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A new Osu! mode, "Osu Advanced"

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Vencam
13 posts
Joined February 2015
Topic Starter
Vencam
As this is my first post on the Community, I hope I'm not mistaking posting this here.
What i had in mind with that not-so-inspiring name was a mod that could satisfy the players with a stronger taste for challenge.
But maps at any mode can be incredibly difficult already!
I agree to that, but to me the difficult starts to lose sense as we get close to 6 stars in Osu! standard, and 4 stars in Osu!Mania (the only two modes i play actively), as the number of hits becomes ridicolously high, reaching and surpassing the actual beats of the song (this becomes especially clear in Osu!Mania). As this might be an opinion nobody shares, I still believe a new mode would be of some interest to some people.
What would it be about?
Basically, as the lame name suggests, it would be a more advanced kind of gameplay, featuring a fusion between Osu! standard and Osu! Taiko. What I mean, is a mod differring to the Osu! standard only for differentiation between the "X" and "Z" clicks (or the left and right mouse buttons). For example, a map would feature hits of only two colors, or two different shapes, where can be hitted only with a right ("X") click, and the other only with a left ("Z") click. For the most masochist, an increase up to four keys could be easily implemented.
Though I know very little, if none, about how the game's programmed, I don't think a lot of work would be required in the making, as the basics are already existing.
Please bear with any mistake, as my english is far from perfect.
-Haze-
111 posts
Joined October 2015
-Haze-
Sounds intriguing.. i accept maybe it'll be cool adding it
Gnoske
51 posts
Joined April 2014
Gnoske
Interesting. Maybe as an unranked mod? I don't really agree that maps above 6 stars doesn't make sense but this idea sounds cool anyway.
Adder
151 posts
Joined October 2015
Adder
nice
Ted_the_red
142 posts
Joined September 2013
Ted_the_red

Gnoske wrote:

Interesting. Maybe as an unranked mod?
making this a mod is a half-assed implementation of the idea imo. If you just throw it on as a mod, the clicks you make are gonna be kinda random and not correlate well with transitioning between the keys and the rhythm ( see converts for other modes ). If this would be implemented it should be a new mode or map style for osu!std maps ( either separate pp boards for the mode or unranked leaderboards for those maps ).

I think this idea has potential but I'm personaly not too keen when it comes to adding modes or other mods to the game when it already has a lot to offer.
Remyria
361 posts
Joined June 2012
Remyria
I'd put 3 or 4 keys for tapping, then, 3 would be [Blue] [Blue&Red] [Red] and 4 would be just as custom as taiko. I think that because of stream maps that would be impossible otherwise... sounds interesting though.
Zafufu
149 posts
Joined May 2015
Zafufu
I like the idea so far. Could probably use some more differences to enhance the new experience, but I like your idea. Having to not only hit the circles, but also hit them with the proper key sounds both interesting and high in potential. I could see it also spawning some interesting beatmaps with however they decide to set it up. I think it could use more tweaks to make it a full new mode, but I really hope they take this idea into consideration for any future modes, it sounds both possibly fun and challenging. Another great thing about your idea is that it's also not far fetched, and considers what is already possible in the Osu! program. If I could give stars, I'd fill this up.
Vencam
13 posts
Joined February 2015
Topic Starter
Vencam

Zafufu wrote:

I like the idea so far. Could probably use some more differences to enhance the new experience, but I like your idea. Having to not only hit the circles, but also hit them with the proper key sounds both interesting and high in potential. I could see it also spawning some interesting beatmaps with however they decide to set it up. I think it could use more tweaks to make it a full new mode, but I really hope they take this idea into consideration for any future modes, it sounds both possibly fun and challenging. Another great thing about your idea is that it's also not far fetched, and considers what is already possible in the Osu! program. If I could give stars, I'd fill this up.
You basically covered all I had in mind! I agree that the code would not take much tweaking, but IF this becomes a real mod, it would need its own ranking system and all... But I'm very curious to see what a creative mapper could do with that!
At this point what is left to do? Wait and hope for votes?
Bara-
11,978 posts
Joined April 2013
Bara-
Sounds fun
Seems hard though
abraker
Global Moderator
8,327 posts
Joined July 2014
abraker
Let me make sure I understand what this is asking. It's like osu! standard, but you are forced to press a specific key of the 2 and that key has binded hitsounds like in taiko
kurodahatsuharu
116 posts
Joined June 2013
kurodahatsuharu
2 keys is enough, more than that you can't do well at stream.
Vencam
13 posts
Joined February 2015
Topic Starter
Vencam

abraker wrote:

Let me make sure I understand what this is asking. It's like osu! standard, but you are forced to press a specific key of the 2 and that key has binded hitsounds like in taiko
I didn't think about the hitsound yet, but that would probably be a good idea too. As some maps have different hitsound through the song, having two (or more) hitsound to choose from, one for every key, may allow mappers a bit more tools to play with, as pressing keys would then produce a specific melody like in Taiko, or in some Mania songs.
Answering to your question, yes, you would be forced to press a specific button for each beat, but the buttons might be even four, for a higher challenge. On that regard, the choice might be like choosing between a 4k or a 6k map on Osu!Mania.

kurodahatsuharu wrote:

2 keys is enough, more than that you can't do well at stream.
You probably are right on this point. As i kept thinking more about it after posting this, more then two keys would probably be just pure masochism. However, practice is the only way to know. Streams will probably have a very different role in this mode anyway, but I am sure a Taiko player can know better about this matter (having never mapped, I don't know how a mapper would deal with streams in this situation).
Jukkii
596 posts
Joined October 2015
Jukkii
I myself thought of this quite some time ago but didnt make anything out of it since i thought it was no good.

but i'll support this since i would really like to see this in-game.
Niick Akira
12 posts
Joined March 2015
Niick Akira
interesting, but it would be unranked ? :?:
Vencam
13 posts
Joined February 2015
Topic Starter
Vencam

Niick Akira wrote:

interesting, but it would be unranked ? :?:
I think it should be, as it would be too different from the existing modes to not have a separate ranking system, but... It's up to users preferences, right?
LastExceed
Master of the Fade
394 posts
Joined March 2015
LastExceed
If you are looking for something REALLY hard without ridiculously fast button spamming, try a custom gamemode like osu!diva. It's basically mania, but with the notes coming from any direction (hell there's even curved paths) and with the hitposition being anywhere on the screen. Multi-key combinations for single notes and jesus christ that gamemode is crazy.
Harakiri_j
Harakiri_j
Nice idea, where / how did you get that idea?
(That made me think of a 3ds game with Hatsune Miku blablabla...)
Adder
151 posts
Joined October 2015
Adder
You wouldnt have to think about which finger to tap, there is just one way to do.
This idea is genius to the point it would kill the original mode, since i believe over half the players would move to the new mode.
Its like a osu reset, lets rework this game again and make it better.
Adder
151 posts
Joined October 2015
Adder

Niick Akira wrote:

interesting, but it would be unranked ? :?:
This wont be a mod you fool, but a 5th mode/like a diferrent game and wont use osu!std maps but has its own specific maps, and seperate ranking too, scoring/grading could be different too, and i hope there wont be HP drain.
Vencam
13 posts
Joined February 2015
Topic Starter
Vencam

LastExceed wrote:

If you are looking for something REALLY hard without ridiculously fast button spamming, try a custom gamemode like osu!diva. It's basically mania, but with the notes coming from any direction (hell there's even curved paths) and with the hitposition being anywhere on the screen. Multi-key combinations for single notes and jesus christ that gamemode is crazy.
I saw the gameplay and, as interesting as I found that, it is not what I was looking for, as that is basically a osu!Mania with a harder note appearence, just like the ds game that Harakiri_j mentioned:

Harakiri_j wrote:

Nice idea, where / how did you get that idea?
(That made me think of a 3ds game with Hatsune Miku blablabla...)
Answering to you, I kinda grew the idea through time. Though it does resemble Hatsune Miku's game, I only discovered it recently, talking about this mode with friends.

Adder wrote:

Niick Akira wrote:

interesting, but it would be unranked ? :?:
This wont be a mod you fool, but a 5th mode/like a diferrent game and wont use osu!std maps but has its own specific maps, and seperate ranking too, scoring/grading could be different too, and i hope there wont be HP drain.
You got it! But why would you disable HP drain?
Kibbleru
osu! Alumni
5,846 posts
Joined August 2013
Kibbleru
from a mappers perspective, it would be like a completely new gamemode to map
zxin_old_1
5 posts
Joined October 2015
zxin_old_1
So you have to right click certain hit circles instead of left click them?
I'm pretty down with that, but I think it would be a bit hard to indicate different click types.
Either way, support!
Shohei Ohtani
Shohei Ohtani

LastExceed wrote:

If you are looking for something REALLY hard without ridiculously fast button spamming, try a custom gamemode like osu!diva. It's basically mania, but with the notes coming from any direction (hell there's even curved paths) and with the hitposition being anywhere on the screen. Multi-key combinations for single notes and jesus christ that gamemode is crazy.
did you just fucking come in here to legit advertise another thread bahhahahahha no fucking chill lmao

man Germans are crazy
Vencam
13 posts
Joined February 2015
Topic Starter
Vencam

zxin wrote:

So you have to right click certain hit circles instead of left click them?
I'm pretty down with that, but I think it would be a bit hard to indicate different click types.
Either way, support!
I was thinking about that too. A nice way might be (if the hits were the same as the standard osu!) coloring the outer circle, its number and the approaching circle with the color of the key you should press. This way, tight streams would may still be possible, even overlapping ones, as you could see the notes behind from their approaching circle.
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Colin
osu!catch Champion
306 posts
Joined January 2015
Colin
interesting
SubZ
36 posts
Joined July 2014
SubZ
I think you just created a hybrid of Standard, Mania, and Taiko

I'd play Staniako!
Colin
osu!catch Champion
306 posts
Joined January 2015
Colin
I don't agree
Vencam
13 posts
Joined February 2015
Topic Starter
Vencam
Just to "put moar meat on the fire": multi-key sliders. Giving an example, when normally you would have a slider, two beats and then another slider, here it could be played as just ONE slider. The first part of it, representing the first slider, would be of different color (and by that different key too) as the last part (representing the second slider). The two beats in the mid, on the other hand, would be the trickier part: they're represented by a "transition zone" between the two colors where you woul have to rythmically hit the two buttons corresponding to the slider's colors, very much like the "sliders" (sorry, I don't know how they're called) in osu!Taiko. The number of hits could either be generated on the map's BPM speed/map's current peace in a color transition zone (if the slider was RED and YELLOW, that would be ORANGE, maybe with fading effect on the edges, etc...), or be a fixed amount chose by the mapper which amount would be displayed in a little circle in the "transition zone" (like the starting or final circle on the slider itself) where the slider ball could rest for the necessary time (again, this area could be colored etc...). The second counting mode would probably need players to master the speed at which they stop and restart from it in order to not lose track of the slider ball, while the first would require a good rythm sense.
Thoughts?
I'm sorry if I may not have been clear. Again, my english is far from perfect.
RickehSenpai
10 posts
Joined December 2015
RickehSenpai
Nice //







Senpai
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