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2016-06-23 04:03 estellia-: from what i can see
2016-06-23 04:03 estellia-: your easy and hard are like ok
2016-06-23 04:03 Hobbes2: ok
2016-06-23 04:04 estellia-: i can't be arsed to point out the aesthetic issues because the flow is the main thing thats trash
2016-06-23 04:04 estellia-: for easy
2016-06-23 04:04 Hobbes2: o
2016-06-23 04:04 Hobbes2: ok
2016-06-23 04:04 estellia-: 00:04:155 (2,3) - suggest mapping this to slider
2016-06-23 04:04 estellia-: so its easier to play
2016-06-23 04:05 Hobbes2: okay
2016-06-23 04:05 Hobbes2: I do that multiple parts in the song, make em all sliders?
2016-06-23 04:05 estellia-: 00:19:827 (3,4,5,1) - dont like these weird hitcircles in Easy, they make it look ugly
2016-06-23 04:05 estellia-: yes
2016-06-23 04:05 estellia-: that would make it easier for Easy players
2016-06-23 04:05 Hobbes2: Alright, will do.
2016-06-23 04:05 estellia-: the idea for easy is that its easily readable and not confusing in the slightest to help easy players play better
2016-06-23 04:05 estellia-: thats it
2016-06-23 04:05 estellia-: dont make it confusing and unreadable
2016-06-23 04:06 estellia-: on to normal
2016-06-23 04:06 Hobbes2: yea i was worried that the rhythm would be too repetitive but i guess that's not really an issue
2016-06-23 04:06 Hobbes2: will do the slider thing as suggested
2016-06-23 04:06 estellia-: dont worry, Easy players are trash, simple rhythm is good xd
2016-06-23 04:07 Hobbes2: ok C:
2016-06-23 04:07 estellia-: there is one massive massive flaw in normal
2016-06-23 04:07 estellia-: can u Ctrl A on your normal diff
2016-06-23 04:07 Hobbes2: ya
2016-06-23 04:07 Hobbes2: o
2016-06-23 04:07 estellia-: do u see
2016-06-23 04:07 estellia-: that your whole map
2016-06-23 04:07 Hobbes2: that entire middle chunk rip
2016-06-23 04:07 estellia-: is literally a donut
2016-06-23 04:08 Hobbes2: i do now
2016-06-23 04:08 estellia-: i'd prefer more variant in normals imo
2016-06-23 04:08 estellia-: another general comment
2016-06-23 04:08 estellia-: massive patterns like 00:21:618 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1) - not desirable in Normal diffs
2016-06-23 04:09 estellia-: and the difference between that rhythm and 00:26:991 (1) - is STARKING, which is a pretty bad idea if the rhythm is inbalanced throughout the map
2016-06-23 04:10 Hobbes2: alright, so
2016-06-23 04:10 Hobbes2: i suppsoe i should remap 00:21:618 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - then
2016-06-23 04:10 estellia-: not just that
2016-06-23 04:10 estellia-: ok uh
2016-06-23 04:10 estellia-: something normal would be akin to 00:03:708 (1,2,3,4) -
2016-06-23 04:11 estellia-: 00:16:245 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2) - this is massive
2016-06-23 04:11 estellia-: 00:43:111 (1,2,3,4,1) - this is massive too
2016-06-23 04:11 estellia-: beat densities that are super high are undesirable in normals
2016-06-23 04:11 estellia-: suggest you look at some other diffs to refer, maybe that will help you get the right idea of normals
2016-06-23 04:12 Hobbes2: alrighty
2016-06-23 04:12 Hobbes2: yea im not too hot on normals in particular compared to the other diffs as you could tell
2016-06-23 04:12 Hobbes2: ill do that
2016-06-23 04:12 estellia-: ok thats it for normal, because normal is more a "style" issue than anything else, so i would honestly suggest remap or asking for GD
2016-06-23 04:12 Hobbes2: Alright
2016-06-23 04:12 estellia-: moving to hard
2016-06-23 04:13 estellia-: stuff like 00:02:588 (3,4) - is unreadable imo
2016-06-23 04:14 estellia-: cuz you have things like 00:11:096 (2,3,4) - that is of similar distance in space, but different in terms of temporal spacing
2016-06-23 04:15 estellia-: like the 1st is 1/1 apart when the 2nd is 1/2 apart, although they visually look like they are the same distance
2016-06-23 04:15 Hobbes2: hm, would stacking instead be fine?
2016-06-23 04:15 estellia-: i would suggest slider
2016-06-23 04:15 estellia-: but stacking is ok too
2016-06-23 04:15 Hobbes2: kk
2016-06-23 04:15 Hobbes2: oo yea slider sounds good
2016-06-23 04:15 estellia-: yea
2016-06-23 04:15 estellia-: thats it for hard
2016-06-23 04:16 estellia-: there isn't much, its pretty alright already
2016-06-23 04:16 Hobbes2: kk
2016-06-23 04:16 estellia-: your insane however
2016-06-23 04:16 Hobbes2: quick comment, someone else said the ar was too high
2016-06-23 04:16 Hobbes2: thoughts?
2016-06-23 04:16 Hobbes2: i think its fine
2016-06-23 04:16 Hobbes2: but want another opinion
2016-06-23 04:16 estellia-: uh
2016-06-23 04:16 estellia-: for hardd or insane
2016-06-23 04:16 Hobbes2: both actually lol
2016-06-23 04:17 estellia-: hard is typically ar7
2016-06-23 04:17 estellia-: anything between ar6.something to ar8 is fine by me tho
2016-06-23 04:17 Hobbes2: kk
2016-06-23 04:17 Hobbes2: ill keep it for now, then
2016-06-23 04:17 estellia-: but if someone else points it out just change it, esp since its a slow song
2016-06-23 04:17 Hobbes2: fair enough
2016-06-23 04:18 estellia-: your insane should be ok
2016-06-23 04:18 estellia-: anything thatss AR8.something wont hurt though
2016-06-23 04:18 Hobbes2: I just tried 7 when I first made it and it felt like the ntoes were clogging the screen to me
2016-06-23 04:18 estellia-: oh dw editor =/= gameplay
2016-06-23 04:18 Hobbes2: ya the guy suggested 8.7
2016-06-23 04:18 estellia-: 8,7 is alright sure
2016-06-23 04:19 estellia-: your insane seems like its mapped for the sake of being mapped
2016-06-23 04:19 estellia-: like youre clearly mapping for difficulty LOL
2016-06-23 04:20 Hobbes2: riperoni
2016-06-23 04:20 Hobbes2: tbh that wasn't the intention but i guess it looks like that lol
2016-06-23 04:20 estellia-: you can do without it i suppose
2016-06-23 04:21 estellia-: but since you mapped it already
2016-06-23 04:21 estellia-: 00:07:961 (3,4) - bad flow here, ctrlg 4 looks ok
2016-06-23 04:22 Hobbes2: alright, done
2016-06-23 04:22 estellia-: thats it
2016-06-23 04:22 estellia-: everything else about insane is subjective
2016-06-23 04:22 Hobbes2: I guess I'll get more opinions on whether or not it should exist
2016-06-23 04:22 estellia-: yea your mapset just needs more nazi polishing and you're good to go imo
2016-06-23 04:22 Hobbes2: I didn't really mean to like intentionally overmap or something just so I could have an insane
2016-06-23 04:22 Hobbes2: not sure if thats what it looks like lol
2016-06-23 04:23 estellia-: its ok, so many overmapped maps nowadays its fine xd
2016-06-23 04:23 Hobbes2: hehe
2016-06-23 04:23 Hobbes2: so I guess the big thing is to take a look at normal again
2016-06-23 04:23 estellia-: so many obnoxious jumps make it look like you''re deliberately trying for an insane imo
2016-06-23 04:23 estellia-: yea normall
2016-06-23 04:23 estellia-: thats a big problem
2016-06-23 04:23 Hobbes2: example of an obnoxious jump? for reference
2016-06-23 04:24 estellia-: o btw u missed a hitsound 00:50:275 (1) -
2016-06-23 04:24 Hobbes2: fixed
2016-06-23 04:24 estellia-: sosmething like 00:20:499 (2,3,4,5,6) -
2016-06-23 04:24 estellia-: like holy shit the song is so cute and cuddly and suddenly BOOM
2016-06-23 04:24 estellia-: 00:22:514 (3,4,5,6) - this too
2016-06-23 04:24 estellia-: 00:24:529 (5,6) - this is scary
2016-06-23 04:25 estellia-: most jumps in your map look very very hard because of how slow paced the song is imo
2016-06-23 04:25 Hobbes2: alright
2016-06-23 04:25 estellia-: either map it easier or just not have an insane at all, thats my take on it
2016-06-23 04:25 Hobbes2: kk
2016-06-23 04:26 Hobbes2: guess I'll nerf the crap out of it then and make it seem less forced
2016-06-23 04:26 estellia-: also have a look at typical insanes at your BPM
2016-06-23 04:26 estellia-: they normally are at "Hard" rated, because thats ok too
2016-06-23 04:26 estellia-: as long as your spread is ok of course
2016-06-23 04:26 Hobbes2: is something like 2 3 3.6 fine?
2016-06-23 04:27 Hobbes2: because pending a normal remap that's probably what it would look like
2016-06-23 04:27 estellia-: 2 3 3.6 isnt good i think
2016-06-23 04:27 estellia-: should almosst be linear
2016-06-23 04:27 estellia-: refer to other maps for opinions i guess
2016-06-23 04:27 Hobbes2: ok
2016-06-23 04:28 Hobbes2: ill probably end up deleting insane, i'll just get another opinion i guess
2016-06-23 04:28 Hobbes2: I kinda like it but i see your point
2016-06-23 04:28 estellia-: i mean its your map
2016-06-23 04:28 estellia-: do what you want with it lO
2016-06-23 04:28 estellia-: brb posting chat
2016-06-23 04:03 estellia-: your easy and hard are like ok
2016-06-23 04:03 Hobbes2: ok
2016-06-23 04:04 estellia-: i can't be arsed to point out the aesthetic issues because the flow is the main thing thats trash
2016-06-23 04:04 estellia-: for easy
2016-06-23 04:04 Hobbes2: o
2016-06-23 04:04 Hobbes2: ok
2016-06-23 04:04 estellia-: 00:04:155 (2,3) - suggest mapping this to slider
2016-06-23 04:04 estellia-: so its easier to play
2016-06-23 04:05 Hobbes2: okay
2016-06-23 04:05 Hobbes2: I do that multiple parts in the song, make em all sliders?
2016-06-23 04:05 estellia-: 00:19:827 (3,4,5,1) - dont like these weird hitcircles in Easy, they make it look ugly
2016-06-23 04:05 estellia-: yes
2016-06-23 04:05 estellia-: that would make it easier for Easy players
2016-06-23 04:05 Hobbes2: Alright, will do.
2016-06-23 04:05 estellia-: the idea for easy is that its easily readable and not confusing in the slightest to help easy players play better
2016-06-23 04:05 estellia-: thats it
2016-06-23 04:05 estellia-: dont make it confusing and unreadable
2016-06-23 04:06 estellia-: on to normal
2016-06-23 04:06 Hobbes2: yea i was worried that the rhythm would be too repetitive but i guess that's not really an issue
2016-06-23 04:06 Hobbes2: will do the slider thing as suggested
2016-06-23 04:06 estellia-: dont worry, Easy players are trash, simple rhythm is good xd
2016-06-23 04:07 Hobbes2: ok C:
2016-06-23 04:07 estellia-: there is one massive massive flaw in normal
2016-06-23 04:07 estellia-: can u Ctrl A on your normal diff
2016-06-23 04:07 Hobbes2: ya
2016-06-23 04:07 Hobbes2: o
2016-06-23 04:07 estellia-: do u see
2016-06-23 04:07 estellia-: that your whole map
2016-06-23 04:07 Hobbes2: that entire middle chunk rip
2016-06-23 04:07 estellia-: is literally a donut
2016-06-23 04:08 Hobbes2: i do now
2016-06-23 04:08 estellia-: i'd prefer more variant in normals imo
2016-06-23 04:08 estellia-: another general comment
2016-06-23 04:08 estellia-: massive patterns like 00:21:618 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1) - not desirable in Normal diffs
2016-06-23 04:09 estellia-: and the difference between that rhythm and 00:26:991 (1) - is STARKING, which is a pretty bad idea if the rhythm is inbalanced throughout the map
2016-06-23 04:10 Hobbes2: alright, so
2016-06-23 04:10 Hobbes2: i suppsoe i should remap 00:21:618 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - then
2016-06-23 04:10 estellia-: not just that
2016-06-23 04:10 estellia-: ok uh
2016-06-23 04:10 estellia-: something normal would be akin to 00:03:708 (1,2,3,4) -
2016-06-23 04:11 estellia-: 00:16:245 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2) - this is massive
2016-06-23 04:11 estellia-: 00:43:111 (1,2,3,4,1) - this is massive too
2016-06-23 04:11 estellia-: beat densities that are super high are undesirable in normals
2016-06-23 04:11 estellia-: suggest you look at some other diffs to refer, maybe that will help you get the right idea of normals
2016-06-23 04:12 Hobbes2: alrighty
2016-06-23 04:12 Hobbes2: yea im not too hot on normals in particular compared to the other diffs as you could tell
2016-06-23 04:12 Hobbes2: ill do that
2016-06-23 04:12 estellia-: ok thats it for normal, because normal is more a "style" issue than anything else, so i would honestly suggest remap or asking for GD
2016-06-23 04:12 Hobbes2: Alright
2016-06-23 04:12 estellia-: moving to hard
2016-06-23 04:13 estellia-: stuff like 00:02:588 (3,4) - is unreadable imo
2016-06-23 04:14 estellia-: cuz you have things like 00:11:096 (2,3,4) - that is of similar distance in space, but different in terms of temporal spacing
2016-06-23 04:15 estellia-: like the 1st is 1/1 apart when the 2nd is 1/2 apart, although they visually look like they are the same distance
2016-06-23 04:15 Hobbes2: hm, would stacking instead be fine?
2016-06-23 04:15 estellia-: i would suggest slider
2016-06-23 04:15 estellia-: but stacking is ok too
2016-06-23 04:15 Hobbes2: kk
2016-06-23 04:15 Hobbes2: oo yea slider sounds good
2016-06-23 04:15 estellia-: yea
2016-06-23 04:15 estellia-: thats it for hard
2016-06-23 04:16 estellia-: there isn't much, its pretty alright already
2016-06-23 04:16 Hobbes2: kk
2016-06-23 04:16 estellia-: your insane however
2016-06-23 04:16 Hobbes2: quick comment, someone else said the ar was too high
2016-06-23 04:16 Hobbes2: thoughts?
2016-06-23 04:16 Hobbes2: i think its fine
2016-06-23 04:16 Hobbes2: but want another opinion
2016-06-23 04:16 estellia-: uh
2016-06-23 04:16 estellia-: for hardd or insane
2016-06-23 04:16 Hobbes2: both actually lol
2016-06-23 04:17 estellia-: hard is typically ar7
2016-06-23 04:17 estellia-: anything between ar6.something to ar8 is fine by me tho
2016-06-23 04:17 Hobbes2: kk
2016-06-23 04:17 Hobbes2: ill keep it for now, then
2016-06-23 04:17 estellia-: but if someone else points it out just change it, esp since its a slow song
2016-06-23 04:17 Hobbes2: fair enough
2016-06-23 04:18 estellia-: your insane should be ok
2016-06-23 04:18 estellia-: anything thatss AR8.something wont hurt though
2016-06-23 04:18 Hobbes2: I just tried 7 when I first made it and it felt like the ntoes were clogging the screen to me
2016-06-23 04:18 estellia-: oh dw editor =/= gameplay
2016-06-23 04:18 Hobbes2: ya the guy suggested 8.7
2016-06-23 04:18 estellia-: 8,7 is alright sure
2016-06-23 04:19 estellia-: your insane seems like its mapped for the sake of being mapped
2016-06-23 04:19 estellia-: like youre clearly mapping for difficulty LOL
2016-06-23 04:20 Hobbes2: riperoni
2016-06-23 04:20 Hobbes2: tbh that wasn't the intention but i guess it looks like that lol
2016-06-23 04:20 estellia-: you can do without it i suppose
2016-06-23 04:21 estellia-: but since you mapped it already
2016-06-23 04:21 estellia-: 00:07:961 (3,4) - bad flow here, ctrlg 4 looks ok
2016-06-23 04:22 Hobbes2: alright, done
2016-06-23 04:22 estellia-: thats it
2016-06-23 04:22 estellia-: everything else about insane is subjective
2016-06-23 04:22 Hobbes2: I guess I'll get more opinions on whether or not it should exist
2016-06-23 04:22 estellia-: yea your mapset just needs more nazi polishing and you're good to go imo
2016-06-23 04:22 Hobbes2: I didn't really mean to like intentionally overmap or something just so I could have an insane
2016-06-23 04:22 Hobbes2: not sure if thats what it looks like lol
2016-06-23 04:23 estellia-: its ok, so many overmapped maps nowadays its fine xd
2016-06-23 04:23 Hobbes2: hehe
2016-06-23 04:23 Hobbes2: so I guess the big thing is to take a look at normal again
2016-06-23 04:23 estellia-: so many obnoxious jumps make it look like you''re deliberately trying for an insane imo
2016-06-23 04:23 estellia-: yea normall
2016-06-23 04:23 estellia-: thats a big problem
2016-06-23 04:23 Hobbes2: example of an obnoxious jump? for reference
2016-06-23 04:24 estellia-: o btw u missed a hitsound 00:50:275 (1) -
2016-06-23 04:24 Hobbes2: fixed
2016-06-23 04:24 estellia-: sosmething like 00:20:499 (2,3,4,5,6) -
2016-06-23 04:24 estellia-: like holy shit the song is so cute and cuddly and suddenly BOOM
2016-06-23 04:24 estellia-: 00:22:514 (3,4,5,6) - this too
2016-06-23 04:24 estellia-: 00:24:529 (5,6) - this is scary
2016-06-23 04:25 estellia-: most jumps in your map look very very hard because of how slow paced the song is imo
2016-06-23 04:25 Hobbes2: alright
2016-06-23 04:25 estellia-: either map it easier or just not have an insane at all, thats my take on it
2016-06-23 04:25 Hobbes2: kk
2016-06-23 04:26 Hobbes2: guess I'll nerf the crap out of it then and make it seem less forced
2016-06-23 04:26 estellia-: also have a look at typical insanes at your BPM
2016-06-23 04:26 estellia-: they normally are at "Hard" rated, because thats ok too
2016-06-23 04:26 estellia-: as long as your spread is ok of course
2016-06-23 04:26 Hobbes2: is something like 2 3 3.6 fine?
2016-06-23 04:27 Hobbes2: because pending a normal remap that's probably what it would look like
2016-06-23 04:27 estellia-: 2 3 3.6 isnt good i think
2016-06-23 04:27 estellia-: should almosst be linear
2016-06-23 04:27 estellia-: refer to other maps for opinions i guess
2016-06-23 04:27 Hobbes2: ok
2016-06-23 04:28 Hobbes2: ill probably end up deleting insane, i'll just get another opinion i guess
2016-06-23 04:28 Hobbes2: I kinda like it but i see your point
2016-06-23 04:28 estellia-: i mean its your map
2016-06-23 04:28 estellia-: do what you want with it lO
2016-06-23 04:28 estellia-: brb posting chat