1. Insane (3.95 stars, 334 notes)
2. Lyric's Hard (2.88 stars, 259 notes)
3. Pata-Mon's Normal (1.85 stars, 128 notes)

Did you still recall Angel Yuko on every Christmas?

Insane: me | Hard: Lyric | Normal: Pata-Mon

http://puu.sh/svTRE/a5481849d5.7z

smallboat wrote:

[Global]
drum-sliderslide.wav
沒有用到。
这是ma的错判，用到了的，你可以对比删掉之后这个sliderslide的区别：00:19:187 (1) - 00:26:298 (1) -
[Insane]

00:03:187 (1,5) - 滑條尾端設個5%音量好像不錯 (如果要用記得別把後面滑條也5%了..)
00:07:742 (4) - 滑條頭完全蓋住會比較好看
00:08:076 (5) - 應該能完全放在滑條尖端?
00:56:298 (4) - 這note可以往右下移動做個漸層pattern看看合不合適 差别不大，就这样了吧
01:06:742 (2) - 是沒疊好?
01:18:298 (2) - 同上
02:15:131 (1) - 同Hard

Shurelia wrote:

extra late m4m

[Insane]

1. 00:04:965 (1) - move this around 236|112 to avoid too much overlapping and make things looks prettier.
2. 01:40:965 (1) - probably need more distance since it's the strongest vocal's voice in the song so it'll be better if it have a big emphasize. Probably just ctrl+g this 01:40:965 (1,2) - would fix it plays fine anyways, the jump is not hard anyways.
3. nice spinners

gl

imoutosan wrote:

[Hard]
00:57:409 - 这个空拍空掉白线感觉挺突兀的 如果要保留的话前面相同的位置也做个空拍比较好 // 改掉了前面的
01:40:964 (1) - 这拆成俩比较舒服 // OK
01:58:520 (1) - 换成三连？ // OK

Atrue wrote:

[Lyric's Hard]
感觉不错
01:40:964 (1) - 这里不建议用这种节奏型，分成两个折返滑条就好。 // OK
01:42:742 - 既然前边已经有节奏型的前例，不用NC spam强调也可以，用了反而觉得乱。 // OK

smallboat wrote:

[Lyric's Hard]
01:23:853 (5,6) - 建議6可以再靠過來左邊一點，使5、6的尾端、7的間隙看起來一樣空比較好看。 // OK
01:40:964 (1) - 很少在Hard看到這麼多次數的折返，拆成2組較適當。 // OK
01:42:742 (1,1,1,1,1,1) - 這個有點濫用NC了，覺得是3個音才設一組NC才對。 // OK
02:15:131 (1) - 尾端沒音了為什麼還有音量這麼大聲。 // 调成了12%音量的spinner

Shurelia wrote:

[Hard]

1. 00:33:409 - Ignoring this downbeat isn't really a good idea tbh. Probably should just make 00:33:186 (5) - as a repeat like the previous repeats. Or, you can try putting a circle at here // I can't agree this. drum sound ended at 00:33:298 and there's no reason mapping vocal abruptly in this place
2. 01:19:409 - a bit too strong to be not mapped. // ditto, mapping drum-only is good and clear to play anyways
3. 01:29:409 (3,6) - you didn't do any kind of overlap before. Why now? I suggest to stay no-overlap thing instead. // OK, changed

http://puu.sh/tPbiY/04f321cb6d.7z

Sonnyc wrote:

Regarding the general issue, I think it would be fine if you want to keep it.
However the bold issue in the insane is something I considered as a must fix. A similar 2/3 rhythm concept also appears at 01:40:965 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) which I couldn't found much difference with the 3/4 designs.

You do not necessarily have to agree with me, and you can just found 2 extra BNs who agree with your current beatmap design.

Still, feel free to poke me if you decide to make changes!

Shad0w1and wrote:

for the metadata, as showed on the cover, it is the second track with a name of "movie ver."
we could not identify whether it is "eternal feather (movie ver.)" or "eternal feather movie ver." or anything else.
in the sense of not making up a false metadata, we want to make it safe and go with the original title "eternal feather" and add "movie ver." into tags.
because we can't just use "movie ver." as the song's name.

http://puu.sh/tRSK6/659d60a2f5.7z

Sonnyc wrote:

Hard.
01:19:409 - There is an existing vocal beat in the song. I'm not really sure if leaving this empty fits the song nicely. Other blanks like 01:22:853 had no vocals existing. You'll want to map here to keep consistency.

Pata-Mon wrote:

01:25:853 (5) - https://puu.sh/tScHK/ad2c66d5b3.png
01:26:298 (6) - https://puu.sh/tScI2/5d740af0ff.png
seems right...

Wafu wrote:

Please, follow the Code of Conduct regarding responding to mods. You haven't responded to the second issue mentioned in p/5801703
Take a look at that again and respond accordingly. When it comes to volume, it would also apply to the 00:03:187 - 00:10:075 - . What you're doing here makes a very little sense, I explained why in the previous post.

If "i do not like muted sliderend anyways" was the response, this is not a sufficient justification of why it's not an issue. I explained why that matters, I don't need to know if you like one of many possible solutions. Mute might mean just to lower the volume to some extent, not necessarily completely, but these are 2 options already, the third option is to map it in a different way that would avoid mapping what really isn't in the song. Treat this as an issue and respond accordingly either solving the problem or giving an argument that would prove mine wrong, thank you.

Shad0w1and wrote:

I have ranked a lot of maps with these sliders, I do not think anyone got a problem with it. muted sliderend does not make any sense to me for most of the time, and unmuted ones do not against the rule. I explained I prefer not to mute that at this situation.

Wafu wrote:

Shad0w1and wrote:

I have ranked a lot of maps with these sliders, I do not think anyone got a problem with it. muted sliderend does not make any sense to me for most of the time, and unmuted ones do not against the rule. I explained I prefer not to mute that at this situation.

Previously ranked maps are not a thing considered during the qualification process. If muting sliderends doesn't make sense to you, I could also say that mapping nothing doesn't make sense. I agree the way these sliders play is relatively fine, but mapping an inaudible sound makes it appropriate to at least change the volume to some sensible levels. Same as you wouldn't set 100% volume in a quiet section and 5% volume in a loud section, you shouldn't set the same volume for something that is audible and something that is inaudible. Especially not when the rhythmical structure makes it sound like a completely insensible rhythm. If the song had these kinds of rhythms, it could be overlooked and wouldn't feel off, but the song doesn't use this rhythm in any single place.

Shad0w1and wrote:

muted sliderend to me is considered poor quality mapping. you can't force me to believe what you believe is right.
I am telling you that in my theory, players should always expect an hitnormal from the sliderend.

1. Part 00:03:187 - to 00:10:075 - is using many prolonged sliders that do not end on any sound. While I don't consider that a big issue, it doesn't make a sense for it to give the same feedback as objects that are actually mapped to the music. Therefore, the volume should be adjusted accordingly. This is a minor change, but can easily improve the quality of the map and give a more pleasant feedback. The sliders end on such places that create rhythms that are not usual in music and are rather random, making it sound confusing for that reason. Lowering the volume would be enough.
2. 01:07:631 (1,2,3) - Very similar to above. Adjusting the volume would be just enough to prevent this problem.
3. 00:06:520 - This sound doesn't need to be ignored as it's quite more significant than 00:06:631 - .
4. 00:06:742 (1) - This object is significantly off-beat. It is about 30ms earlier than it's supposed to be.
5. 00:07:186 (2) - Same as above. The circle is about 30ms earlier.
6. 00:08:075 (5) - Same as above, although the circle is delayed now. It's later about 20ms.
7. 00:08:521 (1) - This slider is way too early. It's about 80ms earlier than any peak sound in the song.
8. The part 00:03:187 - to 00:10:075 - is using quite loud sliderticks, I would say they should be a bit lower in volume. They're probably as significant as hitnormals, this should be a bit more balanced.
9. 00:19:187 (1) - The change from constant 1/1 spam doesn't seem to make much sense here. The swap strictly to the strings seems to be rather random.
10. 00:35:186 (1,1) - These sliders don't seem to be snapped to the vocals correctly. As there are only vocals (and violin that starts after them), you'll need to fix the timing here because it's a clickable object. There are many more, I recommend you to go through the whole vocal part to check any inaccuracies.
11. While the spinners 02:04:202 (1,1,1) - were made to end on actual sounds, 02:07:938 (1,1,1) - suddenly started to ignore it. It would be more sensible to keep it consistent and fit to the song.

1. There is relatively a big issue regarding the spread. The Hard difficulty is primarily based on a lot of clicking, it contains 140 circles and 122 sliders, Normal contains 31 circles. Hard utilizes 1/1, 1/2 and 1/4 patterns and all of them actively in a relatively significant count. Meanwhile, the Normal is quite constantly filled with 1/1 patterns and several 1/2 patterns, most of which not consisting of circles. That means Normal is introducing 1/2 rhythms, but Hard is already a pretty advanced difficulty that doesn't introduce 1/4 rhythms, it is significantly filled with them which means that you are expected to be skilled in 1/4 patterns. Such a big gap in technique usage is not a sign of a good spread. I could advise making Normal a bit harder, using more 1/2 patterns and much more circles.
2. The structure could look a lot more polished, but that's not my concern now.

Wafu wrote:

Had a discussion with Bakari and Okorin and I got a sort of an agreement with them. There were some more things mentioned and we mostly agreed that ignoring all of the possible options makes a little sense here. I won't speak for them to avoid inaccuracies, they're free to come here with their own version. Here are some issues that were brought up during the discussion, or whatever I noticed after a more thorough inspection of the map.

Red = Not allowed/potentionally causing DQ
Bold = Mostly important, partially subjective, address this properly
Regular = Subjective opinion, try it out but don't obey my opinion if yours is essentially different

[Hard]

1. Part 00:03:187 - to 00:10:075 - is using many prolonged sliders that do not end on any sound. While I don't consider that a big issue, it doesn't make a sense for it to give the same feedback as objects that are actually mapped to the music. Therefore, the volume should be adjusted accordingly. This is a minor change, but can easily improve the quality of the map and give a more pleasant feedback. The sliders end on such places that create rhythms that are not usual in music and are rather random, making it sound confusing for that reason. Lowering the volume would be enough.
2. 01:07:631 (1,2,3) - Very similar to above. Adjusting the volume would be just enough to prevent this problem.
3. 00:06:520 - This sound doesn't need to be ignored as it's quite more significant than 00:06:631 - .
4. 00:06:742 (1) - This object is significantly off-beat. It is about 30ms earlier than it's supposed to be.
5. 00:07:186 (2) - Same as above. The circle is about 30ms earlier.
6. 00:08:075 (5) - Same as above, although the circle is delayed now. It's later about 20ms.
7. 00:08:521 (1) - This slider is way too early. It's about 80ms earlier than any peak sound in the song.
8. The part 00:03:187 - to 00:10:075 - is using quite loud sliderticks, I would say they should be a bit lower in volume. They're probably as significant as hitnormals, this should be a bit more balanced.
9. 00:19:187 (1) - The change from constant 1/1 spam doesn't seem to make much sense here. The swap strictly to the strings seems to be rather random.
10. 00:35:186 (1,1) - These sliders don't seem to be snapped to the vocals correctly. As there are only vocals (and violin that starts after them), you'll need to fix the timing here because it's a clickable object. There are many more, I recommend you to go through the whole vocal part to check any inaccuracies.
11. While the spinners 02:04:202 (1,1,1) - were made to end on actual sounds, 02:07:938 (1,1,1) - suddenly started to ignore it. It would be more sensible to keep it consistent and fit to the song.

[Pata-Mon's Normal]

1. There is relatively a big issue regarding the spread. The Hard difficulty is primarily based on a lot of clicking, it contains 140 circles and 122 sliders, Normal contains 31 circles. Hard utilizes 1/1, 1/2 and 1/4 patterns and all of them actively in a relatively significant count. Meanwhile, the Normal is quite constantly filled with 1/1 patterns and several 1/2 patterns, most of which not consisting of circles. That means Normal is introducing 1/2 rhythms, but Hard is already a pretty advanced difficulty that doesn't introduce 1/4 rhythms, it is significantly filled with them which means that you are expected to be skilled in 1/4 patterns. Such a big gap in technique usage is not a sign of a good spread. I could advise making Normal a bit harder, using more 1/2 patterns and much more circles.
2. The structure could look a lot more polished, but that's not my concern now.

Generally, most of the custom hitsounds are nearly inaudible, making almost no impression. I highly recommend you to take a look at the volume of the files. I tried to increase the volume by a bit and it sounded much more rich than currently. Didn't even notice most of the hitsounds before. It's up to you, but it's still an issue that the hitsounds are barely audible.

Popping this because there are some unrankable issues and other major issues that could be harmlessly fixed. Please, try to answer every point accordingly with proper and sufficient reasoning. Good luck.

3187,461.538461538462,4,2,1,40,1,0
5956,405.405405405405,4,2,1,40,1,0
6766,454.545454545455,4,2,1,40,1,0
7220,759.493670886076,4,2,1,40,1,0
7409,674.157303370787,4,2,1,40,1,0
7746,615.384615384615,4,2,1,40,1,0
8053,500,4,2,1,40,1,0
8303,612.244897959184,4,2,1,40,1,0
8609,422.535211267606,4,2,1,40,1,0
10298,444.444444444444,4,2,1,40,1,0

Shad0w1and wrote:

no change for now, as we could not control the sound produce errors. when the actual red line is correct, and certain instruments got slightly unsnapped, we go with the intended rhythm instead of adding a new line. this type of issues i have discussed a lot in my previous map sets. when they does not affect playing, we go with the intended rhythm.

Shad0w1and wrote:

gap is fine. btw

Shad0w1and wrote:

regarding the sliderend, I believe I have explained to you enough. reduced volume for sliderend is not a option for me on mapping, they are either muted or with full sound, when sliderends are not overlapping or stacking with the next item, in my theory they should have their full volume. this is not a big issue because we just have a different theory.

Generally, most of the custom hitsounds are nearly inaudible, making almost no impression. I highly recommend you to take a look at the volume of the files.