arbitraly decided Lincolm was scum.

Hika wrote:

I dont want scum to come along and 'accidentally' hammer abraker also. Would be dumb for anyone else to vote him without a complete town decision. hope you see where im coming from
I often don't consider this as a valid reason for holding a vote. L-1 is where magic happens, but yeah, its debatable whether or not put someone at L-1 on a newbie game because of people not often realizing how dangerous quickhammers are. However, considering the deadline, I think it's not THAT risky to put someone at L-1.
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Thanks for letting me know your opinion on that @Zex.
I might just be very cautious about it is all. I just had an issue a few years back playing an I accidentally hammered without noticing VC. I'm just very curious when it comes to that and I can even link that game if I need to.
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ok i just started reading and stuff

Foxtrot wrote:

Lincolm wrote:

That's logical answer. And no, I just ask if you get red or green colour, hoping you to answer red somehow.

Well-written flavour, though.
why would he answer red? are you trying to distract us from actual scum and shift the attention to the new players?

Hey Zekks, what do you think about John?
this further proves my suspicion; stop trying to initiate a bandwagon, it's not working

Vote: Lincolm
this is horrible lmao
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Foxtrot wrote:

you're acting very scummy, zekks. if you're town, i advise you to stop it. you're most likely not.
I'm starting to think this is playstyle cause you sound so forced and unnatural
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[ - Zekks - ] wrote:

As long as I'm still alive, no mafia can't stop me ;)
I know I am going a full 180 on this, but something just clicked in me. Zekks role claim doesn't look like a bad option, but as Hika said, he might be doing it wrong. All I can do is cross my fingers and hope it is what I think it is.

Hika wrote:

Real quick before I answer Foxtrot's post, it is possible to have more than 2 scum reads. I think it's fucked up abraker thinks I cant have that lol.
Like I said, I currently have two leaning scum and one possible scum.
That is better. A 3/9 turn out is not bad, however the quote I responded to had you with a 5/9+ turn out according to what you said here, "I have more people in the red rather than green, sad to say". Ofc, I didn't consider null now that I think of it.


@Hika comment on the following responses that were not spoilered. I reposted them here:

le repost
Now this one is especially interesting, because if Hika had a PR, there would be a MUCH less likely chance of this mention. This brings odds of Hika being scum to 2/7

Hika wrote:

oh shit I'm so slow I forgot we have possible PRs
Slow your role bros, zekks could be a PR and doing it wrong

There are two things that bother me here. This is very pro town, but second, any discussion about strategy is viewed by both parties. It becomes a guessing game how it would be executed, which is no different than guessing who is town and scum. I fail to see how anything mentioned regarding to this would put town at a disadvantage nor put scum at an advantage

Hika wrote:

Also, self voting strategy shouldn't be mentioned here. Maybe google it cause we're currently in game and dont want mafia doing anything with that information.

There is a contradiction here. You see how you would implement it yet you claim it's anti-town enough to lynch D1 and I don't know how logical this reasoning is if you are town. I don't get how, as a townie, you can claim knowledge of self-voting tactics but at the same time vote a self-voter "to save town the trouble of being confused later on down the road". That's your scum side speaking even if you are town.

Hika wrote:

Dawnsday wrote:

Strikes me as a LAMIST post mainly due to the "dont want mafia doing anything with that information". Just feels like such a weird addition to the sentence in general, ending at "we're currently in game" would've been acceptable but the last bit seems to be tacked on solely to remind us you're not mafia.

Also upon actually rereading you don't have as many posts I find questionable as I seem to have remembered. You're probably still pretty null for me honestly. Sorry for forcing you to do stuff on your drinking night, I'm just giving my honest views!

also @mod can we have a votecount
You're not forcing me to do anything don't worry! I'm back from drinking so I'll post a bit.

I can definitely see where it could rub you incorrectly, but I meant it in a way where I wouldn't want to give the wrong people information that would work against town. I have many ways where I, myself as a player, would implement self-voting but would rather not go in depth with it this game.

Lets just say in my opinion, I see it as a shitty town confirming tactic as well as a ballsy scum move. As I said before, I'd rather have an anti town than a scum deceiving me but if that anti town is being extremely counteractive in our scum hunting, I'd be willing to get rid of them D1 to save town the trouble of being confused later on down the road.

If you are scum, it would be a good tactic to put down your partner as red to not raise suspicion. It is even safer to do so now since most of the hellfire is currently on me and linc., and linc. may not be your partner

Hika wrote:

my leaning town reads are john n dawn
red leaning would be linc, zekks
red being abraker

everyone is like really null too me.
my FoS is on Foxtrot cuz she was over analyzing but I could be over looking that
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Lincolm wrote:

Vote : abraker because PoE (L-3)
LOL
is this PoE on day one? How the fuck dude?
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Dawnsday wrote:

Lincolm wrote:

, but I hate policy lynch also.
Why? If he's not commited to reading he's going to hurt town in the long run. It's not FUN to policy lynch rest assured I'd rather the idea was never even conceived but honestly.
I read this as dawn actually saying he'd like it better if zekks was never conceived and I was laughing so hard
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Hika wrote:

I have more people in the red rather than green, sad to say
me_irl
y'all are so scummy for no reason
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@Foxtrot. Your posts are turning out too null or leaning townie, but since I know how analytically helpful behavior goes, it can be either town or mafia. Speaking from experience here where I was playing mafia and was nothing but that which convinced a lot of players I was town (see my first game here where I started questioning players more and more with similar tactics as the game went on).

To level this uncertainty off, I ask you to analyze your own posts and come up with a detailed read on yourself.
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Ace Timing wrote:

Hika wrote:

I have more people in the red rather than green, sad to say
me_irl
y'all are so scummy for no reason
THIS IS EXACRLT
WHAT IM SAYINF BRO LOL

also abraker wait for my response later I'm drunk rn lol
Will reply tomorrow
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abraker wrote:

To level this uncertainty off, I ask you to analyze your own posts and come up with a detailed read on yourself.
LOL
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holy shit you guys have me rolling
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abraker wrote:

To level this uncertainty off, I ask you to analyze your own posts and come up with a detailed read on yourself.
And why?

abraker wrote:

Your posts are turning out too null or leaning townie, but since I know how analytically helpful behavior goes, it can be either town or mafia.
So are my posts leaning townie or mafia? You're confusing me
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ok it took me about 20 minutes to read everything, which was, disappointing, to say the least.

I want to say my reads are something like
Town:
Zexion
Hika
abraker

Null:
rEdo
Lincolm

Scum:
Foxtrot
johnmedina999
[ - Zekks - ]

Which is too many scum for the purposes of this game.
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abraker was initially scum, which had me at more scum than town lol
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Foxtrot wrote:

And why?
Your posts are full of valid points and analysis, and it's hard to find a fault in them, at least for me. People are prone to bias when talking about themselves, more so when trying to hide something. It will be an interesting analysis to read because it will highlight either your bias or faults. To put it in layman terms, I have a hard time reading you despite your activity.

Foxtrot wrote:

So are my posts leaning townie or mafia? You're confusing me
I am saying that your posts are leaning townie, but they also are reminiscent of my tactics in the first game I played where I was scum.
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I don't feel like to read the wall posts. I will read them later.

abraker wrote:

I am scum-hunting, but subtly. It's just that no fish took my bait yet, sadly.
Not so important image
I'm pretty sure you need more than one bait for scumhunting.

Hika wrote:

we have like two more days in the game left, i'm not voting you cuz i dont see anyone else posting today? @Lincolm
I fail to see why voting me should be cautious when I'm at L-4.

johnmedina999 wrote:

Yes, I know what PoE is. However, you only just started PoE here. Your PoE strategy does not include all the rest of your posts against abraker when the 1v1 could have ended long ago. Again, don't hold me against my claim, because this might be perfectly normal in a game and it just may be my lack of experience.
I said I'm sticking my vote on him after that post, though. Because I don't see why and how his action is coming from town, at all.

Ace Timing wrote:

I HAVEN'T READ ANYTHING BUT I'M JESUS SO
Hika
Thanks, Lucifer, Hika wasn't L-1.

Why did you do this?

Ace Timing wrote:

LOL
is this PoE on day one? How the fuck dude?
Uh-huh. Because I can.

Ace Timing wrote:

Scum:
Foxtrot
johnmedina999
[ - Zekks - ]
Have you considered what if they are newbie? because I read three of them as newbie.

I don't really get abraker's last 2 posts but I'm gonna put that aside for now. But both posts rub me so wrong, I will try to get their context when I'm not lazy.
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yes they are newbie and scum
ty for adjectives
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So you like your vote in Hika, your townread, instead your scumread? Interesting choice
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@Ace Timing: what makes you think Foxtrot is scum?
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Lincolm wrote:

So you like your vote in Hika, your townread, instead your scumread? Interesting choice
I'm exceedingly lazy
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rEdo wrote:

@Ace Timing: what makes you think Foxtrot is scum?
He's got a tone of awkwardness and stiffness that I don't particularly like. I also find a few of his posts quite egregrious.
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p/6176282/
p/6177786/
p/6178103/
p/6181003/

These posts are some examples of such


It's not the scummiest ISO on earth but it's hard to get a baseline like this lol
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Ace Timing wrote:

p/6177786/
Explain how this one indicates scum. Looks like a legit reaction to me.

Ace Timing wrote:

p/6181003/
This one is less, but Hika showed similar concern here, and you have her as town. More parallels between the two on the subject here and here.


Now that I think of it, I don't see anyone show as much concern for my self vote as much as these two. Others had a weak reaction and/or voted on me. rEdo showed some feedback on it, but it's geared toward PoE and without much concern for voting me despite the possible consequences.
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To be clear, I am not implying that they are showing town behavior, but I am implying connections which can be used to draw conclusions from.
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