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Mika Kobayashi - Through My Blood

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Akitoshi
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Joined August 2014
Akitoshi

Beomsan wrote:

[Akitoshi]
  1. 01:05:266 (5) - 01:04:797 (3) - The narrow distance between the two looks like messy. http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/5881336 i moved that a bit
  2. 01:25:891 (1) - this slider should be cut at 01:26:360 - here not 01:26:516 - here Elec Guitar actually ends there.
  3. 01:48:391 (4) - 01:46:516 (5) - 01:50:266 (5) - these are a relatively narrow distance. for example) 01:42:766 (4) - 01:44:641 (6) - I want to recommend distance reunification of all. they aren't overlapping so i think it will be fine imo
thank you~
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Title:Through My Blood
TitleUnicode:Through My Blood
Artist:Hiroyuki Sawano feat. Mika Kobayashi
ArtistUnicode:澤野弘之 feat. 小林未郁
Creator:Janpai
Version:Akitoshi's Insane
Source:甲鉄城のカバネリ
Tags:Koutetsujou no Kabaneri of the Iron Fortress Mumei Episode 4 BGM Background Music OST Original Soundtrack cAnON Akitoshi
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Grrum
886 posts
Joined November 2011
Grrum
Hi-yo. From my queue. Hope this helps.

[Misery]

Map looks like a ranked map

00:31:516 (1) – Try making this a ½ slider instead since a ¾ slider makes this a bit intense when the section is overall calm and imo there's no need to emphasize anything when it takes the player out of the calm rhythm of this section.

00:39:172 (5,6) – Consider making this a jump instead?

00:39:954 (1,2) - try deleting (2) and just make (1) end there. Having this much note density feels too intense for the music. A slider end on this part of the music helps calm it down.

00:41:829 (1,2,3,4,5) – This section of the music isn't that much stronger than before. I agree with the general feel of the pattern, but could you nerf the spacing by like 80 or 90%? The increased rhythm is good enough for a more intense section. Applies to every other jump part like this like 00:43:079 (2,3,4,5) - etc

01:55:579 (5,6,1,2,3,4,5,1) – I would have done something like this: http://puu.sh/qR53I/9ebdb0fa65.jpg . The point is that (3) is a strong note since this is where the guitar hits, so I think you should change the flow here to make the new instrument feel new instead of repeating what you just did.

[Normal]

00:28:391 (3) – Have you tried this as just a circle? Relaxing the rhythm a bit could make this section a bit calmer with might have nicer pacing. Same applies to most of the ½ sliders in this section: 00:29:329 (2) - , 00:32:141 (3) - , etc

00:34:329 (1) – Imo, this doesn't feel right to have this as a break. The music isn't significantly weaker than what comes before it for me to want to stop playing. I suggest you map this and go with the guitar if you don't want to go with the singer.

01:03:860 (5,2) – These objects are really close/cramped. Either don't blanket 01:04:329 (1,2) – or set up (1) better to give these a bit of distance.

[Hard]

00:34:329 (1) – Same as Normal

01:01:985 (6,7) – Try making this one reverse slider. This part feels just a little too note dense.
01:15:110 (4,5) – Similarly, try deleting (5) and make (4) into a 1/1 slider. Goes kind of nicely with the singer and lowering the note density is good to set up the higher note density at 01:15:579 (1,2) -

01:25:891 (1) – hmmmm. I'm probably crazy, but try making this end at 01:26:438 - , sounds like the guitar ends here instead.

[Insane]

SV is really low. I'm not a fan.

00:38:079 (1) – There's rhythm in here. Might want to map it.

01:49:797 (3) – and 01:50:735 (7) – and 01:51:672 (3) – I like this rhythm a lot. I really think you nailed what the singer is doing with having these sliders being on the “tam's.” But then you break this pattern at 01:53:547 (3) - . It just feels like you're betraying what you're trying to do by not having this be a slider.

Overall nice mapset. Have a star. Good luck!
Janpai
1,288 posts
Joined March 2015
Topic Starter
Janpai

pinataman wrote:

Hi-yo. From my queue. Hope this helps.

[Misery]

Map looks like a ranked map

00:31:516 (1) – Try making this a ½ slider instead since a ¾ slider makes this a bit intense when the section is overall calm and imo there's no need to emphasize anything when it takes the player out of the calm rhythm of this section. :arrow: sure

00:39:172 (5,6) – Consider making this a jump instead? :arrow: just unstacked and make it a little bit further

00:39:954 (1,2) - try deleting (2) and just make (1) end there. Having this much note density feels too intense for the music. A slider end on this part of the music helps calm it down. :arrow: fixed

00:41:829 (1,2,3,4,5) – This section of the music isn't that much stronger than before. I agree with the general feel of the pattern, but could you nerf the spacing by like 80 or 90%? The increased rhythm is good enough for a more intense section. Applies to every other jump part like this like 00:43:079 (2,3,4,5) - etc :arrow: I hope I did right

01:55:579 (5,6,1,2,3,4,5,1) – I would have done something like this: http://puu.sh/qR53I/9ebdb0fa65.jpg . The point is that (3) is a strong note since this is where the guitar hits, so I think you should change the flow here to make the new instrument feel new instead of repeating what you just did. :arrow: I personally like the current pattern but I will gather more opinions

[Normal]

00:28:391 (3) – Have you tried this as just a circle? Relaxing the rhythm a bit could make this section a bit calmer with might have nicer pacing. Same applies to most of the ½ sliders in this section: 00:29:329 (2) - , 00:32:141 (3) - , etc :arrow: sure fixed

00:34:329 (1) – Imo, this doesn't feel right to have this as a break. The music isn't significantly weaker than what comes before it for me to want to stop playing. I suggest you map this and go with the guitar if you don't want to go with the singer. :arrow: I really intended to do a break here, yes maybe you're right that it isn't that weaker than previous sound but sounds kinda ideal to have a break here for me

01:03:860 (5,2) – These objects are really close/cramped. Either don't blanket 01:04:329 (1,2) – or set up (1) better to give these a bit of distance. :arrow: did sth

[Hard]

00:34:329 (1) – Same as Normal :arrow: ^^

01:01:985 (6,7) – Try making this one reverse slider. This part feels just a little too note dense. :arrow: okay
01:15:110 (4,5) – Similarly, try deleting (5) and make (4) into a 1/1 slider. Goes kind of nicely with the singer and lowering the note density is good to set up the higher note density at 01:15:579 (1,2) - :arrow: okie

01:25:891 (1) – hmmmm. I'm probably crazy, but try making this end at 01:26:438 - , sounds like the guitar ends here instead. :arrow: that sound is really weak imo i guess it's fine

Overall nice mapset. Have a star. Good luck!
Thank you very much for the mod and star :D
Pentori
1,157 posts
Joined November 2015
Pentori
recheck (as a bn this time!)

[Easy]
i think you can use ar 3 here. most rhythms are 2/1 and there are no potential overlaps
00:34:329 - unused timing point

[Normal]
and probably ar 5 here. again, there are no situations where patterns fade in before others fade out and most rhythms are spaced out
00:34:329 - unused timing point
00:40:657 - break is weirdly snapped here, just get rid of the blue bit
01:40:891 (4,5,6) - this plays the same as 01:55:891 (3,4,5) - yet there are more claps on 01:40:891 (4,5,6) . i assume you're not using the extra clap on 01:41:047 - to lower density. but tbh, i think its ok to do here to indicate a difference in rhythm because this diff is already quite low density

[Hard]
00:34:329 - timing point doesn't really do anything either
00:59:172 (2) - would be nice to change this to circle + 1/2 slider since the vocal starts in the middle of the slider
01:05:891 (5,1,2) - whats with spacing :/ clap on 01:07:141 (3) - seems to have the least amount
01:14:172 (2) - circle + 1/2 slider
01:56:204 (4,5,6,7) - hm freehand placement kinda looks sloppy. i think a pentagon (or hexagon if you want less curve) would look better

[Akitoshi's Insane]
hey your map is next in line
this could use od 8. with lack of triplets and a mostly jump map its pretty easy to acc
00:29:641 (4) - i assume ur using drum samplesets for the cymbals like on 00:28:391 (4) . if so, there should be one here 00:30:110
00:33:860 - 00:45:110 - 00:50:891 - ^
01:10:891 (1,3) - nazi: restack this since its a pixel off
01:17:454 (3) - 01:20:266 (4) - 01:22:141 (4) - you nc'ed every downbeat in ur kiai except in these places. is there a specific reason? (the one on 01:24:016 (4) - is fine)

[Misery]
perhaps you could use od 9. with similar reasoning i gave to akitoshi, this song is pretty much single tap so acc is easy, and making it od 9 is appropriate for 5.4 stars
00:26:360 (3,4,5) - this triangle still triggers me tbh
00:36:204 (1) - perhaps you could use a neater slider shape. this map uses mostly neat and simple sliders, yet this one feels out of place because of the wiggle. aesthetically i feel it could look better, but its up to you
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the jumps play very intuitively, nice work here!

call me back!
Janpai
1,288 posts
Joined March 2015
Topic Starter
Janpai

Pentori wrote:

recheck (as a bn this time!)

[Easy]
i think you can use ar 3 here. most rhythms are 2/1 and there are no potential overlaps
00:34:329 - unused timing point :arrow: fixed all

[Normal]
and probably ar 5 here. again, there are no situations where patterns fade in before others fade out and most rhythms are spaced out :arrow: okieee
00:34:329 - unused timing point :arrow: fixed
00:40:657 - break is weirdly snapped here, just get rid of the blue bit :arrow: but how xD idk where this came from xD
01:40:891 (4,5,6) - this plays the same as 01:55:891 (3,4,5) - yet there are more claps on 01:40:891 (4,5,6) . i assume you're not using the extra clap on 01:41:047 - to lower density. but tbh, i think its ok to do here to indicate a difference in rhythm because this diff is already quite low density :arrow: okay fixed

[Hard]
00:34:329 - timing point doesn't really do anything either :arrow: fixed xD
00:59:172 (2) - would be nice to change this to circle + 1/2 slider since the vocal starts in the middle of the slider :arrow: sure
01:05:891 (5,1,2) - whats with spacing :/ clap on 01:07:141 (3) - seems to have the least amount :arrow: yeah but the vocals seems kinda low down there and I alternated the emphasis of clap and drums
01:14:172 (2) - circle + 1/2 slider :arrow: okay
01:56:204 (4,5,6,7) - hm freehand placement kinda looks sloppy. i think a pentagon (or hexagon if you want less curve) would look better :arrow: idk if I did right but fixed xD

[Akitoshi's Insane]
hey your map is next in line
this could use od 8. with lack of triplets and a mostly jump map its pretty easy to acc
00:29:641 (4) - i assume ur using drum samplesets for the cymbals like on 00:28:391 (4) . if so, there should be one here 00:30:110
00:33:860 - 00:45:110 - 00:50:891 - ^
01:10:891 (1,3) - nazi: restack this since its a pixel off
01:17:454 (3) - 01:20:266 (4) - 01:22:141 (4) - you nc'ed every downbeat in ur kiai except in these places. is there a specific reason? (the one on 01:24:016 (4) - is fine)

[Misery]
perhaps you could use od 9. with similar reasoning i gave to akitoshi, this song is pretty much single tap so acc is easy, and making it od 9 is appropriate for 5.4 stars :arrow: but if Aki's diff would be 8 seems like it's a pretty big jump from hard with OD 6
00:26:360 (3,4,5) - this triangle still triggers me tbh
00:36:204 (1) - perhaps you could use a neater slider shape. this map uses mostly neat and simple sliders, yet this one feels out of place because of the wiggle. aesthetically i feel it could look better, but its up to you :arrow: fixed all xD
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the jumps play very intuitively, nice work here!

call me back!
Thank you very much! will call akitoshi :v btw should I give kds? xD
Pentori
1,157 posts
Joined November 2015
Pentori
no kds haha

about od, i agree with you that 7.5 is ok for aki's insane, but could you make misery at least 8.7 or 8.8?
well since he did od 8 you can do 9 tbh, see what the next bn thinks

and with the pentagon in hard, delete what you have and use this
210,354,116204,1,8,0:0:0:0:
155,281,116360,1,8,0:0:0:0:
207,206,116516,1,8,0:0:0:0:
294,233,116672,1,8,0:0:0:0:
just copy paste it in to the last line of your .osu file
Last edited by Pentori , edited 2 times in total.
Akitoshi
2,684 posts
Joined August 2014
Akitoshi

pinataman wrote:

[Insane]

SV is really low. I'm not a fan. hahahaha

00:38:079 (1) – There's rhythm in here. Might want to map it. Emphasized vocal

01:49:797 (3) – and 01:50:735 (7) – and 01:51:672 (3) – I like this rhythm a lot. I really think you nailed what the singer is doing with having these sliders being on the “tam's.” But then you break this pattern at 01:53:547 (3) - . It just feels like you're betraying what you're trying to do by not having this be a slider. changed to slider.

Pentori wrote:

[Akitoshi's Insane]
hey your map is next in line :^)
this could use od 8. with lack of triplets and a mostly jump map its pretty easy to acc ok sure
00:29:641 (4) - i assume ur using drum samplesets for the cymbals like on 00:28:391 (4) . if so, there should be one here 00:30:110
00:33:860 - 00:45:110 - 00:50:891 - ^ nice
01:10:891 (1,3) - nazi: restack this since its a pixel off w
01:17:454 (3) - 01:20:266 (4) - 01:22:141 (4) - you nc'ed every downbeat in ur kiai except in these places. is there a specific reason? (the one on 01:24:016 (4) - is fine) oops
thanks guys~

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Janpai
1,288 posts
Joined March 2015
Topic Starter
Janpai
updated xD fck net yesterday huhu
Pentori
1,157 posts
Joined November 2015
Pentori
akitoshi
missing drum sampleset on 00:33:860 - rip

janpai
u might want to run the hitsound copier again because with the cymbals you hitsounded to 00:43:391 - has a finish on misery but not on hard
and like 00:50:891 - is another example
Akitoshi
2,684 posts
Joined August 2014
Akitoshi
hoYL im sorry ;3

asd
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207,165,105110,1,2,0:0:0:0:
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Janpai
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Doyak
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I had some discussion with timing-expert BNs and here are the conclusions.

1. This song is in 6/8 meter and in this case, musically, an eighth note is not considered as 1 beat. Instead, 3 of them is considered to be a 1 beat, and it acts similar as 2/4 meter.



So theoretically this song should be in 64bpm and those 1/1 beats in the current map should be snapped at 1/3s, and 1/2 beats at 1/6s and etc.

2. HOWEVER, there is a part that uses 1/3 snaps with the current bpm, which will be changed to 1/9 snaps if we use the correct bpm. And this doesn't exist in osu! editor, so we can't do this. So keeping the current bpm(192) is the only option.

3. But there's still one thing that needs to be changed. The meter should be changed to 6/4 to keep the length of a measure correct. In other words, 00:12:766 - is not a downbeat, but just the middle beat on a measure. You can hear 00:11:829 - and 00:12:766 - has different drums, and this is not right.


I don't agree with some things of the map, so here we go.

[Misery]
* The whole map is filled with random jumps. Yes I know that there are consistent 1/2 guitar sounds(I'll just use 192bpm) in the entire song, but they're really not dominant and don't sound strong at all. You're literally using jumps everywhere if there is no vocal or other strong instruments.
* Also there is not much of structure on the jumps. I only see them pretty randomly placed. 00:11:829 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1) - What is this shape? 00:24:954 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1) - 00:58:704 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1) - etc. I can basically ask you the same thing for most of the jumps. If you only thought about the flow, I'd say flow is only a very small part of what makes a good map. You need to put more logic into your map, like why this note is here and how this is related to other notes' coordination and etc.
* What seems very strange about those jumps is very clear on the kiai. Your intention of the notes is "Emphasize vocal first. If there is no vocal, just put jumps for the guitars". But you know that the vocals much much more worth to be emphasized than the consistent/quiet guitars. This map is doing the opposite. The notes for the vocals are really easy to hit and is much less intense than the guitar jumps. I don't get what makes it fit the music, other than that it makes the map overall harder.
* There are some parts that have strong drums as well, in example, 01:10:891 (1,2,3,4,5) - . But there is literally no difference than guitar-only jumps so this is like the drums are just ignored, because you would have put jumps there anyway even if there were no drums.
* To be more specific, there are stronger sounds and weaker sounds on a same pattern. For example in 01:09:954 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - , there are drums on 01:09:954 - 01:10:110 - 01:10:422 - 01:10:735 - and others are not. So does your pattern indicate it in any ways? I don't think so.

In short, this map lacks structure and needs more logical reasons behind the patterns, not just following the atmosphere you felt.

[Akitoshi's Insane]
* I can bear the sv on the kiai. But other parts have too slow sliders. What problems this cause is that on those sliders, players have to literally just stop there, which interrupts the flow a lot. If the spacing was respectively small as well, it wouldn't be much of a problem. But this map has them like "Move fast on the circles, and just stop at the sliders" white the song is rather consistent. The length of the sliders on the slowest parts are also hard to discriminate because they're way too short so they don't intuitively be recognized by their length.
Other than that it's a good diff.

[Hard]
* 01:06:204 (1,2) - Why is this a larger spacing than 01:06:672 (2,3) - ?
* 01:13:704 (1,2) - 01:21:204 (1,2) - ^
* 01:55:891 (3) - This needs another emphasis too, more than 01:54:954 (1,2) -


You have a good sense on flow, but I expect you to put something more than that in your map in the future. That said, I'll not be the one who qualifies this. Hope you can improve your map further!

Also an irrelevant comment: Why did you just delete this map even without checking the mod? You literally wasted my time lol
Akitoshi
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@Doyak I mapped with slow SV since I heard the song itself feels so slow, and I believe that all harder diff needs faster SV imo xd
and unusual style makes ppl makes funnier to play I think.
Doyak
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Yes, it is slow. But the spacing doesn't seem to be a slow song lol, only the sv is. This is what I meant. The overall spacing is still jumpy but only the sliders are too slow, and therefore has these issues I wrote.
Janpai
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Doyak wrote:

I had some discussion with timing-expert BNs and here are the conclusions.

1. This song is in 6/8 meter and in this case, musically, an eighth note is not considered as 1 beat. Instead, 3 of them is considered to be a 1 beat, and it acts similar as 2/4 meter.



So theoretically this song should be in 64bpm and those 1/1 beats in the current map should be snapped at 1/3s, and 1/2 beats at 1/6s and etc.

2. HOWEVER, there is a part that uses 1/3 snaps with the current bpm, which will be changed to 1/9 snaps if we use the correct bpm. And this doesn't exist in osu! editor, so we can't do this. So keeping the current bpm(192) is the only option.

3. But there's still one thing that needs to be changed. The meter should be changed to 6/4 to keep the length of a measure correct. In other words, 00:12:766 - is not a downbeat, but just the middle beat on a measure. You can hear 00:11:829 - and 00:12:766 - has different drums, and this is not right. :arrow: changed the metronome to 6/4


I don't agree with some things of the map, so here we go.

[Misery]
* The whole map is filled with random jumps. Yes I know that there are consistent 1/2 guitar sounds(I'll just use 192bpm) in the entire song, but they're really not dominant and don't sound strong at all. You're literally using jumps everywhere if there is no vocal or other strong instruments. :arrow: Tbh when I map this I just consider the drums and never followed any vocals and I just put jumps whenever there are drums xD
* Also there is not much of structure on the jumps. I only see them pretty randomly placed. 00:11:829 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1) - What is this shape? 00:24:954 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1) - 00:58:704 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1) - etc. I can basically ask you the same thing for most of the jumps. If you only thought about the flow, I'd say flow is only a very small part of what makes a good map. You need to put more logic into your map, like why this note is here and how this is related to other notes' coordination and etc. :arrow: I agree that jumps are not that structured but I think it's plays a little bit okay and not that difficult to read, but I revert that thing into sliders cuz the "weak guitar" thingy you said and I didn't remove the jumps at the drum parts
* What seems very strange about those jumps is very clear on the kiai. Your intention of the notes is "Emphasize vocal first. If there is no vocal, just put jumps for the guitars". But you know that the vocals much much more worth to be emphasized than the consistent/quiet guitars. This map is doing the opposite. The notes for the vocals are really easy to hit and is much less intense than the guitar jumps. I don't get what makes it fit the music, other than that it makes the map overall harder. :arrow: I made some of the parts into slider to reduce the density and I'm really clueless what to do I'm sorry I'm not really good at this xD
* There are some parts that have strong drums as well, in example, 01:10:891 (1,2,3,4,5) - . But there is literally no difference than guitar-only jumps so this is like the drums are just ignored, because you would have put jumps there anyway even if there were no drums.
* To be more specific, there are stronger sounds and weaker sounds on a same pattern. For example in 01:09:954 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - , there are drums on 01:09:954 - 01:10:110 - 01:10:422 - 01:10:735 - and others are not. So does your pattern indicate it in any ways? I don't think so.

In short, this map lacks structure and needs more logical reasons behind the patterns, not just following the atmosphere you felt.

[Hard]
* 01:06:204 (1,2) - Why is this a larger spacing than 01:06:672 (2,3) - ? :arrow: If you've observe, I've been alternating the jumps on the whistles and claps and also vocal there is kinda lows down the tone
* 01:13:704 (1,2) - 01:21:204 (1,2) - ^ :arrow: the other one if vocal and the other one is drums
* 01:55:891 (3) - This needs another emphasis too, more than 01:54:954 (1,2) - :arrow: spaced it out


You have a good sense on flow, but I expect you to put something more than that in your map in the future. That said, I'll not be the one who qualifies this. Hope you can improve your map further! :arrow: this is a big help for me tbh xD

Also an irrelevant comment: Why did you just delete this map even without checking the mod? You literally wasted my time lol :arrow: I just feel demotivated to push the map by that time, I'm really sorry for that xD
Thank you very much Doyak! Popping the bubble cuz of timing change
HappyRocket88
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Greetings! I was told to give a look of the highest difficulty! >w< Here I go!

[Misery] Wao wao wao! I'm really impressed with the transitions that the overall patterns make leading into intuitive and catchy motions thanks to the sense of flow you've mapped with this map. I don't really know if there's any purpose behind them but I do can tell they fit the song! \(>w<)/ However, I have some few concerns I'd like to point out to see whether they can improve the fact they're meaningless for Doyak. ;w;

  1. 00:12:766 (1,2) - Lowering the distance snap here doesn't look bad but for consistent purposes, would it be better if they have large spacing as it's done along the whole map? :o
  2. 00:24:954 (1,2) - I liked how this broke the stack-consistency you managed with the drums over the previous patterns but personally saying, it feels somewhat weird to move the cursor so harshly due to the motion these two circle create. The way I see things, it would suit better if you stacked them as well as you've been doing before. Then, players would get more aware of the structure if you decided to keep it here too. :3
  3. 00:30:579 (1,2,3,1) - I'm not really sure if changing the transition of the rhythm here with this 00:31:516 (1) - is a good idea. The reason I say that is because I don't really think breaking the 1/1 chain of sliders fits well the mapset since it switches so suddenly to this 1/2 burst of rhythm. It would feel more natural if you could change it for this https://mingi.s-ul.eu/THvW79TS instead so the transition of rhythm will feel way more perceptive. Try it! :3
  4. 00:35:735 (3,1) - This spacing could be reduced as well. /u\ It's way too much for spacing on 5.54x when the next pattern lowers it to 4.16x
  5. 00:52:766 (3,4) - This is only a suggestion but I think this could fit better if you changed it for a 1/2 slider instead as long as this doesn't follow the drum-drum pattern you followed just before.
I don't have a lot of complains regarding the jumps. /o\ Maybe some of them can be nerfed as long as they don't belong to the drum-emphasis the song offers like 01:28:079 (2,3,4,5) - 01:39:329 (2,3,4,5) - etc! Best of success with this! >w<
Janpai
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HappyRocket88 wrote:

Greetings! I was told to give a look of the highest difficulty! >w< Here I go!

[Misery] Wao wao wao! I'm really impressed with the transitions that the overall patterns make leading into intuitive and catchy motions thanks to the sense of flow you've mapped with this map. I don't really know if there's any purpose behind them but I do can tell they fit the song! \(>w<)/ However, I have some few concerns I'd like to point out to see whether they can improve the fact they're meaningless for Doyak. ;w;

  1. 00:12:766 (1,2) - Lowering the distance snap here doesn't look bad but for consistent purposes, would it be better if they have large spacing as it's done along the whole map? :o :arrow: Made the spacing more wide xD
  2. 00:24:954 (1,2) - I liked how this broke the stack-consistency you managed with the drums over the previous patterns but personally saying, it feels somewhat weird to move the cursor so harshly due to the motion these two circle create. The way I see things, it would suit better if you stacked them as well as you've been doing before. Then, players would get more aware of the structure if you decided to keep it here too. :3 :arrow: okay but idk if I did right xD
  3. 00:30:579 (1,2,3,1) - I'm not really sure if changing the transition of the rhythm here with this 00:31:516 (1) - is a good idea. The reason I say that is because I don't really think breaking the 1/1 chain of sliders fits well the mapset since it switches so suddenly to this 1/2 burst of rhythm. It would feel more natural if you could change it for this https://mingi.s-ul.eu/THvW79TS instead so the transition of rhythm will feel way more perceptive. Try it! :3 :arrow: Did something about it
  4. 00:35:735 (3,1) - This spacing could be reduced as well. /u\ It's way too much for spacing on 5.54x when the next pattern lowers it to 4.16x :arrow: Nerfed
  5. 00:52:766 (3,4) - This is only a suggestion but I think this could fit better if you changed it for a 1/2 slider instead as long as this doesn't follow the drum-drum pattern you followed just before. :arrow: sure
I don't have a lot of complains regarding the jumps. /o\ Maybe some of them can be nerfed as long as they don't belong to the drum-emphasis the song offers like 01:28:079 (2,3,4,5) - 01:39:329 (2,3,4,5) - etc! Best of success with this! >w<
Many thanks Rocket =w=! I also nerf some spacings in the chorus and outro but I will ask for more opinions about the last diff xD
Chaoslitz
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Chaoslitz
m4m (sorry for late mod)

[General]
  1. metadata prove?
[Normal]
  1. 00:56:829 (1) - Put more emphasize on start of kiai? (Using 2/1 slider doesn't really emphasize the vocal on chrous imo)
  2. 01:11:829 (1) - ^
[Hard]
  1. 00:54:954 (1,2,1) - The rhythm used should be denser than in Normal diff
[Akitoshi's Insane]
  1. 01:34:329 - Missing Finish

Nice mapset :0 can only point out some minors issues, call me for rebub
Janpai
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Chaoslitz wrote:

m4m (sorry for late mod)

[General]
  1. metadata prove? :arrow: It's on the description :D
[Normal]
  1. 00:56:829 (1) - Put more emphasize on start of kiai? (Using 2/1 slider doesn't really emphasize the vocal on chrous imo)
  2. 01:11:829 (1) - ^ :arrow: Fixed both
[Hard]
  1. 00:54:954 (1,2,1) - The rhythm used should be denser than in Normal diff :arrow: I think it's fine since this is calm
[Akitoshi's Insane]
  1. 01:34:329 - Missing Finish :arrow: fixed for akitoshi xD

Nice mapset :0 can only point out some minors issues, call me for rebub
Thank you so much! updated
Chaoslitz
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Chaoslitz
looks fine now

Bubbled!
Pentori
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Pentori
recheck

turn off widescreen support on aki's diff
also now that you've nerfed misery a lot you should change these od values too because they're not suitable
insane: od 7-7.5
misery: od 8-8.5

poke me when ur done
Janpai
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Pentori wrote:

recheck

turn off widescreen support on aki's diff
also now that you've nerfed misery a lot you should change these od values too because they're not suitable
insane: od 7-7.5
misery: od 8-8.5

poke me when ur done
fixed all and I fixed it for Aki. sorry if I made sth wrong T^T updated
Pentori
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qualified!
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Congratz Janpai!! :3
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aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
thank you very much pentori <3 and for all the people who helped me in this map and akitoshi for the insane gd xD
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gratz!

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Janpai wrote:

Congatulations◉ω◉
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CONGRATZ KOHAI-CHAN :3
IamKwaN
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IamKwaN
would you mind telling me where exactly the wording "澤野弘之 feat. 小林未郁" appears?
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