I gave my reads based on everything that had happened, I dont like catching up as town so I didn't reply to everything because what is the point of you have my reads and you very much just would lynxh everyone which is much worse then "vote parking" or w/e scum bs you are pushingSakura wrote:
You still have yet to explain why you ignored everything that was happening, sure i know you had irl issues, but that doesnt give you the right to come in here and complain about scumreads on you when pushed and then continue to vote park Jess.
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I mean sure, copying my reads is the exact perfect natural read progression a townie would have, totally.
>Everyonebeeboy123 wrote:
I gave my reads based on everything that had happened, I dont like catching up as town so I didn't reply to everything because what is the point of you have my reads and you very much just would lynxh everyone which is much worse then "vote parking" or w/e scum bs you are pushingSakura wrote:
You still have yet to explain why you ignored everything that was happening, sure i know you had irl issues, but that doesnt give you the right to come in here and complain about scumreads on you when pushed and then continue to vote park Jess.
I guess someone here doesnt know what "Everyone" means.
You haven't Denied anything I said thoughSakura wrote:
So apparently i push everyone i can ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
You keep singing the same melody, maybe someone will believe you.
I guess sure, staying fully silent and not commenting or interacting with reads is totally going to get me... better reads.
Why didnt i think of that!
Why didnt i think of that!
Now i know how to get better reads without putting any effort!
>EveryoneNot frosting, conf town and your scum buddy
I guess someone here doesnt know what "Everyone" means.
Sorry I forgot you won't bus or push frosting
Nope, still not scum!beeboy123 wrote:
>EveryoneNot frosting, conf town and your scum buddy
I guess someone here doesnt know what "Everyone" means.
Sorry I forgot you won't bus or push frosting
You where totally ok killing the players that is different from pressureSakura wrote:
I guess sure, staying fully silent and not commenting or interacting with reads is totally going to get me... better reads.
Why didnt i think of that!
Of course im ok killing them, i thought they were scum, my interactions with Hika made me think otherwise of her.beeboy123 wrote:
You where totally ok killing the players that is different from pressureSakura wrote:
I guess sure, staying fully silent and not commenting or interacting with reads is totally going to get me... better reads.
Why didnt i think of that!
You haven't mentioned who you think I am scim with despite it being mylo as well.
God I hope town sees through all your bs arguments.
God I hope town sees through all your bs arguments.
You're talking as if you've never played with me.
Which should show how BS this push you're making is.
Which should show how BS this push you're making is.
Yes which is why I said you just keep pushing people to see what sticks.Sakura wrote:
Of course im ok killing them, i thought they were scum, my interactions with Hika made me think otherwise of her.
Hell at one point you said you thought Hika was conf scum but you gave up pushing Her to push Jess (aka not town play)
beeboy123 wrote:
You haven't mentioned who you think I am scim with despite it being mylo as well.
God I hope town sees through all your bs arguments.
Sakura wrote:
Actually nvm it doesnt make a difference
Unvote
Vote: beeboy
Well there's currently a couple of things in my mind.
I'm already very convinced bee's one of them, i'm not sure on the 2nd, but if bee's town then i can consider this game lost, not sure if there's a point to voting NL if bee's gonna be lynched either way even if it's today or tomorrow.
Regardless now it's very true rEdo was shot N1 and it's about time i go and re-read D1 to figure out why.
No, i pushed you.beeboy123 wrote:
Yes which is why I said you just keep pushing people to see what sticks.Sakura wrote:
Of course im ok killing them, i thought they were scum, my interactions with Hika made me think otherwise of her.
Hell at one point you said you thought Hika was conf scum but you gave up pushing Her to push Jess (aka not town play)
God you are so scum it isn't funny just claim pleaseSakura wrote:
You're talking as if you've never played with me.
Which should show how BS this push you're making is.
Plus i said Hika was 50-60% scum.
Get your facts straight.
Get your facts straight.
Who is my scum buddy mrs beeboy is spouting bs?
you haven't actually expanded on that
you haven't actually expanded on that
Hmmm...
But you mentioning something concerning.
It is true if you're scum i have 0 idea who your partner might be.
Considering you were absent for most of D2, it's kinda hard for you to have interactions of any sort ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ ggwp.
If you manage to get this mislynch im going to despise you for using your irl situation to sneak away as scum.
But you mentioning something concerning.
It is true if you're scum i have 0 idea who your partner might be.
Considering you were absent for most of D2, it's kinda hard for you to have interactions of any sort ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ ggwp.
If you manage to get this mislynch im going to despise you for using your irl situation to sneak away as scum.
Although if you're town i wont be as mad coz i made a mistake too ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I am not using my irl as an excuse for anything except for not being here at the start of day 2.
I do admit I avoided responding to things because I am lazy.
Since I am town I admit to my flaws.
Unlike you who as scum who won't admit to your drastic change in play style which is why I know you are scum.
I do admit I avoided responding to things because I am lazy.
Since I am town I admit to my flaws.
Unlike you who as scum who won't admit to your drastic change in play style which is why I know you are scum.
Because there's no drastic change in playstyle.beeboy123 wrote:
I am not using my irl as an excuse for anything except for not being here at the start of day 2.
I do admit I avoided responding to things because I am lazy.
Since I am town I admit to my flaws.
Unlike you who as scum who won't admit to your drastic change in play style which is why I know you are scum.
Hmm...
even tho beeboy wasnt here to interact with anyone there must have been someone who had a TR on him for most of D2... oh wait that was me.
even tho beeboy wasnt here to interact with anyone there must have been someone who had a TR on him for most of D2... oh wait that was me.
Anyone can read a recent game like newbie 14 and see how your play style changed so idk why you are denying it.
Also you keep arguing I am using irl as an excuse when I only use it to justify my VLA time like you are scum grasping onto straws.
Also you keep arguing I am using irl as an excuse when I only use it to justify my VLA time like you are scum grasping onto straws.
see your scum game is so obvious you just caught yourself ^_^Sakura wrote:
Hmm...
even tho beeboy wasnt here to interact with anyone there must have been someone who had a TR on him for most of D2... oh wait that was me.
I've already linked all my recent meta on D2 (or was it D1?)
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Yea and all those support my statement and so does newbie 14 which you didn't link.
Outside that 1 push you made in Demi night less even tho you still played more passively then you did here.
Outside that 1 push you made in Demi night less even tho you still played more passively then you did here.
More passively by far.
I know you need to push me to win as scum but you could at least try and make your arguments a bit better. I am almost enjoying watching you struggle and fail to deny what I an saying
I know you need to push me to win as scum but you could at least try and make your arguments a bit better. I am almost enjoying watching you struggle and fail to deny what I an saying
You dont mean...beeboy123 wrote:
More passively by far.
I know you need to push me to win as scum but you could at least try and make your arguments a bit better. I am almost enjoying watching you struggle and fail to deny what I an saying
THIS is your revenge this time, isnt it
OMFG IM GOING TO LYNCH YOU WITH FIRE NOW
Is this your way of trying to make me think your town cause you can't win the 1 on 1?
We both know I don't care about revenge so keep trying to make me think your town
Deep in i was really looking for a glint of light of you being town.
But i can see you're still out to destroy me ever since i caught you with my cop on Gistou.
I AM NOT GOING TO LET YOU GET AWAY.
But i can see you're still out to destroy me ever since i caught you with my cop on Gistou.
I AM NOT GOING TO LET YOU GET AWAY.
Or you are scum trying to AtE me with this Gistou revenge thing I already told you I didn't actually care about and are trying to AtE to me because you know I am susceptible to it.
Plus
1) I havent failed to deny anything, you have failed to prove anything.
2) You conveniently used your irl situation to go afk for most of D2, then beetlejuice when pushed.
3) I am not playing differently, you're trying to get me ML'd and that's why you are trying to sell that to people here, considering they havent seen me in months while i was on my Luna Fox alt.
4) You DID say as scum you use BS to try to get your mislynches.
1) I havent failed to deny anything, you have failed to prove anything.
2) You conveniently used your irl situation to go afk for most of D2, then beetlejuice when pushed.
3) I am not playing differently, you're trying to get me ML'd and that's why you are trying to sell that to people here, considering they havent seen me in months while i was on my Luna Fox alt.
4) You DID say as scum you use BS to try to get your mislynches.
So you're using outdated meta, that i have already proven wrong, to try to ML me.
Why are you worried about talking about the more recent games like pieguyn and semi-nightless? Because your case collapses that's why.
Why are you worried about talking about the more recent games like pieguyn and semi-nightless? Because your case collapses that's why.
You looked at a 3 year old game for meta and I can't look at 3 month old game?
And I am the scum using bs?
Damn after this game can you give me scum pointers so I can make pro arguments like that?
And I am the scum using bs?
Damn after this game can you give me scum pointers so I can make pro arguments like that?
3 year old? woot?beeboy123 wrote:
You looked at a 3 year old game for meta and I can't look at 3 month old game?
And I am the scum using bs?
Damn after this game can you give me scum pointers so I can make pro arguments like that?
The only 3 year old game i remember with you is makai mix, and i only linked it once coz while checking the scum PT i found you commenting on a mason fake claim which made me laugh.
You looked up GIFs game where I was scum first.Sakura wrote:
3 year old? woot?beeboy123 wrote:
You looked at a 3 year old game for meta and I can't look at 3 month old game?
And I am the scum using bs?
Damn after this game can you give me scum pointers so I can make pro arguments like that?
Guess you can't remember the meta you looked up because you are scum and don't actually care about the meta you found earlier.
Scum a bit less this is too easy
You said you would Meta me and that and GistouSakura wrote:
The only 3 year old game i remember with you is makai mix, and i only linked it once coz while checking the scum PT i found you commenting on a mason fake claim which made me laugh.
Meta wise, you usually bring the latest 3 games as either alignment.... although with Luna i only rolled scum twice, and one was as SK.
But it didnt end up being relevant cause you found nothing
I'm not even talking about meta anymore, you're the one bringing up meta.beeboy123 wrote:
You said you would Meta me and that and GistouSakura wrote:
The only 3 year old game i remember with you is makai mix, and i only linked it once coz while checking the scum PT i found you commenting on a mason fake claim which made me laugh.
You did very aggressively push pie in that game once she ran you upSakura wrote:
Meta wise, you usually bring the latest 3 games as either alignment.... although with Luna i only rolled scum twice, and one was as SK.
And i only brought Gistou coz you said you'd "get me" someday.
Yeah, once she ran me up, and pie was scum mind you, and SK =/= Group scum.beeboy123 wrote:
You did very aggressively push pie in that game once she ran you upSakura wrote:
Meta wise, you usually bring the latest 3 games as either alignment.... although with Luna i only rolled scum twice, and one was as SK.
But hey, i did say that people would use that game now to find a way to ML me, and look at what you're doing ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I guess my fears of ppl using that game to ML me were well founded in the end.
You are the one that brought up the game not me.
Also just because you said that doesn't mean this game doesn't resemble your Sk game more than your town game
Also just because you said that doesn't mean this game doesn't resemble your Sk game more than your town game
You brought up the game not me I am just sAying it goes against you not for you like the bs narrative you are writing
Your attempts at AtEing me despite me not actually bringing up that game is horrendous
I brought it up coz SK isnt exactly scum meta.
And THEN you started to make it sound like it was, coz apparently my play here resembled that game.
It is more mafia then town is all I am arguing, not that game makes you scum here.
It's clearly not what I am arguing I just feel like the Gistou ate didn't work for you so now you going onto the meta fear AtE cause we both know those are legit fears you have that I have sympathized with before.
It's clearly not what I am arguing I just feel like the Gistou ate didn't work for you so now you going onto the meta fear AtE cause we both know those are legit fears you have that I have sympathized with before.
So to recap:
I'm talking about your play in THIS game, i'm not bringing meta sources of any sort to prove your guilt, why? Because your play in this game is eviedence of scum play.
You're trying to bring outdated meta to try to prove that "im playing different" when i personally linked my own meta earlier, everyone's capable of reading it and making their own conclusions, you just keep trying to bring it up because scum like to repeat the same tune over and over to subconsciously manipulate people into doing what they want.
I'm talking about your play in THIS game, i'm not bringing meta sources of any sort to prove your guilt, why? Because your play in this game is eviedence of scum play.
You're trying to bring outdated meta to try to prove that "im playing different" when i personally linked my own meta earlier, everyone's capable of reading it and making their own conclusions, you just keep trying to bring it up because scum like to repeat the same tune over and over to subconsciously manipulate people into doing what they want.
Or do you think that I as scum, am stupid enough to link my own meta to people and then go completely against it on a game?
There's 2 more simple answers:
1) Either im town and idc about the meta.
2) Im scum and im emulating my town meta.
So your meta argument is not possible in either scenario and shows that you're just spouting BS.
There's 2 more simple answers:
1) Either im town and idc about the meta.
2) Im scum and im emulating my town meta.
So your meta argument is not possible in either scenario and shows that you're just spouting BS.
You wanted to emulate your town meta and failed miserably it's pretty simple.
Also you asked for your meta and you know that i could provide it so you'd rather do it yourself
Also you asked for your meta and you know that i could provide it so you'd rather do it yourself
@Abraker: Do you still have all the events from D1? i kinda need those coz im having a hard time forming my own flowchart, and i want to figure out why was rEdo shot.
Your recap is a misrep because you really are playing incredibly off meta and your push reasons are the same reasons scum have used on me before.
I am repeating that because it's true and makes you conf scum
I am repeating that because it's true and makes you conf scum
Town help me vote Sakura and don't listen to b1rd pls
Sakura is obv scum pouting pure bs and it is laughably obvious
Anyway I am getting burned out and am going to wait for others to come to the thread.
What im wondering right now is...
bee's a friend of mine, im 100% sure he knows how much i hate being ML'd, and it'd be so easy for him to just get me to vote someone else in my PoE list.
I can't shake the feeling that he probably genuinely thinks im scum... but... idk
Literally the only scum game of him i remember is Gistou, Makai mix happened way too long ago, and i dont even remember it.
Ugh i probably need to rethink everything.
Possibly with abraker's data i can figure it out
Unvote
Sorry rEdo, im not so sure about bee anymore
bee's a friend of mine, im 100% sure he knows how much i hate being ML'd, and it'd be so easy for him to just get me to vote someone else in my PoE list.
I can't shake the feeling that he probably genuinely thinks im scum... but... idk
Literally the only scum game of him i remember is Gistou, Makai mix happened way too long ago, and i dont even remember it.
Ugh i probably need to rethink everything.
Possibly with abraker's data i can figure it out
Unvote
Sorry rEdo, im not so sure about bee anymore
eh. Y'all crazy.
What do YOU think then?
ill let ya know when im not playing league P:
im spam playing league so i might not put some real thought into this until tomorrow evening
If it helps you, the only person i'd hate if im ML right here is bee because.
1) If he's scum he's deliberately doing something he knows i hate.
2) If he's town he has way more recent experience with me than anyone else.
Make the decission an unbiased as possible.
1) If he's scum he's deliberately doing something he knows i hate.
2) If he's town he has way more recent experience with me than anyone else.
Make the decission an unbiased as possible.
Actually nevermind I lied, i'd probably still feel bad.
I feel like this is the hardest i've tried ever to solve the game, and all that work in the end ammounts to nothing because A) People think it's odd for me to do so and B) I always end up second guessing myself anyway.
Regardless i dont think im ever going to put this big ammount of effort into game solving ever again, today shows me that it's not worth it due to the fact that i still havent figured out who's scum in the end.
I feel like this is the hardest i've tried ever to solve the game, and all that work in the end ammounts to nothing because A) People think it's odd for me to do so and B) I always end up second guessing myself anyway.
Regardless i dont think im ever going to put this big ammount of effort into game solving ever again, today shows me that it's not worth it due to the fact that i still havent figured out who's scum in the end.
I'm just goint to say one thing @bee
If you as scum were capable of saying this:
I am never
NEVER EVER
GONNA FORGIVE YOU
FOR DELIGHTING YOURSELF IN THE FUN OF MISLYNCHING ME
This is worse than what Wisdom did.
And
Mark my words, you will NEVER see me again in your entire life.
If you as scum were capable of saying this:
To town me.beeboy123 wrote:
More passively by far.
I know you need to push me to win as scum but you could at least try and make your arguments a bit better. I am almost enjoying watching you struggle and fail to deny what I an saying
I am never
NEVER EVER
GONNA FORGIVE YOU
FOR DELIGHTING YOURSELF IN THE FUN OF MISLYNCHING ME
This is worse than what Wisdom did.
And
Mark my words, you will NEVER see me again in your entire life.
Hey guys I'm VT again what a big surprise 
Vote: uhhh idk Vote: B1rd
Also Zexion is it OK if I VLA until Wednesday 22:00 UTC
Really sorry about that, please replace me out if it's too long
Vote: uhhh idk Vote: B1rd
Also Zexion is it OK if I VLA until Wednesday 22:00 UTC
Really sorry about that, please replace me out if it's too long
Actually I should Vote: NoLynch if I'm gonna be away
I think No Lynch is still the better option here
Sakura and beeboy posts aren't really interesting
I will FOS B1rd and abraker
I think No Lynch is still the better option here
Sakura and beeboy posts aren't really interesting
I will FOS B1rd and abraker
Actually I've been thinking
rEdo night1 target is kinda strange
I feel like the only people who would fear rEdo as scum would be Sakura and Hika
I haven't really gone deep into it though because the target could have been arbitrary or chosen selectively to create some wifom
Also Wow nice selfvote
rEdo night1 target is kinda strange
I feel like the only people who would fear rEdo as scum would be Sakura and Hika
I haven't really gone deep into it though because the target could have been arbitrary or chosen selectively to create some wifom
Also Wow nice selfvote
Dunno how accurate/biased any of it is, but here is the compilation I have for day 1 up until Dawnsday's case was decided. I stopped recording after thatSakura wrote:
@Abraker: Do you still have all the events from D1? i kinda need those coz im having a hard time forming my own flowchart, and i want to figure out why was rEdo shot.
- Sakura asserts Frosting, Dawnsday, and beeboy123 are townie
- Early attacks on Hika based on nothing
- Beeboy123 asserts he and Dawnsday are masons. LIE
- Hika asserts that he is not falling for the attacks
- Abraker votes on Dawnsday for no reason
- Sakura refutes the mason claim by Beeboy and Dawnsday
- Beeboy123 questions why Sakura, Jess, and abraker are not voting on Hika
- Dawnsday wants to slow down on Hika attacks
- B1rd questions random voting and disproves the mason claim, proceeds to attack Beeboy123
- rEdo responds to B1rd with an attack
- Sakura mentions that Beeboy123 always lies but Dawnsday going with it is concerning
- Sakura says if Beeboy123 and Dawnsday are scum, it would be unwise to partnership when saying a lie
- Beeboy123 continues to assert he is mason. Says Dawnsday too as a joke Sounds sincere
- Dawnsday says he went along with the claim as a joke
- rEdo is suspicious that Sakura hasn’t reacted on rEdo’s random attack on B1rd
- Hika is confused
- Hika says either Dawnsday is confused or he is scum and know what he is doing
- Dawnsday says he went along with the claim as a joke. Says he is aware masons are not in this game, confirming the lie. Shows expertise.
- Sakura is unsure of B1rd
- - [Jess] - enters the stage neutrally
- Dawnsday assers Beeboy123 is townie
- Hika questions Dawnsday’s claim
- Summary by Dawnsday:
Beeboy protected Dawsday from Sakura → Not good action if they are mafia
Beeboy spewed stuff about previous made accusations by him
Would have been smarter if he ditched Dawnsday and got him voted up instead - Sakura asserts rEdo is town
- Beeboy123 concludes Frostings is reaction testing
- Hika throws bullshit on Sakuras town reading, Sakura meh
- Hika asserts B1rd is town
- Hika doesn’t agree with B1rd’s attack on Beeboy123
- Frostings votes Dawnsday, asserts B1rd is town
- rEdo can’t read -[Jess]-, abraker, Sakura, and Hika. Asserts Frostings and Beeboy123 are townie. Unvotes B1rd due to reaction testing over
- Dawnsday questions Frosting’s attack at him
- rEdo responds by attacking Dawnsday
- Frostings responds that it’s for reaction testing
- Dawnsday is surprised to Frostings response
- Hika becomes suspicious of Dawnsday’s shift to self defence
- Dawnsday claims it’s his first Mafia game (LIE). Unvotes Hika. Goes on to say bullshit. Claims he is L-2
- Sakura starts questioning Dawnsday. Claims Dawnsday is not acting like a townie
- Dawnsday wants people to unvote him. Claims that scum may have voted for him
- Hika says that scum are not dumb to vote randomly
- rEdo claims Dawnsday is not acting like a townie
- Dawnsday goes on to day bullshit. Claims he can’t read abraker, Hika is scum, Possibly town b1rd, sakura and frostings, definitely town Beeboy123.
- Hika responds by attacking Dawnsday
- Sakura questions Dawnsday, claims Dawnsday is L-1
- Hika warns Dawnsday
- -[Jess]- Claims Dawnsday is scum. Threats to attack and kill Dawnsday
- Frostings explains how Scum act
- Beeboy123 questions why Dawnsday thinks Hika is scum given event #36b. Wants to see Dawnsday’s roleclaim before Dawnsday is killed by -[Jesse]-. Questions why nobody is against Dawnsday being killed
- Sakura claims Hika is not off the hook. Claims if Dawnsday is town then a scum attacked him. Demonstrates that a claim he is not town has 2 claims town attacking him. Questions event #47 given that Beeboy123 attacked Hika
- Beeboy123 backs his questioning concerning nobody being against Dawnsday being killed. Claim that Dawnsday might be town, but needs an answer to event #47a first
- Hika asserts Dawnsday is scum. Mentions events #47a
- Dawnsday goes on to say bullshit. Tries to reaction test Hika
- Hika defends event #52b with event #6
- Sakura demonstrates contradiction of event #47c. Beeboy123 is therefore being against Dawnsday being killed
- Bird claims support for event #40. Questions Frostings based on events #2 and #28. Claims rEdo is townie. Unvotes Beeboy123
- Frostings backs up event #28 with events #36, #38, #41, #51. Claims event #36a is false
- Dawnsday goes on to say bullshit. Admits #36a is false
- abraker questions event #1
- Abraker questions BeeBoy123 having a lot of townread. Throws the question subtle at -[Jesse]-
- Sakura asserts Dawnsday is not scum
attack = vote in the text
While I am on the Frostings+Sakura case, I still need more proof that Sakura is scum to be ready to vote. All I got currently are some potential hints (like swaying opinions using anecdotes, requiring people to just take word for whatever said), but nothing concrete.beeboy123 wrote:
Town help me vote Sakura and don't listen to b1rd pls
Another one of these? I mean at this point, after what happened, this will be a safe move even for scumbeeboy123 wrote:
vote: beeboy
@Sakura also spent some time making a support/hostility web for D2 a few day back. Needs better design, but that's all have for now. I need to start gathering data again (been a bit lazy lately)
I meant D1. Realized Dawnsday was on there. I'm heading off to bed before I start talking wrong
Pretty sure this guy is pulling data out his ass
Anyone even gonna bother fact checking?
Anyone even gonna bother fact checking?
vote: FrostingsFrostings wrote:
Pretty sure this guy is pulling data out his ass
Anyone even gonna bother fact checking?
Stop being so defensive toward yourself. You are crying "I'm innocent please don't hurt me" as if you are guilty as cha
Learn to read. I said it might be biased/inaccurate. That must imply that you should go back and verify the info for at least some entries
abraker wrote:
Dunno how accurate/biased any of it is
mobile sucks. Misaimed my thumb to the post button before finished the last word "charged"
To be clear,
I interpret this as worry that someone might uncover proof that he is indeed scum. I have no idea why use such tone as a response to a post of compiled data which includes a disclaimer.Frostings wrote:
Pretty sure this guy is pulling data out his ass
Anyone even gonna bother fact checking?
abraker wrote:
I interpret this as worry that someone might uncover proof that he is indeed scum
Or fabricate data as fake proof that he is scum.abraker wrote:
I interpret this as worry that someone might uncover proof that he is indeed scum.
Also excuse the double post. Misaimed thumbs again as I am trying to type too quickly. 3:30am doesn't serve me well either
@Abraker: thanks for the posts, i WILL fact check it just in case, but this will make my job tremendously easier.
Yeah i haven't been able to sleep it's 4:17 am so it may take a while since i'll start when i wake up.
Yeah i haven't been able to sleep it's 4:17 am so it may take a while since i'll start when i wake up.
Funny that just because I won't give me read on beeboy suddenly heat has sprung up on me despite no one even giving any good explanation 
Right now I'm feeling quite disillusioned at Sakura and her scum hunting ability. What is it now, the third time she has dropped a strong push on someone for some vague reason. How does "I'M GOING TO LYNCH YOU WITH FIRE" go to "I don't think he's scum"? It makes no sense to me, considering the reason she gives is because beeboy is counter-voting her. When has this ever been a town-tell? Because it seems very apparent to me that beeboy is just in his death throes now, angrily accusing everyone who is voting him as "scum", using the word like 20 times, dragging on obscure arguments about meta.
Since the town obviously has no coherent direction let me point in the right direction. Lynch beeboy. Don't do it on my word, make your own decision based on his behaviour throughout the entire game, based on his reaction to being targeted now and his bad attempts at counter-lynching Sakura, and based on observations of people like myself and rEdo. He even even just self-voted for pete's sake. It is very clear to me that he's been playing anti-town, he's by far the scummiest player at this point.
I'm not going to vote now, I guess just for the gesture of not taking the game to L-2, but I really don't see any other option but to lynch beeboy. Sure there is a chance that he's town, in that case well done to mafia for playing a good game, but I'm 80% sure he is scum at this point and I'm pretty certain that lynching anyone else will end up in a myslynch and we will lose. Sure we can no-lynch, but frankly I'm sick of indecisiveness and I really doubt that one NK will make the game much easier or reveal much new information. No one has ever won a game of mafia with indecisiveness, consider that there are two scum at play at the moment that are on the brink of winning, and they can easily shift the vote to the person that want. I think I've done as good as job as I can to explain why beeboy is scum, conf-town people like rEdo have backed me up which gives me good conviction that the wagon against beeboy was not created by scum.
Perhaps that was a rant but I'm just annoyed at this farce. I'm also immensely annoyed that suddenly Frostings has decided to VL/A now, I'd rather just replace him at this point.
Right now I'm feeling quite disillusioned at Sakura and her scum hunting ability. What is it now, the third time she has dropped a strong push on someone for some vague reason. How does "I'M GOING TO LYNCH YOU WITH FIRE" go to "I don't think he's scum"? It makes no sense to me, considering the reason she gives is because beeboy is counter-voting her. When has this ever been a town-tell? Because it seems very apparent to me that beeboy is just in his death throes now, angrily accusing everyone who is voting him as "scum", using the word like 20 times, dragging on obscure arguments about meta.
Completely false, I've read you ISO, you have been doing no scumhunting, except for perhaps the "scumhunting" of recently trying to create a counter-wagon towards anyone except yourself. If you really were away and had no real thoughts on who was scum, that wouldn't be so bad. But instead you have just pretended to scum hunt with completely superficial observations that are no benefit to town whatsoever.beeboy123 wrote:
I mean your read on me was complete garbage you just said abunch of things that don't line up with anything you know about me as a player and b1rd just ignored my scum hunting and said I wasn't doing it.
Since the town obviously has no coherent direction let me point in the right direction. Lynch beeboy. Don't do it on my word, make your own decision based on his behaviour throughout the entire game, based on his reaction to being targeted now and his bad attempts at counter-lynching Sakura, and based on observations of people like myself and rEdo. He even even just self-voted for pete's sake. It is very clear to me that he's been playing anti-town, he's by far the scummiest player at this point.
I'm not going to vote now, I guess just for the gesture of not taking the game to L-2, but I really don't see any other option but to lynch beeboy. Sure there is a chance that he's town, in that case well done to mafia for playing a good game, but I'm 80% sure he is scum at this point and I'm pretty certain that lynching anyone else will end up in a myslynch and we will lose. Sure we can no-lynch, but frankly I'm sick of indecisiveness and I really doubt that one NK will make the game much easier or reveal much new information. No one has ever won a game of mafia with indecisiveness, consider that there are two scum at play at the moment that are on the brink of winning, and they can easily shift the vote to the person that want. I think I've done as good as job as I can to explain why beeboy is scum, conf-town people like rEdo have backed me up which gives me good conviction that the wagon against beeboy was not created by scum.
Perhaps that was a rant but I'm just annoyed at this farce. I'm also immensely annoyed that suddenly Frostings has decided to VL/A now, I'd rather just replace him at this point.
Topic Starter
Sunday doesn't let me get any good ideas for flavor...
Yesterday I read Greatest Idea Mafia II again. Can we have another of those Sakura?
@Frostings: if you can play again on Wendnesday, it's okay because it's no more than half of the day.
Please tell me if you see any mistakes.
Frostings is V/LA until March 1th.
Day 3 ends on March 4th, 01:30 AM UTC.
Yesterday I read Greatest Idea Mafia II again. Can we have another of those Sakura?
@Frostings: if you can play again on Wendnesday, it's okay because it's no more than half of the day.
Votecount 3.1
No Lynch [1] - Frostings (L-2)
beeboy123 [1] - beeboy123
Frostings [1] - abraker
Hika [0] -
Sakura [0] -
abraker [0] -
B1rd [0] -
Not Voting [3] - Hika, Sakura, B1rd,
With 6 alive, it's 4 to lynch.
No Lynch [1] - Frostings (L-2)
beeboy123 [1] - beeboy123
Frostings [1] - abraker
Hika [0] -
Sakura [0] -
abraker [0] -
B1rd [0] -
Not Voting [3] - Hika, Sakura, B1rd,
With 6 alive, it's 4 to lynch.
Please tell me if you see any mistakes.
Frostings is V/LA until March 1th.
Day 3 ends on March 4th, 01:30 AM UTC.
abraker wrote:
Dunno how accurate/biased any of it is, but here is the compilation I have for day 1 up until Dawnsday's case was decided. I stopped recording after thatSakura wrote:
@Abraker: Do you still have all the events from D1? i kinda need those coz im having a hard time forming my own flowchart, and i want to figure out why was rEdo shot.
- Sakura asserts Frosting, Dawnsday, and beeboy123 are townie
- Early attacks on Hika based on nothing
- Beeboy123 asserts he and Dawnsday are masons. LIE
- Hika asserts that he is not falling for the attacks
- Abraker votes on Dawnsday for no reason
- Sakura refutes the mason claim by Beeboy and Dawnsday
- Beeboy123 questions why Sakura, Jess, and abraker are not voting on Hika
- Dawnsday wants to slow down on Hika attacks
- B1rd questions random voting and disproves the mason claim, proceeds to attack Beeboy123
- rEdo responds to B1rd with an attack
- Sakura mentions that Beeboy123 always lies but Dawnsday going with it is concerning
- Sakura says if Beeboy123 and Dawnsday are scum, it would be unwise to partnership when saying a lie
- Beeboy123 continues to assert he is mason. Says Dawnsday too as a joke Sounds sincere
- Dawnsday says he went along with the claim as a joke
- rEdo is suspicious that Sakura hasn’t reacted on rEdo’s random attack on B1rd
- Hika is confused
- Hika says either Dawnsday is confused or he is scum and know what he is doing
- Dawnsday says he went along with the claim as a joke. Says he is aware masons are not in this game, confirming the lie. Shows expertise.
- Sakura is unsure of B1rd
- - [Jess] - enters the stage neutrally
- Dawnsday assers Beeboy123 is townie
- Hika questions Dawnsday’s claim
- Summary by Dawnsday:
Beeboy protected Dawsday from Sakura → Not good action if they are mafia
Beeboy spewed stuff about previous made accusations by him
Would have been smarter if he ditched Dawnsday and got him voted up instead- Sakura asserts rEdo is town
- Beeboy123 concludes Frostings is reaction testing
- Hika throws bullshit on Sakuras town reading, Sakura meh
- Hika asserts B1rd is town
- Hika doesn’t agree with B1rd’s attack on Beeboy123
- Frostings votes Dawnsday, asserts B1rd is town
- rEdo can’t read -[Jess]-, abraker, Sakura, and Hika. Asserts Frostings and Beeboy123 are townie. Unvotes B1rd due to reaction testing over
- Dawnsday questions Frosting’s attack at him
- rEdo responds by attacking Dawnsday
- Frostings responds that it’s for reaction testing
- Dawnsday is surprised to Frostings response
- Hika becomes suspicious of Dawnsday’s shift to self defence
- Dawnsday claims it’s his first Mafia game (LIE). Unvotes Hika. Goes on to say bullshit. Claims he is L-2
- Sakura starts questioning Dawnsday. Claims Dawnsday is not acting like a townie
- Dawnsday wants people to unvote him. Claims that scum may have voted for him
- Hika says that scum are not dumb to vote randomly
- rEdo claims Dawnsday is not acting like a townie
- Dawnsday goes on to day bullshit. Claims he can’t read abraker, Hika is scum, Possibly town b1rd, sakura and frostings, definitely town Beeboy123.
- Hika responds by attacking Dawnsday
- Sakura questions Dawnsday, claims Dawnsday is L-1
- Hika warns Dawnsday
- -[Jess]- Claims Dawnsday is scum. Threats to attack and kill Dawnsday
- Frostings explains how Scum act
- Beeboy123 questions why Dawnsday thinks Hika is scum given event #36b. Wants to see Dawnsday’s roleclaim before Dawnsday is killed by -[Jesse]-. Questions why nobody is against Dawnsday being killed
- Sakura claims Hika is not off the hook. Claims if Dawnsday is town then a scum attacked him. Demonstrates that a claim he is not town has 2 claims town attacking him. Questions event #47 given that Beeboy123 attacked Hika
- Beeboy123 backs his questioning concerning nobody being against Dawnsday being killed. Claim that Dawnsday might be town, but needs an answer to event #47a first
- Hika asserts Dawnsday is scum. Mentions events #47a
- Dawnsday goes on to say bullshit. Tries to reaction test Hika
- Hika defends event #52b with event #6
- Sakura demonstrates contradiction of event #47c. Beeboy123 is therefore being against Dawnsday being killed
- Bird claims support for event #40. Questions Frostings based on events #2 and #28. Claims rEdo is townie. Unvotes Beeboy123
- Frostings backs up event #28 with events #36, #38, #41, #51. Claims event #36a is false
- Dawnsday goes on to say bullshit. Admits #36a is false
- abraker questions event #1
- Abraker questions BeeBoy123 having a lot of townread. Throws the question subtle at -[Jesse]-
- Sakura asserts Dawnsday is not scum
rEdo's reads at end of D1 according to this list
Scumread: Dawnsday
Can't read: Sakura, abraker, Jess, Hika
Townreads: beeboy, Frosty
Scumread: Dawnsday
Can't read: Sakura, abraker, Jess, Hika
Townreads: beeboy, Frosty
EoD1 Lynch:
On the wagon: abraker, Frosty, rEdo, Hika, Jess
Off the wagon: beeboy, Dawnsday, Sakura, B1rd
*scratches head*On the wagon: abraker, Frosty, rEdo, Hika, Jess
Off the wagon: beeboy, Dawnsday, Sakura, B1rd
A shot on rEdo when he was townreading bee and Frosty, so at the very least that makes those 2 more unlikely to be scum.
OTOH: rEdo was on the wagon, what does scum gain by shooting off someone on the wagon after i had said that if dawns flipped town someone on the wagon had to be scum? Attempt at discredit or protection? hmm
Note 1: beeboy was most townread D1, but scum would be prepared for the possibility of a Doctor Protect.
Note 2: if abraker's scum, then the above doesnt make sense since abraker misread the setup. Same with Hika (faked?).
@B1rd: Sorry but i am pretty tired (I mean i couldnt sleep well last night coz i kept thinking of the implications of the possibility of scum bee here meaning one of my friends just backstabbing me without a care about my feelings at all), im not the type of person that takes attacks on me well, and beeboy knows it, yet he kept relentlessly continuing with his attacks on me and on top of that, TAKING FUN out of it. For someone I opened up to and knows how to make me mad, him using this tactic as scum is unbecoming and is something i wouldn't expect from a friend, it'd be like backstabbing me while i have my guard down since i was never seriously attacked in this game.
Well if Sakura is AtEing this hard as scum I literally need to rethink how I fundamentally approach mafia to the point where I will never trust any post that contains any ounce of emotion in it again and I basically lost all my will to play because of how shitty I feel atm.
I kinda just want to QL b1rd and move onto a 4 man mylo where I am hopefully dead because cause A) I still can't see my wagon being pushed by only town even if that is possible B) I don't have that much of a desire to look at this game from a different angle atm.
I kinda just want to QL b1rd and move onto a 4 man mylo where I am hopefully dead because cause A) I still can't see my wagon being pushed by only town even if that is possible B) I don't have that much of a desire to look at this game from a different angle atm.
I don't if you can really make that conclusions about the day 1 NK attempt, considering at the end of day 2 rEdo was actually heavily scumreading the people he was townreading on day 1. If anything it makes it more likely beeboy is scum, considering how hard rEdo was after him.
And I'm really not concerned about any of your personal matters with beeboy, I'm here to hunt scum. I can only respect personal reads to a certain extent, they definitely do not justify going against everything else. I'm not interested in your reasons that you can justify only to yourself, based on your behaviour I'd think you were scum except for the fact that I think beeboy is scum and it seems unlikely to me that you could pull of such a fake drama and a dangerous game of throwing around lynch votes and accusations to your scum partner. Still, I know you two have played a lot and played a lot together so it's not a possibility I'm ruling out.
And I'm really not concerned about any of your personal matters with beeboy, I'm here to hunt scum. I can only respect personal reads to a certain extent, they definitely do not justify going against everything else. I'm not interested in your reasons that you can justify only to yourself, based on your behaviour I'd think you were scum except for the fact that I think beeboy is scum and it seems unlikely to me that you could pull of such a fake drama and a dangerous game of throwing around lynch votes and accusations to your scum partner. Still, I know you two have played a lot and played a lot together so it's not a possibility I'm ruling out.
Or we could always Lynch me cause I don't really feel like I deserve to win this game anyway.