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hi sry just realized but why is 00:13:707 (1) - still exists in my diff delete it for me pls thanks
also turn off widescreen support too
also turn off widescreen support too
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Oki, do not rebub untill i make this
w i dont think it needs a rebub it can just go straight to qualify
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reason for rebub:
updated, ready for rebub
updated, ready for rebub
rebub
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Yay rebubli
Where is hertlii?
Where is hertlii?
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thx to me 4 dat fake mesge
thx to me 4 dat fake mesge
I believe it shouldn't be a problem, but anyways
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Let's see if I can EZNC it again ^_^
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gratz
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Yay heart
Thx
Thx
www grats Shmik!
Gratz~ \w/
Wasn't expecting this song to have a monster set lol. Grats!
gratz
So fast owo
Gratzz xD
Gratzz xD
Izumi Akazawa and Madoka Yonezawa are both in the form of first name, surname format, where they should only be used when there is official support.
Therefore, please provide reference.
Therefore, please provide reference.
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Metadata was taken from Natsu's set
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/420677
Comfirmation: http://osu.ppy.sh/s/420677
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/420677
Comfirmation: http://osu.ppy.sh/s/420677
Um, gratz Shmiklak!
Hi! i have some concerns regarding Deppy's Extra.
First off, the difficulty plays fun but. there are some objects that may be unrankable due to its placements.
00:38:212 (1) - 00:40:589 (1,3) - and 00:47:420 (4) - . Although they aren't offscreen on every screen ration, the object's placement are too risky, and i do think you can move those objects a little bit to prevent someone saying its offscreen (well the first person said that is me anyways lol) But still, moving it won't make anything bad anyways and everything is also up to you, whether you want to move it or not to move it. And... is the diffname are also acceptable? What is Insaneextra anyways? Why don't you use "Deppy's Expert" or "Deppy's Light Extra" instead because the difficulty was around Insane and Extra so i guess, Expert or Light Extra might be the best choice for it.
Thats all i wanted to say. By the way, congratulations on the qualified state, Shmiklak
First off, the difficulty plays fun but. there are some objects that may be unrankable due to its placements.
00:38:212 (1) - 00:40:589 (1,3) - and 00:47:420 (4) - . Although they aren't offscreen on every screen ration, the object's placement are too risky, and i do think you can move those objects a little bit to prevent someone saying its offscreen (well the first person said that is me anyways lol) But still, moving it won't make anything bad anyways and everything is also up to you, whether you want to move it or not to move it. And... is the diffname are also acceptable? What is Insaneextra anyways? Why don't you use "Deppy's Expert" or "Deppy's Light Extra" instead because the difficulty was around Insane and Extra so i guess, Expert or Light Extra might be the best choice for it.
Thats all i wanted to say. By the way, congratulations on the qualified state, Shmiklak
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Insaneextra name shows that the diff is sth between ins and extra, it's not unrankable, it shows how difficult the diff. Now about objects. They are not offscreen so it's fully rankable and must play great. Also thank to everyone for congratulations :3
Although those sites are all dead, the screenshot looks good to me, thanks.
Metadata is here: p/4946438 but idk if the short version have different one
BTW that difficulty name is misleading O.O, first to all the mapper's name is deppyforce but we have Force of Deppy's and second what is an Insanextra ??
If this gets DQ, I strongly recomend you to change BG, since is the same one in my mapset (it's fine, but backgrounds are part of the identity of a map), also the girl in the BG is the wrong one:
Izumi Akazawa
BTW that difficulty name is misleading O.O, first to all the mapper's name is deppyforce but we have Force of Deppy's and second what is an Insanextra ??
If this gets DQ, I strongly recomend you to change BG, since is the same one in my mapset (it's fine, but backgrounds are part of the identity of a map), also the girl in the BG is the wrong one:
Izumi Akazawa
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deppyforce decided to use this name himself. He may have reasons. As I said above, I don't see reasons to dq set because of diff's name. Insaneextra is fully rankable, it shows diff's difficult. About metadata. Metadata must be same because it's not oficial cut version. And bg. Current one fits song's style, but well, if it will get dq I'll use another
That is what i have said on my concerns that Expert or Light Extra might be the best choice for it and, Using "Force" in the first Sentence of the difficulty name is just... too misleading as what Natsu have said so. And the objects. Yes, they are not offscreen indeed but i've stated that if he *could* move those objects a bit then it'll be more than fine and it wouldn't be a risky object. But thats not an issue at all anyways, what i still dont understand is the misleading difficulty name :s. Might wanna ask QAT or Another BNs Member about this?(those who have nominated the map is not included) So we can finish this diff name issue as soon as possible.Shmiklak wrote:
Insaneextra name shows that the diff is sth between ins and extra, it's not unrankable, it shows how difficult the diff. Now about objects. They are not offscreen so it's fully rankable and must play great. Also thank to everyone for congratulations :3
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RC tells us that diffname must show how hard is the diff. We mustn't use standart diff names, we can use any name if it shows difficult of diff. In this case we won't end this discus ever because it is mostly everyone's own opinion. Map's owner (me) can use any diffname he wants. I as map's owner want to keep Force of Deppy's Insaneextra for all reasons above and I want to tell you again this name was choosed by deppyforce and I'm sure he doesn't want to change it. Risky objects are not unrankable so I don't want to change it, and again I'm sure deppyforce won't change it, but let's wait to him
That Force of Deppy's Insanextra, is just a dumb idea tbh.
Just name it Deppyforce's Expert... orz
Same for that Miniature Extra xD
Also i don't think using Natsu's BG, is a good idea tho.
Just name it Deppyforce's Expert... orz
Same for that Miniature Extra xD
Also i don't think using Natsu's BG, is a good idea tho.
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It's your own opinion. It's not unrankable, I don't want to change it. And I'd like to pay your attention that BG is different from Natsu's set :V If we used same source it doesn't mean that I used his BG.
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it's not unrankable i just told you it's dumb and not good looking that diff name, it's your mapset you decide, i don't really care.. xD
it's just a suggestion..
same for the bg, when it's for me, i like that the bg is proper to my map, not using one that's already used.. but i mean w/e
i also think some jumps like 00:45:490 (2,2,2) - those notes are juste overdone, listen to the sound it's a little "tic" , why such huge spacing zzz, you can make pp maps without doing overdone stuff.. 00:51:430 (2,2,2) - same, stuff like this are just overdone imo. (i'm talking in slayed last diff for exemple, but lots of extra use those jumps at this section orz)
but w/e it's 2016 poeple can rank jump training so yolo xD
01:05:539 (1,2,1,2,1,2,3,4) - pls slayed zzz
it's just a suggestion..
same for the bg, when it's for me, i like that the bg is proper to my map, not using one that's already used.. but i mean w/e
i also think some jumps like 00:45:490 (2,2,2) - those notes are juste overdone, listen to the sound it's a little "tic" , why such huge spacing zzz, you can make pp maps without doing overdone stuff.. 00:51:430 (2,2,2) - same, stuff like this are just overdone imo. (i'm talking in slayed last diff for exemple, but lots of extra use those jumps at this section orz)
but w/e it's 2016 poeple can rank jump training so yolo xD
01:05:539 (1,2,1,2,1,2,3,4) - pls slayed zzz
says sotarks
Hello there!
I am actually okay with "Force of Deppy", we have had worse things. Same applies with "Insanextra", it is an interesting way of calling a difficulty (although Insane or Extra would have been way more appropriate).
Nevertheless, there are two difficulties that do not make much sense, to be fair. First one being "FCL's Miniature Extra", just call it Extra, it is way more appropriate. Second one being "Waji's Another", why is a difficulty named "Another" in the middle of all those Extras? Another difficulties are usually given to difficulties which are from an Insane type of level.
On a side note, those sliders are actually on-screen. They are perfectly fine, although they might be seen as a bit borderline.
The BG is okay, it is not the same as the one used on Natsu's mapset.
There are, although, some technical issues that I found while taking a look at the difficulties. Now, I know that most of the things I am about to mention are a common issue in ranked maps lately, but thing is, they should not be an issue. Let's try to address that! I will be referring to the highest five difficulties in the mapset.
[General]
Got to say, I enjoyed playing and modding this difficulty, it is fun.
Personally I think this difficulty could be a bit better if you would work more around angles and transitions. Some linear flows/movements seem very awkward and not matching with your mapping style.
That is it for my part. In addition, take a look at what has been stated earlier in the thread to make sure everything is addressed before proceeding. Sotarks mentioned a couple of things and KwaN asked for metadata on the short version of this song. Although, if there is no metadata for the short version, then it is fine!
Good luck with the mapset, Shmiklak. Feel free to hit me up with any questions if you guys have something to ask!
I am actually okay with "Force of Deppy", we have had worse things. Same applies with "Insanextra", it is an interesting way of calling a difficulty (although Insane or Extra would have been way more appropriate).
Nevertheless, there are two difficulties that do not make much sense, to be fair. First one being "FCL's Miniature Extra", just call it Extra, it is way more appropriate. Second one being "Waji's Another", why is a difficulty named "Another" in the middle of all those Extras? Another difficulties are usually given to difficulties which are from an Insane type of level.
On a side note, those sliders are actually on-screen. They are perfectly fine, although they might be seen as a bit borderline.
The BG is okay, it is not the same as the one used on Natsu's mapset.
There are, although, some technical issues that I found while taking a look at the difficulties. Now, I know that most of the things I am about to mention are a common issue in ranked maps lately, but thing is, they should not be an issue. Let's try to address that! I will be referring to the highest five difficulties in the mapset.
[General]
- 00:51:801 - Some difficulties cointain a drum-hitwhistle at that spot, which is not very appropriate because it sounds kind of overdone-y it terms of hitsounding.
- 00:19:202 (1,2,3) - The angle and spacing used in this pattern is very different from everything else in this section. I do not think this was done intentionally as it is very recognizable. I would suggest you to place 00:19:648 (2) - in between 00:19:796 (3,4) - to make it more consistent as well as not to snappy compared to everything else. Even 00:28:707 (1,2,3,4) - is different from it as the distance from (2,3) is more big (although it should not be like that, since you are always emphasizing the sound on 00:29:153 - so it makes it weird anyway).
- 00:42:965 - Section here is when things start getting a bit crazy. I get it is a build-up section, and, as such, you started to increase the spacing, that is perfectly fine, I actually support that. The thing is, it builds-up at a very weird spot and incredibly fast, when it should not be like that. For that reason, the 00:45:341 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - doubles at this section lose complete emphasis due to the spacing used previously. In my opinion, the rest of the Extra difficulties did a better job on this section by incrementing the spacing as the music gets more intense, but I will speak of them later on.
- 00:49:796 (4) - Ctrl+G'ing this slider (and re-arranging it later on, else the distance would be huge) would be much better as it would prevent a linear pattern which is not being done anywhere in the map.
- 00:50:688 (3,4) - Stack kills the whole momentum of the section and it is also being inconsistent with 00:48:608 (4,5) - (although the spacing should/could be decreased because (5) is not really that accentuated in the background music) which is a problem. Consider unstack.
- 01:05:539 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - This pattern is way too much.
- 01:12:074 (3,4,5,6) - Jumps here feel very overdone after you play 01:12:668 (1,2,1,2,3,4) - since the intensity is the complete opposite and the spacing of said pattern is the same. Starting the jump section at 01:12:668 (1) - would feel more natural.
- 00:32:866 (1) - I am unsure about this NC being there, to be honest. It is introduced in a very weird way, where I (when testplaying it) got a miss as I thought it was a 1/2 circle. There is really no way of doing an inconsistent spacing stream for that, and the NC makes it hard to read as players don't expect the turn + the continous stream.
- 00:35:836 (1,2) - Spacing here is counter-intuitive and completely differs from 00:33:460 (1,2) - as well as 00:34:648 (2,3,4,1) - . It might have been a mistake while you were moving things around, but it should be changed since it is very easy to misread.
- 00:42:965 - I will be honest with you here. Spacing-wise, I truly believe you made a very good job compared to the other Extra difficulty. Rhythm-wise no, unfortunately. Ignoring what is in the song to map a full spam of 1/2 circles was not the best idea, to be honest. I would strongly recommend you to replace some of these circles to sliders as they would go along with the music much better. Also, 00:45:341 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1) - the spacing here is incredibly high and unnecessary for the difficulty.
- 00:51:727 (2) - 00:56:480 (2) - Cannot really comprehend the reason behind these 1/4 sliders. These feel very off and add an unnecessary density to the map that is not audible in the song. It does not really feel appropriate to have them here because they do not make the patterns any harder, if anything, the might look like that, when they are not, really.
- 00:57:965 (3,4,5) - This pattern looks quite weird, to be honest. The whole emphasis is put onto (5) when the song is emphasizing (4) instead. Something such as https://imgur-archive.ppy.sh/VbWrdQz.jpg that might help a little more. Also, the current pattern kind of makes a zig-zag-y movement, but the music does not really support that.
- 00:59:004 (4,5) - Stack here breaks with the momentum you were building earlier, having to stand on clicking objects and them moving again at high-speed is not really a good pattern and very risky.
- 01:04:054 (3,4) - There is some very noticeable inconsistency here that should be changed 01:02:866 (3,4) - 01:05:242 (3,4) - .
- 01:18:608 (1,2) - Not sure if you want to keep this, it is way too exaggerated.
Got to say, I enjoyed playing and modding this difficulty, it is fun.
- 00:40:292 (5,6) - I am unsure about this stack because it kind of ruins with your patterning here. Plus, mentioning that these are two completely different sounds in the music and, as such, should be represented in a different way.
- 01:06:430 (1,2) - Decreasing the spacing in such a way after all those jumps is very risky as it is a huge slow-down for the players. I do like how you did not space them that much like in the rest of the difficulties, but this is kind of a pain to play.
- 01:20:242 (1) - Reducing the volume of the slidertail is highly recommended, it would add a more professional effect to the end of the map!
- 00:04:054 (1,2,3) - Spacing is quite exaggerated compared to everything else in the intro. I appreciate you tried to give this pattern some emphasis, but it might be too much.
- 00:08:955 (4,5,6) - This is not very recommendable as misreading is most likely to happen. You are not doing this pattern anywhere else in the map, so adding an additional reading challenge is not what you want to try. You could try to reduce the distance of 00:08:955 (4) - to make it more predictable.
- 00:48:163 (2,3) - Ctrl+G'ing the rhythm is highly recommended as it would follow the music better. There is nothing audible from 00:48:311 - to 00:48:460 - so placing a holdable object in to where there is nothing, is not a great idea. Also, considering the spacing from (1,2) and the fact that you are using a Finish hitsound on (2), the current spacing looks like an anti-jump.
- 00:45:341 (1,1,1) - and 00:56:034 (1,1,1,1,1) - and everything else - Muting the sliderends would be much more professional when you are doing these 1/4 patterns.
- 01:01:975 (1,2,3,4) - Similarly to what I have just mentioned, the spacing here looks inappropriate to what the music is providing. And, yes, the same occurs with the other two following patterns.
- 01:06:876 (2,1) - This is an anti-jump, by the way, and a very big one. It ruins the momentum you are trying to create with this pattern as a whole due to your 1/4 slider. I would strongly suggest you to replace that slider for a full triplet instead.
- 01:07:767 (2,3,4,5) - Mostly personal here, but it is very tricky to read this. It is most likely that people will read this as a full 1/2 pattern instead of this. Also, the full stack is not really the best option as they are three very distinguishable sounds, so mapping them as individual objects instead of that might sound more reasonable.
- 01:13:707 - There is a very noticeable sound in the music here, mapping this would be appreciated.
- 01:18:608 (1,1) - Why would you place a cross-screen jump at the end of the map, that does not sound appropriate and it is actually a very unwanted pattern.
- 01:19:648 (1) - Any reason for the whistle on the slidertail? Seems off.
Personally I think this difficulty could be a bit better if you would work more around angles and transitions. Some linear flows/movements seem very awkward and not matching with your mapping style.
- 00:08:509 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - Unsure on why this pattern is decreasing its spacing like that, it does not seem right. The music is getting more and more intense before the pause on 00:12:965 - so reducing the spacing does not make too much sense, to be honest.
- 00:30:638 (4,5,1) - This type of linear flow with a very noticeable spacing with the same type of snapping does not quite work. I would try a different angle or something to make it better to play.
- 00:51:133 (5,1) - Stacking is ruining the emphasis put on (1). Consider unstack.
- 01:01:678 (7,8) - Why are these so spaced even though the music is noticeable more calm?
- 01:06:727 (1,2,3,4) - Pattern here can easily be misread as a 1/2 pattern due to the spacing used. Also, 1/4 slider+triplet tends to be quite harsh for players as they are way too used to 1/4 slider+double. 5 notes would be more appreciated, in my opinion.
- 01:09:103 - Huge spike difficulty here. The aim required to snap this section properly is more big than what you would think. Also, why is there a spam of 1/2 circles? That does not sound right. On a side note, the first pattern is completely different to 01:13:856 (1,2,3) - . Stuff can be done here.
- 01:19:648 (1) - Any reason for the whistle on the slidertail? Seems off.
That is it for my part. In addition, take a look at what has been stated earlier in the thread to make sure everything is addressed before proceeding. Sotarks mentioned a couple of things and KwaN asked for metadata on the short version of this song. Although, if there is no metadata for the short version, then it is fine!
Good luck with the mapset, Shmiklak. Feel free to hit me up with any questions if you guys have something to ask!
yep i said that, glad you mentionned that.wajinshu wrote:
says sotarks
i'd rather be glad to justify you my note placement if you think my jumps are overdone
Please don't post random spam messages that don't contribute anything. Thread cleaned up.
Just as a two extra cents post, if we allow "Insanextra" we might as well allow "Easormal" and "Norard"
Don't you think it's a bit ridiculous?
Don't you think it's a bit ridiculous?
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/679817&m=0 nobody complained about this difficulty, that is why I defend its naming. I would like a change, but would not call it unrankable.Raiden wrote:
Just as a two extra cents post, if we allow "Insanextra" we might as well allow "Easormal" and "Norard"
Don't you think it's a bit ridiculous?
Instead of justify in previews ranked maps, we should focus in don't make the same mistakes. If this is fine here, then a spread like: Easormal - Normahard - Hardnsane - Insanextra - Extrultra would be fine too!Yuii- wrote:
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/679817&m=0 nobody complained about this difficulty, that is why I defend its naming. I would like a change, but would not call it unrankable.Raiden wrote:
Just as a two extra cents post, if we allow "Insanextra" we might as well allow "Easormal" and "Norard"
Don't you think it's a bit ridiculous?
Not calling it unrankable, just calling it out for how ridiculous it is to argument RC loopholes in order to express creativity in something that does not represent creativity whatsoever. I don't see the need of trying to be a special snowflake by using totally silly difficulty names when there is such an easier and more serious alternative (Expert, Another, etc.)Yuii- wrote:
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/679817&m=0 nobody complained about this difficulty, that is why I defend its naming. I would like a change, but would not call it unrankable.Raiden wrote:
Just as a two extra cents post, if we allow "Insanextra" we might as well allow "Easormal" and "Norard"
Don't you think it's a bit ridiculous?
Edit: also what Natsu said. Do not argument using other previous ranked maps, as the purpose is to avoid said mistakes in the future.
As there is discussion on going, i'll take that out of the qualified section for now.
Please keep it civilized and make sure to go through all points stated.
Please keep it civilized and make sure to go through all points stated.
How much it takes to disqualify a map?
like it has happened plenty bunch of time and the scoreboard is still there xd
like it has happened plenty bunch of time and the scoreboard is still there xd
hi i know my diff name is strange but it should be perfectly fine
first off force of deppy is ok cuz that name can only be related to me anyways, there are stuff like kamal's extra which is mapped by vinxis but its his real name so its fine? cuz u absolutely cant tell who is kamal if u are a person who dont use any other social medias or looking at maps creators words by any chance (like using osu!direct or smh) and that could be count as misleading diff name too
but it didnt
2nd 'insanextra' also makes sense imo thats why i used it bcuz theres like 3 insane and 7 extras here which means if everyone name the diff normally it would be
insane - insane - my diff - extra - extra - extra - extra - extra - extra - answer
tell me if that doesnt sound boring when there are many diffs like this but theyre all named the same so no diff sounds special at all its fine imo to gimmicking even the diff name itself but its still reflecting the right difficulty of the map
this also reflect my 'unusual mapping style' with my unusual diff name in this case, it still fits
if we need to strictly follows rc, "another or extra" wouldnt be a real diff name as well cuz theyre called insane and expert diff lol
ya also sliders are fine cuz theyre not offscreen
first off force of deppy is ok cuz that name can only be related to me anyways, there are stuff like kamal's extra which is mapped by vinxis but its his real name so its fine? cuz u absolutely cant tell who is kamal if u are a person who dont use any other social medias or looking at maps creators words by any chance (like using osu!direct or smh) and that could be count as misleading diff name too
but it didnt
2nd 'insanextra' also makes sense imo thats why i used it bcuz theres like 3 insane and 7 extras here which means if everyone name the diff normally it would be
insane - insane - my diff - extra - extra - extra - extra - extra - extra - answer
tell me if that doesnt sound boring when there are many diffs like this but theyre all named the same so no diff sounds special at all its fine imo to gimmicking even the diff name itself but its still reflecting the right difficulty of the map
this also reflect my 'unusual mapping style' with my unusual diff name in this case, it still fits
if we need to strictly follows rc, "another or extra" wouldnt be a real diff name as well cuz theyre called insane and expert diff lol
ya also sliders are fine cuz theyre not offscreen
yeah you can claim is bored, but isn't good, what about using Expert, Extreme, Hyper, Another etc.. there are much valid diff names that you could use, tbh I don't think anyone would want to see this: Easormal - Normahard - Hardnsane - Insanextra - Extrultra in osu!.
they wont cuz the e is the bridge between insane and extra here so i merged it
there are no alphabet bridges thing on the other diff names u have mentioned so those diff name looks kinda bad imo and no one would use those
also again i used this diff name cuz there are multiple other insane and extras already, i agree if theres only 1 of each diff it will be much more ridiculous
there are no alphabet bridges thing on the other diff names u have mentioned so those diff name looks kinda bad imo and no one would use those
also again i used this diff name cuz there are multiple other insane and extras already, i agree if theres only 1 of each diff it will be much more ridiculous
It does even matter? Easynormal normalhard hardinsane insaneextra then..Deppyforce wrote:
they wont cuz the e is the bridge between insane and extra here so i merged it
there are no alphabet bridges thing on the other diff names u have mentioned
I'll ask some QATs about this
Also can someone tell me how is an Insanextra easier than a Miniature Extra? or why an another is between all the extras? I really don't get those difficulty names
I feel insanextra is very fine since a normal player will recognise the difficulty instantly... It's similar to 'More Insane', which is also used in some mapsets.
See, people are complaining about the diffname. It might be better if you change it instead to Expert or Light Extra. As everyone said, if you can do Insaneextra as a diffname then we can use Easynormal or normalhard too then. But that is too dumb which is might misleads some people and future mappers to use the diffname as reference of difficulty naming. They would be like "Hey, this map has a difficulty name with Insaneextra in it, then we are also fine to use it too".
About the BG, kinda agree with Natsu. Using another BG is better than using the same BG on previously ranked map of this song. I hope things are going well in this discussion ww.
Btw, its DQ'ed but... its still on qualified status?
Raiden wrote:
Just as a two extra cents post, if we allow "Insanextra" we might as well allow "Easormal" and "Norard"
Don't you think it's a bit ridiculous?
Natsu wrote:
Instead of justify in previews ranked maps, we should focus in don't make the same mistakes. If this is fine here, then a spread like: Easormal - Normahard - Hardinsane - Insanextra - Extrultra would be fine too!
I Never know that pishi has a ranked map that is also use that kind of diff name so... i dont know anymore then about this but pishi's map is ranked last year anyway so. Repeating the same thing on last year is not a good thing for me. If the mapper dont want to change then. Its alright but at least you can Remove the "Force of" Sentence in the diffname lol . Thats all i wanted to say i guess... since im the first person who starts this discussion.Yuii- wrote:
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/679817&m=0 nobody complained about this difficulty, that is why I defend its naming. I would like a change, but would not call it unrankable.
About the BG, kinda agree with Natsu. Using another BG is better than using the same BG on previously ranked map of this song. I hope things are going well in this discussion ww.
Btw, its DQ'ed but... its still on qualified status?
Just because it was allowed in the past doesn't mean the community can't take a step forward to start naming things to actually make sense
I get that you wanna be unique and all as this set is bogged down with tons of diffs, but honestly it just looks bad lol
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Since everything what was said above is related to guest mappers, I think we should know what do they think. Everything what is related to me is BG. I will try to find another BG, but I do not promise anything.
i like how the girl in the bg isnt izumi akazawa
will only change my diff name if its somehow unrankable and must be changed, not from hate
cuz this is mapped by me and u guys are not going to force me to change anything i dont want to, its my map
i am a human and i make my own choices
cuz this is mapped by me and u guys are not going to force me to change anything i dont want to, its my map
i am a human and i make my own choices
Such a philosophic post, amen.Deppyforce wrote:
will only change my diff name if its somehow unrankable and must be changed, not from hate
cuz this is mapped by me and u guys are not going to force me to change anything i dont want to, its my map
i am a human and i make my own choices
[Waji's Another]
Personally I think this difficulty could be a bit better if you would work more around angles and transitions. Some linear flows/movements seem very awkward and not matching with your mapping style. хд
Personally I think this difficulty could be a bit better if you would work more around angles and transitions. Some linear flows/movements seem very awkward and not matching with your mapping style. хд
- 00:08:509 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - Unsure on why this pattern is decreasing its spacing like that, it does not seem right. The music is getting more and more intense before the pause on 00:12:965 - so reducing the spacing does not make too much sense, to be honest. slightly reduced the spacing....
- 00:30:638 (4,5,1) - This type of linear flow with a very noticeable spacing with the same type of snapping does not quite work. I would try a different angle or something to make it better to play. for example...?
- 00:51:133 (5,1) - Stacking is ruining the emphasis put on (1). Consider unstack. I changed
- 01:01:678 (7,8) - Why are these so spaced even though the music is noticeable more calm? changed the spacing
- 01:06:727 (1,2,3,4) - Pattern here can easily be misread as a 1/2 pattern due to the spacing used. Also, 1/4 slider+triplet tends to be quite harsh for players as they are way too used to 1/4 slider+double. 5 notes would be more appreciated, in my opinion. It's not too hard
- 01:09:103 - Huge spike difficulty here. The aim required to snap this section properly is more big than what you would think. Also, why is there a spam of 1/2 circles? That does not sound right. On a side note, the first pattern is completely different to 01:13:856 (1,2,3) - . Stuff can be done here.
- 01:19:648 (1) - Any reason for the whistle on the slidertail? Seems off.
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ArtistUnicode:赤沢泉美(CV.米澤 円)
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Deppy's Dramanother
lol i'm surprised there is no "Another" diff with that anime name :thinking:
lol i'm gay
lol i'm gay
Oh comon deppy, just because vinxis named his diff "Kamal's Extra" you should do the same ? It's just litteraly stupid to do things like someone else because it's rankable, like Kamal's Extra is dumb aswell, and even more because not everybody knows who's Kamal, but w/e.. if you really like "Force of Deppy" just rename like that, your actual name is deppyforce, so name your diff correctly, stop making things memes everywhere and keep this serious stuff.
Same stuff for your "Insanextra", this name is not even in the dictionnary, it doesn't even mean anything.. And there are plenty words that can qualify this kind of diff, like Expert or Another for exemple, and those terms actually mean something.
I actually agree with Natsu for that, if Insanextra is passable then you can do that with others diffs, but NO. You have stuff like Advanced, Hyper, Another, and so on.. So I mean, just don't.
Also concerning this mapset, I try to get into it with a mod asap if I have time. Because holy i'm totally against those overdone jumps, and forced paterns.
Same stuff for your "Insanextra", this name is not even in the dictionnary, it doesn't even mean anything.. And there are plenty words that can qualify this kind of diff, like Expert or Another for exemple, and those terms actually mean something.
I actually agree with Natsu for that, if Insanextra is passable then you can do that with others diffs, but NO. You have stuff like Advanced, Hyper, Another, and so on.. So I mean, just don't.
Also concerning this mapset, I try to get into it with a mod asap if I have time. Because holy i'm totally against those overdone jumps, and forced paterns.
hi sotarks wtf i did everything with my own reason i just happened to find some reference maps by chance
Topic Starter
The diff name is actually not unrankable. Deppyforce doesn't want to change it. It is his opinion. Stop forcing us name the diff as you want. It's not your set!
Calm down Sotarks
Topic Starter
since good BG source wasn't provided, let me use this. It's related to anime, so should be fine. There is still wrong character because I didn't find anything major with Izumi Akazawa
Slayed's thoughts on this.
I think that continuing to argue about that is useless, guys.
Insanextra is really fine in my opinion, Deppy merged two diffnames which ended and started (insane and extra) with an E. I think it isn't a problem if we approve a such thing only for Insane and Extra.
Don't agree with "Force of Deppy" tho. Doesn't make sense to be honest, mainly because it should be used in the whole mapset to have a bit of sense.
"Miniature Extra" is perfectly fine, we have mapsets like Inferno which used special difficulty names like "Agonizing Insane", yep maybe it would have more sense if used in the whole mapset, but Miniature Extra can be a perfect replacement for"Light Extra".
Guys, chill (Especially Sotarks, you're being rude), it's a difficulty name, nothing you should be salty for uwu
Hoping that I didn't make too many errors, this is the end of my post. Good luck for requalification, Shmik & GDers.
Insanextra is really fine in my opinion, Deppy merged two diffnames which ended and started (insane and extra) with an E. I think it isn't a problem if we approve a such thing only for Insane and Extra.
Don't agree with "Force of Deppy" tho. Doesn't make sense to be honest, mainly because it should be used in the whole mapset to have a bit of sense.
"Miniature Extra" is perfectly fine, we have mapsets like Inferno which used special difficulty names like "Agonizing Insane", yep maybe it would have more sense if used in the whole mapset, but Miniature Extra can be a perfect replacement for"Light Extra".
Guys, chill (Especially Sotarks, you're being rude), it's a difficulty name, nothing you should be salty for uwu
Hoping that I didn't make too many errors, this is the end of my post. Good luck for requalification, Shmik & GDers.
It's ridiculous that you are arguing about diffnames...why not just changing it because it doesn't really matter anyway? You basically tilt people with that attitude.
About the background; It is indeed boring that you are using the same background as the already ranked set, and I just looked up for a bg from Izumi Akazawa and couldn't really find anything that fits either, but why don't you use use a completely different art from this character then? It's not a big deal and gives some variety atleast. Oops. Nvm.
And yeah, the last diff is actually a bit overkill if you ask me, but that's the super cool 6* TV Size meta, nothing anyone can do about it I suppose.
And yeah, the last diff is actually a bit overkill if you ask me, but that's the super cool 6* TV Size meta, nothing anyone can do about it I suppose.
Topic Starter
hey, it was changedStjpa wrote:
About the background; It is indeed boring that you are using the same background as the already ranked set, and I just looked up for a bg from Izumi Akazawa and couldn't really find anything that fits either, but why don't you use use a completely different art from this character then? It's not a big deal and gives some variety atleast.
Hi, I'm not related to Sotarks.
There are two naming issues, 'Force of Deppy' (which is nothing more than a subpar meme) is the first. In practically all your other GDs I've ever seen you use 'Deppy's' which is much more appropriate and more recognizable. In reference to 'Kamal's Extra' on Kaifin's map and a few others (Citation Needed), one needs to remember that those maps were not disqualified with immense discussion regarding diffnames, this one was.
The other name that needs to be changed is also FCL's 'Miniature' Extra. 'Light Extra' or just 'Another' would be more appropriate. The reason Miniature Extra is not justified (in my opinion) is that there are 5 diffs with the name 'Extra' making a Miniature Extra a bit excessive. Also consider 'Expert' or consider renaming FCL's Extra to FCL's Extreme (since its the top non-Slayed's Answer-diff) and the Miniature Extra to just Extra.
But yeah, thats my input here.
(To clarify, I haven't looked at the difficulties themselves other than a brief glance at the diffs with the questionable diffnames - so my lack of mentioning the supposedly overmapped Slayed diff is not condoning it.)
There are two naming issues, 'Force of Deppy' (which is nothing more than a subpar meme) is the first. In practically all your other GDs I've ever seen you use 'Deppy's' which is much more appropriate and more recognizable. In reference to 'Kamal's Extra' on Kaifin's map and a few others (Citation Needed), one needs to remember that those maps were not disqualified with immense discussion regarding diffnames, this one was.
The other name that needs to be changed is also FCL's 'Miniature' Extra. 'Light Extra' or just 'Another' would be more appropriate. The reason Miniature Extra is not justified (in my opinion) is that there are 5 diffs with the name 'Extra' making a Miniature Extra a bit excessive. Also consider 'Expert' or consider renaming FCL's Extra to FCL's Extreme (since its the top non-Slayed's Answer-diff) and the Miniature Extra to just Extra.
But yeah, thats my input here.
(To clarify, I haven't looked at the difficulties themselves other than a brief glance at the diffs with the questionable diffnames - so my lack of mentioning the supposedly overmapped Slayed diff is not condoning it.)
I agree with Cryptic here cuz there's no reason to have ranked GDs of different names just for the fun of it, it's more sensible to keep it consistent like "Deppy's Insane". Also, FCL's diff plays more like an Insane than an Extra where it's also less than 5.5* thus it should be FCL's Insane or Another or some sort. This also helps recognizing diff spread easily, or the diff names kinda mess up diff spread indirectly imo.Cryptic wrote:
Hi, I'm not related to Sotarks.
There are two naming issues, 'Force of Deppy' (which is nothing more than a subpar meme) is the first. In practically all your other GDs I've ever seen you use 'Deppy's' which is much more appropriate and more recognizable. In reference to 'Kamal's Extra' on Kaifin's map and a few others (Citation Needed), one needs to remember that those maps were not disqualified with immense discussion regarding diffnames, this one was.
The other name that needs to be changed is also FCL's 'Miniature' Extra. 'Light Extra' or just 'Another' would be more appropriate. The reason Miniature Extra is not justified (in my opinion) is that there are 5 diffs with the name 'Extra' making a Miniature Extra a bit excessive. Also consider 'Expert' or consider renaming FCL's Extra to FCL's Extreme (since its the top non-Slayed's Answer-diff) and the Miniature Extra to just Extra.
But yeah, thats my input here.
(To clarify, I haven't looked at the difficulties themselves other than a brief glance at the diffs with the questionable diffnames - so my lack of mentioning the supposedly overmapped Slayed diff is not condoning it.)
arguing about diff name is pretty dumb xdd
tho players usually see the star rate instead of look at the diff names after they dl the map, so diff name isnt rly matter imo
diff names like extra, insane etc are just like the icon, letting the player know how is the general orientation of the diff/map is
but hey just like Stjpa said, why not just changing it because it doesn't really matter anyway lol
although isnt unrankable but is pretty stupib to have a diff name like this xd
tho players usually see the star rate instead of look at the diff names after they dl the map, so diff name isnt rly matter imo
diff names like extra, insane etc are just like the icon, letting the player know how is the general orientation of the diff/map is
but hey just like Stjpa said, why not just changing it because it doesn't really matter anyway lol
although isnt unrankable but is pretty stupib to have a diff name like this xd
Thanks!Yuii- wrote:
[TheMephisto's Extra]
Got to say, I enjoyed playing and modding this difficulty, it is fun. \w/
- 00:40:292 (5,6) - I am unsure about this stack because it kind of ruins with your patterning here. Plus, mentioning that these are two completely different sounds in the music and, as such, should be represented in a different way. Yep, unstacked
- 01:06:430 (1,2) - Decreasing the spacing in such a way after all those jumps is very risky as it is a huge slow-down for the players. I do like how you did not space them that much like in the rest of the difficulties, but this is kind of a pain to play. Increased spacing just a bit, I still don't wanna make jump here .-.
- 01:20:242 (1) - Reducing the volume of the slidertail is highly recommended, it would add a more professional effect to the end of the map! Done
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By the judgement of Ephemeral on the last case of kinda stupid diffnames:
If the difficulty names don't indicate clearly who mapped them you are actually required to do a proper creditting in your beatmap description or via a storyboard. It is still borderline here but just do it anyway.
If the difficulty names don't indicate clearly who mapped them you are actually required to do a proper creditting in your beatmap description or via a storyboard. It is still borderline here but just do it anyway.
seriously
when someone qualified something unusual and someone else sees it ''bad in their opinion'', you try so fucking hard to make it gets disqualified and must be changed to your own preference, even tho the thing you thing its bad is perfectly rankable and doesnt break any rules and is the mapper's original idea or intention.(there is no way to map ''correctly'' in this game anyways) in this case i know my diff is fine so i want to keep it but u guys want to make me change so bad just bcuz u havent seen this kind of name ranked before so you think its not fine, and im not a known or famous mapper, so everything i do thats not mainstream is always wrong, bcuz u bng ppl's opinion worth more than mine, so i cant disagree with u or this mapset will not be ranked cuz of my diffname and every gder here would blame me for stuff
when pishifat did his 'insanother' ofc its fine cuz he is already a bn at that time so everything he do is right, but im not a bn so im always wrong cuz i have no power at all
and vinxis too, hes famous so kamal's extra is also fine
im fucking tired of this community ill just change it to avoid more of this stupid pointless endless drama
when someone qualified something unusual and someone else sees it ''bad in their opinion'', you try so fucking hard to make it gets disqualified and must be changed to your own preference, even tho the thing you thing its bad is perfectly rankable and doesnt break any rules and is the mapper's original idea or intention.(there is no way to map ''correctly'' in this game anyways) in this case i know my diff is fine so i want to keep it but u guys want to make me change so bad just bcuz u havent seen this kind of name ranked before so you think its not fine, and im not a known or famous mapper, so everything i do thats not mainstream is always wrong, bcuz u bng ppl's opinion worth more than mine, so i cant disagree with u or this mapset will not be ranked cuz of my diffname and every gder here would blame me for stuff
when pishifat did his 'insanother' ofc its fine cuz he is already a bn at that time so everything he do is right, but im not a bn so im always wrong cuz i have no power at all
and vinxis too, hes famous so kamal's extra is also fine
im fucking tired of this community ill just change it to avoid more of this stupid pointless endless drama
вы за*бали нести х*йню, просто возьмите и ранкните это дерьмо
To be honest, I don't get why you are all making a drama about a diff name, Deppy's diff name makes sense. "Insanextra" is a transition between Insane and Extra, he decided to call his diff like this, why would you try to change it ? Changing it because it's "stupid" is actually not a valuable reason. As Deppy said, when pishi called one of his diffs "Insanother" there was no problems with it, why would you say no if Deppy names his diff "Insanextra" ? Actually, the stupid thing is not his diffname, but your reactions to his diffname. Just because his name is not pishi, he can't do the same ?
pishi insanother was a year ago
Topic Starter
Bad art
We are not making any drama. This is how Community used to be, we arguing about opinions. But at least im not forcing you to change it, i just said. Its up to you, but if you changes it then it'll be more than good. Please examine my words more if you think that im forcing you.Deppyforce wrote:
seriously
when someone qualified something unusual and someone else sees it ''bad in their opinion'', you try so fucking hard to make it gets disqualified and must be changed to your own preference, even tho the thing you thing its bad is perfectly rankable and doesnt break any rules and is the mapper's original idea or intention.(there is no way to map ''correctly'' in this game anyways) in this case i know my diff is fine so i want to keep it but u guys want to make me change so bad just bcuz u havent seen this kind of name ranked before so you think its not fine, and im not a known or famous mapper, so everything i do thats not mainstream is always wrong, bcuz u bng ppl's opinion worth more than mine, so i cant disagree with u or this mapset will not be ranked cuz of my diffname and every gder here would blame me for stuff
when pishifat did his 'insanother' ofc its fine cuz he is already a bn at that time so everything he do is right, but im not a bn so im always wrong cuz i have no power at all
and vinxis too, hes famous so kamal's extra is also fine
im fucking tired of this community ill just change it to avoid more of this stupid pointless endless drama
Geez, why people are taking this kind of discussion into a whole new level lmao. Okay im out, im also tired to people that thinks the community are making a drama instead of discussion. And, last post of me in this beatmap's thread. I hope that this will be re-qualified sooner
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Topic Starter
Updated hitsounding, combo colors and deppy's diff name :V
Deppy's Another is better but why Another? (It's anime lol) xD
Topic Starter
And what? It's not problem at all
some people said something about the diffname of miniature extra, so let me tell why this diffname is totally fine.
As you guys could notice, there're a lot extra difficulties in the set. And my extra has a some addition in the form of "miniature" what means that there's difficulties with the small cs. So then a man, seeing this diffname will know that this diff has small cs. Pretty simple, right? The diff has word like "Extra" in the diffname as well, so there're no a problems here.
However I am totally fine if this difficulty will have diff name like "miniature another" , "miniature light extra" etc. This doesn't make many sense tho. Same goes for my normal extra, I like the idea with FLC's Extreme
now time for the reply
As you guys could notice, there're a lot extra difficulties in the set. And my extra has a some addition in the form of "miniature" what means that there's difficulties with the small cs. So then a man, seeing this diffname will know that this diff has small cs. Pretty simple, right? The diff has word like "Extra" in the diffname as well, so there're no a problems here.
However I am totally fine if this difficulty will have diff name like "miniature another" , "miniature light extra" etc. This doesn't make many sense tho. Same goes for my normal extra, I like the idea with FLC's Extreme
now time for the reply
slayed's reply:Yuii- wrote:
[FCL's Extra]
- 00:32:866 (1) - I am unsure about this NC being there, to be honest. It is introduced in a very weird way, where I (when testplaying it) got a miss as I thought it was a 1/2 circle. There is really no way of doing an inconsistent spacing stream for that, and the NC makes it hard to read as players don't expect the turn + the continous stream. i did some changes before, so now there's no stream anymore
- 00:35:836 (1,2) - Spacing here is counter-intuitive and completely differs from 00:33:460 (1,2) - as well as 00:34:648 (2,3,4,1) - . It might have been a mistake while you were moving things around, but it should be changed since it is very easy to misread. would like decline this, but actually this is true. changed
- 00:42:965 - I will be honest with you here. Spacing-wise, I truly believe you made a very good job compared to the other Extra difficulty. Rhythm-wise no, unfortunately. Ignoring what is in the song to map a full spam of 1/2 circles was not the best idea, to be honest. I would strongly recommend you to replace some of these circles to sliders as they would go along with the music much better. Also, 00:45:341 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1) - the spacing here is incredibly high and unnecessary for the difficulty. from here is starting the most intense part of the song. The background of the song reaches the peak, same goes with vocal, therefore option like mapping by only circles looks like great idea. And no, 00:45:341 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1) - is definitely not overdoned, you just don't like this way
- 00:51:727 (2) - 00:56:480 (2) - Cannot really comprehend the reason behind these 1/4 sliders. These feel very off and add an unnecessary density to the map that is not audible in the song. It does not really feel appropriate to have them here because they do not make the patterns any harder, if anything, the might look like that, when they are not, really. Actually there might be mapped like 1/4 slider all things like 00:51:430 (2) - , these really sounds like 1/4, so it's totally fine
- 00:57:965 (3,4,5) - This pattern looks quite weird, to be honest. The whole emphasis is put onto (5) when the song is emphasizing (4) instead. Something such as https://imgur-archive.ppy.sh/VbWrdQz.jpg that might help a little more. Also, the current pattern kind of makes a zig-zag-y movement, but the music does not really support that. did some changes
- 00:59:004 (4,5) - Stack here breaks with the momentum you were building earlier, having to stand on clicking objects and them moving again at high-speed is not really a good pattern and very risky. nah, this doesn't break the movement, I did similar stacks for same vocal sounds, and it worked
- 01:04:054 (3,4) - There is some very noticeable inconsistency here that should be changed 01:02:866 (3,4) - 01:05:242 (3,4) - . i did this cuz I haven't heard the vocal there
- 01:18:608 (1,2) - Not sure if you want to keep this, it is way too exaggerated. just don't think so
[Slayed's Answer]
- 00:19:202 (1,2,3) - The angle and spacing used in this pattern is very different from everything else in this section. I do not think this was done intentionally as it is very recognizable. I would suggest you to place 00:19:648 (2) - in between 00:19:796 (3,4) - to make it more consistent as well as not to snappy compared to everything else. Even 00:28:707 (1,2,3,4) - is different from it as the distance from (2,3) is more big (although it should not be like that, since you are always emphasizing the sound on 00:29:153 - so it makes it weird anyway). w-w-what.. um.. thats the most senseless thing ive ever heard lol. if i will put it between 00:19:796 (3,4) -, that will mean that im going to emphasise 00:19:648 (2) - this beat like a lot, while there are litterally no strong sound.. the flow here is totally fine and fits the overall style of the map very well, so it shouldnt be a prolem if i keep it
- 00:42:965 - Section here is when things start getting a bit crazy. I get it is a build-up section, and, as such, you started to increase the spacing, that is perfectly fine, I actually support that. The thing is, it builds-up at a very weird spot and incredibly fast, when it should not be like that. For that reason, the 00:45:341 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - doubles at this section lose complete emphasis due to the spacing used previously. In my opinion, the rest of the Extra difficulties did a better job on this section by incrementing the spacing as the music gets more intense, but I will speak of them later on. tbh, i dont think that anything is wrong with it actually. music gets more intense, and so the map do. 00:45:341 - strong sounds here are emphasised buy the ncs and i think that its okay, since it plays nicely.. so id like to keep it again as it is
- 00:49:796 (4) - Ctrl+G'ing this slider (and re-arranging it later on, else the distance would be huge) would be much better as it would prevent a linear pattern which is not being done anywhere in the map. tbh dont really like how this looks if id ctrl+G it, so id prefer to keep it..
- 00:50:688 (3,4) - Stack kills the whole momentum of the section and it is also being inconsistent with 00:48:608 (4,5) - (although the spacing should/could be decreased because (5) is not really that accentuated in the background music) which is a problem. Consider unstack. idk how to put so the flow wont visually suck, maybe you have any ideas? :s
- 01:05:539 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - This pattern is way too much. its not, since the climax part of the song
- 01:12:074 (3,4,5,6) - Jumps here feel very overdone after you play 01:12:668 (1,2,1,2,3,4) - since the intensity is the complete opposite and the spacing of said pattern is the same. Starting the jump section at 01:12:668 (1) - would feel more natural. if you listen to the song, u will see that the intense part of the melody starts here 01:11:480 - so its actually more logical to start some jumpy things from there... 01:11:480 (1,2) - these are sliders because i wanted to diversify the gameplay and make it more interesting. if we are talking about emphasis, 01:12:668 (1,2,1,2,3,4,1,2) - these are emphasised more than 01:12:074 (3,4,5,6) - these because ncs and hitsounds. so.. i think that this moment is okay too, hope you understand my points..
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Artist:Izumi Akazawa (CV. Madoka Yonezawa)
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Topic Starter
updated flc's diffs
tbh i expect miniature to be cs 6.5+ but ok
Topic Starter
i think current cs is great
did little upd for last diff
updated themefisto's diff
did little upd for last diff
updated themefisto's diff
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Double post
Yuii- wrote:
[LP's Extra]
- 00:04:054 (1,2,3) - Spacing is quite exaggerated compared to everything else in the intro. I appreciate you tried to give this pattern some emphasis, but it might be too much. As on me everything is good. I don't see anything bad.
- 00:08:955 (4,5,6) - This is not very recommendable as misreading is most likely to happen. You are not doing this pattern anywhere else in the map, so adding an additional reading challenge is not what you want to try. You could try to reduce the distance of 00:08:955 (4) - to make it more predictable. ^
- 00:48:163 (2,3) - Ctrl+G'ing the rhythm is highly recommended as it would follow the music better. There is nothing audible from 00:48:311 - to 00:48:460 - so placing a holdable object in to where there is nothing, is not a great idea. Also, considering the spacing from (1,2) and the fact that you are using a Finish hitsound on (2), the current spacing looks like an anti-jump. ++++++
- 00:45:341 (1,1,1) - and 00:56:034 (1,1,1,1,1) - and everything else - Muting the sliderends would be much more professional when you are doing these 1/4 patterns. ++++++
- 01:01:975 (1,2,3,4) - Similarly to what I have just mentioned, the spacing here looks inappropriate to what the music is providing. And, yes, the same occurs with the other two following patterns. ++++++
- 01:06:876 (2,1) - This is an anti-jump, by the way, and a very big one. It ruins the momentum you are trying to create with this pattern as a whole due to your 1/4 slider. I would strongly suggest you to replace that slider for a full triplet instead.
- 01:07:767 (2,3,4,5) - Mostly personal here, but it is very tricky to read this. It is most likely that people will read this as a full 1/2 pattern instead of this. Also, the full stack is not really the best option as they are three very distinguishable sounds, so mapping them as individual objects instead of that might sound more reasonable. ++++++
- 01:13:707 - There is a very noticeable sound in the music here, mapping this would be appreciated. ++++++
- 01:18:608 (1,1) - Why would you place a cross-screen jump at the end of the map, that does not sound appropriate and it is actually a very unwanted pattern. ++++++
- 01:19:648 (1) - Any reason for the whistle on the slidertail? Seems off. ++++++
map : https://puu.sh/sJxdl.osu
thanks yui~
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updated.
Insanextra at least shows difficulty, but no. It's not a word and therefore shouldn't be used
Please note that I have an old (Taiko) map, which uses diffnames as Futsukashii, Muzoni. I talked to multiple QATs/BNs and they ALL said it was perfectly fine. Then why on earth, is it not allowed in a gamemode which much more leniency in diff-naming
Time to rebub
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∆o∆
Hello again!
Sorry to be that guy, but I never gave the "okay" to this mapset and my concerns did not get replied properly. Yes, I did see the PM you sent me yesterday, a couple of minutes ago, so I couldn't reply. I was busy, that was my bad for not checking my phone every 5 minutes.
Anywa, quoting the BNG rules:
Also,
Good luck!
Sorry to be that guy, but I never gave the "okay" to this mapset and my concerns did not get replied properly. Yes, I did see the PM you sent me yesterday, a couple of minutes ago, so I couldn't reply. I was busy, that was my bad for not checking my phone every 5 minutes.
Anywa, quoting the BNG rules:
If something you bubbled or nominated gets disqualified, you must not rebubble or requalify it, unless the community that wanted the disqualification and the mapper make an agreement.Lama Poluma's answer are not well detailed- saying "is it good to me" is not a proper answer and does not help the modder understanding why you decided to do that.
Also,
wajinshu wrote:
[Waji's Another]
- 00:30:638 (4,5,1) - This type of linear flow with a very noticeable spacing with the same type of snapping does not quite work. I would try a different angle or something to make it better to play. for example...? - What do you think about something like http://i.imgur.com/g9pdIp7.jpg so it forces the player not to do a linear movement?
Once you have applied/replied so all those points in a proper way, feel free to call Bara- and/or Rizia for a rebubble.FCL wrote:
slayed's reply:Yuii- wrote:
[FCL's Extra]
- 00:35:836 (1,2) - Spacing here is counter-intuitive and completely differs from 00:33:460 (1,2) - as well as 00:34:648 (2,3,4,1) - . It might have been a mistake while you were moving things around, but it should be changed since it is very easy to misread. would like decline this, but actually this is true. changed - This hasn't been addressed.
- 00:42:965 - I will be honest with you here. Spacing-wise, I truly believe you made a very good job compared to the other Extra difficulty. Rhythm-wise no, unfortunately. Ignoring what is in the song to map a full spam of 1/2 circles was not the best idea, to be honest. I would strongly recommend you to replace some of these circles to sliders as they would go along with the music much better. Also, 00:45:341 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1) - the spacing here is incredibly high and unnecessary for the difficulty. from here is starting the most intense part of the song. The background of the song reaches the peak, same goes with vocal, therefore option like mapping by only circles looks like great idea. And no, 00:45:341 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1) - is definitely not overdoned, you just don't like this way - Of course I don't like it, it's overdone... cross-screen jumps aren't supposed to be used that way, but I won't go into too much detail about that pattern because it happens on every single ranked map. I still don't agree with you ignoring the vocals because of "the song reaches the peak". That is no reason for you to ignore every single other aspect of a song, that's not what a song is about.
- 00:59:004 (4,5) - Stack here breaks with the momentum you were building earlier, having to stand on clicking objects and them moving again at high-speed is not really a good pattern and very risky. nah, this doesn't break the movement, I did similar stacks for same vocal sounds, and it worked - Doesn't break the movement, it breaks with the momentum.
- 01:04:054 (3,4) - There is some very noticeable inconsistency here that should be changed 01:02:866 (3,4) - 01:05:242 (3,4) - . i did this cuz I haven't heard the vocal there - This is actually true, didn't notice it back then. I would still like you to change it because it ruins the momentum of the section, but it's up to you, feel free to leave it.
- 01:18:608 (1,2) - Not sure if you want to keep this, it is way too exaggerated. just don't think so - I do think so.
[Slayed's Answer]
- 00:42:965 - Section here is when things start getting a bit crazy. I get it is a build-up section, and, as such, you started to increase the spacing, that is perfectly fine, I actually support that. The thing is, it builds-up at a very weird spot and incredibly fast, when it should not be like that. For that reason, the 00:45:341 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - doubles at this section lose complete emphasis due to the spacing used previously. In my opinion, the rest of the Extra difficulties did a better job on this section by incrementing the spacing as the music gets more intense, but I will speak of them later on. tbh, i dont think that anything is wrong with it actually. music gets more intense, and so the map do. 00:45:341 - strong sounds here are emphasised buy the ncs and i think that its okay, since it plays nicely.. so id like to keep it again as it is - Quoting you: "w-w-what.. um.. thats the most senseless thing ive ever heard lol." it's actually worth quoting because I think the same about this
- 00:50:688 (3,4) - Stack kills the whole momentum of the section and it is also being inconsistent with 00:48:608 (4,5) - (although the spacing should/could be decreased because (5) is not really that accentuated in the background music) which is a problem. Consider unstack. idk how to put so the flow wont visually suck, maybe you have any ideas? :s - Struggling with your current placement, but http://i.imgur.com/6AkxfHW.jpg could work, not sure if you like it, though.
- 01:05:539 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - This pattern is way too much. its not, since the climax part of the song - It is.
- 01:12:074 (3,4,5,6) - Jumps here feel very overdone after you play 01:12:668 (1,2,1,2,3,4) - since the intensity is the complete opposite and the spacing of said pattern is the same. Starting the jump section at 01:12:668 (1) - would feel more natural. if you listen to the song, u will see that the intense part of the melody starts here 01:11:480 - so its actually more logical to start some jumpy things from there... 01:11:480 (1,2) - these are sliders because i wanted to diversify the gameplay and make it more interesting. if we are talking about emphasis, 01:12:668 (1,2,1,2,3,4,1,2) - these are emphasised more than 01:12:074 (3,4,5,6) - these because ncs and hitsounds. so.. i think that this moment is okay too, hope you understand my points.. - I rotated 01:12:371 (5,6) - by 90° http://i.imgur.com/VrQeq3P.jpg so you can see that I listened to the song. Please, do change this, jumps should start on 01:12:668 (1) - and not in the current placement, that pattern is overdone as is ignoring the music as a whole.
Good luck!
http://nnikitin.s-ul.eu/2MyFKZprYuii- wrote:
[Slayed's Answer]
- 00:42:965 - ok i 00:45:341 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - increased the spacing here a lot so now it should be better
- 00:50:688 (3,4) - yeah k i redid the whole pattern + 00:49:351 (2,3,4,5) - this
- 01:05:539 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - its not i copied this from yuitarks map
- 01:12:074 (3,4,5,6) - fukk!! u declassified my ultra ebin pp pattern so i had to change it sorry bara oh w8 its still 8 stars with dtez :__))
yui doesnt like dicks (and that suks) i also improved a e s te t hsi c s so thhis map is gay 2015/2015 owo/?b
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I change everything, thank you that has spoiled my map, Yuii- .
I change everything, thank you that has spoiled my map, Yuii- .
Topic Starter
Waiting to FCL
A friendly reminder to stay on topic and keep the thread not loaded with blaming, it doesn't help the mappers.
Topic Starter
спасибо за чистку дядя кьюнбейKyubey wrote:
A friendly reminder to stay on topic and keep the thread not loaded with blaming, it doesn't help the mappers.
Updated Slayed's, waji's, lp's diffs
FCL wrote:
Yuii- wrote:
[FCL's Extra]
- 00:35:836 (1,2) - Spacing here is counter-intuitive and completely differs from 00:33:460 (1,2) - as well as 00:34:648 (2,3,4,1) - . It might have been a mistake while you were moving things around, but it should be changed since it is very easy to misread. would like decline this, but actually this is true. changed - This hasn't been addressed. ))
- 00:42:965 - I will be honest with you here. Spacing-wise, I truly believe you made a very good job compared to the other Extra difficulty. Rhythm-wise no, unfortunately. Ignoring what is in the song to map a full spam of 1/2 circles was not the best idea, to be honest. I would strongly recommend you to replace some of these circles to sliders as they would go along with the music much better. Also, 00:45:341 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1) - the spacing here is incredibly high and unnecessary for the difficulty. from here is starting the most intense part of the song. The background of the song reaches the peak, same goes with vocal, therefore option like mapping by only circles looks like great idea. And no, 00:45:341 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1) - is definitely not overdoned, you just don't like this way - Of course I don't like it, it's overdone... cross-screen jumps aren't supposed to be used that way, but I won't go into too much detail about that pattern because it happens on every single ranked map. I still don't agree with you ignoring the vocals because of "the song reaches the peak". That is no reason for you to ignore every single other aspect of a song, that's not what a song is about. as you wish
- 00:59:004 (4,5) - Stack here breaks with the momentum you were building earlier, having to stand on clicking objects and them moving again at high-speed is not really a good pattern and very risky. nah, this doesn't break the movement, I did similar stacks for same vocal sounds, and it worked - Doesn't break the movement, it breaks with the momentum. 4 and 5 sound definitely same, I really can't being agree with that, it doesn't break the momentum cuz it has sense
- 01:04:054 (3,4) - There is some very noticeable inconsistency here that should be changed 01:02:866 (3,4) - 01:05:242 (3,4) - . i did this cuz I haven't heard the vocal there - This is actually true, didn't notice it back then. I would still like you to change it because it ruins the momentum of the section, but it's up to you, feel free to leave it. k, unstacked and changed spacing between them
- 01:18:608 (1,2) - Not sure if you want to keep this, it is way too exaggerated. just don't think so - I do think so. I don't think so, but you do think. (1) and (2) have mostly strong and important sounds in the song, so this spacing has sense in my opinion
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