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Halozy - Genryuu Kaiko [CatchTheBeat|OsuMania|Osu|Taiko]
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Topic Starter
Topic Starter
git gudjakads wrote:
too hard smh
I can't even pass this in HT D:jakads wrote:
too hard smh
May whatever Gods you pray to have mercy upon you.
Because Weber will not.
Because Weber will not.
#RankHarderMaps2k16
this is a perfect example
this is a perfect example
MBomb
dareni
[filthy self mod]
00:04:046 (4) - Whilst I understand using a smaller distance than 2 for the lower pitch, I still think this is strong enough for a 1.00x distance snap. x:272, maybe?
00:49:306 (2) - Slightly higher distance would be nice to this, maybe x:128? Currently feels kinda small, which I know was intentional for distance to be same as slider speed but I think it'd flow a little nicer here.
01:15:144 (3) - Increased distance to this for the cymbal sound here would be nice, like a 1.20x snap with the slider curved a bit to keep current flow afterwards.
01:49:826 (1) - x:104 would be nice here, the high pitch change calls for a higher distance in my eyes, so the current same distance here feels odd to me.
02:41:156 (3) - Distance to this feels kinda small, try x:200 instead?
03:34:740 (4) - Not a fan of how this feels forced against the wall. Maybe just make the direction different here, and do x:288.
04:23:815 (3,4) - Higher distancing could be nice here too, especially for a buildup towards the end of the kiai. I like moving this section to x:152.
04:58:497 (1,2,1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - Move this entire part to the right a tiny bit for emphasis on the start of this, because the strong pitch change should be emphasised more with a stronger distance. A distance like x:248 works nice.
That's it.
[filthy self mod]
00:04:046 (4) - Whilst I understand using a smaller distance than 2 for the lower pitch, I still think this is strong enough for a 1.00x distance snap. x:272, maybe?
00:49:306 (2) - Slightly higher distance would be nice to this, maybe x:128? Currently feels kinda small, which I know was intentional for distance to be same as slider speed but I think it'd flow a little nicer here.
01:15:144 (3) - Increased distance to this for the cymbal sound here would be nice, like a 1.20x snap with the slider curved a bit to keep current flow afterwards.
01:49:826 (1) - x:104 would be nice here, the high pitch change calls for a higher distance in my eyes, so the current same distance here feels odd to me.
02:41:156 (3) - Distance to this feels kinda small, try x:200 instead?
03:34:740 (4) - Not a fan of how this feels forced against the wall. Maybe just make the direction different here, and do x:288.
04:23:815 (3,4) - Higher distancing could be nice here too, especially for a buildup towards the end of the kiai. I like moving this section to x:152.
04:58:497 (1,2,1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - Move this entire part to the right a tiny bit for emphasis on the start of this, because the strong pitch change should be emphasised more with a stronger distance. A distance like x:248 works nice.
That's it.
MBomb modding holy what year is it
Thanks for the suggestions!- Magic Bomb - wrote:
dareni fixed
[filthy self mod]
00:04:046 (4) - Whilst I understand using a smaller distance than 2 for the lower pitch, I still think this is strong enough for a 1.00x distance snap. x:272, maybe? Moved 00:01:618 (1,2,3) - left instead so as to avoid weirdly low spacing to the next note
00:49:306 (2) - Slightly higher distance would be nice to this, maybe x:128? Currently feels kinda small, which I know was intentional for distance to be same as slider speed but I think it'd flow a little nicer here. For the 1/2 spacing, sure, 1.0x is a bit of a flowbreaker
01:15:144 (3) - Increased distance to this for the cymbal sound here would be nice, like a 1.20x snap with the slider curved a bit to keep current flow afterwards. Yippee
01:49:826 (1) - x:104 would be nice here, the high pitch change calls for a higher distance in my eyes, so the current same distance here feels odd to me. Fair enough
02:41:156 (3) - Distance to this feels kinda small, try x:200 instead? Done, but also curved a little to avoid too high a spacing to the next note
03:34:740 (4) - Not a fan of how this feels forced against the wall. Maybe just make the direction different here, and do x:288. Antiflow seemed a bit forced here for me, so I decided to just move all of 03:32:485 (1,2,3,4,1,2) - left slightly instead
04:23:815 (3,4) - Higher distancing could be nice here too, especially for a buildup towards the end of the kiai. I like moving this section to x:152. Sure thing
04:58:497 (1,2,1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - Move this entire part to the right a tiny bit for emphasis on the start of this, because the strong pitch change should be emphasised more with a stronger distance. A distance like x:248 works nice. Done, and also buffed a few other spacings a tiny bit here to help that
That's it.
thing
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TitleUnicode:源流懐古
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Source:東方Project
Tags:Source of Nostalgia Comiket79 cosmic armonica sumijun すみじゅん kumarisu eastnewsound くまりす hotaru ほたる higan retour kikou 彼岸帰航 riverside view komachi onozuka touhou Kaeidzuka Phantasmagoria of Flower View 東方花映塚 Gezo JBHyperion Magic Bomb Julie
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Topic Starter
can you two get a room please
hot
PLS Ultra Legendaryu Kaiko is better
Topic Starter
nMapper wrote:
PLS Ultra Legendaryu Kaiko is better
Topic Starter
im about to croak waitingAyyri wrote:
What the heck frog man? :c
who dares to set the star and not bubbling this :<
From #modreqs, offline #modreqs, server discord and even Fetish's map, geez
Taiko, CtB and Mania diffs feel fine for me. Testplayed all of them and gave a look in the editor.
Even if I'm not a pro at all of them I guess I can say they're fine as they are :p
From #modreqs, offline #modreqs, server discord and even Fetish's map, geez
irc logs
11:35 MrSergio: http://mrsergio.s-ul.eu/YBXIz0qu
11:36 Weber: w
11:36 Weber: wh
11:36 Weber: is that it
11:36 MrSergio: your mod
11:37 Weber: I know, but is that ALL there is
11:37 MrSergio: gotta check the other modes
11:37 MrSergio: for you, yes
11:37 Weber: damn
11:37 Weber: AWESOME
11:37 Weber: cheers
11:41 Weber: so basically you want a repeat of 02:59:190 (1,2,3) - right afterwards
11:41 MrSergio: nope, the opposite way around
11:41 Weber: because its basically the same music
11:42 MrSergio: since you use that rhythm in the next 2 measures after those 2 measures
11:42 MrSergio: wait, let me give you the link
11:42 MrSergio: basically use 03:04:740 (1) - for 02:59:190 (1,2) -
11:43 MrSergio: since you later on use 02:59:190 (1,2) - again as a constant of 2 measures: 03:10:289 (1,2) - 03:15:838 (1,2) -
11:44 MrSergio: so as I see it 02:59:190 (1,2,3,1,2) - is the first part (made of 2 similar patterns) and 03:10:289 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - is again another part (madeo of 2 similar patterns once again)
11:46 MrSergio: I guess I made it sound more complex than it actually is
11:48 Weber: alright
11:48 Weber: seems good
12:00 MrSergio: oh damn
12:00 MrSergio: I forgot to check PM
12:00 MrSergio: enable widescreen on every diff
12:01 Weber: i thought widescreen was for SB maps
12:02 MrSergio: yes, but it is enabled on taiko and mania
12:02 Weber: also
12:02 Weber: http://puu.sh/rDZ4x/b374e1e66e.jpg
12:02 Weber: >that tiny overlap
12:02 Weber: I wanna die
12:02 MrSergio: while it is not enabled on standard and on ctb
12:02 MrSergio: it has to be consistent, that's why
12:02 Weber: fair
12:02 Weber: ty 4 info
12:03 MrSergio: actually, I should have kept it in irc only...
12:03 MrSergio: I already made a post lmao
12:03 Weber: lol
12:03 MrSergio: I'll edit with irc logs once you update
12:07 Weber: honestly I'm having some difficulty implementing the second change without having the restructure the entire slow section again (fuck DS)
12:08 Weber: tbh I think I prefer having 02:59:190 (1,2,3) - as 2/1, 2/1 6/1 because my concept for making this section not boring as shit was: have 1st and 3rd 16/1 sections similar and have 2nd and 4th different to make it not look repetitive and lazy
12:08 MrSergio: wait, let me try doing something too
12:10 MrSergio: oh damn, that overlap is a pain
12:10 Weber: yeah
12:10 Weber: fml
12:10 Weber: LOL
12:10 Weber: I'm never doing easy diffs with this low of a SV ever again
12:10 Weber: EVER
12:11 MrSergio: wait, I have something
12:11 MrSergio: although it maybe needs some polishing
12:12 MrSergio: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/6290840
12:13 Weber: won't that overlap into 03:04:740 (1) - as well
12:13 MrSergio: duh
12:13 MrSergio: let me do something then
12:14 MrSergio: shit, it's not going as planned
12:14 Weber: zz
12:14 Weber: n e v e r
12:14 Weber: a g a i n
12:15 Weber: honestly I feel as though it's fine as is, but if you can make an alternative work then I'm fine with it
12:15 MrSergio: found
12:17 MrSergio: [http://mrsergio.s-ul.eu/0VXcmSTe 1] [http://mrsergio.s-ul.eu/1CppGSvo 2]
12:17 MrSergio: is it good enough now?
12:18 MrSergio: no overlap whatsoever and it keeps DS
12:18 MrSergio: I can give you the code directly if you want
12:18 Weber: oh yeah
12:18 Weber: that slider looks sick
12:18 MrSergio: do you have better options? =w=
12:19 Weber: not really LOL
12:19 Weber: yeah sure, chuck the code over
12:19 MrSergio: http://pastebin.com/TYrRaT5E
12:20 MrSergio: 02:56:416 (3,4) - I didn't move these, so the code I sent you should be enough
12:20 MrSergio: in case there is a little DS discrepancy just move those 2 circles a bit
12:21 MrSergio: oh shit, I saved the .osu without hitsounds on the last slider
12:21 Weber: thanks for the help man
12:21 Weber: appreciate it
12:21 Weber: z
12:21 Weber: just send the whole .osu
12:22 Weber: easier for me :p
12:22 MrSergio: just put a whistle on 03:01:965 (3) - 's head =3=
12:22 MrSergio: that's the only missing hitsound
12:22 MrSergio: nvm, you need a whistle on 03:00:578 - too
12:22 MrSergio: and it's good to go
12:26 MrSergio: let me know when you update
12:31 Weber: alright
12:31 Weber: updated
12:31 Weber: oh wait
12:31 Weber: shit
12:31 MrSergio: ?
12:31 Weber: forgot the widescreen
12:31 MrSergio: gg
12:33 Weber: OK WE'RE GOOD NOW
12:34 MrSergio: good
11:36 Weber: w
11:36 Weber: wh
11:36 Weber: is that it
11:36 MrSergio: your mod
11:37 Weber: I know, but is that ALL there is
11:37 MrSergio: gotta check the other modes
11:37 MrSergio: for you, yes
11:37 Weber: damn
11:37 Weber: AWESOME
11:37 Weber: cheers
11:41 Weber: so basically you want a repeat of 02:59:190 (1,2,3) - right afterwards
11:41 MrSergio: nope, the opposite way around
11:41 Weber: because its basically the same music
11:42 MrSergio: since you use that rhythm in the next 2 measures after those 2 measures
11:42 MrSergio: wait, let me give you the link
11:42 MrSergio: basically use 03:04:740 (1) - for 02:59:190 (1,2) -
11:43 MrSergio: since you later on use 02:59:190 (1,2) - again as a constant of 2 measures: 03:10:289 (1,2) - 03:15:838 (1,2) -
11:44 MrSergio: so as I see it 02:59:190 (1,2,3,1,2) - is the first part (made of 2 similar patterns) and 03:10:289 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - is again another part (madeo of 2 similar patterns once again)
11:46 MrSergio: I guess I made it sound more complex than it actually is
11:48 Weber: alright
11:48 Weber: seems good
12:00 MrSergio: oh damn
12:00 MrSergio: I forgot to check PM
12:00 MrSergio: enable widescreen on every diff
12:01 Weber: i thought widescreen was for SB maps
12:02 MrSergio: yes, but it is enabled on taiko and mania
12:02 Weber: also
12:02 Weber: http://puu.sh/rDZ4x/b374e1e66e.jpg
12:02 Weber: >that tiny overlap
12:02 Weber: I wanna die
12:02 MrSergio: while it is not enabled on standard and on ctb
12:02 MrSergio: it has to be consistent, that's why
12:02 Weber: fair
12:02 Weber: ty 4 info
12:03 MrSergio: actually, I should have kept it in irc only...
12:03 MrSergio: I already made a post lmao
12:03 Weber: lol
12:03 MrSergio: I'll edit with irc logs once you update
12:07 Weber: honestly I'm having some difficulty implementing the second change without having the restructure the entire slow section again (fuck DS)
12:08 Weber: tbh I think I prefer having 02:59:190 (1,2,3) - as 2/1, 2/1 6/1 because my concept for making this section not boring as shit was: have 1st and 3rd 16/1 sections similar and have 2nd and 4th different to make it not look repetitive and lazy
12:08 MrSergio: wait, let me try doing something too
12:10 MrSergio: oh damn, that overlap is a pain
12:10 Weber: yeah
12:10 Weber: fml
12:10 Weber: LOL
12:10 Weber: I'm never doing easy diffs with this low of a SV ever again
12:10 Weber: EVER
12:11 MrSergio: wait, I have something
12:11 MrSergio: although it maybe needs some polishing
12:12 MrSergio: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/6290840
12:13 Weber: won't that overlap into 03:04:740 (1) - as well
12:13 MrSergio: duh
12:13 MrSergio: let me do something then
12:14 MrSergio: shit, it's not going as planned
12:14 Weber: zz
12:14 Weber: n e v e r
12:14 Weber: a g a i n
12:15 Weber: honestly I feel as though it's fine as is, but if you can make an alternative work then I'm fine with it
12:15 MrSergio: found
12:17 MrSergio: [http://mrsergio.s-ul.eu/0VXcmSTe 1] [http://mrsergio.s-ul.eu/1CppGSvo 2]
12:17 MrSergio: is it good enough now?
12:18 MrSergio: no overlap whatsoever and it keeps DS
12:18 MrSergio: I can give you the code directly if you want
12:18 Weber: oh yeah
12:18 Weber: that slider looks sick
12:18 MrSergio: do you have better options? =w=
12:19 Weber: not really LOL
12:19 Weber: yeah sure, chuck the code over
12:19 MrSergio: http://pastebin.com/TYrRaT5E
12:20 MrSergio: 02:56:416 (3,4) - I didn't move these, so the code I sent you should be enough
12:20 MrSergio: in case there is a little DS discrepancy just move those 2 circles a bit
12:21 MrSergio: oh shit, I saved the .osu without hitsounds on the last slider
12:21 Weber: thanks for the help man
12:21 Weber: appreciate it
12:21 Weber: z
12:21 Weber: just send the whole .osu
12:22 Weber: easier for me :p
12:22 MrSergio: just put a whistle on 03:01:965 (3) - 's head =3=
12:22 MrSergio: that's the only missing hitsound
12:22 MrSergio: nvm, you need a whistle on 03:00:578 - too
12:22 MrSergio: and it's good to go
12:26 MrSergio: let me know when you update
12:31 Weber: alright
12:31 Weber: updated
12:31 Weber: oh wait
12:31 Weber: shit
12:31 MrSergio: ?
12:31 Weber: forgot the widescreen
12:31 MrSergio: gg
12:33 Weber: OK WE'RE GOOD NOW
12:34 MrSergio: good
Taiko, CtB and Mania diffs feel fine for me. Testplayed all of them and gave a look in the editor.
Even if I'm not a pro at all of them I guess I can say they're fine as they are :p
Topic Starter
screaming
Man Sergio is such a nice guy
Oh god, this is happening
Im a god.MrSergio wrote:
even Fetish's map, geez
If I was still BN, this would be a bubble pop. I'll repeat it again, the stuff in the CTB diff, namely the overdone rhythms for a cup difficulty such as 01:22:081 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - are definitely not acceptable. I'm sure JBH knows this well, but that is way too dense for the level of player this difficulty is aimed at. I pointed it out previously, and it seems it was completely ignored by the person whose section it was. I'd highly appreciate if this was given a valid response than what was given. If this type of pattern was allowed for cups, we'd see a much more dense representation of lower diffs across all ctb mapsets. Please don't break the curve just because the movement is low.
MBomb
1/2 rhythm is fine in a cup if not used excessively, and this is nowhere near excessive, this density is used 4 times throughout the whole of a 5 minute map, and you know it's fine, you're just overreacting in a way to try and avoid this going anywhere, for whatever reason.Ascendance wrote:
If I was still BN, this would be a bubble pop. I'll repeat it again, the stuff in the CTB diff, namely the overdone rhythms for a cup difficulty such as 01:22:081 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - are definitely not acceptable. I'm sure JBH knows this well, but that is way too dense for the level of player this difficulty is aimed at. I pointed it out previously, and it seems it was completely ignored by the person whose section it was. I'd highly appreciate if this was given a valid response than what was given. If this type of pattern was allowed for cups, we'd see a much more dense representation of lower diffs across all ctb mapsets. Please don't break the curve just because the movement is low.
I'm not super appreciative of the accusation that I'm trying to prevent this map from going anywhere. If I had malicious intent, I would have done this in qualified or something. I'm fine with the map except for the streams I've pointed out, which I feel are a major quality concern. The pattern being used sparingly is NOT reinforced by the RC. It says "using 1/2 notes sparingly", not patterns. The frequency of it is not a concern, nor a valid reason for keeping the pattern. As I said, I'd strongly encourage making these stream patterns less dense by thinning out the rhythm.
gonna throw my thoughts as well
hmm tbh i find those 1/2 8 notes are weird because you assume the diff as a Cup. i already read your thought that saying 1/2 for 8 notes are fine due the bpm isnt high.. you should know too that 173 bpm isnt low so at least for me i feel the rhythm is overdone. if you keep insist 1/2 at least please try to reduce it.. 4 notes for me look better rather than 8 notes but i assume you following vocal too much so yeah. i only write that im thinking about the pattern
also for me 1/4 of 05:00:925 (3,4,5,6,7) - is overdone as well because as we know Cup diff should have easy rhythms for able to follow by newbies imo.. as t/435598&start=0 it says as well "Note density should follow a mostly 1/1 pattern - 1/2 and/or 1/3 patterns can be used sparingly" so imo 1/4 isnt acceptable
just imagine this map last year got DQ due rhythm issues, example 00:49:202 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - in Cup used 1/2 of 7 notes (altho the bpm is higher than this map) but i think newbies wont have such as that fast respond to catch 1/2 of 8 notes, their respond are quite slow
ok thats all desu
hmm tbh i find those 1/2 8 notes are weird because you assume the diff as a Cup. i already read your thought that saying 1/2 for 8 notes are fine due the bpm isnt high.. you should know too that 173 bpm isnt low so at least for me i feel the rhythm is overdone. if you keep insist 1/2 at least please try to reduce it.. 4 notes for me look better rather than 8 notes but i assume you following vocal too much so yeah. i only write that im thinking about the pattern
also for me 1/4 of 05:00:925 (3,4,5,6,7) - is overdone as well because as we know Cup diff should have easy rhythms for able to follow by newbies imo.. as t/435598&start=0 it says as well "Note density should follow a mostly 1/1 pattern - 1/2 and/or 1/3 patterns can be used sparingly" so imo 1/4 isnt acceptable
just imagine this map last year got DQ due rhythm issues, example 00:49:202 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - in Cup used 1/2 of 7 notes (altho the bpm is higher than this map) but i think newbies wont have such as that fast respond to catch 1/2 of 8 notes, their respond are quite slow
ok thats all desu
Since JBH asked me so nicely, why not.
To be completely honest, the 1/2 circle streams in the first and the second kiai doesn't fit too well. Compare the intensity of the song at those points with 03:43:583 - and 04:50:173 - its difference is clearly distinguishable, with the last 2 kiai being much more stronger than the first 2 (you can notice instrument's verse has became much more intense). So I would instead make the 1/2 streams in the first 2 kiai much more simpler, something like this. Even the 3rd kiai's 1/2 stream should be adjusted accordingly; while it is much more intense than the previous kiais, the consistent 8-note streams in all the choruses doesn't give a musical difference - assuming that you will follow my suggestion above, I would make a double-triplet rhythm like this, or even a triplet to 5-plet rhythm like this.
For the 1/4 5-plet, we all know that high-density rhythms like this really gets cluttered in lower AR, and it isn't too pleasant to see. Plus, for cup players, cluttered notes can be a 'surprise' element for them, which might result in panic misses. So I think 1/4 shouldn't be used, and instead 1/2 circle stream should be used in place of 1/4.
To be completely honest, the 1/2 circle streams in the first and the second kiai doesn't fit too well. Compare the intensity of the song at those points with 03:43:583 - and 04:50:173 - its difference is clearly distinguishable, with the last 2 kiai being much more stronger than the first 2 (you can notice instrument's verse has became much more intense). So I would instead make the 1/2 streams in the first 2 kiai much more simpler, something like this. Even the 3rd kiai's 1/2 stream should be adjusted accordingly; while it is much more intense than the previous kiais, the consistent 8-note streams in all the choruses doesn't give a musical difference - assuming that you will follow my suggestion above, I would make a double-triplet rhythm like this, or even a triplet to 5-plet rhythm like this.
For the 1/4 5-plet, we all know that high-density rhythms like this really gets cluttered in lower AR, and it isn't too pleasant to see. Plus, for cup players, cluttered notes can be a 'surprise' element for them, which might result in panic misses. So I think 1/4 shouldn't be used, and instead 1/2 circle stream should be used in place of 1/4.
Topic Starter
wtf jbh lied to me, ctb bns exist
but seriously, thank you for the opinions
but seriously, thank you for the opinions
sc4's suggestions are nice. My personal suggestion (if we're looking at the current 8-note pattern) would be keeping 1,2,3,5,7,8. Those keep all of the major vocal notes that you want, while still maintaining a decent level of intensity as you prefer. Good luck here, and don't hesitate to call me for any further opinion
MBomb
Fixed streams in first kiai according to my own suggestions. They play absolutely awful now, but at least no one will complain about density 
As for second time I used those patterns, as Sc4 stated, the kiais are a lot more intense, but I'd say even the first time I used it is intense enough for this type of pattern.
1/4 part is not my section, so that's up to JBH.
As for second time I used those patterns, as Sc4 stated, the kiais are a lot more intense, but I'd say even the first time I used it is intense enough for this type of pattern.
1/4 part is not my section, so that's up to JBH.
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Thanks for the feedback guys! Since everyone is asking me to drop my opinion here I guess I will do that.
From on objective, outsider perspective, I can see both sides of the argument. Yes, extended 1/2 rhythms of this type are not commonly found on this level of difficulty, since they require an additional increase in accuracy (there are more opportunities to miss and break combo with more objects), and from a visual perspective the density could maybe appear a little daunting. I actually quite like the change to the first iteration of 2 1/1 circles followed by 1/2 5plet.
However, for the counter-opinion, I would like to draw upon an argument of rationality. The 1/2 (and singular 1/4) rhythms are used sparingly and in such a way that they mimic some of the previously suggested alternatives, such as long sliders or separated triplet/5plets. The movement needed to complete them is lenient to the point where missing a large portion of the "stream" is rather unlikely. Removing one note in the middle of a stream, but keeping the same stream shape will have almost zero effect on the playability, and from a subjective, personal viewpoint, it negatively affects the appearance - since the notes there are of roughly equal intensity, what is the especial justification for removing just one (for example)?
Given that the map is for approval and so doesn't need to conform to any strict concept of "spread" besides that of "all modes must have an E icon lul", I feel the use of 1/2 streams is a calculated risk. Whether others agree or disagree is for them to decide.
From on objective, outsider perspective, I can see both sides of the argument. Yes, extended 1/2 rhythms of this type are not commonly found on this level of difficulty, since they require an additional increase in accuracy (there are more opportunities to miss and break combo with more objects), and from a visual perspective the density could maybe appear a little daunting. I actually quite like the change to the first iteration of 2 1/1 circles followed by 1/2 5plet.
However, for the counter-opinion, I would like to draw upon an argument of rationality. The 1/2 (and singular 1/4) rhythms are used sparingly and in such a way that they mimic some of the previously suggested alternatives, such as long sliders or separated triplet/5plets. The movement needed to complete them is lenient to the point where missing a large portion of the "stream" is rather unlikely. Removing one note in the middle of a stream, but keeping the same stream shape will have almost zero effect on the playability, and from a subjective, personal viewpoint, it negatively affects the appearance - since the notes there are of roughly equal intensity, what is the especial justification for removing just one (for example)?
Given that the map is for approval and so doesn't need to conform to any strict concept of "spread" besides that of "all modes must have an E icon lul", I feel the use of 1/2 streams is a calculated risk. Whether others agree or disagree is for them to decide.
Topic Starter
CTB diff updated to previous state on MBomb's request. Ready.
Julie: Why are some held notes 1/2 while some are 1/1 in the kiai? I couldn't really figure out the pattern there. At first I thought they were vocals but 02:55:029 (175029|3) - 01:37:341 (97341|3) - 04:01:618 (241618|2) - those would need to be 1/1 if that were the case.
Why no LN here? 04:03:005 (243005|1) - . Other than that, everything seems fine.
JBH/MB: Not sure how much I like the 1/2 "streams" staying in, but they're not terribly difficult and definitely capture the feel of the song, so I think leaving them in there should be bueno.
As far as things I would suggest changing, 00:27:977 (3,1) - this feels a lot more awkward than other spots due to having the same flow. For example, 00:34:913 (1,2) - is much easier to play and feels better to a newer player, at least in my opinion. Also, the one at 27s has a larger DS which also makes it slightly harder. If you don't want to change the pattern at least nerf the DS down to 1.2 to make it feel more smooth.
Additionally, I'd nerf the spacing 02:25:549 (4,1) - there to be lower, as the vocal pitch drops and the song has a small jolt of momentum. Its less intuitive for the jump to be larger, ultimately.
Finally, 02:59:190 - to 03:21:387 - basically has incredibly similar spacing/flow as the rest of the map, despite it being noticeably calmer. Why is this? IMO the entire section should better reflect the song.
Gezo: At this BPM all Taiko sounds wrong to me, but it plays fine so I'll just rely on that.
Weeber: TBH, the map's flow gets pretty sloppy about midway through. The first instance is here: 01:17:919 (1,1) - where the previous pattern doesn't quite indicate where the next note will be (the triangle would denote something to the left rather than the right). 02:13:410 (5,1) - where the slider's shape opposes the player's cursor movement which is typically a no-no on an easy difficulty (and most normals). 02:25:896 (1,2) - 02:28:670 (3,4) - these are both pretty meh as well, as the player is basically going kind of opposite the slider's motion to reach the next note (2/4), but then essentially reverses it. It plays like a weird reverse slider. 02:31:445 (1,2) - Weird slider shape again. 03:18:612 (3,1) - And here. 03:33:872 (2,3) - . 03:35:260 (3,4) - This is contrary to the rest of the patterns, in most of these the 4 is CTRL+G'd which makes this one weird to read. 03:47:745 (4,1) - Mentioned why this is bad earlier. 04:15:491 (5,1) - And this. 04:16:878 (1,2,3) - These are too vertical to one another, its awkward for the player. Moving it more like this (click that) would be a better player experience. 04:26:589 (6,1) - This. 04:27:977 (1,2) - Here too. 04:37:688 (5,1) - That too.
Overall the Reverie diff is fairly consistent, but I'm not necessarily happy with what is consistent. I'm sure no one really cares about the qualify of a 0.64* diff, but if you want to talk about this on discord voice or IRC lets do so so we can get this map ranked.
Call me back or whatever.
Why no LN here? 04:03:005 (243005|1) - . Other than that, everything seems fine.
JBH/MB: Not sure how much I like the 1/2 "streams" staying in, but they're not terribly difficult and definitely capture the feel of the song, so I think leaving them in there should be bueno.
As far as things I would suggest changing, 00:27:977 (3,1) - this feels a lot more awkward than other spots due to having the same flow. For example, 00:34:913 (1,2) - is much easier to play and feels better to a newer player, at least in my opinion. Also, the one at 27s has a larger DS which also makes it slightly harder. If you don't want to change the pattern at least nerf the DS down to 1.2 to make it feel more smooth.
Additionally, I'd nerf the spacing 02:25:549 (4,1) - there to be lower, as the vocal pitch drops and the song has a small jolt of momentum. Its less intuitive for the jump to be larger, ultimately.
Finally, 02:59:190 - to 03:21:387 - basically has incredibly similar spacing/flow as the rest of the map, despite it being noticeably calmer. Why is this? IMO the entire section should better reflect the song.
Gezo: At this BPM all Taiko sounds wrong to me, but it plays fine so I'll just rely on that.
Weeber: TBH, the map's flow gets pretty sloppy about midway through. The first instance is here: 01:17:919 (1,1) - where the previous pattern doesn't quite indicate where the next note will be (the triangle would denote something to the left rather than the right). 02:13:410 (5,1) - where the slider's shape opposes the player's cursor movement which is typically a no-no on an easy difficulty (and most normals). 02:25:896 (1,2) - 02:28:670 (3,4) - these are both pretty meh as well, as the player is basically going kind of opposite the slider's motion to reach the next note (2/4), but then essentially reverses it. It plays like a weird reverse slider. 02:31:445 (1,2) - Weird slider shape again. 03:18:612 (3,1) - And here. 03:33:872 (2,3) - . 03:35:260 (3,4) - This is contrary to the rest of the patterns, in most of these the 4 is CTRL+G'd which makes this one weird to read. 03:47:745 (4,1) - Mentioned why this is bad earlier. 04:15:491 (5,1) - And this. 04:16:878 (1,2,3) - These are too vertical to one another, its awkward for the player. Moving it more like this (click that) would be a better player experience. 04:26:589 (6,1) - This. 04:27:977 (1,2) - Here too. 04:37:688 (5,1) - That too.
Overall the Reverie diff is fairly consistent, but I'm not necessarily happy with what is consistent. I'm sure no one really cares about the qualify of a 0.64* diff, but if you want to talk about this on discord voice or IRC lets do so so we can get this map ranked.
Call me back or whatever.
Topic Starter
Pretty much all flow suggestions have been accepted to help the map flow much better for players (albeit making it a little more boring visually but nonetheless). However, I have to disagree with most of the 4/1 spacing suggestions. (except for the first one because all I had to do was CtrlG the last two notes of the triangle to help it flow better.) These empty 4/1 spaces are EXTREMELY difficult to be able to visually "flow" into each other (even with the easy spacing), especially when the note is in the middle of the screen. I feel as though the somewhat large timing gap is enough for players to be able to stop, and adjust their cursor in these situations regardless of the supposed "jerk" in cursor direction (which lets be real, really isn't that bad)Cryptic wrote:
Weber: TBH, the map's flow gets pretty sloppy about midway through. The first instance is here: 01:17:919 (1,1) - where the previous pattern doesn't quite indicate where the next note will be (the triangle would denote something to the left rather than the right). 02:13:410 (5,1) - where the slider's shape opposes the player's cursor movement which is typically a no-no on an easy difficulty (and most normals). 02:25:896 (1,2) - 02:28:670 (3,4) - these are both pretty meh as well, as the player is basically going kind of opposite the slider's motion to reach the next note (2/4), but then essentially reverses it. It plays like a weird reverse slider. 02:31:445 (1,2) - Weird slider shape again. 03:18:612 (3,1) - And here. 03:33:872 (2,3) - . 03:35:260 (3,4) - This is contrary to the rest of the patterns, in most of these the 4 is CTRL+G'd which makes this one weird to read. 03:47:745 (4,1) - Mentioned why this is bad earlier. 04:15:491 (5,1) - And this. 04:16:878 (1,2,3) - These are too vertical to one another, its awkward for the player. Moving it more like this (click that) would be a better player experience. 04:26:589 (6,1) - This. 04:27:977 (1,2) - Here too. 04:37:688 (5,1) - That too.
I did help some of these sections flow slightly better though in the case of 04:15:491 (5,1) - by bringing (1) down a little.
Thank you for the mod <3
MBomb
Hope this answers your concerns on my parts.Cryptic wrote:
JBH/MB: Not sure how much I like the 1/2 "streams" staying in, but they're not terribly difficult and definitely capture the feel of the song, so I think leaving them in there should be bueno.
As far as things I would suggest changing, 00:27:977 (3,1) - this feels a lot more awkward than other spots due to having the same flow. For example, 00:34:913 (1,2) - is much easier to play and feels better to a newer player, at least in my opinion. Also, the one at 27s has a larger DS which also makes it slightly harder. If you don't want to change the pattern at least nerf the DS down to 1.2 to make it feel more smooth. - The one you pointed out is the beginning of a line, which is a more emphasised note to me, hence the higher distance, and the antiflow movement here is quite simple due to the low SV, so it's fine for this difficulty.
Additionally, I'd nerf the spacing 02:25:549 (4,1) - there to be lower, as the vocal pitch drops and the song has a small jolt of momentum. Its less intuitive for the jump to be larger, ultimately. - Distance increase is to emphasise the change in line (A finish sound has been used to emphasise here too, so it makes sense to have a higher movement to match the hitsounding).
Finally, 02:59:190 - to 03:21:387 - basically has incredibly similar spacing/flow as the rest of the map, despite it being noticeably calmer. Why is this? IMO the entire section should better reflect the song. - Actually, this section uses notably less distance on most parts, and the few parts where it doesn't is because, despite this being a calm part, the pitches here on the flute are very high, and so, in terms of emphasis, should be very strong.
Call me back or whatever.
Quick follow up w/ Weber in voice chat, we'll get to the rest when he's not busy.
^
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19:59 Cryptic: 02:03:699 (1) -
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19:56 Cryptic: 00:57:109 (1,2,3,4) -
19:58 Cryptic: 01:08:208 (1) -
19:59 Cryptic: 02:03:699 (1) -
20:00 Weber: 01:17:919 (1) -
20:00 Cryptic: 02:04:393 (1) -
20:00 Cryptic: 02:04:393 (2,3) -
20:01 Cryptic: 02:09:942 (2,3) -
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20:01 Cryptic: 02:30:057 (4) -
20:03 Cryptic: 02:31:445 (1,2,3,4,5) -
20:05 Cryptic: 02:36:994 (1,2,3,4) -
20:06 Cryptic: 02:55:029 (2) -
20:07 Cryptic: 02:55:029 (2) -
^2
11:03 Cryptic: 02:07:861 (4,1) -
11:05 Cryptic: 03:11:676 (2,3) -
11:06 Cryptic: 02:04:393 (1) -
11:13 Cryptic: 04:39:075 (1,2) -
11:05 Cryptic: 03:11:676 (2,3) -
11:06 Cryptic: 02:04:393 (1) -
11:13 Cryptic: 04:39:075 (1,2) -
Is kinda tricky, since is because of the hitsound, don'.t want some LNs with the bass hitsound and some other normal hit. But I'm probably going to try and fix that somehow, brb going to zzZ then work owoCryptic wrote:
Julie: Why are some held notes 1/2 while some are 1/1 in the kiai? I couldn't really figure out the pattern there. At first I thought they were vocals but 02:55:029 (175029|3) - 01:37:341 (97341|3) - 04:01:618 (241618|2) - those would need to be 1/1 if that were the case.
Why no LN here? 04:03:005 (243005|1) - . Other than that, everything seems fine.
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haha ye btw julie's diff has been updated and set is ready
Hi I've returned in the midst of exams for overdue bubble.
05:01:618 (1) - Offscreen
Dequalify pls
Dequalify pls
Topic Starter
Ambient wrote:
Wow nice map fam.
wait this actually happened
Topic Starter
spiner plsEphemeralFetish wrote:
05:01:618 (1) - Offscreen
Dequalify pls
orz rip osu. Gratz anyways~~
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h o w
Congrats. Actually how many ranked all-mode mapsets are there? Will this be the first one once it's ranked?
h o w
Congrats. Actually how many ranked all-mode mapsets are there? Will this be the first one once it's ranked?
0 pp diffs 
Gratz!~
Gratz!~
It happened
nicee well done
you didnt tell me about thisAyyri wrote:
hey hey
fixed dumb stuff in the taiko diff
burn
get rotationz'd