we talked about DS n SV n stuff
17:15 - G I D Z -: hey
17:15 Yahuri: hi
17:15 - G I D Z -: I posted in ur queue
17:15 Yahuri: gotcha
17:15 Yahuri: ill DL it now
17:15 - G I D Z -: k
17:16 Yahuri: im gonna testplay, spectate if you wish
17:16 - G I D Z -: kk
17:21 - G I D Z -: lol shaky hands?
17:21 Yahuri: idk
17:22 Yahuri: ive been mapping more than playing recently lol
17:22 - G I D Z -: same
17:23 Yahuri: well during the play
17:23 Yahuri: i noticed a lot of places where there couldve been jumps
17:23 Yahuri: but there werent
17:23 - G I D Z -: cuz I dun wanna spam jumps
17:23 - G I D Z -: if u look at the description of my map lol
17:24 Yahuri: true, but if you look here
17:24 Yahuri: 01:24:343 (2,1) - this is the start of the kiai and the jump is just barely there
17:25 Yahuri: even the buildup has some stronger jumps
17:25 - G I D Z -: the Kiai is actually less intense
17:25 - G I D Z -: it calmed down after the build up imo
17:26 Yahuri: ok, but i think at least just the beginning should have a bigger impact
17:27 Yahuri: cymbal crash is really loud
17:27 - G I D Z -: isnt that the point of a crash cymbol lol
17:27 - G I D Z -: if u mean volume wise
17:28 - G I D Z -: I dun think its that loud? o.o
17:28 Yahuri: i mean that the cymbal crash intensity could use a larger jump
17:28 - G I D Z -: oh
17:28 Yahuri: also this is pretty large compared to the start as well 01:32:743 (4,5) -
17:30 Yahuri: 01:32:893 (5,6,7,8) - make DS of 5-6 larger or about the same start-of-slider distance cuz having it lower doesnt really make sense
17:30 Yahuri: *lower than 6-7-8
17:31 - G I D Z -: ok
17:31 - G I D Z -: done
17:32 Yahuri: 01:45:193 (5,6,7) - DS might confuse people, 5-6 is pretty large but then 6-7 is lower with a 1/2 beat spacing
17:33 Yahuri: but if you dont want to change DS, find some other visual indication to make it easier to read
17:33 - G I D Z -: ok
17:33 - G I D Z -: I kinda moved 6 to slider end
17:33 - G I D Z -: of slider 5
17:34 Yahuri: ok
17:35 Yahuri: 01:50:893 (1,2) - 01:48:493 (1,1) - these both have the same lyrics, so why not make the patterns the same as well?
17:36 - G I D Z -: lower pitch on 01:50:893 (1,2) -
17:37 Yahuri: yeah but its relative
17:37 Yahuri: the pitch doesnt change much from 01:50:893 (1,2) -
17:37 - G I D Z -: its like an octav lower lol
17:37 Yahuri: i meant
17:38 Yahuri: from 1 to 2
17:38 - G I D Z -: oh
17:38 - G I D Z -: hmm
17:38 Yahuri: naaaaa--nnn
17:38 - G I D Z -: yea
17:40 - G I D Z -: ok
17:40 - G I D Z -: made something similar to 01:48:493 (1,1) -
17:41 Yahuri: 02:00:493 (1,2,3) - dont like the flow here very much, the angle is pretty wide from 1-2-3, and then 3 flows down rather than up
17:41 - G I D Z -: lol
17:42 - G I D Z -: I fixed that while u were looking at another pattern
17:42 - G I D Z -: I felt that it had weird flow too
17:42 Yahuri: lol
17:42 - G I D Z -: :p
17:42 Yahuri: 02:21:193 (2,3,4,1) - DS confusing, relative same DS but different timing
17:43 - G I D Z -: fixedf
17:44 - G I D Z -: moved it on the right of 02:21:193 (2,3) - to make triangle shape
17:44 Yahuri: ok
17:45 Yahuri: 03:06:193 - i think this should have a click on it, vocals are somewhat strong and extended
17:46 Yahuri: ^ deserves click more than this i think 03:06:343 (4)
17:46 - G I D Z -: trying to emphasize drums there
17:46 Yahuri: well 4 isnt a drum
17:47 Yahuri: but the end of reverse 3 is
17:47 Yahuri: :p
17:47 - G I D Z -: it actually is a ghost snare note
17:47 - G I D Z -: same for 03:06:793 (6,7) -
17:47 Yahuri: isnt that just hi-hat?
17:47 Yahuri: for 4, i mean
17:48 - G I D Z -: nop
17:48 Yahuri: if you say so lol
17:48 - G I D Z -: 16 beat makes no sense in the song lol
17:48 Yahuri: ?
17:48 - G I D Z -: so Im sure the drummer is on a 8 beat rhythm
17:49 - G I D Z -: I mean the beat the drummer is playing
17:49 Yahuri: this is in 4/4 tho
17:50 - G I D Z -: nvm lo
17:51 - G I D Z -: 8 beat is also in 4/4
17:51 - G I D Z -: its a drum thing dw
17:51 Yahuri: lol
17:51 - G I D Z -: even if its a hi-hat
17:52 Yahuri: 03:21:493 - this note is stronger than the start of the slider, make click
17:52 - G I D Z -: I think its important to emphasize it as it is the main leading rhythm for the drums
17:52 Yahuri: ok
17:53 - G I D Z -: ok
17:53 - G I D Z -: added note
17:53 - G I D Z -: deleted 03:21:643 -
17:53 Yahuri: 03:22:543 (4) - this is not snare, remove clap
17:53 - G I D Z -: ops
17:53 - G I D Z -: k
17:55 Yahuri: 03:36:943 (2) - same (i think)
17:55 - G I D Z -: its feint
17:55 - G I D Z -: but its there lol
17:55 Yahuri: 03:40:093 (4,5,6,7,8) - DS of 4-5 very low compared to 5-6-7-8
17:57 - G I D Z -: fixed
17:57 Yahuri: 03:43:093 (1,3,1) - make striaght line with the start of these for aesthetics?
17:57 Yahuri: 03:47:893 (1,2,3,4) - why is 1 the only slider with a different angle
17:58 - G I D Z -: k
17:58 - G I D Z -: oops
17:58 - G I D Z -: fixed
17:59 Yahuri: 04:21:493 (2,3,4,1) - parallelogram for aesthetics OR make straight line with 4-3-1
18:00 - G I D Z -: 04:21:493 (2,3,4) - Move it away to the left a bit to make triangle with 04:21:643 (3,4,1) -
18:02 Yahuri: back to beginning cuz i skipped right to the kiai lol
18:03 - G I D Z -: lel
18:04 Yahuri: 00:53:293 (1,1) - looks a bit messy, could be a blanket but it isnt
18:05 Yahuri: 01:07:543 (5,1) - make jump DS same as 01:08:743 (5,1) - ?
18:05 Yahuri: 01:09:793 (6,1) - same
18:06 - G I D Z -: fixed blanket
18:07 - G I D Z -: 01:07:543 (5,1,2,3) - Theres more of a burst in this part compared with 01:08:743 (5,1) - imo
18:07 Yahuri: ahh
18:07 Yahuri: gotcha
18:09 Yahuri: anyways thats pretty much it
18:09 - G I D Z -: ok
18:09 - G I D Z -: tks for helpful mod \:D/
18:09 Yahuri: ending thoughts: sometimes DS and changing slider velocity makes it hard to read
18:09 - G I D Z -: pls post for kds ~
18:09 Yahuri: alrighty
18:09 - G I D Z -: I think its mostly the beginning
18:10 - G I D Z -: I mapped this some time ago so yea
18:10 Yahuri: XD
18:10 - G I D Z -: when I was still crazy about SV changes ;-;
18:10 Yahuri: its interesting, but work on the implementation more
18:10 - G I D Z -: hmm
18:10 - G I D Z -: ellaborate?
18:11 Yahuri: like
18:11 Yahuri: make sure they make sense
18:11 - G I D Z -: ah
18:11 - G I D Z -: yea
18:11 Yahuri: and make sure that the visual patterns you use are good indicators of where they are timing-wise
17:15 Yahuri: hi
17:15 - G I D Z -: I posted in ur queue
17:15 Yahuri: gotcha
17:15 Yahuri: ill DL it now
17:15 - G I D Z -: k
17:16 Yahuri: im gonna testplay, spectate if you wish
17:16 - G I D Z -: kk
17:21 - G I D Z -: lol shaky hands?
17:21 Yahuri: idk
17:22 Yahuri: ive been mapping more than playing recently lol
17:22 - G I D Z -: same
17:23 Yahuri: well during the play
17:23 Yahuri: i noticed a lot of places where there couldve been jumps
17:23 Yahuri: but there werent
17:23 - G I D Z -: cuz I dun wanna spam jumps
17:23 - G I D Z -: if u look at the description of my map lol
17:24 Yahuri: true, but if you look here
17:24 Yahuri: 01:24:343 (2,1) - this is the start of the kiai and the jump is just barely there
17:25 Yahuri: even the buildup has some stronger jumps
17:25 - G I D Z -: the Kiai is actually less intense
17:25 - G I D Z -: it calmed down after the build up imo
17:26 Yahuri: ok, but i think at least just the beginning should have a bigger impact
17:27 Yahuri: cymbal crash is really loud
17:27 - G I D Z -: isnt that the point of a crash cymbol lol
17:27 - G I D Z -: if u mean volume wise
17:28 - G I D Z -: I dun think its that loud? o.o
17:28 Yahuri: i mean that the cymbal crash intensity could use a larger jump
17:28 - G I D Z -: oh
17:28 Yahuri: also this is pretty large compared to the start as well 01:32:743 (4,5) -
17:30 Yahuri: 01:32:893 (5,6,7,8) - make DS of 5-6 larger or about the same start-of-slider distance cuz having it lower doesnt really make sense
17:30 Yahuri: *lower than 6-7-8
17:31 - G I D Z -: ok
17:31 - G I D Z -: done
17:32 Yahuri: 01:45:193 (5,6,7) - DS might confuse people, 5-6 is pretty large but then 6-7 is lower with a 1/2 beat spacing
17:33 Yahuri: but if you dont want to change DS, find some other visual indication to make it easier to read
17:33 - G I D Z -: ok
17:33 - G I D Z -: I kinda moved 6 to slider end
17:33 - G I D Z -: of slider 5
17:34 Yahuri: ok
17:35 Yahuri: 01:50:893 (1,2) - 01:48:493 (1,1) - these both have the same lyrics, so why not make the patterns the same as well?
17:36 - G I D Z -: lower pitch on 01:50:893 (1,2) -
17:37 Yahuri: yeah but its relative
17:37 Yahuri: the pitch doesnt change much from 01:50:893 (1,2) -
17:37 - G I D Z -: its like an octav lower lol
17:37 Yahuri: i meant
17:38 Yahuri: from 1 to 2
17:38 - G I D Z -: oh
17:38 - G I D Z -: hmm
17:38 Yahuri: naaaaa--nnn
17:38 - G I D Z -: yea
17:40 - G I D Z -: ok
17:40 - G I D Z -: made something similar to 01:48:493 (1,1) -
17:41 Yahuri: 02:00:493 (1,2,3) - dont like the flow here very much, the angle is pretty wide from 1-2-3, and then 3 flows down rather than up
17:41 - G I D Z -: lol
17:42 - G I D Z -: I fixed that while u were looking at another pattern
17:42 - G I D Z -: I felt that it had weird flow too
17:42 Yahuri: lol
17:42 - G I D Z -: :p
17:42 Yahuri: 02:21:193 (2,3,4,1) - DS confusing, relative same DS but different timing
17:43 - G I D Z -: fixedf
17:44 - G I D Z -: moved it on the right of 02:21:193 (2,3) - to make triangle shape
17:44 Yahuri: ok
17:45 Yahuri: 03:06:193 - i think this should have a click on it, vocals are somewhat strong and extended
17:46 Yahuri: ^ deserves click more than this i think 03:06:343 (4)
17:46 - G I D Z -: trying to emphasize drums there
17:46 Yahuri: well 4 isnt a drum
17:47 Yahuri: but the end of reverse 3 is
17:47 Yahuri: :p
17:47 - G I D Z -: it actually is a ghost snare note
17:47 - G I D Z -: same for 03:06:793 (6,7) -
17:47 Yahuri: isnt that just hi-hat?
17:47 Yahuri: for 4, i mean
17:48 - G I D Z -: nop
17:48 Yahuri: if you say so lol
17:48 - G I D Z -: 16 beat makes no sense in the song lol
17:48 Yahuri: ?
17:48 - G I D Z -: so Im sure the drummer is on a 8 beat rhythm
17:49 - G I D Z -: I mean the beat the drummer is playing
17:49 Yahuri: this is in 4/4 tho
17:50 - G I D Z -: nvm lo
17:51 - G I D Z -: 8 beat is also in 4/4
17:51 - G I D Z -: its a drum thing dw
17:51 Yahuri: lol
17:51 - G I D Z -: even if its a hi-hat
17:52 Yahuri: 03:21:493 - this note is stronger than the start of the slider, make click
17:52 - G I D Z -: I think its important to emphasize it as it is the main leading rhythm for the drums
17:52 Yahuri: ok
17:53 - G I D Z -: ok
17:53 - G I D Z -: added note
17:53 - G I D Z -: deleted 03:21:643 -
17:53 Yahuri: 03:22:543 (4) - this is not snare, remove clap
17:53 - G I D Z -: ops
17:53 - G I D Z -: k
17:55 Yahuri: 03:36:943 (2) - same (i think)
17:55 - G I D Z -: its feint
17:55 - G I D Z -: but its there lol
17:55 Yahuri: 03:40:093 (4,5,6,7,8) - DS of 4-5 very low compared to 5-6-7-8
17:57 - G I D Z -: fixed
17:57 Yahuri: 03:43:093 (1,3,1) - make striaght line with the start of these for aesthetics?
17:57 Yahuri: 03:47:893 (1,2,3,4) - why is 1 the only slider with a different angle
17:58 - G I D Z -: k
17:58 - G I D Z -: oops
17:58 - G I D Z -: fixed
17:59 Yahuri: 04:21:493 (2,3,4,1) - parallelogram for aesthetics OR make straight line with 4-3-1
18:00 - G I D Z -: 04:21:493 (2,3,4) - Move it away to the left a bit to make triangle with 04:21:643 (3,4,1) -
18:02 Yahuri: back to beginning cuz i skipped right to the kiai lol
18:03 - G I D Z -: lel
18:04 Yahuri: 00:53:293 (1,1) - looks a bit messy, could be a blanket but it isnt
18:05 Yahuri: 01:07:543 (5,1) - make jump DS same as 01:08:743 (5,1) - ?
18:05 Yahuri: 01:09:793 (6,1) - same
18:06 - G I D Z -: fixed blanket
18:07 - G I D Z -: 01:07:543 (5,1,2,3) - Theres more of a burst in this part compared with 01:08:743 (5,1) - imo
18:07 Yahuri: ahh
18:07 Yahuri: gotcha
18:09 Yahuri: anyways thats pretty much it
18:09 - G I D Z -: ok
18:09 - G I D Z -: tks for helpful mod \:D/
18:09 Yahuri: ending thoughts: sometimes DS and changing slider velocity makes it hard to read
18:09 - G I D Z -: pls post for kds ~
18:09 Yahuri: alrighty
18:09 - G I D Z -: I think its mostly the beginning
18:10 - G I D Z -: I mapped this some time ago so yea
18:10 Yahuri: XD
18:10 - G I D Z -: when I was still crazy about SV changes ;-;
18:10 Yahuri: its interesting, but work on the implementation more
18:10 - G I D Z -: hmm
18:10 - G I D Z -: ellaborate?
18:11 Yahuri: like
18:11 Yahuri: make sure they make sense
18:11 - G I D Z -: ah
18:11 - G I D Z -: yea
18:11 Yahuri: and make sure that the visual patterns you use are good indicators of where they are timing-wise