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Winnie

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Winnie 2016-10-09T03:17:51+00:00

I'm here after 2 years lets see how things held up. Ayyri sent me here

[Easy]

Easy seems fine

[Normal]

Usually for this 00:16:669 (3) - this note is Ctrl+G for flow purposes but it will do
00:29:012 (1) - Just pointing out that slider like this our of nowhere is kinda sloppy. Things like this could be useful http://puu.sh/rCycI/d92b9da86f.jpg
00:50:955 (1) - I honestly don't think you need that white anchor at the end of the slider. You can keep but you can make both sides of the slider consistent
01:03:297 (4) - Can be NC
01:18:041 (5) - This can be replaced for 2 circles
I think the biggest fault on this normal is that it has slider velocity changes on a normal. I would highly suggest that to be changed. Nothing really stands out to use 1.25 SV on the kiai parts. You can jump the difficulty by doing the rhythms you already have or even adding extra flare to it. I do agree it stays consistent, but the change only makes the sliders faster but relatively everything seems the same.

[Hard]

01:36:898 (2,3) - This rhythm could be Ctrl+G better to continue the pattern with slider first then to end on a slider. That or the slider can be repeated (2)
02:09:469 (3,4) - This can fit by blanketing but that's just me being judgmental

Oko's Part seems fine.

My only concern is the normal. It's really holding this map back. Once the changes have been made or a good reason as to why 1.25 SV is used on a normal then I'll see to push the mapset forward.

Advanced diff can be looked into but really I just want to see what is going to be said for normal diff

CircleChu

190 posts

Joined May 2012

CircleChu 2016-10-09T21:49:31+00:00

ok, i lost chess

Beginner
00:07:069 (1) - a bit offscreen.
I don`t know what else to add, seems ok.
Easy
00:08:441 (3) - ok, this is offscreen too.
00:32:441 (2,3) - fix blanket and offscreen

01:04:669 (1,2) - you may fix this blanket a bit too.
02:11:869 (3) - maybe make this a bit more circular or something?

Normal
01:36:898 (6) - oh, this seems far offscreen.
01:56:098 (6) - same ^
02:10:155 - this pause here looks unnecessary
Hard
I actually think you can map this section, from 00:34:498 - to 00:45:126 - here.
00:55:584 (2) - offcreen again :p
01:01:241 (3) - idk about this, maybe up a bit?
Sry for my poor mod :c
iWinnie told me to mod first 4 diffs, so here you go. Decent mapset, i haven`t found any problem at all, very fun to play, even tho i don`t really like vocaloids and anime XD

Noffy

Visual Architect

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Topic Starter

Noffy 2016-10-10T04:08:27+00:00

iWinnie wrote:
I'm here after 2 years lets see how things held up. Ayyri sent me here my first modder on my first map returns and WOAH this is like a really big moment to be honest for reals like woah you went from seeing it as TERRIBLE to seeing it better like WOAH

[Easy]
Easy seems fine nice

[Normal]
Usually for this 00:16:669 (3) - this note is Ctrl+G for flow purposes but it will do Hmm, will consider what I can do here.
00:29:012 (1) - Just pointing out that slider like this our of nowhere is kinda sloppy. Things like this could be useful http://puu.sh/rCycI/d92b9da86f.jpg I'll also consider what to do here, as I see why, but disagree with the given suggestion.
00:50:955 (1) - I honestly don't think you need that white anchor at the end of the slider. You can keep but you can make both sides of the slider consistent Will very likely change.
01:03:297 (4) - Can be NC I can see why you'd suggest this, but I'd rather not break the combo pattern here, especially when the song doesn't do any dramatic shift at that moment to suggest that.
01:18:041 (5) - This can be replaced for 2 circles No change, as I want the slider here and in easy to follow that rising whhhhhsh finish sound (does that description make sense, aa.)

I think the biggest fault on this normal is that it has slider velocity changes on a normal. I would highly suggest that to be changed. Nothing really stands out to use 1.25 SV on the kiai parts. You can jump the difficulty by doing the rhythms you already have or even adding extra flare to it. I do agree it stays consistent, but the change only makes the sliders faster but relatively everything seems the same.
I can understand why you suggest that, as it is a normal. However, I think it is fitting here due to how much more intense the kiai sections are compared to the rest of the song. In all of my difficulties, this is additionally reflected in the rhythm growing more dense/intense. (Beginner going from solid 4/1 to some 2/1, easy from 2/1 to some 1/1, normal 1/1 to some 1/2, and hard from less to more circles. I feel that with how much more intense the song gets during the kiai, the sv change is warranted and plays well. It also helps it to be more readable in the increased rhythm rather than suddenly everything overlaps eachother in normal and hard. Removing this slider change - which I overall disagree with - would also make normal even easier, which in the set's current spread where I'm worried about it being too easy compared to hard always would make said difficulty gap even larger, as on top of the denser rhythm in the kiai, only hard would have the increase in speed. I want to introduce this in normal, as it fits, and also helps to introduce that new shiny thing in difficulty progression.
That being said, I plan to look at normal, in particular the kiai sections, to revise parts that may have awkward flow, as I think I made some parts weirdly linear or angular that makes it play more oddly than need be. For that reason, normal only has light updates for now and I'll apply your mod more fully when reworking certain parts.
Hopefully once I do that it'll be better~

I'm sorry this is really long I wasn't sure how much would classify as a good reason so I tried to write out the entirety of my reasoning as best as I could ;;

[Hard]
01:36:898 (2,3) - This rhythm could be Ctrl+G better to continue the pattern with slider first then to end on a slider. That or the slider can be repeated (2) Changed~ Fits better yes.
02:09:469 (3,4) - This can fit by blanketing but that's just me being judgmental I'm ashamed. Revised.

Oko's Part seems fine. perfect since birth.

My only concern is the normal. It's really holding this map back. Once the changes have been made or a good reason as to why 1.25 SV is used on a normal then I'll see to push the mapset forward. Advanced diff ohno can be looked into but really I just want to see what is going to be said for normal diff

!!! thank you for modding so kindly

CircleChu wrote:
ok, i lost chess
Beginner
00:07:069 (1) - a bit offscreen. mm, it isn't offscreen in play, but will move it up to be less close.
I don`t know what else to add, seems ok. !!
Easy
00:08:441 (3) - ok, this is offscreen too. onscreen, but touching health bar some. moved a bit.
00:32:441 (2,3) - fix blanket and offscreen still onscreen, but touching hit error window some. moved a bit. Also blanket fix some.
01:04:669 (1,2) - you may fix this blanket a bit too. Fixed a bit~
02:11:869 (3) - maybe make this a bit more circular or something? Circular? do you mean like this? http://puu.sh/rDFfH/3e830cc53d.jpg if that's the case, no change, as the touching ends looks very uncomfortable to me ^^;
Normal
01:36:898 (6) - oh, this seems far offscreen. touches? I think.. maybe a pixel over? fixed~
01:56:098 (6) - same ^ it's not?
02:10:155 - this pause here looks unnecessary fixed~
Hard
I actually think you can map this section, from 00:34:498 - to 00:45:126 - here. I think this part serves perfectly fine as a break in all diffs, so no change~
00:55:584 (2) - offcreen again :p it's not offscreen what ;;
01:01:241 (3) - idk about this, maybe up a bit? a bit
Sry for my poor mod :c thank you stilll! ^^
iWinnie told me to mod first 4 diffs, so here you go. Decent mapset, i haven`t found any problem at all, very fun to play, even tho i don`t really like vocaloids and anime XD If you like yellow it's all ok
~Thank you for the mod~

squishyguppy

1,256 posts

Joined March 2014

squishyguppy 2016-10-11T20:14:08+00:00

I can't find anything wrong so I shot some stars

Winnie

1,343 posts

Joined November 2013

Winnie 2016-10-12T05:27:25+00:00

What I meant with an advanced was that you could have one between normal and hard. The gap spread SV of the map itself is a big jump. The normal is quite easy to play then the hard comes in with more of an impact. An advanced could help leverage out your SV and the way your map is played. It's not really necessary if you don't want it but I'm just saying it'll be really good to have one. I've talked to Kibb I'll see what he says

Noffy

Visual Architect

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Joined April 2012

Topic Starter

Noffy 2016-10-12T08:55:04+00:00

iWinnie wrote:
What I meant with an advanced was that you could have one between normal and hard. The gap spread SV of the map itself is a big jump. The normal is quite easy to play then the hard comes in with more of an impact. An advanced could help leverage out your SV and the way your map is played. It's not really necessary if you don't want it but I'm just saying it'll be really good to have one. I've talked to Kibb I'll see what he says

Ohhhh I see! I may have to look into making one then if I can

Not sure how I'd make a rhythm for it though >_<
~~Even if deep in my heart I want to be lazy and say it's not needed, I've technically mapped 13ish diffs for this song if you count full-remaps so. Soo.. another one.. wouldn't be too bad..~~
For that reason I was a bit adverse to believing whether it would really need one or not, but have since then been thinking that it could help with how I constantly run into the problem of trying to balance normal and hard as is. Also since I wanted this map to be accessible to all players from it's conception beginner that not having a good diff for those between normal and hard would be a shame.

Small story: I'd map hard the way I want it to be, it ends up too hard of a jump from normal, nuke it a bit, unhappy with it, remap it again, too hard again, and so on. On the other side, trying to make normal harder would always feel awkward and wrong, without making it too hard compared to easy. X_X

Pyroflayer wrote:
I can't find anything wrong so I shot some stars

!! I saw those a bit before you posted and thought that may have been it, but thank you for both looking at it and the confirmation Pyroflayer ~

EphemeralFetish

472 posts

Joined May 2014

EphemeralFetish 2016-10-14T03:13:07+00:00

Spoiler I dont map anything other than Extra diffs so judging anything else is kinda ehh for me. Loads of posts as well so this'll probably be a bunch of personal suggestions rather than issues.

oko's Extra

00:13:841 (9,1) - While this makes perfect sense in how you've mapped it, I fear for several reasons this could be ever so slightly misleading. Comparing 00:13:584 (8) - with 00:12:898 (3) - Which are both the same sound you'd assume this early in the song (Since the player has yet to play it) They would both have the 1/4 gap in between. Yet the second obviously doesn't, so possible misread. Easy solution either give some space between 00:13:841 (9,1) - Or just move them both closer to 00:13:584 (8) - Or have said slider lead a little cleaner into it. Obviously this wont apply to any other cases of this since the player is ready for it then.
00:23:355 (12) - This slider in particular feels slightly jarring to me. Going from horizontal movement on the previous 3 to a vertical spike puts a lot of "forced momentum" I guess on the player, and since this particular jump is pretty small you have to halt your speed or move much slower than you expect. Id give it a bit more spacing or adjust the angle.
00:46:669 (1,2) - Weirdish transition, 1 doesnt flow well into the 2. 00:24:726 (1,2) - This was much better.
00:47:355 (3,4,5,6,7) - OCD triggered. Pattern is noticeably off because 00:47:355 (3,4,5) - Arent evenly spaced along with 00:47:526 (4,6,7) -
00:48:555 (2,3) - So due to the counterclockwise movement of previous notes, I would have expected this to be a little lower down, since right now you have to pull out of it a little too much. Tad strange.
01:01:241 (3) - This really needs a bit more emphasis.
01:45:126 (3) - Same here.

oko's Another

Strange how this is the same AR as the extra. AR9 is fine.
00:33:812 (8,9,10) - 9 > 8 > 10 makes for a smoother pattern and leads from the previous slider better.
00:47:012 (2,3) - Slightly misleading as a 1/4 gap. The previous instance of this was also much more spaced so its a bit inconsistent.
01:12:726 (4) - Not too sure about this linear flow. Something like https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/6316928 Could work nicely.

Perfectly fine diff as is.

oko's Insane

00:51:298 (2,3) - This really doesnt matter at all but my OCD once again triggered that these arent perfectly overlapped.
02:00:555 (5,6,1) - Auto stacking makes this a little difficult to see for an insane diff.

Again, nothing wrong. I cant even find personal opinions.

So, this isnt just me being lazy but I honestly cant find anything in the lower diffs. They seem perfectly fine to me, and anything I pointed out for the higher ones doesnt even matter that much. Set is perfectly rankable.

Also if anyone wants to complain about the spread, they're stupid. =w=

Cryptic

551 posts

Joined December 2013

Cryptic 2016-10-14T17:46:35+00:00

Similar to what Kocari had said, an Advanced is missing in the spread most likely (as well as the Insane possibly needing a light buff). I'll be modding Oko's diffs after Fetish's mod is looked at and applied (if Oko choose to do so).

[Beginner]

Not really a big fan of this difficulty. In my opinion it either needs to be remapped entirely or removed. I'll quickly go over why. For super easy difficulties such as this, the player will be heavily relying on the slider velocity speed and adjusting their playing to fit that. Here, you use a SV of .6 (which is about average for diffs like this) but you use a DS of .6 . This is where the issue lies, as the notes will be closer than what the player will intuitively expect and therefore they may hit the note early. Using a DS of 1 or slightly higher (1.1 or 1.2) is recommended for difficulties like this as all movements are about the same. This is really evident in places like 01:10:155 (2,3) - here where you complete the slider and theres a noticeable stop which is really jarring visually and play-ually (yes I made that up). Overall, if you really want a beginner, I highly recommend looking at the following difficulties to get a better idea of how yours should be made:
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/838742&m=0
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/722514&m=0
In conclusion, I'd say that my opinion of this is a bit harsher than most, but if you want to do an incredibly easy difficulty you have to be very particular with SV and DS. Overall, if you want to choose between remapping/fixing the Beginner or making the Advanced, choose making an Advanced.

[Easy]

A similar problem is on the easy but its less noticeable so we'll ignore it.
00:32:441 (2,3) - Polish this blanket.
01:29:355 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - Polish the flow here. What I mean by that is 01:29:355 (1,2) - Currently 1 does not flow directly into 2, let alone 2>3. Change the positioning of 1's slider tail to flow into 2,3 like you have it done here 01:32:098 (1,2,3) - . Next, make sure that 01:30:726 (2,3,1) - flows properly into 1. Right now, the curve flows partially opposite to where the circles are coming from. If I need to clarify anything about this, ask me.

[Normal]

00:06:726 (6) - This feels super out of place.
00:21:469 (2,3) - Fix DS.
01:36:898 (6,1) - DS?
01:49:241 (3,4) - DS?
So on the Easy I mentioned polishing the flow. Well this map has a lot of issues with flow/direction (00:23:526 (1,2,3) - 00:24:898 (3,4,1) - 00:30:384 (3,4,1) - 00:45:469 (1,2,3) - 01:05:355 (3,4,5) - 01:11:526 (3,4,5,6,1) - 01:51:298 (1,2,3) - 01:53:698 (4,1) - 01:57:812 (3,4,1) - 02:07:069 (6,7,1) - ). If this was a Hard or Advanced I think I'd let a lot of this slide, but I'd recommend doing some self-modding here before you get me to fully check (or get some experienced Normal modders). Easier ones to change would be 00:29:698 (2) - tilting this -10 deg or so, 00:32:441 (2) - same here, maybe a bit more deg. I don't know, overall the map doesn't need to be remapped, but it can definitely be more polished.

[Hard]

00:09:812 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - Why stacked?
00:11:184 (1,1,2) - I would end the spinner earlier so you can have two sliders, otherwise it just feels weird.
01:07:412 (1,2,3,4,5) - For the kiai, this pattern feels really cramped, especially the 4,5. CTRL+Ging the 5 would be nice but you don't really do any decently large jumps so that wouldn't work.
01:09:126 (3,4,5) - I get the concept here, but it feels kind of clunky. I'd change 5's shape to flow better out of the jumps rather than mimicking the jumps.
01:30:041 (3) - Rotate this in place slightly to flow better, remember what I've mentioned above.
01:36:212 (1,2,3) - I can't help but feel this should be a 1/1 slider that ends on the accent their voices hit, that way you can put an actual circle where you have the slider end now.
01:44:441 (1,2) - I wish this kept the pattern that 01:43:069 (1,2,3,4) - started visually.
01:51:298 (1,2,3,4,5) - Flipped patterns cause the same problems, look above.
01:53:012 (3,4,5) - Same thing for flipped sliders.
01:58:155 (1,2,3,4,5) - I actually like this pattern a lot, good job. It'd be cool to see more stuff like this here and there.
01:58:841 (5,1) - Recall: Flow
02:11:184 (3,1) - Recall: Flow

Set is close, but lower diffs still need more polishing from my POV.

Okoayu

Nomination Assessment Team

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Joined May 2012

Okoayu 2016-10-14T18:25:17+00:00

wtf is noffy's avatar lol
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Noffy

Visual Architect

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Joined April 2012

Topic Starter

Noffy 2016-10-15T01:21:35+00:00

Can't update as I'm not home and the internet keeps disconnecting when I try so I'll put this reply here for now.
~~mostly just wanted to make sure i was #200~~

200 posts

party...~

Will edit orange replies in the post as I try to consider it more or try to understand better...

Cryptic wrote:
Similar to what Kocari had said, an Advanced is missing in the spread most likely need 99 diffs ok I'll do ;_; (as well as the Insane possibly needing a light buff). I'll be modding Oko's diffs after Fetish's mod is looked at and applied (if Oko choose to do so).

[Beginner]
Not really a big fan of this difficulty. In my opinion it either needs to be remapped entirely or removed. I'll quickly go over why. For super easy difficulties such as this, the player will be heavily relying on the slider velocity speed and adjusting their playing to fit that. Here, you use a SV of .6 (which is about average for diffs like this) but you use a DS of .6 . This is where the issue lies, as the notes will be closer than what the player will intuitively expect and therefore they may hit the note early. Using a DS of 1 or slightly higher (1.1 or 1.2) is recommended for difficulties like this as all movements are about the same. This is really evident in places like 01:10:155 (2,3) - here where you complete the slider and theres a noticeable stop which is really jarring visually and play-ually (yes I made that up). Overall, if you really want a beginner, I highly recommend looking at the following difficulties to get a better idea of how yours should be made: Err, I'll consider it, or raising it, but this choice in sv and ds was made by watching a lot of people brand new to the game trying to play. The vast majority of them panic on sliders, go faster on sliders, and try to complete sliders as soon as possible. When a slider's speed is slower than or close to the speed between objects, they end up then breaking out of the follow circle because of that. I raised the distance snap to .8 to avoid complete stops between the closer notes in time, but for the reasons I described previously did not raise it to an entire 1.0.
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/838742&m=0
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/722514&m=0
In conclusion, I'd say that my opinion of this is a bit harsher than most, but if you want to do an incredibly easy difficulty you have to be very particular with SV and DS. Overall, if you want to choose between remapping/fixing the Beginner or making the Advanced, choose making an Advanced.
[Easy]
A similar problem is on the easy but its less noticeable so we'll ignore it. :0
00:32:441 (2,3) - Polish this blanket. polished, but the center of it still goes away from the main blanket a bit to keep the intended shape.
01:29:355 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - Polish the flow here. What I mean by that is 01:29:355 (1,2) - Currently 1 does not flow directly into 2, let alone 2>3. Change the positioning of 1's slider tail to flow into 2,3 like you have it done here 01:32:098 (1,2,3) - . Next, make sure that 01:30:726 (2,3,1) - flows properly into 1. Right now, the curve flows partially opposite to where the circles are coming from. If I need to clarify anything about this, ask me. Fixeds
[Normal]
00:06:726 (6) - This feels super out of place. changed
00:21:469 (2,3) - Fix DS. ???? confused
01:36:898 (6,1) - DS? fixed
01:49:241 (3,4) - DS? fixed
So on the Easy I mentioned polishing the flow. Well this map has a lot of issues with flow/direction (00:23:526 (1,2,3) - 00:24:898 (3,4,1) - 00:30:384 (3,4,1) - 00:45:469 (1,2,3) - 01:05:355 (3,4,5) - 01:11:526 (3,4,5,6,1) - 01:51:298 (1,2,3) - 01:53:698 (4,1) - 01:57:812 (3,4,1) - 02:07:069 (6,7,1) - ). If this was a Hard or Advanced I think I'd let a lot of this slide, but I'd recommend doing some self-modding here before you get me to fully check (or get some experienced Normal modders). Easier ones to change would be 00:29:698 (2) - tilting this -10 deg or so, 00:32:441 (2) - same here, maybe a bit more deg. I don't know, overall the map doesn't need to be remapped, but it can definitely be more polished. Er, some of the links were a bit confusing as to how their flow would need polishing, but will revise this difficulty as best I can.
[Hard]
00:09:812 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - Why stacked? To pair the sounds I think should be paired rather than have a massive line of equal-importance circles.
00:11:184 (1,1,2) - I would end the spinner earlier so you can have two sliders, otherwise it just feels weird. Ok
01:07:412 (1,2,3,4,5) - For the kiai, this pattern feels really cramped, especially the 4,5. CTRL+Ging the 5 would be nice but you don't really do any decently large jumps so that wouldn't work. I'll consider changing it, but I think it is fine as it is and not ..really cramped. no change for now..
01:09:126 (3,4,5) - I get the concept here, but it feels kind of clunky. I'd change 5's shape to flow better out of the jumps rather than mimicking the jumps. I do not understand how this would feel clunky, so not sure how to change if I even would. No change.
01:30:041 (3) - Rotate this in place slightly to flow better, remember what I've mentioned above. Moved (1,2) instead because I think rotating 3 would make how it leads into the next combo awkward.
01:36:212 (1,2,3) - I can't help but feel this should be a 1/1 slider that ends on the accent their voices hit, that way you can put an actual circle where you have the slider end now. I think this is one of the weirdest held vocals in the song, and that it sounds really really really really weird to end the slider at the white tick, because the hold is still going. No change.
01:44:441 (1,2) - I wish this kept the pattern that 01:43:069 (1,2,3,4) - started visually. err, not entirely sure what you meant, but tried to change.
01:51:298 (1,2,3,4,5) - Flipped patterns cause the same problems, look above. Same thing.. will consider.
01:53:012 (3,4,5) - Same thing for flipped sliders. Now I'm especially confused, because the way it interacts with the patterns around it is totally different. No change ;;
01:58:155 (1,2,3,4,5) - I actually like this pattern a lot, good job. It'd be cool to see more stuff like this here and there. hmm...
01:58:841 (5,1) - Recall: Flow Will think about this.
02:11:184 (3,1) - Recall: Flow In this case, I don't see why that should need to be changed, as it is going nearly straight down, where the next pattern goes nearly straight up, and their voices have enough of a pluck at the start of the next combo I feel to warrant that directional change.
Set is close, but lower diffs still need more polishing from my POV.

Okorin wrote:
wtf is noffy's avatar lol kawaii len desu.
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Ayyri

Ayyri 2016-10-15T03:17:42+00:00

Okorin wrote:
wtf is noffy's avatar lol

It's Len.

Anxient

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Joined June 2014

Anxient 2016-11-07T17:32:19+00:00

im feeling extremely yellow, my dear buddy'ol'pal

im gonna tear this map a new sliderhole. (visually)

Beginner

00:01:584 (1) - center the curve's sliderpoint. its ruining the curve of the slider. http://puu.sh/saLyh/2e11dbe926.jpg
00:04:326 (2) - i cant help but feel like this note this out of place. well, comparing it to 00:01:584 (1) - , you might wanna go with something more similar. maybe a straight slider http://puu.sh/saLHz/35f73eb507.jpg (to imitate the previous slider's straight drop would feel more suitable? fix any distancing issues that may arise.
00:18:041 (1) - imo using a wider curve looks weird and bad. try condensing it. http://puu.sh/saLTe/3fff866b42.jpg Bonus points if you manage to blanket the sliderend with 00:15:298 (2) -
00:20:784 (2) - a straight slider should do nicely. looks less confusing and is more pleasing to look at http://puu.sh/saM9x/dee089dc12.jpg

heres a pro tip for ya. for beginner diffs, stick to simple shapes. like, easy to understand, simple shapes. keep slider variety to a minimum, like 3 at max (excl. mirror sliders). dont startle the new players with stuff like slider art. that stuff is reserved to the higher difficulties (hard+).

tbh, im questioning on whether or not you actually need the beginner diff. i mean, first time players would be able to clear Easy no problemo. i can testify to playing maps of this level when i was starting and playing them with average score. if you want to keep this vid, pm me and maybe we can IRC mod this together. because most of the issues in here are relating to slider usage and its super hard to explain that on text without someone (the mapper) to talk to.

ill just move on to the next diff because most of what i wanted to say for this mod was already stated over on the pro tip section.

Easy

00:01:584 (1,2) - methinks that having super slanted sliders are ugly :c. heres a better suggestion! http://puu.sh/saMDV/b0c88b2860.jpg curve sliders are cute and easy to look at; a better alternative which isnt too different to play!

00:02:955 (2,1) - blanket whenever possible. they look good yo. but if blanketting isnt your intention, then make sure that said notes look less blanket ready. *http://puu.sh/saMI9/77bc2d2347.jpg, although i recommend the blanket.
*http://puu.sh/saMLq/715cb0dd75.jpg see? doesnt this look pretty?

00:15:298 (1,3) - applies the same way~. blanket whenever possible! half-done blankets look weird and should be removed!

00:16:669 (3) - why is this slider slanted tho? this looks better dont you think? http://puu.sh/saN7w/36f4e1b118.jpg
00:18:041 (1,2,3) - if you apply the mod on top, ill help you fix this one. try doing this http://puu.sh/saNfT/86694aca61.jpg and see if you like em. i condensed the notes for visibility. http://puu.sh/saNj4/ae33edeea0.jpg

00:20:784 (1,3) - now same question; why is this slider slanted? just keep it nice and curved without slanting it too much. try doing this http://puu.sh/saNml/88de207d4b.jpg

00:23:526 (1,2,3) - you can fix these notes easy, but lets see you try. my suggestion is doing this tho http://puu.sh/saNw2/ddfcd6c9ed.jpg. just stack the sliderend of the straight slider to the sliderhead of 00:27:641 -

00:49:584 (3) - lolol whats up with this slider? just go with a regular curve. dont feel obligated to do fancy stuff on a song that clearly sounds simple. thats like putting a top hat on a chef. its a hat that belongs on a head, but not this head. same with the slider, its a slider that belongs on a map, but not this map. hope you understood that xd

00:56:441 (1,2) - same with the beginning. curving this makes it look better!
01:01:926 (1,2) - ^

01:04:669 (1,1) - make that sliderblanket better yo!
01:04:669 (1) - do you really need to NC this? continuing combo is perfectly fine for me.

01:10:155 (1) - im not to say here, but you can either change this slider to a regular curve, or hook the second portion of the slider to make the movement to the next note more intuitive (obvious). http://puu.sh/saNTr/b9b7b2e3b4.jpg

01:15:641 (1,2) - use the same slider yo. i dont see why not? xd actually looks better ya know.

01:18:041 (3) - try curving it. might actually look better somehow. what do you think? http://puu.sh/saNXb/903e759b63.jpg

01:27:984 - lolol whyd you delay the breaktime (end)? you dont need to do that. looks weird rn. set it back to normal.

01:33:469 (2,1) - a better blanket is possible.

01:37:584 (3) - i feel like you could improve this section. dont go with a 2/1 slider. feels lazy imo. instead, go with a 1/1+2 circle http://puu.sh/saObt/0c545e9dbb.jpg try adding a straight slider facing top http://puu.sh/saOcn/fd34966de3.jpg. might work for you. remember; dont make the slider too slanted!

01:50:612 (2,1) - i feel like you could make these enter more smoothly. rn it looks super forced. dont delete the curve slider tho, youll need that for the next mod. for starters, why dont we perfectly align these together? http://puu.sh/saOpz/becd72e152.jpg

01:54:041 (1) - this sound is identical to 01:51:298 (1) - no? but copy pasting it as is makes it look weird! lets rotate it 45 degrees anticlockwise. http://puu.sh/saOCp/dde13ba9bf.jpg now it looks better!

01:54:041 (1,2,3,1) - but now this place looks all broken! heres my suggested fix. i condensed the objects so that you can see everything in one screen. http://puu.sh/saONr/9592be656e.jpg (the blank note represents the next note after the slider)

fix any broken spacing issues.

02:06:384 (2,3,1) - try to have these swing a bit more. as in, lower [3] and bump up [1]. http://puu.sh/saOUI/56c27474c4.jpg it looks better right? i call this slider entry. seems like only i use it, but its a term that helps me explain on how to make sliders more intuitive (obvious).

Normal

00:59:184 (1,2,3,4) - maybe do this? it looks more organized this way. condensed for easier viewing; http://puu.sh/sgw4S/cba33dee96.jpg 00:59:184 (1,2,3) - mostly coz the visual distance is wonky lol http://puu.sh/sgw6j/92aa7c2739.jpg

01:34:841 (1,2,3) - same as above. just stack [3] with 01:34:155 (4) - . fix any spacing issues.

nothing wrong with this one i think

Hard
00:11:184 (1,1) - nice spinner gap? idk about this one. pls confirm coz id usually use this gap on insane+

01:08:441 (5) - with hard diffs, we can be more risky with the gameplay. ctrl g this to give a bit of challenge + emphasis to 01:08:784 (1) -

01:45:641 - dont ignore this :c theres a strong sound/vocal here.

01:46:841 - this part, 01:47:012 - since this part is weaker in emphasis than this 01:47:184 - why not stack it? the real pattern starts in 01:47:184 - anyway. http://puu.sh/sgwvx/9b6105a051.jpg

01:58:497 (3,4) - ctrl g. i think this should play a bit more rougher. a zigzag would work well imo

fin.

i like the normal+ diffs. only ez was a rek ;p

btw i wanna see a response post to this mod

Noffy

Visual Architect

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Topic Starter

Noffy 2016-11-14T07:55:31+00:00

I swear I didn't delay this reply intentionally ;x; I'm sorry I took so long to

Blue is yes accept
Fuchsia (pink) is accept overall but some change
Red is probably no
Orange is like.. crying on the inside, or a maybe (but honestly at this point red is probably a maybe too so why am I distinguishing them why do I use all these colors that aren't yellow what are these life choices)

Anxient wrote:
im feeling extremely yellow, my dear buddy'ol'pal Delightful!

im gonna tear this map a new sliderhole. (visually) A new sliderhole? '^'; ?? sliders can have holes?

Beginner

00:01:584 (1) - center the curve's sliderpoint. its ruining the curve of the slider. http://puu.sh/saLyh/2e11dbe926.jpg Changed~
00:04:326 (2) - i cant help but feel like this note this out of place. well, comparing it to 00:01:584 (1) - , you might wanna go with something more similar. maybe a straight slider http://puu.sh/saLHz/35f73eb507.jpg (to imitate the previous slider's straight drop would feel more suitable? fix any distancing issues that may arise. That's a very nice idea, changed and moved pattern slightly for distance snappu, also changed the shape of 00:07:069 (1) - for flow yeah
00:18:041 (1) - imo using a wider curve looks weird and bad. try condensing it. http://puu.sh/saLTe/3fff866b42.jpg Bonus points if you manage to blanket the sliderend with 00:15:298 (2) - I condensed it a little, but not as much as suggested, since I think that'd be out of place with the amount of curve generally used in this map/set.
00:20:784 (2) - a straight slider should do nicely. looks less confusing and is more pleasing to look at http://puu.sh/saM9x/dee089dc12.jpg I changed this to make it more straightfoward, but not as a straight slider. It's instead a bird now~

heres a pro tip for ya. for beginner diffs, stick to simple shapes. like, easy to understand, simple shapes. keep slider variety to a minimum, like 3 at max (excl. mirror sliders). dont startle the new players with stuff like slider art. that stuff is reserved to the higher difficulties (hard+).

tbh, im questioning on whether or not you actually need the beginner diff. i mean, first time players would be able to clear Easy no problemo. i can testify to playing maps of this level when i was starting and playing them with average score. if you want to keep this vid, pm me and maybe we can IRC mod this together. because most of the issues in here are relating to slider usage and its super hard to explain that on text without someone (the mapper) to talk to.

ill just move on to the next diff because most of what i wanted to say for this mod was already stated over on the pro tip section. I applied mostly what you said here, and changed a couple (literally 2) other things in this difficulty, since I'd like to talk about you with it in IRC when the chance appears first. Especially since, the majority of specially shaped sliders are for either a.) YELLOW YELLOW during the kiai and b.)the end of a section, and I want to keep that concept in general, but if there are ways to make it look better while still having special shapes for those portions then I'll definitely change it.

Easy

00:01:584 (1,2) - methinks that having super slanted sliders are ugly :c. heres a better suggestion! http://puu.sh/saMDV/b0c88b2860.jpg curve sliders are cute and easy to look at; a better alternative which isnt too different to play! I'll keep this in consideration, and ask others about it if I can, but personally don't find slanted sliders like these to be ugly vs. too many curves in a row to sometimes be x_x. So no change for now.

00:02:955 (2,1) - blanket whenever possible. they look good yo. but if blanketting isnt your intention, then make sure that said notes look less blanket ready. Instead of blanketing, I've moved this to the left to look less blanket ready, as I'd want this to beginning section to have very simple straightforward movements which a blanket would interfere with ever so slightly enough to be :C*http://puu.sh/saMI9/77bc2d2347.jpg, although i recommend the blanket.
*http://puu.sh/saMLq/715cb0dd75.jpg see? doesnt this look pretty?

00:15:298 (1,3) - applies the same way~. blanket whenever possible! half-done blankets look weird and should be removed! Not applied due to changing some according to the below.

00:16:669 (3) - why is this slider slanted tho? this looks better dont you think? http://puu.sh/saN7w/36f4e1b118.jpg Changed to be less slanted, but not entirely, as it flows better into the next part of the pattern this way.
00:18:041 (1,2,3) - if you apply the mod on top, ill help you fix this one. try doing this http://puu.sh/saNfT/86694aca61.jpg and see if you like em. i condensed the notes for visibility. http://puu.sh/saNj4/ae33edeea0.jpg Mostly changed this as suggested~

00:20:784 (1,3) - now same question; why is this slider slanted? just keep it nice and curved without slanting it too much. try doing this http://puu.sh/saNml/88de207d4b.jpg I ended up changing it while applying the above, it's not as suggested, but now it's mostly straight + curve.

00:23:526 (1,2,3) - you can fix these notes easy, but lets see you try. my suggestion is doing this tho http://puu.sh/saNw2/ddfcd6c9ed.jpg. just stack the sliderend of the straight slider to the sliderhead of 00:27:641 - The way I changed the above meant this is not needed to be fixed, unless you were suggesting it for another reason.

00:49:584 (3) - lolol whats up with this slider? just go with a regular curve. dont feel obligated to do fancy stuff on a song that clearly sounds simple. thats like putting a top hat on a chef. its a hat that belongs on a head, but not this head. same with the slider, its a slider that belongs on a map, but not this map. hope you understood that xd I think I understand, but would like to keep it this way for 00:48:212 (1,2,3) - to feel similar to 00:26:269 (1,2,3) - in that you have two nice innocent circles and then a slider that makes you move a bit out of the ordinary in comparison. I'll try to (honest to goodness) think of another way to accomplish that without just copying the first pattern besides this, but (overall) I think it's good as is.

00:56:441 (1,2) - same with the beginning. curving this makes it look better!
01:01:926 (1,2) - ^ ^ same reply as beginning for these two for now then

01:04:669 (1,1) - make that sliderblanket better yo! Fixed, I think, probably.
01:04:669 (1) - do you really need to NC this? continuing combo is perfectly fine for me. Well the entire diff is NC'd every other bar.. it'd be kind of inconsistent to randomly not do so for here

01:10:155 (1) - im not to say here, but you can either change this slider to a regular curve, or hook the second portion of the slider to make the movement to the next note more intuitive (obvious). http://puu.sh/saNTr/b9b7b2e3b4.jpg I moved this and the objects before and after a bit for hopefully more obvious movement, but did not do the suggested shape because a.) eeek, it's a bit out of place and b.)I did not simply curve it because the way the pattern is currently set up, there isn't a good way to do so that I can figure out that doesn't make the movement less intuitive.

01:15:641 (1,2) - use the same slider yo. i dont see why not? xd actually looks better ya know. Changed as suggested

01:18:041 (3) - try curving it. might actually look better somehow. what do you think? http://puu.sh/saNXb/903e759b63.jpg No change, I think here, having it straight helps emphasize the finality of it/the cymbal whoo-shiwaaw

01:27:984 - lolol whyd you delay the breaktime (end)? you dont need to do that. looks weird rn. set it back to normal. This is legitimately happening in all of my maps randomly and I have no clue why :< fixed probably

01:33:469 (2,1) - a better blanket is possible. Fixed I think probably.

01:37:584 (3) - i feel like you could improve this section. dont go with a 2/1 slider. feels lazy imo. instead, go with a 1/1+2 circle
http://puu.sh/saObt/0c545e9dbb.jpg try adding a straight slider facing top http://puu.sh/saOcn/fd34966de3.jpg. might work for you. remember; dont make the slider too slanted! Changed rhythm as suggested, but opted for a curved slider instead since straight here would require the next note not to come out of it but to be to the side due to how close it is to the top which is a bit hmm

01:50:612 (2,1) - i feel like you could make these enter more smoothly. rn it looks super forced. dont delete the curve slider tho, youll need that for the next mod. for starters, why dont we perfectly align these together? http://puu.sh/saOpz/becd72e152.jpg I tried to change it a wee bit, but didn't apply the suggestion to align them perfectly because the slider goes slightly upwards which would.. I think.. look very odd to be that way instead of the slider being slightly higher than the circle so that it leads into the slider's shape.

01:54:041 (1) - this sound is identical to 01:51:298 (1) - no? but copy pasting it as is makes it look weird! lets rotate it 45 degrees anticlockwise. http://puu.sh/saOCp/dde13ba9bf.jpg now it looks better! Changed mostly as suggested~

01:54:041 (1,2,3,1) - but now this place looks all broken! heres my suggested fix. i condensed the objects so that you can see everything in one screen. http://puu.sh/saONr/9592be656e.jpg (the blank note represents the next note after the slider) Changed mostly as suggested except kept 01:56:784 (1) - straight yes.

fix any broken spacing issues. always

02:06:384 (2,3,1) - try to have these swing a bit more. as in, lower [3] and bump up [1]. http://puu.sh/saOUI/56c27474c4.jpg it looks better right? i call this slider entry. seems like only i use it, but its a term that helps me explain on how to make sliders more intuitive (obvious). Changed just as suggested

ill continue this mod on a later date;

to be continued: Normal -->Good luck it's technically the oldest diff of mine but I can't find anything when self-modding :< Advanced --> Good luck it's the newest diff so I still like it too much to be able to self-mod it :> hard Good luck in general

Anxient wrote:
Normal

00:59:184 (1,2,3,4) - maybe do this? it looks more organized this way. condensed for easier viewing; http://puu.sh/sgw4S/cba33dee96.jpg 00:59:184 (1,2,3) - mostly coz the visual distance is wonky lol http://puu.sh/sgw6j/92aa7c2739.jpg Fixed ! ! I think

01:34:841 (1,2,3) - same as above. just stack [3] with 01:34:155 (4) - . fix any spacing issues. It ended up taking a bit more than a stack to make it fully proper but done did

nothing wrong with this one i think !!!

Hard
00:11:184 (1,1) - nice spinner gap? idk about this one. pls confirm coz id usually use this gap on insane+ I'm pretty sure it's alright, it fits with the overall difficulty of this hard, which is a bit in the higher levels of what's considered a hard already. also this dinosaur that was freshly born when I first made this set orzzz

01:08:441 (5) - with hard diffs, we can be more risky with the gameplay. ctrl g this to give a bit of challenge + emphasis to 01:08:784 (1) - Not too sure about this one to be honest, will have to think about it.

01:45:641 - dont ignore this :c theres a strong sound/vocal here. 01:01:755 - same thing happens here, but the singing is so weirdly high pitched right here and there that it feels wrong to click to, in my opinion :< (also because 5 circles in a row is a terror that I was iffy about putting in even at 01:47:012 (1) -

01:46:841 - this part, 01:47:012 - since this part is weaker in emphasis than this 01:47:184 - why not stack it? the real pattern starts in 01:47:184 - anyway. http://puu.sh/sgwvx/9b6105a051.jpg Aaah, I get what you mean, but I think that stacking in this map would be an emhpasis itself since I so rarely stack one note after the other, ~~and I absolutely don't want to ruin the symmetries that are painstakingly dsed and everything~~, and that the current way is the best to keep it from being emphasized because it's just sorta.. there. in the middle. there. nothing special about it.

01:58:497 (3,4) - ctrl g. i think this should play a bit more rougher. a zigzag would work well imo That works quite well overall. Done~

fin. alleluia

i like the normal+ diffs. only ez was a rek ;p advanced must have been a miracle. But overall that's heartening to hear! Hopefully I managed to make easy better with your advice ! !

btw i wanna see a response post to this mod eeeee

Last edited by Noffy 2016-11-23T19:30:38+00:00, edited 1 time in total.

Azure

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Joined November 2010

Azure 2016-11-22T14:41:12+00:00

HELLO, from my Queue

omg so many diffs

[General]

check the wildscreen be consistent in every diff
the BG is very colorful and bright, I sincerely recommend changing all combo colors to this for player
(please avoid yellow & green)

[Hard]

01:47:012 (6,7) change 2 notes to a slider

[oko's Extra]

00:46:669 why use this weird DS to overlap 1/2 slider?

check all diffs then don't know what to mod

GL..

Noffy

Visual Architect

1,722 posts

Joined April 2012

Topic Starter

Noffy 2016-11-23T19:30:40+00:00

Double checked the widescreen support and fixed that, it was randomly checked on a few diffs.
Those combo colors don't go with the song at all, in my opinion, so no change >_<
..
and, what is that timestamp on hard supposed to be referring to? D: Even before the offset changed it was trying to link me to a non-existent (6,7). Same goes for the point on oko's diff, while it did refer to a 1/2 slider, your point mentions overlap.. when.. it's not overlapping anything?

Chat log with Cryptic

Where I ask for some clarifications about what he meant for flow that needs polishing on Normal. ~~Posting chat log now even though I have yet to modify the map accordingly so that I don't forget >_<~~ Edit: response at bottom ay

00:09 Noffy: son it's a school night
00:09 Cryptic: aye
00:09 Cryptic: o
00:09 Noffy: ayeo
00:10 Noffy: May I steal a bit of your night time     ?
00:11 Cryptic: depends I guess?
00:11 Noffy: okay so like I've been periodically looking at 
00:11 Noffy: your mod on yellow trick
00:11 Cryptic: okay?
00:11 Noffy: the point about flow on normal in particular
00:12 Noffy: and I don't really understand what was wrong with the flow in the parts you pointed out
00:12 Noffy: could you please elaborate if possible?
00:12 Noffy: ><
00:13 Cryptic: uhhh
00:13 Cryptic: sure
00:13 Noffy: !!!
00:13 Noffy: thanku
00:13 Cryptic: do you mind linking the parts
00:13 Cryptic: you don't understand?
00:13 Noffy: sure just a second
00:14 Noffy: I'm gonna copy this from the thread
00:14 Cryptic: okoko
00:15 Noffy: cause it's actually all of them (besides the ones in the kiais since those sections were mostly rearranged as I removed the sv multiplier)
00:15 Noffy: 00:23:526 (1,2,3) - 00:24:898 (3,4,1) - 00:30:384 (3,4,1) - 00:45:469 (1,2,3) - 01:05:355 (3,4,5)
00:16 Noffy: 00:24:898 (3,4,1) - this one I kind of see what you mean, but the rest are ><?
00:16 Cryptic: 00:23:526 (1,2,3) - okay so the issue here is that you're basically having the player go directly horizontal, up and down, and then directly horizontal again. Typically patterns like this are arranged so that the kick is placed above/below the beginning and ending objects so that it can better lead into it
00:16 Cryptic: For example
00:17 *Cryptic is editing [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/783429 Sigma ft. Paloma Faith - Changing [Normal]]
00:17 Noffy: Huh, I see, but the intent there was that 2 would play more like a hold rather than the player going all the way up and down
00:17 Cryptic: 01:07:197 (3,1,2) -
00:17 Cryptic: like that
00:17 Noffy: Is that not obvious enough at this difficulty level ? ><
00:17 Cryptic: I get the intent, but a new player would still make the mistake
00:17 Cryptic: This normal actually does some stuff I dislike
00:18 Cryptic: but its fairly consistent about it and the way that it presents it doesn't make it overly difficult to figure out
00:18 Cryptic: back to your map
00:19 Noffy: okay
00:19 Cryptic: 00:24:898 (3,4,1) - this isn't a huge issue, just something I personally dislike since it doesn't directly flow into one another. I prepfer linear/circular flow almost exclusively on lower diffs, so I typically try to get mappers to conform ot that standard when I'm modding
00:19 Cryptic: Circular/linear flow is easier to pick up and allows players to more easily transition from easy to normal
00:19 Cryptic: then you can introduce some rougher flows in hards/advanceds
00:19 Cryptic: Its just a personal thing
00:19 Noffy: ah, I see, in that case I'd probably want to keep it, since like 3->4 is a bit harsher to emhpasize the higher pitch
00:19 Noffy: if that makes sense?
00:20 Cryptic: 00:30:384 (3,4,1) - kind of the same thing I mentioned with the repeat arrow. You basically have the four below the curve of the sliders. If you'd map out a path from slider to slider, the four would be below that path and thus not quite fitting.
00:20 Cryptic: Sure, it makes sense.
00:20 Cryptic: 00:45:469 (1,2,3) - same problem as the earlier place
00:20 Cryptic: 01:05:355 (3,4,5,6) - this isn't as large of a problem, but its similar to the whole doesn't flow /as/ well as it could thing
00:21 Cryptic: so yeah
00:21 Cryptic: let me know if you have any additional questions
00:21 Cryptic: also, I'd recommend posting a log of this when you update just to keep a track of changes.
00:21 Noffy: alright, will do! 
00:21 Cryptic: Good luck~
00:21 Noffy: Thank you! c:
00:21 Noffy: I think I get it better now what I need to fix c:<
00:22 Cryptic: Cool cool~
00:22 Cryptic: People have told me they don't think your lower diffs don't look too bad
00:22 Cryptic: but IMO they're just unpolished still
00:22 Cryptic: You can tell a lot of it was odne before you had a better grasp on mapping
00:22 Cryptic: and especially on lower diffs, aesthetics are quite important
00:22 Noffy: Normal's my biggest worry
00:22 Cryptic: so I think really nazi'ing this stuff is beneficial for someone in your stage
00:22 Noffy: cause it was the only one that wasn't massively changed/remapped prior to reviving the set
00:23 Cryptic: yeah
00:23 Cryptic: tbh, I'd still remap just because ugly af aesethtis in some places
00:23 Cryptic: but the entier thing isn't ugly
00:23 Cryptic: its like
00:23 Cryptic: fiddy fiddy
00:23 Noffy: which was because I didn't see anything wrong with it like I did other diffs
00:23 Noffy: oo I see
00:24 Noffy: will try to fix up there and there then
00:24 Noffy: thanku again
00:24 Noffy: !
00:24 Cryptic: np~

00:22:420 (1,2,3) - Changed this slightly, mostly as suggested. However, I did not make it too different as I still want this to be mostly straight, and while I think the example you gave me for the other map works, it's not quite what I was going for here.
00:23:792 (3,4,1) - No change, this is done intentionally to emphasize the final note in the bar.
00:29:278 (3,4,1) - No change for the same reason as above. In previous cases, 00:23:792 (3,4) - 00:26:535 (3,4) - the last note was blanketed, and had to change direction to be hit. This case, it roughly comes more out of the slider, so it is intentionally placed a bit out of the obvious path to achieve the same effect.
00:44:363 (1,2,3) - Changed this a bit as suggested, same as last accepted point in this box.
01:04:249 (3,4,5) - 01:03:563 (1,2,3) - Changed this pattern cause it was ugly, so now 3>4 goes more smoothly. The rest however was not changed, I do not see anything else wrong with this flow here.

Self changes for the record:
00:00:478 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6) - revised this section slightly so that 00:03:220 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - doesn't look awful
00:16:935 (1,2) - Made the waves less intense.
01:47:449 (1,2,3) - Changed this to be similar to how I changed 01:03:563 (1,2,3) -
00:49:849 (1,2,3) - Revised slightly so that 1>2 would look cleaner, and 2>3 play better.
01:33:735 (1,2,3,4) - Removed the 1/2s they weren't all that great
01:48:820 (4,5,6) - Revised so it wouldn't look and play gross

Also changed mp3

RE-DOWNLOAD IF DOWNLOADED BEFORE NOV 23RD 2016 THE OFFSET IS WAY OFF IF YOU DON'T

v Updated timestamps for oko's unapplied mods since I screwed that up by changing mp3 and didn't realize this until afterwards v

I'm sorry okoriiiin ;_;

Pachiru wrote:
[Okorin-senpai Insane]
00:20:020 (2,3,4) - Here, with the sound that I hear, I would think about something more fast (gotta got fast *cough cough*) but here, I see something that slow this part with the triplet, so I don't know if you want to change it, but I think it could be a possibility. Look here, it fit(s) very well! → 00:30:992 (2,3,4) -
00:20:363 (4) - Why you didn't NC here, but you did on the previous slider 00:19:678 (1) - but it's the the same sound *cry*
00:28:249 (2,4) - You should rework a bit the blanket here
00:50:192 (2,3) - In my opinion, this part isn't really nice, because it's like an overleap between those two sliders, and I don't think that it's the good thing to do, but it's up to you
01:00:820 (1) - I would change the side of this slider, like this https://puu.sh/riKCm/e3ae4f7511.png and then the flow can be more good imo.
01:09:735 (3,4) - The flow here is quite strange, I think the problem is from the second slider pwp

EphemeralFetish wrote:
Spoiler I dont map anything other than Extra diffs so judging anything else is kinda ehh for me. Loads of posts as well so this'll probably be a bunch of personal suggestions rather than issues.

oko's Extra

00:12:735 (9,1) - While this makes perfect sense in how you've mapped it, I fear for several reasons this could be ever so slightly misleading. Comparing 00:12:478 (8) - with 00:11:792 (3) - Which are both the same sound you'd assume this early in the song (Since the player has yet to play it) They would both have the 1/4 gap in between. Yet the second obviously doesn't, so possible misread. Easy solution either give some space between 00:12:735 (9,1) - Or just move them both closer to 00:12:478 (8) - Or have said slider lead a little cleaner into it. Obviously this wont apply to any other cases of this since the player is ready for it then.
00:22:249 (12) - This slider in particular feels slightly jarring to me. Going from horizontal movement on the previous 3 to a vertical spike puts a lot of "forced momentum" I guess on the player, and since this particular jump is pretty small you have to halt your speed or move much slower than you expect. Id give it a bit more spacing or adjust the angle.
00:45:563 (1,2) - Weirdish transition, 1 doesnt flow well into the 2. 00:23:620 (1,2) - This was much better.
00:46:249 (3,4,5,6,7) - OCD triggered. Pattern is noticeably off because 00:46:249 (3,4,5) - Arent evenly spaced along with 00:46:420 (4,6,7) -
00:47:449 (2,3) - So due to the counterclockwise movement of previous notes, I would have expected this to be a little lower down, since right now you have to pull out of it a little too much. Tad strange.
01:00:135 (3) - This really needs a bit more emphasis.
01:44:020 (3) - Same here.
oko's Another

Strange how this is the same AR as the extra. AR9 is fine.
00:32:706 (8,9,10) - 9 > 8 > 10 makes for a smoother pattern and leads from the previous slider better.
00:45:906 (2,3) - Slightly misleading as a 1/4 gap. The previous instance of this was also much more spaced so its a bit inconsistent.
01:11:620 (4) - Not too sure about this linear flow. Something like https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/6316928 Could work nicely.
Perfectly fine diff as is.

oko's Insane

00:50:192 (2,3) - This really doesnt matter at all but my OCD once again triggered that these arent perfectly overlapped.
01:59:449 (5,6,1) - Auto stacking makes this a little difficult to see for an insane diff.
Again, nothing wrong. I cant even find personal opinions.

So, this isnt just me being lazy but I honestly cant find anything in the lower diffs. They seem perfectly fine to me, and anything I pointed out for the higher ones doesnt even matter that much. Set is perfectly rankable.

Also if anyone wants to complain about the spread, they're stupid. =w=

Nuolong

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Nuolong 2016-11-26T00:39:28+00:00

star! i believe in you! do it!!

Okoayu

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Okoayu 2016-12-08T18:51:19+00:00

Pachiru wrote:
[Okorin-senpai Insane]
00:20:020 (2,3,4) - Here, with the sound that I hear, I would think about something more fast (gotta got fast *cough cough*) but here, I see something that slow this part with the triplet, so I don't know if you want to change it, but I think it could be a possibility. Look here, it fit(s) very well! → 00:30:992 (2,3,4) - uh the reasoning i have for these is more among the lines of this triple sounds deeper so it'll get something that involves less movement and more reading to play
00:20:363 (4) - Why you didn't NC here, but you did on the previous slider 00:19:678 (1) - but it's the the same sound *cry* this doesn't make any sense i combo according to bars of music
00:28:249 (2,4) - You should rework a bit the blanket here attempted, though i don't think that matters lol
00:50:192 (2,3) - In my opinion, this part isn't really nice, because it's like an overleap between those two sliders, and I don't think that it's the good thing to do, but it's up to you i think it looks nice lol
01:00:820 (1) - I would change the side of this slider, like this https://puu.sh/riKCm/e3ae4f7511.png and then the flow can be more good imo. i think the current movement is sharper than what you suggest which seems to be the better and nicer-looking solution here
01:09:735 (3,4) - The flow here is quite strange, I think the problem is from the second slider pwp it's just linear flow, it's used a ton in this diff so if you can play the rest of it just fine i don't see the issue lol

EphemeralFetish wrote:
Spoiler I dont map anything other than Extra diffs so judging anything else is kinda ehh for me. Loads of posts as well so this'll probably be a bunch of personal suggestions rather than issues.

oko's Extra

00:12:735 (9,1) - While this makes perfect sense in how you've mapped it, I fear for several reasons this could be ever so slightly misleading. Comparing 00:12:478 (8) - with 00:11:792 (3) - Which are both the same sound you'd assume this early in the song (Since the player has yet to play it) They would both have the 1/4 gap in between. Yet the second obviously doesn't, so possible misread. Easy solution either give some space between 00:12:735 (9,1) - Or just move them both closer to 00:12:478 (8) - Or have said slider lead a little cleaner into it. Obviously this wont apply to any other cases of this since the player is ready for it then. sounds on / after both sliders are different and i don't see how you would transmit information back in time so that the player can be confused by first and 2nd slider lol. i need to introduce the concept somewhere or else the player will never be ready for it so i do it as early as possible.
00:22:249 (12) - This slider in particular feels slightly jarring to me. Going from horizontal movement on the previous 3 to a vertical spike puts a lot of "forced momentum" I guess on the player, and since this particular jump is pretty small you have to halt your speed or move much slower than you expect. Id give it a bit more spacing or adjust the angle. did both
00:45:563 (1,2) - Weirdish transition, 1 doesnt flow well into the 2. 00:23:620 (1,2) - This was much better. same reasoning as for another, this is supposed to be slightly continuous rather than a strict cutoff due to the backing vocals
00:46:249 (3,4,5,6,7) - OCD triggered. Pattern is noticeably off because 00:46:249 (3,4,5) - Arent evenly spaced along with 00:46:420 (4,6,7) - I TRIED
00:47:449 (2,3) - So due to the counterclockwise movement of previous notes, I would have expected this to be a little lower down, since right now you have to pull out of it a little too much. Tad strange. moved it down a bit
01:00:135 (3) - This really needs a bit more emphasis.
01:44:020 (3) - Same here.done (previous one too)))
oko's Another

Strange how this is the same AR as the extra. AR9 is fine.
00:32:706 (8,9,10) - 9 > 8 > 10 makes for a smoother pattern and leads from the previous slider better. true, fixed
00:45:906 (2,3) - Slightly misleading as a 1/4 gap. The previous instance of this was also much more spaced so its a bit inconsistent. the vocals sound like they're just the extension of the same word so the current placement makes more sense to me because it's more connected
01:11:620 (4) - Not too sure about this linear flow. Something like https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/6316928 Could work nicely. did something similar
Perfectly fine diff as is.

oko's Insane

00:50:192 (2,3) - This really doesnt matter at all but my OCD once again triggered that these arent perfectly overlapped. uhh i changed that i guess after you're like the 2nd one to get ocd from my map
01:59:449 (5,6,1) - Auto stacking makes this a little difficult to see for an insane diff. ture, fixed
Again, nothing wrong. I cant even find personal opinions.

So, this isnt just me being lazy but I honestly cant find anything in the lower diffs. They seem perfectly fine to me, and anything I pointed out for the higher ones doesnt even matter that much. Set is perfectly rankable.

Also if anyone wants to complain about the spread, they're stupid. =w=

thanks!

Noffy

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Noffy 2016-12-20T16:24:04+00:00

Nuolong wrote:
star! i believe in you! do it!!

you probably believe in me more than I do but thank you so much ;w;;;;

Bursthammy

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Bursthammy 2017-01-17T07:21:50+00:00

ples rank i believe in cute nofy ;wwwwwwww;

Okoayu

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Okoayu 2017-01-31T20:39:56+00:00

now i threw a star at it too so now rank it thanks

Noffy

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Noffy 2017-01-31T20:45:50+00:00

Okorin wrote:
now i threw a star at it too so now rank it thanks

I'll try I swear
122 sp good lord have mercy

edit: who shot the 123rd star what the heck who

update: added a hitsound, changed some hitsounding on my difficulties (specifically easy because the constant drumclapdrumclapdrumclapdrumclapdrumclapdrumclapdrumclapdrumclapdrumclapdrumclapdrumclapdrumclapdrumclapdrumclapdrumclapdrumclap was bothering the hell out of me), fixed some randomly unsnapped objects, oko please don't hurt me,

edit: 2/6/17

I'm just gonna keep editing this post for now hahaha
update: added skin elements for the slider set after reconsidering my morals after something okorin said. Everything is now even MORE yellow.

edit: 2/11/17

Okorin wrote:
skinning is way more broken than we previously assumed

forced default skin to prevent the scorebar and spinner breaking in certain ~~almost all~~ cases with user skins, and added a cursor because the default cursor is ugly and not yellow.
Now everything should work in every case ever, hooray!

Last edited by Noffy 2017-02-11T23:45:56+00:00, edited 4 times in total.

Pachiru

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Pachiru 2017-02-04T10:30:29+00:00

Free kudøz

neonat

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neonat 2017-02-13T17:26:49+00:00

Easy

00:58:078 (1,2,3) - all circles? Differentiate it from 00:55:335 (1,2)
02:10:764 (3) - it can look better?

Normal

00:29:278 (3,1) - why the sudden drum finishes?
00:55:335 (1) - hitsounds to go with the cymbals in the song?
01:06:992 (2) - isn't this repeat slider in an odd position? Especially with it ending on a pretty strong beat
01:36:992 - something to add here? Given how the start of this section had 1/2 beats but then they stopped, and then even when the beat starts picking up here with the 1/2 in the music it's still in 1/1s. Think 01:47:962 (2)

Advanced

Positioning seems a bit awkward, especially those 1/2s, the angles seem rigid. Though some keep up with pattern, there are those that either move in a rigid manner or the pattern seems imbalanced; 00:12:820 (1,2,3,4) - 00:18:306 (1,2,3,4)
00:30:649 (1,2,3) - 100% sure the claps are where they are supposed to be? It differs from 00:52:592 (1,2,3) - as well
01:00:135 (3) - highest point in the phrase of 00:58:078 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3) - but it's: lowest object on the map, 1/1 slider, kinda underwhelming. As such, consider 01:44:020 (3) - as well

Hard

00:29:106 (1,2,3,4) - This pattern could be neater
00:30:649 (1,2,3,4) - similar music to 00:52:592 (1,2,3) - but different hitsounds again?
01:07:335 (5,4) - they don't stack anyway lol
01:44:020 (3) - I have the same opinion for this as in Advanced
01:45:906 (1,2,3) - hold with the vocals? Having 1/2 circles seem overkill
01:57:049 (1,2,3,4,5) - the circles 01:57:049 (1,2,3) go in a direction and pattern but then 01:57:392 (3,4,5) doesn't connect well with the previous pattern

Beginner still lacks really...

If you want to discuss about it find me some time during the weekend if I'm around

Noffy

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Noffy 2017-02-13T21:56:31+00:00

neonat wrote:
!! hai

Easy

00:58:078 (1,2,3) - all circles? Differentiate it from 00:55:335 (1,2) Changed, as that makes a lot of sense, and makes some nice patterning, though I'm not 100% confident in it since that makes this the most circle heavy part of easy besides the very end 02:08:021 (2,3,1,2) - , even though it also balances out with other difficulties since these sections are some of the hardest in them\\,.,.
02:10:764 (3) - it can look better? This is currently nearly exactly a fibonacci curve which I think looks pretty neat so unless you mean making it 1:1 perfect fibonacci I'm not sure what you mean. This is also similar to the spirals on normal/advanced and the very-vaguely suggested one on hard, so I'd be against removing the spiral on easy entirely...

Normal

00:29:278 (3,1) - why the sudden drum finishes? your guess is as good as mine removed
00:55:335 (1) - hitsounds to go with the cymbals in the song? fixed that !><
01:06:992 (2) - isn't this repeat slider in an odd position? Especially with it ending on a pretty strong beat It was meant to go with the sorosoro but I see what you mean, fixed this and 01:50:192 - to be similar to like 01:11:792 (1,2,3,4,5) -
01:36:992 - something to add here? Given how the start of this section had 1/2 beats but then they stopped, and then even when the beat starts picking up here with the 1/2 in the music it's still in 1/1s. Think 01:47:962 (2) Added a 1/2 / changed positions a bit for it to look nice

Advanced

Positioning seems a bit awkward, especially those 1/2s, the angles seem rigid. Though some keep up with pattern, there are those that either move in a rigid manner or the pattern seems imbalanced; 00:12:820 (1,2,3,4) - 00:18:306 (1,2,3,4) Unsure to what extent you're referring to this in the map, as there are quite a few rigid patterns, that I'm aware of, but they're all intentional, done as part of what sets this difficulty apart, and I'm not sure what is/isn't being seen as a problem here. Especially with the 1/2s in the section at 00:11:449 - which was done this way to carry the same idea as the triangles in hard did. ><! 00:12:820 (1,2,3,4) - changed this so it's more balanced on its axis , and closed the angle for 00:18:306 (1,2,3,4) - some though.
00:30:649 (1,2,3) - 100% sure the claps are where they are supposed to be? It differs from 00:52:592 (1,2,3) - as well added missing claps at 00:31:506 - , 00:52:763 - , 00:53:449 -
01:00:135 (3) - highest point in the phrase of 00:58:078 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3) - but it's: lowest object on the map, 1/1 slider, kinda underwhelming. As such, consider 01:44:020 (3) - as well That's exactly why I had it as a 1/1 slider, as how I see it it's going like, 1,2, 1,2, 1,2, OOOONEEE, like it's building up tension before that final held-ish release, and that having it as two 1/2 sliders or some combination of circles and 1/2 slider similar to the rest took away from that distinction.

Hard

00:29:106 (1,2,3,4) - This pattern could be neater I'm not sure exactly of what you mean by neater, if that's referring to the pattern's concept overall or how it's done, so for now I fixed it so that the angles for 00:29:106 (1,4) - match and that the spacing between 00:29:106 (1,2) - and 00:29:449 (2,4) - match.
00:30:649 (1,2,3,4) - similar music to 00:52:592 (1,2,3) - but different hitsounds again? added missing drum clap at 00:52:763 -
01:07:335 (5,4) - they don't stack anyway lol wh a t th e heck (fixed)
01:44:020 (3) - I have the same opinion for this as in Advanced same response
01:45:906 (1,2,3) - hold with the vocals? Having 1/2 circles seem overkill I'm a bit unsure about this as it means breaking the symmetry a bit, but overall it fits better so.. changed~
01:57:049 (1,2,3,4,5) - the circles 01:57:049 (1,2,3) go in a direction and pattern but then 01:57:392 (3,4,5) doesn't connect well with the previous pattern I've switched 3 and 4, as even though it looks the same it plays more smoothly while still retaining the sharp movement to four.gif

Beginner still lacks really... :<!

If you want to discuss about it find me some time during the weekend if I'm around Ok will do! :> Thank you a lot for looking at it again >o<!

+added a comboburst because i forgot pippi is a thing in the default skin and she wasn't yellow enough and stood out like an ugly pink sore thumb

Yuii-

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Yuii- 2017-02-20T09:11:54+00:00

2 years later... worth the wait?

beginner

i have said this many times, but beginner difficulties should be used when the easy difficulties are on the edge of being called "normal" difficulties. you'll mostly see 'beginner' difficulties on high bpm maps because they need to handle more rhythm simplification than easies. in this case, yellow trick has a very, very simple easy difficulty, so having a difficulty filled with 4/1 slider patterns isn't precissely correct to have in the ranking section

easy

this difficulty is actually very well done, i like it a lot. although i am not really liking the spacing it has... high sv combined with low spacing is very tedious to play: you have to move 'relatively fast' during sliders but then slow down to hit the next objects. while you can still argue that they create a more 'comfortable' flow for newbies as it allows them to properly positionate their cursors in order to hit the next object. issues comes into play when there is so much lost momentum on these patterns that it just feels uncomfortable to play them.
let me just point out some things anyway!

00:48:478 (3) - i absolutely know how much you like these sliders, but it just stands out with the rest too much. if you are going to do sliders with such a shape, you should be using them more regularly; and it doesn't seem like it's the case

01:15:907 (2,3) - any reason for these to be splitted into two different objects while 00:32:021 (3) - 02:10:764 (3) - which have (or should be taken as such) a similar connotation are only one single slider?
02:10:764 (3) - also, don't overlap the slider with itself on low difficulties

normal

i believe the map could have benefited from a more cleaned structure let's say. wouldn't really say there's a global problem with the difficulty as a whole, but there are some instances where it visually looks like sliders don't flow properly from each other. patterns such as 00:26:535 (3,4,1) - would be more visually appealing if http://i.imgur.com/8OFpLKs.jpg they were done similarly to that. this also happens a lot with the repeaters, like 00:31:335 (2,3) - where the repeater is looking at a complete different direction from the following flow; that creates a different flow from what the (newbie) players are supposed to follow, visually speaking. for instance, arranging (3) and moving it a little bit above would look more pleasant http://i.imgur.com/JZ8YPUa.jpg

00:03:220 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - there seems to be a little problem with the spacing here. only 0.1x, barely noticeable... still would be nice to fix this!
00:11:449 (1) - this is a p huge inconsistency if you ask me, since it's holding the same rhythm as 00:14:192 (1,2) - 00:16:935 (1,2) - 00:19:678 (1,2) - yet it's mapped differently? if anything, 00:16:935 (1,2) - should've been a 1/1 slider + circle too!
00:59:449 (3,4) - for the sake of consistency, these shapes should be different, refer to 00:01:849 (3,4) - for example
01:28:935 (2,3) - 01:30:306 (4,1) - as i mentioned at the very beginning, these seem problematic because the repeat is aiming towards a very different direction from where the next object was placed.
01:37:849 (4) - care with the full whistle

01:56:706 (3,4) - rhythm is pretty weird here, as you have been following the vocals throughout the whole difficulty, it'd be actually better if you'd stick to them! so what if you 01:56:363 (2,3) - ctrl+g these?
02:07:678 (3,5) - would be appreciated if these wouldn't overlap!
02:10:763 (3) - same as on easy

advanced

i think you forgot to +1 on the hp... maybe?

00:29:278 (1,2,3,4) - could have a more newbie-friendly approach, to be honest. have you tried http://i.imgur.com/6Z7HNhM.jpg for example? now that i think about it, the rhythm i suggested would be kinda inconsistent with the rest of the map (refer to 00:51:563 (2,3) - for example), yet i would love to see something more visually flowy while keeping a similar idea behind the original pattern. do you think you can give it a try?
01:11:106 (3,4) - minor, but 01:10:420 (1,2) - should be the same when it comes to shape, just compare it with your other difficulties
01:35:106 (1) - any reason for this slider to be different from the rest? variation? problem comes when you are not doing it anywhere else, so it feels inconsistent rather than different, sadly
01:55:678 (1,2) - symmetry here would be nice!

hard

great! a different approach to a hard difficulty, liking it~

00:33:392 (1) - can you avoid the overlap with the red nodes?
01:16:248 (2,3) - only stack in the whole map ouch
01:46:078 - these is no way this isn't getting a clickable object

01:57:392 (3,4,5) - this is a very, very harsh movement to do after 01:57:049 (1,2,3) - ... although you could try something slightly different, like http://i.imgur.com/PZBpMgu.jpg for example!

[]

i still need to mod oko's difficulties, but that will probably take a while because i always like to discuss things with oko

please, do call me back after you've replied to this mod!

Noffy

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Noffy 2017-02-20T22:28:55+00:00

~~placeholder for reply because it's 90% written but I've been staring at normal all day and now gotta go to class >_<!~~
edit: Done! still gonna keep it in a box tho cuz i accidentally wrote a paragraph

box

Yuii- wrote:
2 years later... worth the wait? ofc!

beginner

i have said this many times, but beginner difficulties should be used when the easy difficulties are on the edge of being called "normal" difficulties. you'll mostly see 'beginner' difficulties on high bpm maps because they need to handle more rhythm simplification than easies. in this case, yellow trick has a very, very simple easy difficulty, so having a difficulty filled with 4/1 slider patterns isn't precisely correct to have in the ranking section As I've said time and time again, I strongly believe in having a beginner difficulty for those who find even easy a bit too hard. Quite a few such people exist! I've studied them. Like actually studied them, surveyed them, and made a beginner difficulty that is absent as much as possible of what different people may have found difficult or frustrating, while still providing a way for them to get used to osu!'s gameplay. Honestly, I'm not getting rid of it. Rather, I am incredibly frustrated that the majority of those that have told me to get rid of it is because it's unnecessary, rather than offering quality concerns to fix and make it a better difficulty, or better fit with the map's spread. Cause when concerns like that are offered, I have tried to address them as best I can. While it may be seen as unnecessary for how rarely it is useful, I think that having the presence of more difficulties aimed at the newest-of-the-newest players would not do harm to the ranked section overall. I feel that overall there are far too few as it is (though this number of beginner difficulties has definitely improved in the past few years since this set was first published, which I am overjoyed at), and that the world can benefit from at least one more such easyeasyeasy difficulty. It was continually very distressing in the past to try to show others osu but never be able to provide them with a map that they could be able to play decently after the tutorial. So I made a beginner difficulty. It's a small drop in the osu! mapset pond, but it's .. it's something even I could do for what I perceive to be a problem.

easy

this difficulty is actually very well done, i like it a lot. although i am not really liking the spacing it has... high sv combined with low spacing is very tedious to play: you have to move 'relatively fast' during sliders but then slow down to hit the next objects. while you can still argue that they create a more 'comfortable' flow for newbies as it allows them to properly positionate their cursors in order to hit the next object. issues comes into play when there is so much lost momentum on these patterns that it just feels uncomfortable to play them. I had it done this way after observing that a lot of newbies and I mean a lot tend to try to finish sliders too fast, sliderbreaking in the process. So this was done to account for that tendency.
let me just point out some things anyway! okay!

00:48:478 (3) - i absolutely know how much you like these sliders, but it just stands out with the rest too much. if you are going to do sliders with such a shape, you should be using them more regularly; and it doesn't seem like it's the case alright, i'll change it >< (annd the one on hard..)
01:15:907 (2,3) - any reason for these to be splitted into two different objects while 00:32:021 (3) - 02:10:764 (3) - which have (or should be taken as such) a similar connotation are only one single slider? between 01:15:907 (2,3) - and 02:10:764 (3) - these are different because at the end of the final kiai, the vocal drags on a bit longer, which is not the case in the first kiai.
02:10:764 (3) - also, don't overlap the slider with itself on low difficulties while it does overlap itself, I feel its shape is pretty clear and does not do so in a way that makes its path difficult to follow, even for a beginner, and that forcing it to not overlap itself would not be really possible to do while retaining the intended spiral shape.

normal

i believe the map could have benefited from a more cleaned structure let's say. wouldn't really say there's a global problem with the difficulty as a whole, but there are some instances where it visually looks like sliders don't flow properly from each other. patterns such as 00:26:535 (3,4,1) - would be more visually appealing if http://i.imgur.com/8OFpLKs.jpg they were done similarly to that. this also happens a lot with the repeaters, like 00:31:335 (2,3) - where the repeater is looking at a complete different direction from the following flow; that creates a different flow from what the (newbie) players are supposed to follow, visually speaking. for instance, arranging (3) and moving it a little bit above would look more pleasant http://i.imgur.com/JZ8YPUa.jpg changed a lot of this in a different way! Basically remapped a lot for the part at 11 to 40seconds!

00:03:220 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - there seems to be a little problem with the spacing here. only 0.1x, barely noticeable... still would be nice to fix this! a spacing inconsistency!? fixed
00:11:449 (1) - this is a p huge inconsistency if you ask me, since it's holding the same rhythm as 00:14:192 (1,2) - 00:16:935 (1,2) - 00:19:678 (1,2) - yet it's mapped differently? if anything, 00:16:935 (1,2) - should've been a 1/1 slider + circle too!
00:59:449 (3,4) - for the sake of consistency, these shapes should be different, refer to 00:01:849 (3,4) - for example > the context of the patterns are totally different. 00:58:078 (1,2,3,4) - are all curved because the combos before and after it are all straight lines, straight sliders. Then 01:41:963 (1,2,3,4) - is straight and curved because the combos before and after are straight and curved. It's done this way partly as balancing the linear aspects of this map with the smooth curviness.
01:28:935 (2,3) - 01:30:306 (4,1) - as i mentioned at the very beginning, these seem problematic because the repeat is aiming towards a very different direction from where the next object was placed. However, I kept this as is as this was actually intentional to divide between the two phrases in the singing by not having the two halves of the pattern fully connected/playing into each other.
01:37:849 (4) - care with the full whistle As I explained in PM, I had slider whistles here and in other places on most of my difficulties to go with the whiiish leading into every finish, but as there are only sliders on these sections 50% of the time, removed all of them.
01:56:706 (3,4) - rhythm is pretty weird here, as you have been following the vocals throughout the whole difficulty, it'd be actually better if you'd stick to them! so what if you 01:56:363 (2,3) - ctrl+g these? Ah, shoot. I missed this one. Fixed to be more like the other occurences of patterns involving 1/1 reverses during the kiais.
02:07:678 (3,5) - would be appreciated if these wouldn't overlap! oki, changed sliightly
02:10:763 (3) - same as on easy same

advanced

i think you forgot to +1 on the hp... maybe? maybe... /w\

00:29:278 (1,2,3,4) - could have a more newbie-friendly approach, to be honest. have you tried http://i.imgur.com/6Z7HNhM.jpg for example? now that i think about it, the rhythm i suggested would be kinda inconsistent with the rest of the map (refer to 00:51:563 (2,3) - for example), yet i would love to see something more visually flowy while keeping a similar idea behind the original pattern. do you think you can give it a try? -though I don't think an advanced difficulty should be too concerned about newbie friendliness (there was already easy and normal, after all), neonat referred to this as well when I managed to get to ask him further about what he said in his mod a few posts above. Changed this pattern accordingly, I think.
01:11:106 (3,4) - minor, but 01:10:420 (1,2) - should be the same when it comes to shape, just compare it with your other difficulties there's a logic here, I swear! so the first kiai is straight+curve, and the second+third kiai are curve for the second, straight for the third. This is different from other difficulties because while it was originally a similar overarching pattern in hard, it was changed as in hard I couldn't find a way to make the straight parts look very good. However, it is still an idea that I wanted to keep someplace in the set.
01:35:106 (1) - any reason for this slider to be different from the rest? variation? problem comes when you are not doing it anywhere else, so it feels inconsistent rather than different, sadly it is like this in advanced and hard as the held note here is odd, a bit longer than most, and I felt stands out quite a bit in the song. This is most obvious when directly comparing it to 01:29:620 (1,2,3) - , where the first syllables are in fact the same- but the ro in kii-ro is at 01:29:963 - whereas in 01:35:106 (1,2) - the syllable after kii is not until 01:35:792 - . I hope this comparison clearly describes the held sound at this point.
01:55:678 (1,2) - symmetry here would be nice! symmetry'd!

hard

great! a different approach to a hard difficulty, liking it~ !

00:33:392 (1) - can you avoid the overlap with the red nodes? I can but I think that'd remove from how it's supposed to look, which is like a loop except without the.. actual.. loop, and that opening it up would be meh.
01:16:248 (2,3) - only stack in the whole map ouch there's actually also 00:09:049 (2,3,4,5) - but yeah i'll change this part a bit!
01:46:078 - these is no way this isn't getting a clickable object I'll change it back ):
01:57:392 (3,4,5) - this is a very, very harsh movement to do after 01:57:049 (1,2,3) - ... although you could try something slightly different, like http://i.imgur.com/PZBpMgu.jpg for example! Changed this in a different way than suggested~

[]

i still need to mod oko's difficulties, but that will probably take a while because i always like to discuss things with oko
please, do call me back after you've replied to this mod!thank you bunches yuii >w<!

the color of yellow is stained in my eyes @_@

Asaiga

850 posts

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Asaiga 2017-02-25T10:52:25+00:00

Hello, I don't know if you need extra help but I'm here anyway teehee

[Easy]
I think rhythm is fine, there is something probably not worth pointing out but sorry I'm a jerk

01:09:050 (1) - 01:52:935 (1) - 02:03:907 (1) - These three represent the similar sound in the music, but only the first one looks special and the only slider to have that shape, I think you can just reshape the first one to a normal curve slider to match the consistency.

[Normal]
00:56:020 (3,1) - I think stack is very slightly off here
01:01:506 (3,1) - Is this intentional? Otherwise I would like to see it stacked normally like the previous one to keep the symmetry
01:28:249 (1,2) - compare it to this 01:29:620 (3,4) - , (1,2) has slight off blanket

[Hard]
00:49:163 (4) - Can this repeat slider be straight? To keep the consistency. It's not really a good variation if only one noticable slider stands out
01:05:278 (2) - This slider can be straight too. So you have these 01:03:563 (1,2) - as curve sliders, these 2 01:04:935 (1,2) - can be straight for variation and it will look more consistent on this measure 01:04:935 - as well. In case it ruins your flow or this whole part somehow, just don't apply

01:28:249 (1,2,3,1,2,1) - So you have these 2 first measures the same rhythm, then you change rhythm here 01:30:992 (1,2,3) - then change it back again 01:32:363 (1,2,3) - to what you previously have. Well, I don't think it's wrong. Players would expect rhythm changes here 01:32:363 (1,2,3) - but not here 01:32:363 (1,2,3) - again after one measure change. *not very good with explaining but I hope you get what I mean xd*
>> Rhythm you have atm is AABA, I think it's better make it AABB

[oko's another]
00:06:649 (3,1,2) - Nice! looks triggering but no problem lol

[oko's extra]
00:03:906 (3,4,1) - wow such triggering trap.
00:19:849 (2,10) - Do you think you can stack these, I feel like 00:21:735 (9,10) - the angle of these will be improved, somewhat

Nothing to say on oko's diffs, beautiful keysounding on this set and looks rankable, good luck!

neonat

Beatmap Nominator

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neonat 2017-02-25T17:10:50+00:00

Noffy wrote:
As I've said time and time again, I strongly believe in having a beginner difficulty for those who find even easy a bit too hard. Quite a few such people exist! I've studied them. Like actually studied them, surveyed them, and made a beginner difficulty that is absent as much as possible of what different people may have found difficult or frustrating, while still providing a way for them to get used to osu!'s gameplay. Honestly, I'm not getting rid of it. Rather, I am incredibly frustrated that the majority of those that have told me to get rid of it is because it's unnecessary, rather than offering quality concerns to fix and make it a better difficulty, or better fit with the map's spread. Cause when concerns like that are offered, I have tried to address them as best I can. While it may be seen as unnecessary for how rarely it is useful, I think that having the presence of more difficulties aimed at the newest-of-the-newest players would not do harm to the ranked section overall. I feel that overall there are far too few as it is (though this number of beginner difficulties has definitely improved in the past few years since this set was first published, which I am overjoyed at), and that the world can benefit from at least one more such easyeasyeasy difficulty. It was continually very distressing in the past to try to show others osu but never be able to provide them with a map that they could be able to play decently after the tutorial. So I made a beginner difficulty. It's a small drop in the osu! mapset pond, but it's .. it's something even I could do for what I perceive to be a problem.

Because fixing it to make it a better difficulty means to make it more difficult than what it is right now to fit into the song, not just the mapset, which you do not want to do. It shouldn't be a metronome practice for people, because that fits to anything that has a fixed bpm. Rather, some hint of the song should be there. It's unnecessarily distant from the song.

Noffy

Visual Architect

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Topic Starter

Noffy 2017-02-25T19:07:22+00:00

neonat wrote:
Because fixing it to make it a better difficulty means to make it more difficult than what it is right now to fit into the song, not just the mapset, which you do not want to do. It shouldn't be a metronome practice for people, because that fits to anything that has a fixed bpm. Rather, some hint of the song should be there. It's unnecessarily distant from the song.

??? I've been trying to work on it since we last spoke ;_;??? Or rather since I remembered that we spoke because I was so tired at the time I near-completely forgot it happened for several days @_@
I don't recall saying I was unwilling to make those changes, just unsure about them? Then again i was really tired maybe i need to re-read the chat log did i accidentally say something that could be interpreted otherwise? ohno This unsureness is why I've changed it multiple times in the past between 4/1 gaps like it is now and 2/1 gaps similar to which you suggested, among other ideas.

As I've said here>

Noffy wrote:
Cause when concerns like that are offered, I have tried to address them as best I can.

Which is why I contacted you for help, as you are one of the few people that had quality concerns that I could not figure out how to work on at the time, rather than mainly listing the concern as the difficulty's existence itself, which isn't something I can fix without removing it .. which doesn't make it better so much as not exist at all.. And if there's a way I can make it a better difficulty, I want to pursue that ! ! !

I've been trying to implement the exact changes you suggested, but I have been having difficulty in ~~re-arranging~~ re-mapping many of the patterns as simply adding more circles would completely break the flow in the way it is currently made

And also to try to figure out how to balance adding more 2/1 gaps while still having the kiai be harder without it getting.. too hard.. (I'm not able to get feedback on it from actual newfolk anymore so any change I make is mildly terrifying to my soul... "is this truly beginner friendly" "will this work" "what if it's too hard" such questions fly around in my head ;;) Or even, debate if doing that is really the best way to make it better reflect the song while being easy-easy. I've been trying and experimenting with various possibilities, but haven't had confidence in any, so I've not. Uploaded any...

edit: wtf i didn't mean to press the post button but i accidentally did and now i accidentally double posted shoot ..

I'll update after staring at beginner for a few more hours...

Asaiga wrote:
Hello, I don't know if you need extra help but I'm here anyway teehee Hi Asaiga o///

[Easy]
I think rhythm is fine, there is something probably not worth pointing out but sorry I'm a jerk You come here of your own volition and randomly mod this set out of the goodness of your soul (as far as I can tell!), and then call yourself a jerk? :thinking:
01:09:050 (1) - 01:52:935 (1) - 02:03:907 (1) - These three represent the similar sound in the music, but only the first one looks special and the only slider to have that shape, I think you can just reshape the first one to a normal curve slider to match the consistency. Ahhh. you're right, changed.

[Normal]
00:56:020 (3,1) - I think stack is very slightly off here oh my, you're right. Fixed.
01:01:506 (3,1) - Is this intentional? Otherwise I would like to see it stacked normally like the previous one to keep the symmetry Well..., no it wasn't intentional. Changed!
01:28:249 (1,2) - compare it to this 01:29:620 (3,4) - , (1,2) has slight off blanket Fixed.. I think?

[Hard]
00:49:163 (4) - Can this repeat slider be straight? To keep the consistency. It's not really a good variation if only one noticable slider stands out 00:49:163 (4) - and 00:27:220 (4) - are both curved to stand out as they are the final reverse sliders in the 4-bar pattern/midpoint of the section.
01:05:278 (2) - This slider can be straight too. So you have these 01:03:563 (1,2) - as curve sliders, these 2 01:04:935 (1,2) - can be straight for variation and it will look more consistent on this measure 01:04:935 - as well. In case it ruins your flow or this whole part somehow, just don't apply No change, as while I get your idea, I think having two straight sliders here would not look very swell, and it goes straight>curve> WAVEEE as a part of the build up into the kiai. Increasing curviness!

01:28:249 (1,2,3,1,2,1) - So you have these 2 first measures the same rhythm, then you change rhythm here 01:30:992 (1,2,3) - then change it back again 01:32:363 (1,2,3) - to what you previously have. Well, I don't think it's wrong. Players would expect rhythm changes here 01:32:363 (1,2,3) - but not here 01:32:363 (1,2,3) - again after one measure change. *not very good with explaining but I hope you get what I mean xd*
>> Rhythm you have atm is AABA, I think it's better make it AABB I've changed this to a BABA pattern instead, in interest of keeping Len and Rin's small sections rhythmically consistent. Thanks!

Nothing to say on oko's diffs, beautiful keysounding on this set and looks rankable, good luck! Thank you!

Last edited by Aurele 2017-02-25T20:56:27+00:00, edited 2 times in total.

Okoayu

Nomination Assessment Team

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Okoayu 2017-02-25T20:57:17+00:00

i think the quality concern with beginner is that it can be taken and copied from any song of this speed to any other song of this speed that has a constant metronome without really changing anything.

buildups or any other musical indication for the song changing pacing are largely ignored for the sake of simplicity, this diff has nothing that makes it unique to this song because it simplifies so much

the only way this is fixable is by not having the diff be this simple, because as is you could take it and throw it at any song that has 4/1 measures at 175 bpm

Noffy

Visual Architect

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Topic Starter

Noffy 2017-02-25T21:07:30+00:00

Okorin wrote:
i think the quality concern with beginner is that it can be taken and copied from any song of this speed to any other song of this speed that has a constant metronome without really changing anything.

buildups or any other musical indication for the song changing pacing are largely ignored for the sake of simplicity, this diff has nothing that makes it unique to this song because it simplifies so much

the only way this is fixable is by not having the diff be this simple, because as is you could take it and throw it at any song that has 4/1 measures at 175 bpm

I understand this, especially after re-reading when I talked to neonat about it before, but understanding how to fix it is a bit of a different issue to me...
I had meant to reflect more of the build up in the sliders and their shapes, and reflect the personality of the song as I see it in those sliders, as well as slight indications in flow, but I guess this has not been effective enough ;_; .
Which is why I've been struggling with trying to figure out how to approach it, and have not updated it for several days.
There was a really specific sound in the song that it was actually made to follow 90% of the time, but seeing as how the difficulty fits the song is seen as a problem, I guess it isn't obvious/audible enough.

edit: I give up. I'm the only one that cares about my beginner diff, my map, my difficulty, I made it and remade it, and I always found being told to get rid of an entire difficulty something of a different level of changing a difficulty, or removing patterns in order to replace them with something better. Because it's not making it better. It's just leaving a void where it used to be.

Its very concept is flawed or something. I could write an essay about that though. Making it, studying it, why it was made, on and on and on, but that wont make it any better, this isn't the song for it, I guess.
The current way it was, i felt, the optimal balance between ease of play and honesty to the song.
But that's not good enough, cause it's not honest to the song. But it can't be any more so without going against its entire reason for existing in the first place.
I am very sorry to the dozen and then some people that I surveyed regularly to make it as beginner friendly as possible.
No matter which way i make it, it'll only be useless. unnecessary. useless.

I'll try again in the future.

Pachiru

Global Moderator

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Pachiru 2017-03-15T16:57:27+00:00

When ranked? 8(

Noffy

Visual Architect

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Topic Starter

Noffy 2017-03-27T21:17:37+00:00

Pachiru wrote:
When ranked? 8(

When it is ready and judged as such c:

;;

01:57:049 (1,2,3,4,5) - I updated to change this back to the way it was previously, as while I understand that the movement is a bit harsher than usual, it follows the general scheme of circles go one way-> slider changes the direction a bit. The change I had made before, while a nice curve, felt a bit inconsistent with this and didn't sit well with me after giving it time and review.

oko please don't hurt me

>edit march 30th: updated because I forgot to remove some skin elements that are unnecessary with the forced default skin.

riffy

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riffy 2017-03-31T16:09:32+00:00

quoting the pm i actually recieved

Noffy wrote:
1.YELLOW is best
2.nice skin
3.cute keysounds
4.save me
5.i'm already running out of things but i need to get this list to 14 so this is a filler item
6.the color yellow took over my life
7.modded to hell and back (for better or worse)
8.help i actually can't say something positive about the map itself
9.YELLOW is best color
10.symmetry sometimes? how does one even describe a map.
11.sometimes blankets, i don't know. bouncy? cute. cute map.
12.2.5 years old set? though that doesn't matter but ive run out of descriptive terms for the set beyond ~YELLOW~.
13.cute skin
14.nice key sounds

[General]

Since the whole song is kinda tellow, why not make sliders yellow as well? You can do that by changing the Coliurs part in your osu files
Just like this
```
[Colours]
Combo1 : 222,178,222
Combo2 : 0,155,170
Combo3 : 64,208,13
Combo4 : 240,170,12
SliderBorder : 255,255,255
SliderTrackOverride : 200,200,17
```
00:33:392 (1) - All difficulties except Easy - Why do you map a single slider from the whole break part? IWouldn't it make more sense to keep the whole break part unmapped on its entirety or have the part mapped completely? Placing just one slider and giving up the part feels sort of confusing to me.
Note: if you do have a reason to keep the sliders there, add them to the second break as well, so that the rhythm is consistent.

[Easy]

00:08:707 (1) - since the drums sort of speed up and consistently play on every white tick, why not show it with a fancy slider? It's still pretty much the same slider as you have except it stresses the sliderticks more. A picture
01:54:307 (2) - this one gets overlapped with the score-metre thing. Let's move this pattern around a little? this isn't too bad, is it

It's all good.

[Normal]

00:00:478 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6) - 00:11:449 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3) - compare these two parts. The first one has more circles and less 1/1 sliders with repeats, therefore theobject density is higher. Shouldn't it be the other way round since the second part is supposed to follow a more intense part of the song? You could try replacing 00:12:820 (3) - with circles or using more sliders in the intro part, I think.
00:25:163 (1,2,3) - flow isn't really kept here, (3) implies circular flow which is broken because of the movement angle between (1) and (2). Why not try something like this?
00:44:363 (1,3) - these two follow similar sounding vocals, so I would use similar looking sliders. I like how those red points on (1)s work with the vocals, would be cool to use them more in this part.
Note: same 00:49:849 (1,3) - here
00:57:049 (5,6) - since you don't use overlaps often, these here feel sort of unwanted. What do you think about selecting them and using Ctrl+H? It would require some changes, but the outcome would be a neat symmetrical pattern. looks pretty cool, if you ask me
Note: 01:02:534 (5,6) - same here.
01:15:906 (3) - minor, the curve isn't following anything and stands out from the rest of the patterns. Try placing the red point a little further, so the slider looks sort of similar to 01:11:792 (1) - . example
Note: basically, you match the curve with the beat on the red tick.

It's just the visiuals that could be a bit better. Otherwise it's fine.

[Advanced]

00:12:820 (1,2,3,4) - and 00:18:306 (1,2,3,4) - I was sort of expecting these to be parallel just like 00:15:563 (1,2,3,4) - or it can be the other way round, you can move
00:29:620 (2,3) - probably should be a 1/2 slider for the consistency with the patterns before/after it.
Note: 00:51:563 (2,3) - same.
01:35:106 (1) - feels like two sliders would do a better job there, vocals are sort of repeating themselves. What do you think of this?

That was good!

[Hard]

01:06:649 (3,4,5) - this here does not seem to fit with the linear flow you've used before. Wouldn't something more linear fit better with your style?
Note: 01:50:535 (3,4,5) - same.
01:35:106 (1) - feels like two sliders would do a better job there, vocals are sort of repeating themselves. basically, just like I suggested on Advanced.

A couple of things seemed to be out of your style, vould use just a bit more polishing. It's fine otherwise.

I'll stop for now. Don't kudosu untill I finish the mod.

Noffy

Visual Architect

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Topic Starter

Noffy 2017-04-01T08:50:23+00:00

Bakari wrote:
quoting the clickbait pm i actually recieved

Noffy wrote:
1.YELLOW is best
2.nice skin
3.cute keysounds
4.save me
5.i'm already running out of things but i need to get this list to 14 so this is a filler item
6.the color yellow took over my life
7.modded to hell and back (for better or worse)
8.help i actually can't say something positive about the map itself
9.YELLOW is best color
10.symmetry sometimes? how does one even describe a map.
11.sometimes blankets, i don't know. bouncy? cute. cute map.
12.2.5 years old set? though that doesn't matter but ive run out of descriptive terms for the set beyond ~YELLOW~.
13.cute skin
14.nice key sounds
[General]
Since the whole song is kinda tellow, why not make sliders yellow as well? You can do that by changing the Coliurs part in your osu files I'd actually considered this before, but decided against it as even I have a point where I have to say.. too yellow (mostly because i'm allergic to colored sliderbodies, they make all the sliders much too much the same)
Just like this
[Colours]
Combo1 : 222,178,222
Combo2 : 0,155,170
Combo3 : 64,208,13
Combo4 : 240,170,12
SliderBorder : 255,255,255
SliderTrackOverride : 200,200,17
00:33:392 (1) - All difficulties except Easy - Why do you map a single slider from the whole break part? IWouldn't it make more sense to keep the whole break part unmapped on its entirety or have the part mapped completely? Placing just one slider and giving up the part feels sort of confusing to me.
Note: if you do have a reason to keep the sliders there, add them to the second break as well, so that the rhythm is consistent. This is because of the held vocal that is present at this time, which is not the not present in the section following the end of the kiai. Though I can't for the life of me seem to recall why easy was different, so I changed that to make it consistent with the other difficulties.
[Easy]
00:08:707 (1) - since the drums sort of speed up and consistently play on every white tick, why not show it with a fancy slider? It's still pretty much the same slider as you have except it stresses the sliderticks more. A picture While I like that slider, for here, I want to prioritize on keeping the current slider as it's part of the 00:05:964 (1,2,3,4,1) - pattern here where as the tension rises the curve gets tighter/goes more inward, and I think the suggested one would be a bit out of place in the difficulty overall.
01:54:307 (2) - this one gets overlapped with the score-metre thing. Let's move this pattern around a little? this isn't too bad, is it Ah! you're right, I hadn't noticed as I keep my own score-meter at .5x size. Changed!

It's all good. !
[Normal]
00:00:478 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6) - 00:11:449 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3) - compare these two parts. The first one has more circles and less 1/1 sliders with repeats, therefore theobject density is higher. Shouldn't it be the other way round since the second part is supposed to follow a more intense part of the song? You could try replacing 00:12:820 (3) - with circles or using more sliders in the intro part, I think. Revised this by replacing some circles with sliders in the first section. Now the circles don't start until the combo at 00:05:963 - , where the drums kick in.
00:25:163 (1,2,3) - flow isn't really kept here, (3) implies circular flow which is broken because of the movement angle between (1) and (2). Why not try something like this? Adjusted some, though not 100% as suggested in the image. bop
00:44:363 (1,3) - these two follow similar sounding vocals, so I would use similar looking sliders. I like how those red points on (1)s work with the vocals, would be cool to use them more in this part.
Note: same 00:49:849 (1,3) - here Mm, I think using them too often would take away from how cool they look and stand out (in their current good way).
00:57:049 (5,6) - since you don't use overlaps often, these here feel sort of unwanted. What do you think about selecting them and using Ctrl+H? It would require some changes, but the outcome would be a neat symmetrical pattern. looks pretty cool, if you ask me
Note: 01:02:534 (5,6) - same here. Oh man, this is a seriously cool pattern. I'm not gonna use it here since 00:55:335 this section is meant to be symmetrical over the x axis and 01:39:220 - on the y but I'm gonna definitely ~~steal~~ use this in the future, oh man.
01:15:906 (3) - minor, the curve isn't following anything and stands out from the rest of the patterns. Try placing the red point a little further, so the slider looks sort of similar to 01:11:792 (1) - . example Adjusted to be more like 01:11:792 (1) -
Note: basically, you match the curve with the beat on the red tick. While I adjusted it as mentioned above, I didn't make it match to the red tick exactly since the goal here is to put more emphasis on the curved section of the slider rather than it evenly be divided between straight/curved.

It's just the visiuals that could be a bit better. Otherwise it's fine. Okay I'll update for now and continue to try to work on this as much as I can o:!
[Advanced]
00:12:820 (1,2,3,4) - and 00:18:306 (1,2,3,4) - I was sort of expecting these to be parallel just like 00:15:563 (1,2,3,4) - or it can be the other way round, you can move Changed 00:15:563 (1,2,3,4) - to be consistent with the other two, and adjusted the patterns before/after a bit for it.
00:29:620 (2,3) - probably should be a 1/2 slider for the consistency with the patterns before/after it. Changed to a 1/2 slider and adjusted the pattern a bit for that.
Note: 00:51:563 (2,3) - same. Saame ^
01:35:106 (1) - feels like two sliders would do a better job there, vocals are sort of repeating themselves. What do you think of this? That fits really well, I was tempted. But I really-really-really wish to emphasize the held syllable, ki, since it's repeated 3x in this section with this final time being longer than the others. As well as one of the background sounds.. that I have no idea how to describe.. - But instead I've now changed the positioning so that this slider now won't be so visually out of place.

That was good! A miracle!
[Hard]
01:06:649 (3,4,5) - this here does not seem to fit with the linear flow you've used before. Wouldn't something more linear fit better with your style?
Note: 01:50:535 (3,4,5) - same. I can't really agree that it seems a bit out of the style? It's introducing a harsher type of movement that's then present in some form for the rest of the kiai throughout the map, and the way it plays is meant to give the player some-split second to adjust to the velocity change by having a more cramped movement than throwing them straight (seee what i did here because linear is more straight ha .. hah..,.ha) into the higher speed.
01:35:106 (1) - feels like two sliders would do a better job there, vocals are sort of repeating themselves. basically, just like I suggested on Advanced. Same response as advanced except this time I kept the slider shape the same.

A couple of things seemed to be out of your style, vould use just a bit more polishing. It's fine otherwise. ok i'll mix 4 parts olive oil with 1 part white vinegar and pour it into a spray bottle. Google says this works for polishing wood. So maybe it'll work for a map too. Or so I hope.
I'll stop for now. Don't kudosu untill I finish the mod. ~~but is it safe to reply i'm not sure oh no I 'LL TAKE THIS RISK~~ oh wait you replied to my pm so now I can load this half finished draft and reply safely, with security from your confirmation. Huzzah!

I am massively amused by how you appear to have gotten sick of the yellow background partway through and replaced it with your own, haha. Here, I removed some yellow.

Thank you bunches for modding, Bakari! Though I'm not entirely sure about the ending comments on normal and hard whether they just apply to the mentioned points or further beyond..

Okoayu

Nomination Assessment Team

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Okoayu 2017-04-01T13:59:13+00:00

oh the nightmare fuel bg is back ok

Noffy

Visual Architect

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Topic Starter

Noffy 2017-04-01T20:39:39+00:00

Okorin wrote:
oh the nightmare fuel bg is back ok

alas, it is only a recreation from my memory, rather than the original real deal.

BitCritterSpyro

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BitCritterSpyro 2017-04-02T01:33:00+00:00

This needs to be ranked....naow

riffy

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riffy 2017-04-02T06:25:07+00:00

Most of the stuff applies to just a single point, although if you see any similar concepts, you are free to adjust those parts as well.

And yes, I love the background which is less yellow! Though the reason why I had to replace the current one is the number of tiny details and contrasting colours, it was sort of hard to concentrate on the main thing, the map. :p

[oko's Insane]

00:24:478 (4,5,6) - shouldn't (4) be spaced further as well as to stress the beat it follows? It would make more sense with the vocals as well as the background instruments.
Note: 00:26:706 (2,3) - same would go for similar parts
00:50:192 (2,3,1) - they don't really feel connected in any way, let's try to structure them to form a single pattern? an example.
00:33:049 (8,1) - 00:22:078 (7,1) - I have a feeling these two should be spaced in the same manner. They represent similar rhythm and similar idea. What do you think of this?
01:58:249 (6,1) - since the stacks around are 1/4s, this one can be a bit tricky. Consider unstacking?

I feel like it lacks a bit of visual polishing, otherwise it's all good.

[oko's Another]

00:21:735 (8) - I feel like adding a new combo would help readability and work well with the drums. Even though it does break your consistent combo pattern, the song sort of justifies that, so, give it a try!
Note: if you end up liking it, you'll probably want to do the same with similar patterns 00:32:706 (8) -
00:45:563 (1,2) - due to the way it is spaced it can be misread as 1/4 snapping. Place it closer or space further apart to make it more readable?
Note: 01:11:449 (3,4,1,2) - same here
01:11:449 (3,4) - try to lower the spacing here since (4) isn't supported with the vocals?
Note: 02:06:306 (3,4) - same here

That was good, I feel like this is a finished and decent difficulty. Good job!

[oko's Extra]

00:15:478 (9,1) - given that this is only used once in the intro it feels a bit inconsistent and sort of confusing. Probably it'd be better to either introduce more patterns with the same idea (stack 00:12:735 (9,1) - with (8), for instance) or unstack this one.

That was good, I liked the way your kiais are spaced.

I guess that's about it. Not bad at all!

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Best of luck!

Okoayu

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Okoayu 2017-04-03T12:58:39+00:00

Bakari wrote:
Most of the stuff applies to just a single point, although if you see any similar concepts, you are free to adjust those parts as well.

And yes, I love the background which is less yellow! Though the reason why I had to replace the current one is the number of tiny details and contrasting colours, it was sort of hard to concentrate on the main thing, the map. :p

[oko's Insane]
00:24:478 (4,5,6) - shouldn't (4) be spaced further as well as to stress the beat it follows? It would make more sense with the vocals as well as the background instruments. im mapping primarily vocals hence the back forths are used to group them rather than to like space stuff, besides most of the diff is distance snapped anyways
Note: 00:26:706 (2,3) - same would go for similar parts
00:50:192 (2,3,1) - they don't really feel connected in any way, let's try to structure them to form a single pattern? an example. rearranged the pattern
00:33:049 (8,1) - 00:22:078 (7,1) - I have a feeling these two should be spaced in the same manner. They represent similar rhythm and similar idea. What do you think of this? no idea what that changes but i changed it
01:58:249 (6,1) - since the stacks around are 1/4s, this one can be a bit tricky. Consider unstacking? up until this point stacks were only used in kiais when there are no vocals, the player is prepared for these from 01:08:878 (4) - 01:14:363 (6) - already so i don't think repeating the same concept later will cause problems

I feel like it lacks a bit of visual polishing, otherwise it's all good. no idea how to do this because i regard these diffs as some of the cleanest i've ever done lol
[oko's Another]
00:21:735 (8) - I feel like adding a new combo would help readability and work well with the drums. Even though it does break your consistent combo pattern, the song sort of justifies that, so, give it a try! added a bunch of combos
Note: if you end up liking it, you'll probably want to do the same with similar patterns 00:32:706 (8) -
00:45:563 (1,2) - due to the way it is spaced it can be misread as 1/4 snapping. Place it closer or space further apart to make it more readable? increased spacing
Note: 01:11:449 (3,4,1,2) - same here decreased spacing
01:11:449 (3,4) - try to lower the spacing here since (4) isn't supported with the vocals? i mix in the drums doing something different for once into the patterning in these points by spacing them higher
Note: 02:06:306 (3,4) - same here

That was good, I feel like this is a finished and decent difficulty. Good job! tbh to me this just looks really old by now xD
[oko's Extra]
00:15:478 (9,1) - given that this is only used once in the intro it feels a bit inconsistent and sort of confusing. Probably it'd be better to either introduce more patterns with the same idea (stack 00:12:735 (9,1) - with (8), for instance) or unstack this one. 00:59:106 (4,5,1) - tho, and given that i use patterns stacking in one place a bunch in this map i think this works well enough?

That was good, I liked the way your kiais are spaced.
I guess that's about it. Not bad at all!

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Best of luck!

Thanks!

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Noffy

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Noffy 2017-04-03T17:25:46+00:00

Updated the oko diffs!
Changed 00:55:335 this section up in normal a bit, - keeping what Bakari said in mind. c:

Seijiro

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Seijiro 2017-04-25T15:44:50+00:00

General:
- regarding the skin I found a couple of problems:
First is the fact you have set the default skin as preference into song setup link. This causes the default cursor to appear instead of the skin's cursor during gameplay for whoever has this enabled.
Second is the spinner approach circle, which is a real pain to see if you disable skin in one diff and play another diff with dim 100% (disabling it on one diff doesn't fully disable it on every diff and keeps some elements, among which the approach circle. With 100% you have the approach circle disappearing fully since it is also black). Regardless of what it creates, it would be cool to have the spinner approach circle similar to the slider followcircle (with a white line in the middle or even around it, idk)

Using this as reference:
you need a cursor-smoke.png file
the set containing comboburst, section pass and fail have also other elements that you should have (otherwise remove them) (although seeing the wiki I have no clue why they are grouped together). Tbh I'd be prone to leave this set as it is, since it makes sense to some extent to not group it with other stuff. If you still want to make it to be really really sure about it, go ahead~ I'll ask for clarifications in the meantime.

The diffs themselves look fine tbh

Noffy

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Noffy 2017-04-25T16:20:22+00:00

Updated to change the spinner approach circle to be like the slider follow-circle as recommended.
I didn't do that initially because the two colors would have really obvious aliasing when the approach circle is still large, but I failed to take the background dim rendering it partly-invisible into consideration. D'oh!

I set the skin preference to default for 3 reasons:

1.) It is required I have the skin preference set to default due to my using the new styled spinner.
If a user has the old-style, that would end up being preferred by osu instead of the map's skinned spinner.
Which would suck and completely break the all-yellow immersion.

standrad rc wrote:
Usage of the old style spinners is not recommended. It can be only used with Preferred Skin set to Default. Skins using SpinnerBackground will change the color of spinner-background.png and that could negatively change spinner's appearance. This setting doesn't work in .osu file.

2.) Also due to this set of rules which were added to the standard RC>

standard rc wrote:
A custom slider border color must be selected when a beatmap contains skin elements from the hitcircle or slider sets. This is to avoid the default slider border or a player's custom skin's slider border from conflicting with the map's specific color scheme. This is done by adding “SliderBorder: <RGB Value>” under “[Colours]” in a .osu file.
Slider body color cannot be too similar to slider border color. If both of these settings are too similar to each other, then the slider border element loses its point as a visual border for the slider. Slider body color can be selected by adding “SliderTrackOverride: <RGB Value>” under “[Colours]” in a .osu file.
Both slider border and body colors must be manually set or not set. Setting only one may conflict with a user's custom skin choices.

I actually personally disagree with this set of rules because the chances of the user's slidertrackoverride and the map's sliderborder or vice versa matching exactly is really low and even then sliders would be perfectly readable thanks to the shading but alas, I'll still follow it for as long as it exists.
and I absolutely do not want to set a slidertrackoverride / slider body color.
I think having every slider body the same color in a map looks ugly ;_;

3.) A bunch of inconsistencies regarding how osu treats conflicts between user skin healthbars and map skin healthbars.
Setting the preferred skin to default is one of only two ways to make sure that it will work and consistently display the elements it is supposed to.
Like, a lot of inconsistencies.

Okorin can confirm.

By setting a skin preference, it is not required to skin elements in complete sets. This is because osu will automatically fill in the elements from the default skin, and it will not be able to conflict with the users skin. (unless there's a bug i'm not yet aware of where it uses the user's skin anyways for something or somesort)

general rc wrote:
Setting a SkinPreference is also acceptable (e.g. forcing the default skin).

This is the reason some set elements are absent.

While the default cursor being used when that setting is checked is unfortunate, because of these reasons I can't change it :c
Mainly because of the spinner.
I'm very attached to it.
~~It was very difficult to draw/design~~

MrSergio wrote:
The diffs themselves look fine tbh

Nic

Thank you for the doube-check, Sir Sergio!

Seijiro

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Seijiro 2017-04-25T17:21:18+00:00

well... let's see then

Okoayu

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Okoayu 2017-04-25T17:23:13+00:00

skinning ubkrc aka the room where everyone slowly goes insane in

Noffy

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Noffy 2017-04-25T17:27:34+00:00

MrSergio wrote:
well... let's see then

Thank you absolutely very much I think I'm gonna get a cake tonight to celebrate, for reals.
Even if it's not there yet, I'm still gonna get a cake and eat it too.
The time which has stopped is now moving again, the world is rotating at high speeds.
My year has been made 5000%%%%% better thank you Sir Sergio

Okorin wrote:
skinning ubkrc aka the room where everyone slowly goes insane in

implying those in the room had sanity left to begin with

Nao Tomori

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Nao Tomori 2017-04-27T00:36:14+00:00

fuck

placeholder LOL

i cant qualify

[oko's extra]
00:11:449 (1) - how come these are here? i don't hear much a held out sound or whatever. you also do a burst the 2nd time in each pair so it feels kinda weird to me.

00:56:020 (6,6) - seems weird to use 1/1 on the first one and 3/4 on the second one, imo 3/4 on all of them is better cuz that's what you predominantly do in the map

[oko's another]
00:04:078 - is it just me or does this slider tail have a hitsound on it.. and should the other ones also if this is intended

00:25:163 (1,2) - blanket? seems like 00:25:163 (1,1) - was supposed to be stacked

01:11:449 (3,4) - imo should be a slider since it's a repetition of the previous measure except a bit louder.
01:55:335 (3,4) - 02:06:306 (3,4) -

01:42:306 (2,4) - blanket?

[oko's insane]
00:01:163 (3,4,1) - oh god the visual spacing please

02:03:220 (5,6) - blanket cuz i can

02:05:963 (1,2,3) - only time this isn't a copypaste of the previous measure o.o

[hard]
00:25:163 (1) - this isnt a problem but this is legitimately the ugliest wave slider i've ever seen by far
and i've modded ktgster maps

01:45:906 (1) - this is weird cuz you dont map a circle here the other times. maybe skip it?
i'd also make it into a slider if you keep it since there isn't a vocal on 01:46:078 -
[normal]
00:08:706 (1) - why is there a spinner here o.o it isn't really on any distinct sound

01:16:763 - this gap feels kinda bad imo, and having the strong vocal on a slider end. why nnot move the slider to 01:16:592 (2) - and add a circle after 01:15:906 (1) - ?

amazing mod i know thank you thank you

call me back

Okoayu

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Okoayu 2017-04-27T02:30:25+00:00

[extra]
1. because i think undermapping instead of spamming the 1/4 everywhere makes the map more interesting
2. because the song is kinda repetitive so im varying rhythms for the same thing up

[another]
i think i fixed hitsounding shenanigans in all diffs now, they were copied from extra so passive things that are more dense than extra get autohitsounds d

1. done
2. these are circles to highlight that the drums are doing something really loud and more interesting here, applies to all 3 or whatever instances where this happens
3. i made it kinda dumb

[insane]
1. ok
2. hahaha now you get a shape that can't blanket
3. yes, it seems to be that way, is that an issue it still is distance snapped the same way i think i did it because that played better to me

thank

also changed 01:35:106 (1,2) - to be spaced because the thing that it was consistent with was changed

ano

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Noffy

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Noffy 2017-04-27T02:51:23+00:00

d
i know i said literally an hour ago i'd delay replying to work on my school work and i should really be working on my art exam right now because it's open in another tab and it has a two hour time limit but
yellow
(i get two tries on the art exam anyways so it's ok right)

Naotoshi wrote:
fuck shit

placeholder LOL oh my

i cant qualify fuck it took me ~20 days to forget tiers exist

[hard]
00:25:163 (1) - this isnt a problem but this is legitimately the ugliest wave slider i've ever seen by far
and i've modded ktgster maps It's scientifically designed to emhpasize the awkward hold before the awkward syllable at 00:25:420

01:45:906 (1) - this is weird cuz you dont map a circle here the other times. maybe skip it? ya I agree it's a bit weird but unlike the other times it has the really strong syllable there like aaa
i'd also make it into a slider if you keep it since there isn't a vocal on 01:46:078 - I think this change would make the pattern even more different from the others/awkward than currently, and that the current set up is the best way for the least-pattern-disruption
[normal]
00:08:706 (1) - why is there a spinner here o.o it isn't really on any distinct sound Emphasizing epic buildup C:<

01:16:763 - this gap feels kinda bad imo, and having the strong vocal on a slider end. why nnot move the slider to 01:16:592 (2) - and add a circle after 01:15:906 (1) - ? changed as suggested, this is more consistent with 01:59:792 (3,4) - and advanced as well (though this timestamp is less dense because it is right before a brief pause for the next kiai)

amazing mod i know thank you thank you *applause*

call me back

☎️

Nao Tomori

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Nao Tomori 2017-04-27T05:42:21+00:00

Noffy

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Noffy 2017-04-27T06:56:54+00:00

Naotoshi wrote:

OKO hands are a great meme BUT
have you ever considered
the fact that the original OK hand
is

Entirely YELLOW??

edit: shoot i cant believe THIS is the start of page 17 shhhhhhhh

Asaiga

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Asaiga 2017-04-28T13:49:53+00:00

I bet my mentor application has something to do with this set getting icons uwu

Okoayu

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Okoayu 2017-04-28T14:48:36+00:00

but noffy, all the oko hands posted so far feature kagamine rin

even the current one, which is missing

Noffy

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Noffy 2017-04-28T15:00:43+00:00

Asaiga wrote:
I bet my mentor application has something to do with this set getting icons uwu

sounds like correlation not causation uvu

Okorin wrote:
but noffy, all the oko hands posted so far feature kagamine rin

even the current one, which is missing

HOLY COW

I DIDN'T NOTICE THIS WAS RIN
I AM SO ASHAMED

this is true. very, very true. my DEEPEST MISTAKE, sorry okoRIN.
*runs*

@Naotoshi i SHALL .. uh.. uh.. do SOMETHING TO BEG FORGIVENESS for this fatal ERROR
Uh.. oh, I know!

HERE IS an up to date OKO hand as my repentance for my error.

Seijiro

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Seijiro 2017-04-29T08:58:05+00:00

Asaiga wrote:
I bet my mentor application has something to do with this set getting icons uwu

Outstanding contribution :^)
I just hope I didn't forget anything with all these elements in the folder. Please stop using skins in beatmaps, I'm too lazy to check them =w="

Pachiru

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Pachiru 2017-04-29T10:02:47+00:00

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
finaly congratz noffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff

bibilicu

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bibilicu 2017-04-29T11:37:39+00:00

wow i remember when i modded this one 2 years ago and i made a big mess LOL xD gratzzzz!

Shiranai

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Shiranai 2017-04-29T11:50:00+00:00

2 years already? I thought it's gonna take 3 years to ranked :p
Anyway congrats Dorothy, very nostalgic map~

Noffy

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Noffy 2017-04-29T14:55:19+00:00

MrSergio wrote:
I just hope I didn't forget anything with all these elements in the folder. Please stop using skins in beatmaps, I'm too lazy to check them =w="

Next time I use a skin I'll post the spreadsheet of my self-check!

(Thank you VERY MUCH SIR SERGIO!)

Pachiru wrote:
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
finaly congratz noffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff

thank yooouuuu Pachiiiiruuuuuuu!!!

ByBy wrote:
wow i remember when i modded this one 2 years ago and i made a big mess LOL xD gratzzzz!

Ah, the memories :')
Thank you!!

Mako Sakata wrote:
2 years already? I thought it's gonna take 3 years to ranked :p
Anyway congrats Dorothy, very nostalgic map~

Maybe I should've waited until December 2017 to aim for ranking it on the relevant day of the Kagamine's birthday >:P
Thank you!!

Mint

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Mint 2017-04-30T17:14:43+00:00

what time is it?

thank you for the best req, sorry for not doing it in the end
gratz!

Noffy

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Noffy 2017-05-01T04:08:41+00:00

appleeaterx wrote:
what time is it?

thank you for the best req, sorry for not doing it in the end
gratz!

Haha, I'm a bit surprised you still remember that request after so long!!
Thank you xD

Xinying

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Xinying 2017-05-01T14:23:45+00:00

Oh wow, congrats! Well deserved ranked after how much you worked on this set!! Impressive

VINXIS

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VINXIS 2017-05-01T19:28:14+00:00

O wtf

Noffy

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Noffy 2017-05-02T04:06:53+00:00

Xinying wrote:
Oh wow, congrats! Well deserved ranked after how much you worked on this set!! Impressive

Hey, thank you very much!!

VINXIS wrote:
O wtf

The Yellow Pheonix will always rise and rule again.

Aurele

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Aurele 2017-05-04T14:10:53+00:00

ohhh, congrats!

Noffy

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Noffy 2017-05-05T01:45:54+00:00

Gabe wrote:
ohhh, congrats!

Hi Gabe!! And thank you

Ryuusei Aika

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Ryuusei Aika 2017-05-06T13:46:32+00:00

nice job

Noffy

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Noffy 2017-05-07T03:40:08+00:00

Ryuusei Aika wrote:
nice job

Thank you

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