I couldn't find anything. Really pretty map and Awesome SB
Star~ + KDStar~

Rukarioman wrote:

I couldn't find anything. Really pretty map and Awesome SB
Star~ + KDStar~

Omg, thank you~♥ ;u;

Such a nice song...

[Normal]
Add Kiai Time to the Timing Section at 01:19:627
There are some spacing problems...Check AIMOD

[Hard]
^ Do the same thing for the Kiai Time

Its a great map!...Also I made a difficulty...If you want to use it feel free to

~STAR!!!

Download: Hatsune Miku - Cardioid (Lanttu) [Zetsubou Sensei's Normal].osu

Zetsubou Sensei wrote:

Such a nice song...

[Normal]
Add Kiai Time to the Timing Section at 01:19:627 Light colors and white background are not good with kiai. ;_;
There are some spacing problems...Check AIMOD Little jumps, I hope they're OK like that. ;w;

[Hard]
^ Do the same thing for the Kiai Time ^

Its a great map!...Also I made a difficulty...If you want to use it feel free to

Oh, thanks~ ^^

Oi

[Skin]
1) You have color the star2, because star2 is really hard to see
2) No fail-background?

[Normal]
00:49:869 (2) - Move 1 grid up?
00:57:127 (2,3) - Spacing error

[Zetsubou Sensei's Normal]
Kiai time is too bright O.O

01:23:982 (4,5) - Spacing error
01:30:998 (1) - Clap at start is bad, IMO

[Hard]
00:44:304 (7) - New combo?
00:45:272 (1) - Remove new combo?

You are genious!
STAR

Hi :3
General
No Source? add "Vocaloid2" to Source?
Normal
00:59:788 (2,3) 1 grid up (grid lv3)
Zetsubou Sensei's
00:20:353 (4) 1 grid left
01:23:740 (3) 1 grid up
Hard
okay

nice & pretty
star~

banvi wrote:

General
No Source? add "Vocaloid2" to Source?

Or you may add "DATEKEN" as the source too, as he's the creator, your choice (No kudosu for this please)
EDIT: Also, add "Append" and "Soft" either to the artist or to the tags, as this was created using Miku's Soft Append.

Leorda wrote:

[Zetsubou Sensei's Normal]
Kiai time is too bright O.O I think it's fine.
01:23:982 (4,5) - Spacing error Fixed.
01:30:998 (1) - Clap at start is bad, IMO Fixed.

[quote="banvi"]
Zetsubou Sensei's
00:20:353 (4) 1 grid left Fixed.
quote]

Thanks.

Download: Hatsune Miku - Cardioid (Lanttu) [Zetsubou Sensei's Normal].osu

Everything fixed, except source and heart2. I think they're both fine the way they are now. ^^;

I love this song, the storyboard and just the beatmap itself is amazing <3 Keep up the good work~ star~

lol I thought Cardioid is defined as r=1+cos x

[hard]
0:17:449 (1,2,3,4,5) spacing of (1,2,3) different from (3,4)? though acceptable for me
1:00:756 (5,6) left 1 grid
1:05:837 (1,2,1,2...) just a suggestion: put some whistle, e.g. whistle for every (1)?
1:30:998 (2) nice but too flat for this~ make a rounder one? :3
1:46:482 (1) ^

[normal]
0:19:627 (2,4) right 1 grid
1:05:837 (1,2,1,2,...) refer to hard
Cardioid sliders refer to hard

very nice SB and song~
star^2

[quote="wmfchris"]lol I thought Cardioid is defined as r=1+cos x Lol I suck at maths, no idea about that. X'D Just copied the suff in description from wikipedia~

[hard]
0:17:449 (1,2,3,4,5) spacing of (1,2,3) different from (3,4)? though acceptable for me Just for symmetry. :3
1:00:756 (5,6) left 1 grid Bu-but it breaks symmetry if I move 5 and I can't move 6 alone. ;3;
1:05:837 (1,2,1,2...) just a suggestion: put some whistle, e.g. whistle for every (1)? I like that, sure. ^^
1:30:998 (2) nice but too flat for this~ make a rounder one? :3 Sob I know but then I'd have to redo the storyboard arrow and that was horrible to do. ;_;
1:46:482 (1) ^

[normal]
0:19:627 (2,4) right 1 grid You're probably referring to Zatsubou's diff because I have no notes there~
1:05:837 (1,2,1,2,...) refer to hard Yup~
Cardioid sliders refer to hard ;___;

very nice SB and song~
And a kudosu star, thank you very much<3 ;~;

No spinners in every difficulty? Well, I don't really mind, but kinda weird.


[Zetsubou]
01:33:175 (3,4) - Newb killer. The second you put beats 1/4 apart on a Normal, it's bad for newbies. Two repeat sliders so close on the map itself is bad, too.
There are others that are like ^, you should fix them.

star~

Hey~
Nice storyboard ^^

Hey...I fixed up some stuff...Here ya go =3

Download: Hatsune Miku - Cardioid (Lanttu) [Zetsubou Sensei's Normal].osu

Awesome! This map really feels classy
And the song is very nice.

Only one thing: the spacing change @1:03:659 on Zetsubou Sensei's Normal isn't good, since the distance in time stays the same.

It`s really a nice mapset
timing is really off, (BPM is a bit too fast)
i can`t time it well, i may look for some timing helps

Alace wrote:

timing is really off, (BPM is a bit too fast)
i can`t time it well, i may look for some timing helps

Now that you mention it, yeah.

I looked into it, and the tempo (124 bpm) is actually correct. However, starting from the piano chord at 01:18, everything is delayed about 20ms, so a new timing section is needed there.

Change the offset of the very first section to 17.465 and add a new one with the following settings:

FireballFlame wrote:

Alace wrote:

timing is really off, (BPM is a bit too fast)
i can`t time it well, i may look for some timing helps

Now that you mention it, yeah.

I looked into it, and the tempo (124 bpm) is actually correct. However, starting from the piano chord at 01:18, everything is delayed about 20ms, so a new timing section is needed there.

Change the offset of the very first section to 17.465 and add a new one with the following settings

Thank you so much<3 ;_; Fixed~

You set the offset for the new section to 77.725 instead of 77.485 - was that intentional? The metronome is off

FireballFlame wrote:

You set the offset for the new section to 77.725 instead of 77.485 - was that intentional? The metronome is off

Ehhehehehe.. Ooops, I didn't notice that at all. OTL Fixed again!

i got help from Lybydose and QQ oneesama
BPM:123.97
offset:17471
delete the second red line and resnap all notes,also you need to check green lines

if you agree with this timing, you need to do a lot of works to SB and full submit

Alace wrote:

i got help from Lybydose and QQ oneesama
BPM:123.97
offset:17471
delete the second red line and resnap all notes,also you need to check green lines

if you agree with this timing, you need to do a lot of works to SB and full submit

Well, I fixed the BPM and offset, but do I really have to redo the SB? ;_; I mean, it's only ~3ms difference, there's no way that someone is going to notice that with naked eyes?

alace asked me

make it bigger (the cardiod anim)

-SiN- wrote:

alace asked me

make it bigger (the cardiod anim)

It's bigger now~ ... . . .When it finishes the uploading.

I can`t really notice too
if you want your SB fitting the map better, you can do it
but you don`t really HAVE YO do this
it`s all up to you

if you don`t feel like to redo that tiny SB things, just PM me online
i will recheck the map

-SiN- wrote:

SPOILER

Yeahhh, but it was the BPM that was changed, so it's not the same in the beginning and end? ;___;

//EDIT YEAHH I forgot the +6ms offset change, edited it to storyboard also.

<Zetsubou Sensei's Normal>
some of your sliders have sliderwhistle sounds, i don`t kniw if you set those on purpose
00:25:214 (1) -
00:29:086 (1) -
take few examples here, feel free to keep or temove those

Alace wrote:

i got help from Lybydose and QQ oneesama
BPM:123.97
offset:17471
delete the second red line and resnap all notes,also you need to check green lines

STOP!

Before you do anything else about the timing, please believe me that it is not 123.97bpm and that my advice was correct (apart from one detail). I will show proof immediately; it will take a bit to make screenshots and write the explanation...

Here we go...

http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/2302/fullsong.png
This is the full song.

The program I used to open it is FL Studio. FL Studio has a "detect tempo" algorithm which told me that the song is 124 bpm. But let's not trust that one, let's check it ourselves.
First, we need a reference point in the beat that we can work with. The bass drum isn't good for this (since low frequency = slow wave) so I've used the "snare drum" (I don't know if it's really a snare drum, but you hopefully know which one I mean).
A weird thing I have noticed about this song is that the snare drum shifts. If you divide the song in groups of 4 measures each (starting from the first measure to have drums), the drum starts to plays a tiny bit later in each measure. Starting with the next group however, it is spot-on again. This means we can only use the first snare in every 4 measures as a reference point.

So our first reference point is the first snare sound in the song, about 18 seconds into it.
http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/6930/firsth.png

Note that I've synced the grid in the background to 124bpm and matched the snare to one of the vertical lines (which are 1/16th of a beat apart).
Scrolling through the song, it shows that all of our other reference points (that is, every first snare in every 4 measures, as explained above) match the grid as well, which means: 124bpm must be correct. See for yourself:

http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/690/lastbeforequitepart.png
This is the last reference point (57 seconds in) before what I call "the quiet part" starts (1:04 minutes in).

But the map was set to 124bpm in the first place. If that's the correct tempo, then why did it sound off?
Well, this is why:

http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/8994/firstafterquietpart.png
This is the first reference point - the first snare - after aforementioned quite part. You'll notice it's off.
But not only this one. Starting from this one, all of them are. So the bold "all" I wrote earlier is only true until the quiet part.
However, I will now realign the song, so that this "first reference point after the quite part" matches the beat again:

http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/5272/firstafterquietpart3tic.png
Same position, same tempo (124bpm still), I just moved the song a bit to the left. Now it fits again. And so does the rest of the song. I'll prove it with the last reference point in the song (1:42 in):

http://img810.imageshack.us/img810/4760/last.png

The conclusion of all of this is:
The song is indeed 124bpm, there is only a small delay/offset change somewhere in the quiet part. Because the last syllable Miku sings at 1:16 still fits the grid before I moved the song ...
http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/5141/lastmikusyllablebeforeq.png
... we can narrow down the interval to 2 seconds. Yes I know, it doesn't fit exactly, but she's the singer after all, not the drums, so that's to be expected. And it's a lot less than the first reference point after the quiet part was and in the other direction too.
Anyway, in those remaining 2 seconds, we have a piano chord. At 1:18.

http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/2658/thepianochord.png
And as you can see, this one is off quite a bit.

So..........
just like I said in this post, the offset change is before the piano chord.
And 124bpm is correct.


For the sake of completeness, let's try 123.97bpm, like Alace said:

http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/7037/12397first.png
First reference point in the song: check.

http://img813.imageshack.us/img813/91/12397firstafterquietpar.png
First reference point after the quite part: check.

But that's it. All the others don't fit. The last reference point before the quite part, or the last one in the song, or any other one...
http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/4604/12397lastbeforequietpar.png
http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/738/12397last.png

So the 123.97bpm kinda do compensate for the offset change, but aren't correct. 124 is the way to go.



There only remaining question is: how big exactly is this offset change?
And that's the single detail that I mentioned in my previous post, the one I might not have gotten right. I said "about 20ms", but let's calculate the correct value:

http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/2789/markers.png
I opened the song in FL Studio's wave editor and marked 3 reference points (please read the orange captions).
I marked them VERY precisely.
http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/2647/sampleperfect.png

And now, reading the positions from that editor:
"First" is @ 18.467 seconds
"Last before quiet part" is @ 57.176 seconds
"First after quiet part" is @ 80.418 seconds

"First" and "Last before quiet part" are 20 measures from each other in the song.
"First" and "First after quiet part" are 32 measures from each other in the song.

57.176 seconds - 18.467 seconds = 38.709 seconds
80.418 seconds - 18.467 seconds = 61.951 seconds

Now, extrapolating where "First after quiet part" should be, if the tempo remained constant:
38.709 seconds / 20 measures * 32 measures = (38.709 / 20 * 32) seconds = 61.9344 seconds after "First"

Subtracting this from the actual distance between "First after quiet part" and "First", we get:
61.951 seconds - 61.9344 seconds = 0.0166 seconds = 16.6ms

And this is our offset change before the piano chord.


So please use 124bpm for your first timing section, and for the one that does not inherit the previous settings as well.
Set the offset for the latter to the offset of the first one plus 60.017.


edit: oops, little mistake corrected

longest mod i've ever seen

Agreed, that's pretty damn impressive I say. O_O

I'll do the changes when I come from the school. o/ Do-do-do done!

http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/29467
yeah i guess it`s ok now
just wait for the guest mapper`s reply

Alace wrote:

<Zetsubou Sensei's Normal>
some of your sliders have sliderwhistle sounds, i don`t kniw if you set those on purpose
00:25:214 (1) -
00:29:086 (1) -
take few examples here, feel free to keep or temove those

Hm..Thanks for pointing that out, I removed them... (dont know why they were on like that any way) =P

Here you go.

Download: Hatsune Miku - Cardioid (Lanttu) [Zetsubou Sensei's Normal].osu

Awesome. ^_^/ *update*

ahh lovely SB <3 -star-

if you add the whistle on the WHOLE slider, you will have that sliderwhistle sound
Adding hitsounds on the slider end of head should be fine


EDIT:oh silly me, the mp3 is 320kps, the rule is the rule, plz change a new mp3
maybe you need a new offset


EDIT2:haha you can use 192kps mp3 in fact,(use your old 320kps mp3 or lossless file to do),
by the way, if you want to keep this 128kps one, +20ms to all timing lines

Alace wrote:

haha you can use 192kps mp3 in fact,(use your old 320kps mp3 or lossless file to do),
by the way, if you want to keep this 128kps one, +20ms to all timing lines

I'm using this 128, I don't have the 320-cut version anymore. ;u; +20 offset~

i wish i have found this eailer so i can ask u a guest diff.... too late now i guess Q_Q

love the song, good map <3

sorry i am so late to recheck it
rebubble

This storyboard is amazing!
Hard is fine

Zetsubou's Normal:
01:03:216 (1,2,3,4,5) - Please fix this spacing. I know that Distance Spacing tells you it's right because of the slow down, but it does not look or feel right. Please respace.
I don't particularily like this diff to be honest, and as you already have a normal difficulty, I'd just remove this one, but that's obviously up to you.

Easy is fine.

Fix the spacing to get a rebubble.

I enjoyed the sb but please please turn off letterboxing in breaks, it kind of ruins it atm.
Also, get a better name for one of the normals. You could get away with calling the first one Easy probably.

Larto wrote:

and as you already have a normal difficulty, I'd just remove this one, but that's obviously up to you.

Since it's been over a month since Zetsubou Sensei has posted/played anything and one of his/her(?) pending maps has already gone to graveyard, I removed it.. T_T

Zetsubou, poke me if you come alive again before this gets ranked.

so i may rebubble it

♥

Congratulations for the rank~

Congrats Lanttu

i love the theme used in this song so much