Mami Kawada - Contrail ~Kiseki~ · forum

Depths

Joined January 2014

Depths 2016-01-27T17:06:13+00:00

Satellite wrote:
ZZHBOY wrote:
finish your discussion then call me back

ahaha some nazi mod lol <--- wwww agree
call me back again if you are ready

Silky

766 posts

Joined October 2014

Silky 2016-01-27T17:35:12+00:00

some suggestion on Normal/Hard diff
these thing is a bit nazi, you can ignore the all.
Normal

00:08:115 (4,5) - I think you following guitar sound. so I guess slider then circle is better.
00:50:080 (2) - umm I think you could following vocal , like this? (you might think its too hard to Normal diff)
yes I know you want keep consistency with 00:47:223 (2) - , but 00:50:436 (3) - this vocal sound is strong and followable.
SPOILER

Hard

00:05:437 (2) - umm I think that high-pitch sound is not suitable for underlap, can you stack on 00:05:615 (3) - ?
00:08:294 (3) - stack on 00:08:115 (2) - is better imo, its more fit in sound(guitar)
00:24:901 - that downbeat has strong vocal, you should make clickable it imo(and mainly you following vocal at this slow part)
00:31:330 (3,4) - I guess you want make consistency with 00:29:901 (3,4) - 00:32:758 (4) - ?
but i think there is following with circle then slider is better... current pattern is a bit not fit in sound tbh.
01:07:223 (4,5,6,1) - a bit bad flow? I'd like this(really nazi lol)
01:07:223 (4) - 236:254, 01:07:401 (5) - stack on 01:06:508 (2) - 's head, 01:07:580 (6) - 240:113(x1.50 DS)
SPOILER
01:13:115 (4,5,1) - that sharp flow is a bit hard to Hard diff? I'd like 01:13:115 (4) - stack on 01:13:294 (5) -
both circles have claps, so I don't think it isnt fit in sound.

other is really fine to me
anyway good luck with this mapset

Last edited by Silky 2016-01-28T05:32:07+00:00, edited 2 times in total.

hvick225

352 posts

Joined November 2008

hvick225 2016-01-27T18:26:34+00:00

Satellite wrote:
ZZHBOY wrote:
finish your discussion then call me back

ahaha some nazi mod lol yes..

call me back again if you are ready

KSHR

Global Moderator

1,668 posts

Joined July 2010

KSHR 2016-01-28T04:21:07+00:00

Let me participate the discussion about what Karen pointed out as I'm also one of GD mappers for this mapset.

00:45:615 (1,2,1,2) - It's weird to separate these 4 beats into 2 / 2. Focus on listening to the synthesizer(?) and you will notice 3 beats goes from 00:45:794 - . Considering that, I think separating them into 1 / 3 as the synthesizer goes would be much nicer than the current rhythm. Probably this is exactly what Karen tried to tell you. In conclusion, I agree with Karen.
Well we should explain things without "so bad for playing" or something that might sound subjective and cause misunderstanding wherever possible.

00:58:651 (2,3,4) - It would be great if you rework this pattern so that it fits with the drum line much better. Let me suggest this as one of patterns that can fix the issue. https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/4418226 https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/4418231 https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/4418236

01:10:526 (7) - Honestly I'd say it's on the border. This may be just because I'm Japanese, but it sounds like this triplet (or 2 notes + the slider head) fits at least with the vocal.
Btw, considering Karen commented on hvick's difficulty, I assume he checked other difficulties too. I wonder why he didn't point out the exact same rhythm in Depths' difficulty.

Take this just as ONE opinion that the old mapper/modder has. Tsukareta (๑¯Δ¯๑)

Karen

2,860 posts

Joined August 2013

Karen 2016-01-28T07:42:02+00:00

KSHR wrote:
00:58:651 (2,3,4) - It would be great if you rework this pattern so that it fits with the drum line much better. Let me suggest this as one of patterns that can fix the issue. https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/4418226 https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/4418231 https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/4418236
wow this looks great!

01:10:526 (7) - Honestly I'd say it's on the border. This may be just because I'm Japanese, but it sounds like this triplet (or 2 notes + the slider head) fits at least with the vocal. hmm this reason sounds fair enough, i can understand now, thanks for explaining.
Btw, considering Karen commented on hvick's difficulty, I assume he checked other difficulties too. I wonder why he didn't point out the exact same rhythm in Depths' difficulty. i just went into all diffs for a quick check and then i found that insane diff definitely needs more work so i check that diff carefully, also i can't get where the same rhythm you meant in depths diff, if you mean 00:57:758 (1,2,1,2,1,2,3,4) - this, i'd say this is not bad, at least it doesn't confuse players, not like that 2/2 pattern in Insane diff, which ignores the music at all.

Take this just as ONE opinion that the old mapper/modder has. Tsukareta (๑¯Δ¯๑) senpai isn't old.

after checking all diffs again, this mapset has no more serious problems in my eyes apart from the issues i mentioned . Good luck with the qualification.

Poruteri

Former osu! Champion: 2014

132 posts

Joined February 2012

Poruteri 2016-01-28T08:39:56+00:00

This hitclap is too laud ;_;

zyoi

631 posts

Joined May 2014

Topic Starter

zyoi 2016-01-28T09:00:42+00:00

Poruteri wrote:
This hitclap is too laud ;_;

maybe can ignore hitsounds

edit:
@fuyuyuyyuyuyuyu
01:07:223 (4,5,6,1) - yeah i change them but not follow you said cuz they will be hard to read
01:13:115 (4,5) - i just ctrl+G

and
@karen i changed 00:58:651 (2,3,4) - , 00:45:615 (1,2,1,2) - and 01:10:526 (7) - already
thxxxx

IamKwaN

osu! Alumni

3,905 posts

Joined August 2012

IamKwaN 2016-01-28T13:38:09+00:00

Discussed something on Enjoy's Insane in-game, the following are stuff about difficulties other than hers.
[Depths]

00:22:573 (1) - The NC makes the timing on hitting this really confusing, provided that the pattern before all has a NC on the first note after the 1/1 gap. Either remove the NC or place the circle somewhere else different from the previous pattern.
00:37:216 (7) - Unlike 00:43:287 (1,2) - , the circle not matching with vocal does not suit a stack under a slider end. Adding some momentum is better from my side. Well, playing the difficulty thrice pushes me mentioning this.
00:52:394 (1) - Is this NC necessary?
01:18:376 (3) - What is this note for?

[wkyik]

00:12:394 (2) - stack唔好玩同搞到我疾左疾因為結他太明顯我覺得需要點移動同埋成段結他就得呢個疊咁樣如何 https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/4419992

[KSHR]

00:33:466 - I have no idea what this starts on, try something like this? http://puu.sh/mMNo4/b86e2b090e.jpg
00:43:287 (1) - Flipping horizontally makes it more good-looking? https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/4420076

That's all. Seems there is no lack of BNs for you to poke, so good luck!

Depths

681 posts

Joined January 2014

Depths 2016-01-28T14:50:14+00:00

IamKwaN wrote:
Discussed something on Enjoy's Insane in-game, the following are stuff about difficulties other than hers.
[Depths]
00:22:573 (1) - The NC makes the timing on hitting this really confusing, provided that the pattern before all has a NC on the first note after the 1/1 gap. Either remove the NC or place the circle somewhere else different from the previous pattern. Removed the NC
00:37:216 (7) - Unlike 00:43:287 (1,2) - , the circle not matching with vocal does not suit a stack under a slider end. Adding some momentum is better from my side. Well, playing the difficulty thrice pushes me mentioning this. ok, stacked on head of 00:37:394 (1) -
00:52:394 (1) - Is this NC necessary? Not really after looking into it more, fixed
01:18:376 (3) - What is this note for?done for violin emphasis though there isn't a sound on the blue tic, its more of a way for me to accentuate the sound at 01:18:466 (4) -
That's all. Seems there is no lack of BNs for you to poke, so good luck!

Thank you for the mod~

orz

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KSHR

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KSHR 2016-01-28T22:08:11+00:00

IamKwaN wrote:
[KSHR]
00:33:466 - I have no idea what this starts on, try something like this? http://puu.sh/mMNo4/b86e2b090e.jpg
I will fix it with the rhythm you suggested after getting home. examedxmamxmeaxammm
00:43:287 (1) - Flipping horizontally makes it more good-looking? https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/4420076
No change. As I already replied to Nerova Riuz GX's mod on the first page, this makes another issue which I think is worse than the current pattern. Also I see no big difference between the current 00:43:287 (1) - and your suggestion in terms of looking.

Thanks for modding!

To Enjoy: Wait for me to fix KwaN's first suggestion. I will probably complete it today though.

zyoi

631 posts

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Topic Starter

zyoi 2016-01-29T05:17:55+00:00

IamKwaN wrote:
[wkyik]
00:12:394 (2) - stack唔好玩同搞到我疾左疾因為結他太明顯我覺得需要點移動同埋成段結他就得呢個疊咁樣如何 https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/4419992
That's all. Seems there is no lack of BNs for you to poke, so good luck!

yeah i helped him fix

thxx

Sidetail

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Sidetail 2016-01-29T06:18:19+00:00

iine~

KSHR

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KSHR 2016-01-29T21:03:08+00:00

Fixed KwaN's first suggestion by reworking 00:32:751 (2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1) -

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