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What kind of criticism is this? You map to the music, not to be gimmicky. This map already has a lot of variety anyway.Maxus wrote:
So yeah.. i will stop here first.. while the map have quite solid structure.. it lacks variety by a lot.. that belly flopper map is really great bcoz the music itself already provided enough different rythm to be used of.. but in this case of this map.. it's short and it's repeating.. you have to come up with something that resemble a better gimmick for player to play.. (truthfully this song still has other rythm to be used for differentiating, you just have to find one and apply it within the pattern)
Firstly, I would appreciate if you stop putting words in my mouth and try to discern my sentences carefully. because i never said anything that this map is bad or "unmappable" in the first place , I even specifically say that the structure is already rigid and solid in my sentence. don't twist someone's words into something entirely differently by assuming something inherently untrue.Litharrale wrote:
What kind of criticism is this? You map to the music, not to be gimmicky. This map already has a lot of variety anyway.
You can't just say a map is bad because "err derr music is inherently unmappable". Especially when it's a song by an artist who maps for rhythm games.
there's 5 kiai part which last for 1:30 with constant repetitive music>Which last for 1:30
might as well use qualification machineAt least it'd be fairer than the B4B system we have now.
tbh the fact that you said FD STD is boring without variation is just prove that you just assuming thing without even try to understand and looking at the map itself.. a complete shame.Litharrale wrote:
You're absolutely correct in the fact that repeating patterns for extended periods are boring. But not only does that only apply for boring patterns (which this map has practically none of), it also only applies if those boring patterns go on for a long time. By your logic, most stream maps in standard are boring. Who wants to play freedom dive? It's just a lot of the same pattern over and over but with things slightly moved around.
The example you gavethere's 5 kiai part which last for 1:30 with constant repetitive music>Which last for 1:30
That's longer than this entire song! The kiai section in TSLove lasts for 21 seconds and has 9 SV changes and no generic boring patterns. You're saying this is enough for someone to get bored and not want to play the map?
No. You're saying that repeating this but ctrl-H'd for the second kiai is unacceptable. Why? SDVX commonly (as in almost all songs) will repeat sections but flipped. Why do they do this? It's because going 1-2-3-4 is not the same as going 4-3-2-1. It presents a different challenge since humans don't learn a skill backwards when they learn it forwards. How well can you speak english in reverse?
So does this mean that the new change is bad? Of course not. It means that what it was before was fine and all you did was nitpick problems.
Having a 1-3-2-4 pattern repeat for a minute then ctrl-H it for the next minute is a problem. What this map was, wasn't a problem.might as well use qualification machineAt least it'd be fairer than the B4B system we have now.
At least it'd be fairer than the B4B system we have now.At least I took my time to care improving maps instead of just blatantly complaining about other things lol.
uwuMaxus wrote:
Can we just stop the salt and hate here and improve the map instead? lol.
*sniff*.. when people give something that is actually good and makes happy, but nowadays??? uhh why this happens lel. just sadMaxus wrote:
Can we just stop the salt and hate here and improve the map instead? lol.
Just because I criticized you doesn't mean I'm salty or hating lmaoMaxus wrote:
Can we just stop the salt and hate here and improve the map instead? lol.
om baim lelSurono wrote:
*EDIT:
lah, kata2 yg gw quote udah dipertamax om baim anjai wkwkw., baru beberapa detik tad pulak wkwkkw (rip telat post)
Ilham wrote:
om baim lel
Litharrale wrote:
Just because I criticized you doesn't mean I'm salty or hating lmaoMaxus wrote:
Can we just stop the salt and hate here and improve the map instead? lol.
smh thin skinned BNs
You can't just say a map is bad because "err derr music is inherently unmappable".Pretty sure twisting someone's words out of their mouth and complaining about the system are just a futile attempt of looking towards unneeded problem with someone lmaooo... oops, better luck next time ~
At least it'd be fairer than the B4B system we have now.
Klo lu dh ol lg, kntak gw ddalam game ya..Ilham wrote:
umm, just to make the things up. at the first time I hear the repeating part, I, myself, really want to make a variant pattern in it, but the density itself doesn't support my wish. and tbh I also wondering to use more LN in the pattern, in the two of kiai. but there were some claps thatshouldmust be reduced 1 note that I don't know whether it's okay to break the consistency or not. and so on Maxus came with his explanation, I also play pporse's salvation. and really, it's a good map with various pattern. so that I want to push this map with current pattern. unless someone came up and "explain" to me another way to improve this map. thanks for all who support this beatmap!
complaining about the system are just a futile attempt of looking towards unneeded problem with someone lmaooo... oops, better luck next time ~Do you have an English translation
lol stop this, you just spamming the trhead. it's better you talking with Maxus in personal message than hereLitharrale wrote:
complaining about the system are just a futile attempt of looking towards unneeded problem with someone lmaooo... oops, better luck next time ~Do you have an English translation
Ilham sama Ibrahim jauh ya ._.Surono wrote:
Ilham wrote:
om baim lel
ASTAGA KURANG AQUA GW!!
#AdaAqua #EfekNyimengGanjaHalalYaituDaunSingkong
20:42 Ilham: baru cek forum o/
20:42 Ilham: irc kah?
20:43 Maxus: iy, mw skrg?
20:43 Ilham: bisa
20:45 *Maxus is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1152537 O2i3 - TSLove [MXLove]]
20:45 *Ilham is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1152537 O2i3 - TSLove [MXLove]]
20:46 Maxus: 00:21:880 - patternny klo diliat dsini, kayak ngrahny kekiri smua.. klo bs ad yg arahny dibikin beda
20:46 Maxus: soalny section lain pda ga gitu
20:47 Ilham: oiya
20:47 Ilham: fixed
20:48 Maxus: 00:55:447 - kurang LN buat vocal kykny dsini
20:49 Ilham: oke
20:50 Maxus: 01:03:718 (63718|3,63799|2,63880|3,63961|2) - cba bkin variasi bru? 3-4-3-4 cnthny
20:51 Maxus: 01:11:988 - 01:12:150 - kurang LN kayak 01:09:718 -
20:52 Ilham: yup kiai 2 more fresh
20:54 Maxus: klo bs cmpurin variasiny di kiai 2 yg pattern sjenis itu
20:54 Maxus: kiai 1 ga pa2 klo patternny sama, msih awal soalny :3
20:55 Maxus: 01:30:150 - https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7528161 saran gw buat pianony bisa dibuat semacam trill, karena pianony jg kyk ngulang tempo melodiny
20:57 Maxus: 01:27:231 - https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7528179 alur streamny bs dibuat kekanan, biar dpt flow counter dr pattern reverse di 01:27:718 -
20:59 Ilham: oke, disini reverse juga 01:24:312 (84312|0) -
20:59 Ilham: tapi di campuran 1/6 sama 1/8 nya rada hard-to-hit
21:00 Ilham: 01:27:609 (87609|2,87718|3,87772|2) -
21:00 Maxus: jarakny msih 1/3 dari transisi ke reverse stream, hrsny msih ga gtu ssh
21:01 Maxus: 01:29:664 - osu.ppy.sh/ss/7528218 ini tadi lnjutan dr yg 01:30:150 - , klo dbkin msih2 4 note stack kiri ma kanan lebih balance
21:02 Maxus: itu ja buat diff ini, overall great job!
21:02 Ilham: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7528218
21:03 Ilham: biar bisa diklik :v
21:03 Maxus: iya kyk gitu wkkw, nice :3
21:05 Ilham: stacknya kubikin 3 aja kayaknya
21:05 Maxus: kyk gmn?
21:06 Ilham: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7528259
21:08 Maxus: oh, ga pa2 kok
21:08 Maxus: [https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7528271 btw, 1 hal yg wa mw mention soal diff gap ama HD dari NM.. rip]
21:09 Ilham: 01:27:555 (87555|1,87609|2) - sama ini ku ctrl H biar ganti tangan?
21:09 Ilham: jarak 1/3 nya
21:09 Ilham: yang tadi
21:12 Maxus: ctrl+h dr SS wa ato dr pattern yg skrg?
21:12 Ilham: waduh stack ternyata
21:12 Ilham: ss mu
21:13 Maxus: di keep skrg gpp imo. ga gtu ssh sbnrny.. tp trserah..
21:14 Ilham: keep pattern sekarang aja deh ya
21:14 Maxus: oh y udh..
21:15 Ilham: mx sudah?
21:15 Ilham: update dulu kah?
21:15 Maxus: brsamaan ma NM ja dlu
21:15 Maxus: NM ad yg mw wa bcarain lg soalny
21:16 *Ilham is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1152538 O2i3 - TSLove [NM]]
21:17 Maxus: 00:00:637 - pattern awal disini pake concept kyk MX , prtamanya msih rda loyo dlu, kyk https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7528356
21:17 Maxus: apply ampe 00:11:015 - biar gapny mulus antar diff
21:19 Ilham: ok applying
21:22 Ilham: 00:10:528 - ini pake note ga?
21:23 Maxus: ga ush yg itu..
21:24 Ilham: oke done
21:26 Maxus: 00:21:718 - bagi wa kiainy undermapped.. jadiny gapny ama HD kjauhan krna kiai ny 1/1 note klo HD nyampur 1/4 stream... kiainy dbkin 1/2 1/2 note kyk https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7528441 biar merata spreadnya
21:28 Ilham: wah ini baru open ref ke HD keliatan kosong juga
21:32 Maxus: mkany itu yg wa mksd.. klo dr 1/1 note tiba2 lgsg 1/4 stream, u bkal dipaksa antara bkin diff baru / ngebuff NM
21:36 Maxus: 00:42:150 - https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7528502 klo ente perhatiin di section ini, red tickny punya suara hithat khusus tersendiri, ente bisa follow itu ja ditambah ma LN buat synth.. itu juga bkin diff spreadny lebih linear
21:37 Ilham: oki
21:38 Ilham: dulu belly flopper juga disuruh simple yang novice sama zan wkwkw
21:40 Maxus: wkwkw, yg simple tp spread dr easy ke normal ke hardny ttp seimbang :3
21:43 Ilham: done
21:46 Maxus: sugesti wa yg di 00:42:150 - udah jg?
21:46 Maxus: kiai 2 jg dibkin sama biar konsisten
21:47 Ilham: udah
21:47 Ilham: kiai 2 malah yang belom wkwkw
21:47 Maxus: 00:52:528 - yg ini bkin 1/1 pattern ampe 00:57:718 -
21:48 Maxus: kayak yg di 00:00:637 -
21:48 Maxus: konsepny sama
21:48 Maxus: abis itu kiai 2 ama outro jg pake 1/2 1/2 , abis itu udah
21:48 Ilham: oke
21:53 Ilham: done
21:53 Ilham: EZ?
21:54 Maxus: iya
21:54 *Maxus is listening to [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1180131 O2i3 - TSLove]
21:54 *Maxus is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1180131 O2i3 - TSLove [EZ]]
21:54 *Ilham is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1180131 O2i3 - TSLove [EZ]]
21:55 Maxus: 00:16:204 - bkin double, finish
21:55 Ilham: added
21:56 Ilham: 00:10:528 (10528|0,10691|1,10853|2,11015|0,11015|3) - oiya ini gimana?
21:56 Ilham: 00:10:042 (10042|2) - apa ini diganti LN?
21:57 Maxus: ikutin red linenya imo
21:58 Ilham: oke di kolom 1
21:59 Maxus: [https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7528683 drtd wa mkir, kra2 beginner ngehit 1/1 double bs/ga y.. hmm]
22:00 Ilham: bisa, ngefollow NM nya yang dinaikin sr nya xD
22:01 Maxus: iya, NM kan 2-1-2-1 pattern.. klo basic 2-2-2 setiap 1/1..
22:01 Maxus: tjuannya sama juga, biar spread diffny seimbang
22:02 Ilham: oke
22:02 Ilham: di pra kiai 2 juga kan?
22:02 Maxus: iya, yang 00:57:718 - ampe 00:59:988 - juga
22:03 Maxus: SRnya masih 1,45
22:03 Ilham: seep
22:04 Maxus: 00:23:664 - 00:26:258 - 00:28:853 - 00:34:042 - , dan sbagainy, bagian itu kyk ga ad pnkanan sma skli wktu musikny brhenti mendadak, mnurut wa, tiap x ad momen gitu, bkin jadi 2 note
22:05 Ilham: woke impactnya
22:09 Ilham: done btw
thank you for the support! also thanks to dkingo for the star :3Fontes wrote:
Its fun map. good luck !
thanks cs moeCritical_Star wrote:
some suggestion before qualify
Sya's HD
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01:30:636 (90636|3,90691|2) - it is correct but i will suggest to make them 1/4 for better playability. what do you think? maybe i'll keep, i'm afraid this get dq for this :'v ;w;
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thank you CS 'w'Critical_Star wrote:
some suggestion before qualify
NM
00:36:474 - how about add another note here? would be nice to catch the vocal here too // ok, seems good
00:46:204 (46204|1,46853|3,47015|2,47177|0) - suggestion > http://puu.sh/uYRGR/ad906fa2ef.png // yes, nice one
00:59:015 (59015|2,59177|1,59339|0,59339|3,59501|2,59664|1,59826|2,59988|3,59988|0,60150|1) - was thinking u could use mirror previous pattern variation here > http://puu.sh/uYRKx/35ad0f7f7a.png // umm in your screenshot there were (1 2 1 2) note(s) in every white tick? actually the previous one use all double.. even in EZ .w. but it kinda stacky so I rearrange instead
01:07:609 - 01:17:988 - same idea like before if u accept // like in the 1st kiai I only use on the last part, so I keep the first part
01:19:934 - suggest to add a note here, i see u did catch the sync sound here like 01:20:258 (80258|0) - // aaa there's already noted xD
01:33:393 (93393|2,93393|3) - i guess u would'nt need a double here // remove the col 4
MX
00:40:204 - till 00:40:528 - and 01:21:393 - till 01:22:042 -
does these sv are necessary? because i don't really feel what is the effect for
basically it just sound the same with other in chorus part and this sv feel a little sudden
still play fine for me but it just a little odd // sorry,, removed