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Yuudachi-kun
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RoseusJaeger wrote:

I'm fully convinced you're extremely dense, tbh. I'd love to see how you can rationalize a man that proves over and over to pathological liar, sexist and racist to be fit to run the country.

Well I'd wait for you to give me these points first rather than prattling on the same thing over and over again
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Khelly wrote:

RoseusJaeger wrote:

I'm fully convinced you're extremely dense, tbh. I'd love to see how you can rationalize a man that proves over and over to pathological liar, sexist and racist to be fit to run the country.

Well I'd wait for you to give me these points first rather than prattling on the same thing over and over again
You're avoiding the issue.
Yuudachi-kun
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So you're not going to give me ecamples of why you think he's all of these names you're calling him? I think it's pretty sad how you're complaining how anyone can like this guy for C reason but fail to provide those reasons - it's almost like he's none of those things!
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Khelly wrote:

So you're not going to give me ecamples of why you think he's all of these names you're calling him?
ffs khelly do you even youtube?
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Kisses wrote:

Khelly wrote:

So you're not going to give me ecamples of why you think he's all of these names you're calling him?
ffs khelly do you even youtube?
Yes. I've seen the protesters causing riots and waving Mexican flags but it's not their fault. It's Donald's fault they're acting this way
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Then where the firetruck are you getting your information, khelly?
Yuudachi-kun
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RoseusJaeger wrote:

Then where the firetruck are you getting your information, khelly?
The burden of proof is on the accuser. Where are you getting yours? I'll happily tell you why it's not <x> buzzword
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It goes both ways, I go by local news stations since bigger news networks tend to biased. You can't deny something when you also hear it straight from the horse's mouth. I've been to a Trump rally and his ideas are cancer.
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Anything but Hillary.

Second, Bernie.

But honestly Trump takes the cake. Would do the best job of un-fucking the country.
Yuudachi-kun
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RoseusJaeger wrote:

It goes both ways, I go by local news stations since bigger news networks tend to biased. You can't deny something when you also hear it straight from the horse's mouth. I've been to a Trump rally and his ideas are cancer.

Give me a quote and an idea and I'll tell you why I support it

I've literally been askng this for a page
Sandy Hoey
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Honestly, this video said a lot about Trump and his supporters. It actually surprised me a lot
https://www.facebook.com/PeacehouseUS/v ... 194115003/
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Khelly wrote:

RoseusJaeger wrote:

It goes both ways, I go by local news stations since bigger news networks tend to biased. You can't deny something when you also hear it straight from the horse's mouth. I've been to a Trump rally and his ideas are cancer.

Give me a quote and an idea and I'll tell you why I support it

I've literally been askng this for a page
We can start from the fact that he wants to build a wall and says Mexico will pay for it when Mexico has already refused to do this. You can't force a country to do anything.
He has NEVER specified how he's going to help small businesses but constantly said he would.
He says he's going to handle terrorism, but his personality has already distanced us for allies that will refuse to work with him. (The man said all Mexicans are rapists, jfc he's an asshole.)
He wants to deund Planned Parenthood because of abortion when that's only 3% of the services it offers.
He claims to be for gender quality but constantly verbally disrespects women, he's a hypocrite.
He believes Islam hates us when it's not all Muslims.
He wants to bring back libel laws that will constricts the right to free speech, which violates the first amendment.

That's just the start of the bull that he's spewed.
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It's like people dont fucking undersatnd. Culture and childhood backgrounds are what makes someone's personality not someones ethnic background. If Trump has objectives he wants to fight for then he shouldnt back it up with absolute bullshit
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lol
what is a congressman
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Sandy Hoey wrote:

Honestly, this video said a lot about Trump and his supporters. It actually surprised me a lot
https://www.facebook.com/PeacehouseUS/v ... 194115003/
I actually enjoyed that.

Kisses wrote:

It's like people dont fucking undersatnd. Culture and childhood backgrounds are what makes someone's personality not someones ethnic background. If Trump has objectives he wants to fight for then he shouldnt back it up with absolute bullshit
Upvoted
Yuudachi-kun
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Kisses wrote:

It's like people dont fucking undersatnd. Culture and childhood backgrounds are what makes someone's personality not someones ethnic background. If Trump has objectives he wants to fight for then he shouldnt back it up with absolute bullshit

And it turns out all too often that culture and childhood background being linked with an ethnicity is far too common. E.g, the middle east COULD be hypothetically more ethnicly diverse (like asian and african with finns or some shit) and produce thevsame type of people, but in reality they're not like that and a large group of people with similar ethnicity cone from the same culture and background


Now I gotta get out of the shower
Sandy Hoey
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RoseusJaeger wrote:

I actually enjoyed that.
I just hope its authentic. felt pretty heartfelt to me
Yuudachi-kun
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So arent we still agreeing with each other

WOW YOU DEKETED YOU POST
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Sandy Hoey wrote:

RoseusJaeger wrote:

I actually enjoyed that.
I just hope its authentic. felt pretty heartfelt to me
PeaceHouse tends to stay neutral and focus on facts. I like them
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Khelly wrote:

And it turns out all too often that culture and childhood background being linked with an ethnicity is far too common. E.g, the middle east COULD be hypothetically more ethnicly diverse (like asian and african with finns or some shit) and produce thevsame type of people, but in reality they're not like that and a large group of people with similar ethnicity cone from the same culture and background


Now I gotta get out of the shower
culture and childhood background linked with ethnicity is far too common? do you eveen fucking think.

If there is an established culture in one set of the world then the ppl there are going to have a norm behaviour. GET THIS. PPL dont change ethnicity over one generetation. Donkeys years ago ppl didnt travel at all so the ppl settling in the area would all be the same ethnicity. HOW THE FK CAN YOU NOT GATHER YOUR HEAD AROUND THAT. Have you ever seen ppl of the same races come from different environmental backgrounds behave completely different?

Khelly wrote:

So arent we still agreeing with each other

WOW YOU DEKETED YOU POST
made this new one instead
Yuudachi-kun
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It's linked because people of an ethnic background group tend to come from a certain region AND ALL SHARE IN THE SAME CULTURE AND BACKGROUND with people moving away from that tending to be the ones changed.

Did you not comprehend my meaning there? You're agreeing with what I said and arguing against something not there
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Sandy Hoey
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Kisses wrote:

Have you ever seen ppl of the same races come from different environmental backgrounds behave completely different?
Sounds like my parents. You would look at them and think, Asian. Must suck to be their kid (Tiger mom and all that). But my parents are the most laid back parent I have ever met.
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Khelly wrote:

It's linked because people of an ethnic background group tend to come from a certain region AND ALL SHARE IN THE SAME CULTURE AND BACKGROUND with people moving away from that tending to be the ones changed.

Did you not comprehend my meaning there? You're agreeing with what I said and arguing against something not there
YOU DO REALIZE THAT PPL CAN LIVE IN THE SAME AREA AND BE APART OF DIFFERENT SOCIAL GROUPS?

get it now?
Yuudachi-kun
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Also since I'm still in the shower and kisses cant comprehend how people from the same culture would tend to be majority one ethnicity thus producibg more if said ethnicity in the same setting, I'll just post the two shortet ones at Jaeger

I don't know about small businesses nor is it one of my issues, fine.

Planned parenthood defunding is dumb and I'm pro choice but iirc the decision about abortion for Trump is left to the states to decide - he's just the enforcer of the law. That's fine with me though I wish more states would be pro choice

Rest are pro trump
Yuudachi-kun
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Kisses wrote:

Khelly wrote:

It's linked because people of an ethnic background group tend to come from a certain region AND ALL SHARE IN THE SAME CULTURE AND BACKGROUND with people moving away from that tending to be the ones changed.

Did you not comprehend my meaning there? You're agreeing with what I said and arguing against something not there
YOU DO REALIZE THAT PPL CAN LIVE IN THE SAME AREA AND BE APART OF DIFFERENT SOCIAL GROUPS?

get it now?

So is it socisl group or "culture" now? Are you changing the goalmposts from big to small?
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Khelly wrote:

Also since I'm still in the shower and kisses cant comprehend how people from the same culture would tend to be majority one ethnicity thus producibg more if said ethnicity in the same setting
wtf does this even mean
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Khelly wrote:

So is it socisl group or "culture" now? Are you changing the goalmposts from big to small?
OMFG do you not read my replies in chronological order?

Why the fk do I even bother arguing with a futanari loving, trump supporting fucking weirdo. bye
Yuudachi-kun
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Region A is made up of mainly an ethnicity - let's calk them green
Region A has a culture and setting that produces assholes, thus a lot of greens are assholes
Since region A only mainly has greens, a lot of newborn greens will grow up to be assholes and a lit of greens are assholes

This only makes sense because region A is mainly green and two greens dont make a purple baby

Sime greens move away and the nect generation is not asshole

Do you get it
Yuudachi-kun
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Kisses wrote:

Khelly wrote:

So is it socisl group or "culture" now? Are you changing the goalmposts from big to small?
OMFG do you not read my replies in chronological order?

Why the fk do I even bother arguing with a futanari loving, trump supporting fucking weirdo. bye

It's okay I still love you
Sandy Hoey
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Wait, what does all that have to do with Trump? I dont wanna go back and read all of the argument
Yuudachi-kun
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Sandy Hoey wrote:

Wait, what does all that have to do with Trump? I dont wanna go back and read all of the argument
I forgot but I gotta get out soon and finish the rest of Jaeger's points and calm kisses down cause my phone is dying
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Lmao
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How are the rest pro trump?
Yuudachi-kun
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Sandy Hoey wrote:

Wait, what does all that have to do with Trump? I dont wanna go back and read all of the argument

Oh yes tldr kisses says childhoid/culture affect a person not ethnicity which I agreed to but he wont see my point that ethnicit can be linked to a same culture/upbringing since people homogonise and congregate with similar people in many regions. Suprise, mostly arabs from an arab culture prduce more likeminded arabs. The same for snywhere

And ANY one of an ethnicity like that you see in your local streets is automatically nearly an exception being removed from that land.

Unless they all congregate with each other and stay isolated in a foreign land
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Yuudachi-kun
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RoseusJaeger wrote:

How are the rest pro trump?

I havent gotten to writing them yet
Sandy Hoey
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Khelly wrote:

And ANY one of an ethnicity like that you see in your local streets is automatically nearly an exception being removed from that land.
Although this is true in some cases, one of the most extreme cases at the moment (Muslims) kind of warp this a little. People believe that the Muslims (especially post 9/11) are dangerous, even if they have immigrated to other countries and away from their homeland. However, it is not true to say that all Muslims who still live in Muslims states or hold the Muslim faith hate the US or would actually do anything to harm the US. In fact, the majority are not the radical Muslims or other radicals that have caused such destruction and terror.
Now that I think about it, what I wrote doesn't really apply to what you said, but it is still important to note
Yuudachi-kun
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He claims to be for gender quality but constantly verbally disrespects women, he's a hypocrite.

This is one of the claims against Trump that I really, REALLY hate. It's not sexist to disrespect a woman. It's not - the same as it isn't sexist to disrespect a man. If you disrespect a woman because she's female, then that's sexist. If you simply disrespect her for doing something you think is retarded, what's the actual problem?

To me this is the ultimate form of ironic actual sexism - thinking you can't say bad things about women because they're woman. Fuck that - they're not some protected class of people.

He says he's going to handle terrorism, but his personality has already distanced us for allies that will refuse to work with him. (The man said all Mexicans are rapists, jfc he's an asshole.)

I am going to dig up this quote and tell you what it means to me. At this moment this type of criticism against Trump shows me the other side actively looking and ignoring something fundamental.

When Mexico (meaning the Mexican Government) sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you (pointing to the audience). They’re not sending you (pointing again). They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems to us. They’re bringing drugs.They’re bringing crime; Their rapists. And some, I assume, are good people! But I speak to border guards and they tell us what we’re getting. And it only makes common sense. They’re sending us not the right people. It’s coming from more than Mexico. It’s coming from all over South and Latin America, and it’s coming probably from the Middle East. But we don’t know. Because we have no protection and we have no competence, we don’t know what’s happening. And it’s got to stop and it’s got to stop fast.”"
All of these "they're bringing" statements are about people coming into the United States that have no business within the United States because they can't come through proper channels. They're the actual illegals that he's referencing. The actual people that have and bring problems to the people in the United States. How is this calling Mexicans rapists rather than saying that rapists coming along the border illegally is but one of many problems?

And hell, it's not even about Mexicans. It’s coming from more than Mexico. Other peoples are using the Mexican border as the means through the country. So no, I don't think this is a valid thing to say that he consideres all Mexicans rapists.

We can start from the fact that he wants to build a wall and says Mexico will pay for it when Mexico has already refused to do this. You can't force a country to do anything.

No, you're right - you can't force a country to do anything short of war. What you can do is go through economic channels to incentivise the country to do what you want. https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/ ... ion-reform

Mexico must pay for the wall and, until they do, the United States will, among other things: impound all remittance payments derived from illegal wages; increase fees on all temporary visas issued to Mexican CEOs and diplomats (and if necessary cancel them); increase fees on all border crossing cards – of which we issue about 1 million to Mexican nationals each year (a major source of visa overstays); increase fees on all NAFTA worker visas from Mexico (another major source of overstays); and increase fees at ports of entry to the United States from Mexico [Tariffs and foreign aid cuts are also options]. We will not be taken advantage of anymore.

He believes Islam hates us when it's not all Muslims.

I'd like to see something more exact here, but I'll think about it in a general sense and think of it like the ban on immigration. "Not all muslims" isn't good enough. If only half a percent of the entire global population of muslims was in the capacity to want and would do harm, that would still be 80,000,000 people. That's more people than a lot of fucking European nations - that's almost the population of Germany. And I only said the ones who would want to do harm - what of the people that support them or do nothing to inhibit them? The silent majority seem to me to be irrelevant.

It's a ban on people coming from a specific region of the world, and you know what? It's been done in the past before by Obama and it can be done again. The United States doesn't have a responsibility to let in any foreign peoples if it doesn't want to - so some good and some bad can't get into the nation. Oh well.


He wants to bring back libel laws that will constricts the right to free speech, which violates the first amendment.

I don't know much about the libel laws, but free speech is not all encompassing. It doesn't protect you as a judge said "From shouting fire in a crowded theatre when there is no fire" and should not protect you from publishing fictitious information. You'd have to inform me more of these changes.
Yuudachi-kun
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Sandy Hoey wrote:

Khelly wrote:

And ANY one of an ethnicity like that you see in your local streets is automatically nearly an exception being removed from that land.
Although this is true in some cases, one of the most extreme cases at the moment (Muslims) kind of warp this a little. People believe that the Muslims (especially post 9/11) are dangerous, even if they have immigrated to other countries and away from their homeland. However, it is not true to say that all Muslims who still live in Muslims states or hold the Muslim faith hate the US or would actually do anything to harm the US. In fact, the majority are not the radical Muslims or other radicals that have caused such destruction and terror.
Now that I think about it, what I wrote doesn't really apply to what you said, but it is still important to note
I really like this video when talking about the majority.

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Khelly wrote:

I really like this video when talking about the majority.
They brought up some very good points about what the majority is doing to stop the radicals and how the majority is often considered more "effective". However, I do believe that the panel was completely disrespectful to the Muslim women, not only laughing at her (the man on the left as well as the women speaking), but also speaking in a tone that demeans (even if it was not intended, they should be aware of this sort of thing when talking to the masses).

On the other hand, you cannot blame the peaceful Muslim population for not doing anything when the majority of Americans are in the same boat. We speak out against and we say, "Yeah, we need to stop these radicals because they are harmful and dangerous", but what do we actually do? These peaceful population are against the radicals that are bring down the image of their religion and burdening them with hate from the entire world just as much as I am or you are. However, are they responsible for risking their lives and lives of their children any more than we are to fight them against those causing harm?

I personally believe that what the Muslim women said about not being able to fight ideology like radicalism is true. Even if we destroy every last one of the believers now, someone in the future is going to have the same ideas that they are having now and the whole issue will start again (maybe with a different religion or race)

What do you think?
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Hm, what I think.

I've seen quite a bit of denouncing going on against the Islamic State and being threatened in response.
I have yet to see any sort of concrete retaliation against one of their own, or as ISIS calls it, the "apostates" and "traitors"
I live among a size-able community whom identify as Muslim, and anyone I know whom is one is just tired or does not want to be associated with whatever shit-storm the terrorists are doing.

Jihad itself is mentioned in their book and as long as it's there you'll probably have people who think it's a fantastic idea to wage a holy war on every other group or person or thing with a differing faith/opinion/belief system so yes in every scenario there's no a guarantee in being free of radicalized individuals.
I am not sure what else anyone is expecting.

Bad ideas get promoted all the time, veiling behind a Holy book is a very sneaky (take any example), but not surprising tactic to use as an excuse to get rid of any or all dissenting voices/ideologies.

This convenience is I think, what is so enticing to people who just want to take revenge/take up arms and kill people.

When you're so convinced that you're doing God's work and eradicating unbelievers (and also really fucking high on drugs, based on a lot of first-hand experiences from combat vets/others who have had their brush with these guys on deployment), you get less and less concerned about whom in particular you target because well they have the wrong way of thinking and that's enough for you to put a bullet in their head.
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I think we also have to remember this isn't the first religion/ideals based war. Hundreds of years ago in was actually the Christian faith that was going at it among themselves and different sects of the same faith (I think it was Catholic vs Protestant? Maybe? Someone correct me if i'm wrong). That all wroked itself out, I hope this will to.
To many innocent people from all over have died
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Indeed they did.
Jerusalem was stormed and all that jazz. And also yes that happened, Catholics at loggerheads with the Protestants in Ireland (notably).

And yes again, too many have been killed over unbelievably selfish and petty reasons.
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But then to bring it back to the topic of the OP, how should we take all of this and implement it into our immigration policy. It is a lot to consider.
I think Trump is right when he says countries need to have laws that set borders and others need to respect that (I have not see or heard any of his actual plans to deal with this besides the famous Wall). However, we also need to consider the intentions that these immigrants have when they come over here.
I do believe that a large portion, if not the majority, of those immigrating are actually fleeing violence and seeking refugee. They have no intentions of taking away from citizens of the places that they are going to. All they want is safety for themselves and their families.
But then how do we balance this with the poverty issues that we already face?

I don't know much about politics, but this is what I think makes this such a tough debate that almost never ends because there is always going to be someone who believes something else
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Heh, I know close to jack-shit about policies too.
Offering asylum to refugees is good and nice and all. And no one is going to call you an ingrate or bigot for that.

However, right now Europe is getting bum-fucked thanks to the sheer amount and rate at which they are literally streaming in, it's unbelievable.
And the fact that the media has had blackouts (Look at Germany) and cover-ups elsewhere on anything that infringes the agenda/image that the migrants are 'just asylum seekers/peaceful immigrants blah blah" is very very sickening.

Greece was already in bad shape, and when they took them in well I'm not sure how to describe it.
Yes a good majority of them are genuinely fleeing for their lives, but I don't think this mixture of misunderstanding and completely short-sighted planning/execution will ever work.

You can only house these people for so long, and in the event they don't ever integrate or contribute to society should they choose to remain there (if any country even allows them unlimited refuge) what can you even do about that.
Some have returned after being disillusioned, since clearly the countries aren't prepared to handle them (some can't stand the food they're literally given for free out of goodwill, among a whole list of 'complaints').


Of course, with the good comes the bad and this is no exception.
Common sense would dictate having just not some sort of border defense/patrol/checkpoint enforcement but a highly reliable and efficient one. (Which, in almost all respects cannot cope)

You want to try to filter whom you can and cannot take in.
And I honestly don't believe it works well as far as 'background' checking goes, I mean these guys are literally from some Middle Eastern country and it's either a yes or no thing when it comes down to it.
Makes sense since you only make an educated discernment/guess at BEST.
How'd you know this dude wasn't just fleeing for real and the next woman is a legit radical who just wants to infiltrate ? Even better if they have a child tagged along.

Not even any room for discrimination excuses here, just simple and clear common sense and pragmatism.
Still the fact remains that once the genuine asylum-seekers actually get there and find out it is NOT what they were expecting/told of what can even be done for these people except ask them to make do, and increasingly at the expense of the economy and more ?
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I cannot speak directly for any of these people, but for those who are honestly trying to seek asylum in the European nations, I think that if they had a choice they would rather stay in their homes. But the problem is that they can't without huge risks due to war.

One example of this is a video that my ethics teacher showed us about the US use of cluster bombs against "terrorists". The problem with these is that if you step on it, you die. It doesn't matter if you are a guy holding a gun or a child running and playing. I think one of the statistics given was the over 80% of those killed from cluster bombs are noncombatants (You can see for yourself: https://vimeo.com/8771101). Which is mind blowing. How are we still using these sorts of tactics when we are achieving these results.

I think that instead of making this huge big fuss about how many people we let into the country, we should be putting focuses on solving these issues that are driving them to emigrate
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I absolutely agree.
Yeah pretty much bombs have no conscience/mind of their own so yes you get turned into a fine mist of red if you happen to step on a mine or get hit by launched projectiles..

Also yeah the 'focus' is what is driving these people out their own country, the collateral damage (even with strict ROEs mind you, which can only do so much) is frankly scary.

There's no good solution to this, as far as I can see.
I don't know a whole lot, but the basic operating mindset is that you can neither negotiate nor co-exist with these guys who just want you, the person beside you, your family and your dog dead.

This violence will always breed more of it's kind.
I've read a lot of accounts on the war against 'terror' and it's like these extremists have no end to them.

I like to think half of them are actually not so willing to pick up a weapon and shoot it as much as they are just tired, stuck and forced to for their own lives/sakes or perhaps their families sake.
I'm gonna take a guess and say that threats and all that nonsense is a staple recruitment effort especially in the hardest hit areas or where there is most activity since manpower constantly needs to be renewed. (Children have been on the front for a while too and how else would they be there in the first place if not for gross indoctrination/force)
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Faust wrote:

I'm gonna take a guess and say that threats and all that nonsense is a staple recruitment effort especially in the hardest hit areas or where there is most activity since manpower constantly needs to be renewed. (Children have been on the front for a while too and how else would they be there in the first place if not for gross indoctrination/force)
This is completely true. I read an article (don't remember where) that said that poverty does not cause terrorism. Instead, it promotes terrorism since children and families have no other form of work than what is provided by the terrorist organization. Furthermore, the terrorist organization actually have social services like health care to provide to the locals in their areas. This is how they get so much force behind them. The local see the terrorist groups as a sort of big brother or protector and allow to take control.

This is not the first time this happened. It is actually a complete reenactment of the Cold War with the terrorist being communist. The US is trying to stop the spread of influence, but only this time it turned hot very, very quickly.

I would actually be interested in seeing what these radicals believe in, because there is no doubt that they are fighting for a cause that they believe to be worth dying for. And I am almost certain it is not for the reasons that we pin on them (paradise and virgins and all that bullshit)
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Whatever it is, it's basically a pit you're digging yourself into. Once you start and get far enough you cannot come out.

Also deserters are killed pretty much, provided you don't escape successfully.
Now I've seen reports of fighters getting sick and tired and going back to their countries, and nothing ever since.
Honestly that in itself is a problem both ways in that why allow these people back and why did the cells ever let the men abandon their posts, surely they are hinging on the potential for them to spread the ideology (and what better way than to send back experienced and battle-hardened vets of their shit war?)
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chaee
chaee
yeah ok anyone watch house of cards
Sandy Hoey
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I wasn't talking about how people get stuck in the terrorist groups. I know it work like a gang on steroids. What I meant was what are the fundamental beliefs behind the whole movement. In every fight. both sides believe that they are fighting for the good. What do they believe is the good?

chaee wrote:

yeah ok anyone watch house of cards
No, what is it about?
Faust
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Thought it was obvious.

Take shit literally, and start killing people.
Because why not, apparently your God said you should and you can.
And if any other people disagree, well they're precisely the problem.

On a more serious note, there's probably a fair bit of deception and monopolizing going on as well of course, I mean ISIS actually pays it's fighters and they keep sex slaves. Not breaking news.
Sandy Hoey
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Right I've heard all that, but is that confirmed? Or is just what we place on them to frame them as the bad guys? Is it even the reason they started fighting in the first place? Or is it just what it became? And if that is the case, what was the original cause?

I mean, most people think of Islam and they think of paradise and the 72 virgins (or whatever number). I'm pretty sure that is actually from a "book" it the Quran, but it is one of those that is one of those shady ones where the author is unknown and is not actually part of the belief. I know similar stuff is the the Christian Bible (stuff that is written but not considered in the faith at all because its origins are not reliable)
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Faust
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Hard to say at this point.

I'm gonna go with "I think I am right for believing this and you're all just wrong" but taken to retarded proportions. I'm also probably right.
And yes, there are the equivalent of denominations in Islam as well. You have tons of in-fighting raging till this day.
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Sandy Hoey
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That's always the case.

its been great talking to you. Especially after all the salt that came pouring out of this OP in the beginning. Friending you
Jordan
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balldoowell wrote:

I honestly don't mind trump but I'm not allowed to say that in public or else Ill be called a racist bigot and will be hanged.

#notalltrumpets

I swear, half of the people that hate on trump only do it because its trendy and on the basis of some stupid meme shit like the small loan of a million dollars thing or making mexico build a wall.
Your average person informs themselves on places like CuckFeed and the Huffington Post. I had this kind of problem here in my country too, I said if I were american I'd vote for Trump and the replies I got were "but trump is raysis xDD". Ask them what is racist in wanting to stop illegal immigration from happening and nobody will know what to say.

That said honestly Trump is an asshole and speaks on a hillbilly level but if I had to choose between him, hillary clinton and a commie sjw that basically wants to impoverish the middle class to give more free shit to lazy and uneducated people *cough* oppressed african american youth *cough* I'd choose him. Politics is not about choosing the best, it's about choosing the least bad
Vuelo Eluko
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Faust wrote:

ISIS actually pays it's fighters and they keep sex slaves.
tempting
B1rd
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Khelly wrote:

Oh yes tldr kisses says childhoid/culture affect a person not ethnicity which I agreed to but he wont see my point that ethnicit can be linked to a same culture/upbringing since people homogonise and congregate with similar people in many regions. Suprise, mostly arabs from an arab culture prduce more likeminded arabs. The same for snywhere
Culture is created from the people that make up that culture. Race isn't just skin deep. There's a reason why no Negro society throughout the entire earth has created an advanced civilisation or invented anything of note.
Jordan
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B1rd wrote:

Race isn't just skin deep. There's a reason why no Negro society throughout the entire earth has created an advanced civilisation or invented anything of note.
HOL UP

SaigonAlice
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B1rd wrote:

Culture is created from the people that make up that culture. Race isn't just skin deep. There's a reason why no Negro society throughout the entire earth has created an advanced civilisation or invented anything of note.
tfw white supremacists make this argument but ignore egypt
Jordan
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SaigonAlice wrote:

B1rd wrote:

Culture is created from the people that make up that culture. Race isn't just skin deep. There's a reason why no Negro society throughout the entire earth has created an advanced civilisation or invented anything of note.
tfw white supremacists make this argument but ignore egypt
He said Negro society. Ancient egyptians (and today's egyptians for that matter) are caucasians lol
Foxtrot
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Faust wrote:

ISIS actually pays it's fighters and they keep sex slaves.
Barely.

http://money.cnn.com/2016/01/19/news/wo ... lary-cuts/

This was a pretty big issue a couple of months back. I wonder if they stabilized their financial issues by now.

Also, ISIS training camps are a joke.
Rurree
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I wouldn't be too surprised if the fighters would consider quitting considering that the conditions of their training camps are dreadful.

Not like they can at all though.
Razzy
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It's time to bring this thread back, because this year is just getting absolutely fucking ridiculous.

The whole San Jose incident is just making me mad as hell, both at the bastards who started the violence (or are defending it because apparently the Trump supporters "deserved it") who have absolutely zero self-awareness, and at the hordes of people blanket-blaming "TEH LIBERALZ" like they do for literally every one of their life problems. It's just continuing the trend of turning a bunch of completely sane people into blathering idiots.

Another gem: /r/the_donald users always say "hurr durr it's not right to compare Trump to Hitler" and then proceed to call Hillary "Hitlery" (although it's usually "Crooked Hillary") and now one of the top /r/all posts compares the violence to Nazi atrocities. And there's more of this from both sides of this stupid election cycle. Why must everyone during this election be humongous hypocrites?

The SJWs fucking with any event hosted by someone they disagree with, the Hillbots in the media constantly fabricating scandals against Trump and still pushing down Bernie like the stuck-up asshats they've always been, the BLM bastards who keep using violence to push others around, the Internet Trump mob supporting a climate change-denying madman whose platform is as flimsy as straw, I'm just about done with all of you. You can all burn in hell, for all I care. I'll be sitting out during the first presidential election I'm eligible for. I know hardly anyone will care about what I say, but I just really need to get this off my chest and unplug myself from American news media for a few days, maybe even a few weeks. This is getting absurd.



I just want a huge fucking meteor to end everything right now tbh
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Yuudachi-kun
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Please don't bring this thread back until president Trump gets officially elected.

Thank.
Shohei Ohtani
Shohei Ohtani
Razzy
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Khelly wrote:

Please don't bring this thread back until president Trump gets officially elected.

Thank.
honestly, I agree. I don't want to hear any more about Trump, Hillary, or Bernie at this point
Yuudachi-kun
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Yuudachi-kun

Teffammie Maye wrote:

Khelly wrote:

Please don't bring this thread back until president Trump gets officially elected.

Thank.
honestly, I agree. I don't want to hear any more about Trump, Hillary, or Bernie at this point
I like osu mania
roshan117
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i feel like it was a bad idea to bring this thread back
Yuudachi-kun
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Yuudachi-kun

roshan117 wrote:

i feel like it was a bad idea to bring this thread back
Your fuckin fault for making it
roshan117
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roshan117

Khelly wrote:

roshan117 wrote:

i feel like it was a bad idea to bring this thread back
Your fuckin fault for making it
fite me
Railey2
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I think that letting people decide on matters that affect the whole world in a country like the US where a great portion of the population believes that angels are real, is a really really bad idea. Democracy works when the majority is able to educate themselves in an effort to make informed decisions. If this is not the case, which it usually isn't, I don't think that letting people vote is the way to go. I hope they do away with democracy before its too late and replace it with a better system that can overcome the general stupidity. Granted that the US already don't have real democracy as money clearly seems to rule on every level, but you get what I'm saying. It's still too close to democracy to be worthwhile.
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I'm pretty sure the country is doomed with Trump is elected and we'll still be in a shit situation if Hillary is elected.
It's a lose-lose situation.
roshan117
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RoseusJaeger wrote:

I'm pretty sure the country is doomed with Trump is elected and we'll still be in a shit situation if Hillary is elected.
It's a lose-lose situation.
Navizel
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liberals sure are tolerant :^) I love how they promote peace and hate racism :>
Rurree
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RoseusJaeger wrote:

I'm pretty sure the country is doomed with Trump is elected and we'll still be in a shit situation if Hillary is elected.
It's a lose-lose situation.
I agree. You guys are left with such terrible candidates that it's nearly impossible to pick a "worthy" candidate, I guess what the Americans could do is to pick the lesser evil of them all, which honestly for me is Sanders.
Yuudachi-kun
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Your assumption is that Trump isn't a good candidate when he is. We're left with a great one - Trump, a meh one, and a bad one.

Just four more days though until Hillary wins the nomination.
Fourth
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I've been wondering for a while
If Trump actually win. The question is, Will the muslim transfer students from my country will be sent back?
(Just went to Orientation camp last month and saw like 20 of them and each already paid more than 12,000 USD)
Mahogany
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Mahogany
My biggest problem with Trump is his vocal supporters

/r/TheDonald is why I can't stand /r/All anymore. Is there a way to ignore subreddits?
Railey2
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r/TheDonald was originally a parody subreddit that made fun of Trumps followership, then more and more idiot trump-supporters joined and now nobody knows if its still parody or if its the reality they made fun of in the start
Yuudachi-kun
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Yuudachi-kun

Railey2 wrote:

r/TheDonald was originally a parody subreddit that made fun of Trumps followership, then more and more idiot trump-supporters joined and now nobody knows if its still parody or if its the reality they made fun of in the start
Do you have a source on that or are you pulling it out of your ass

Fourth wrote:

I've been wondering for a while
If Trump actually win. The question is, Will the muslim transfer students from my country will be sent back?
(Just went to Orientation camp last month and saw like 20 of them and each already paid more than 12,000 USD)
Are they here illegally? If no, then no.
Railey2
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Railey2

Khelly wrote:

Railey2 wrote:

r/TheDonald was originally a parody subreddit that made fun of Trumps followership, then more and more idiot trump-supporters joined and now nobody knows if its still parody or if its the reality they made fun of in the start
Do you have a source on that or are you pulling it out of your ass
Pulling it out on my ass. Its actually a real sub from what I've heard, but the lines are pretty blurred here and there. A huge portion of the subscribers are just there to bait and troll real supporters, give that the whole of reddit tilts more to the left.

https://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/c ... he_donald/

just go over the top posts in the sub. It's definitely a mix of both parody and genuine support when you read the comment sections. Also memes. Lots and lots of memes. But its less parody and more genuine from what I've seen.
Navizel
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>Visiting reddit
>at all

also a reminder
Rurree
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I remember that moment and it was laughable and stupid, it took him 20 seconds too.

Well, Trump himself is a hypocrite though.




I'm no libtard nor a conservative. Just saying that I wish Americans could clear their own minds and vote for themselves. Listen to Trump, Sanders, Clinton (but please for the love of God do not vote for this stinker) and not their supporters, then make up your own mind. I can understand how people would like to vote for Trump as he's a very ambitious president that has tore down the status quo.

Personally, for me he's just a self-absorbed narcissist who will say anything to sway the minds of Americans with his generalized promises. He's already endangered the relationship between the USA and Mexico and he has already alienated the Pope. What more could he do once he sits in the Oval Office? I can't seem to appreciate also a guy who has publicly supported authoritarian regimes e.g. the Tienanmen Square massacre, "Then they were vicious, they were horrible, but they put it down with strength. That shows you the power of strength." The man thinks rolling tanks over student protesters is how you show strength. I just can't bring myself to show support for a man with an aura of tyranny, not like it matters though. This is just my own opinion though, I'm not really interested in firing back. :p

The Trump subreddit did make a good list of Trump's platform though, props to them, even if it's filled with.. you know, the usual crap.
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Rurree wrote:

I remember that moment and it was laughable and stupid, it took him 20 seconds too.

Well, Trump himself is a hypocrite though.




I'm no libtard nor a conservative. Just saying that I wish Americans could clear their own minds and vote for themselves. Listen to Trump, Sanders, Clinton (but please for the love of God do not vote for this stinker) and not their supporters, then make up your own mind. I can understand how people would like to vote for Trump as he's a very ambitious president that has tore down the status quo.

Personally, for me he's just a self-absorbed narcissist who will say anything to sway the minds of Americans with his generalized promises. He's already endangered the relationship between the USA and Mexico and he has already alienated the Pope. What more could he do once he sits in the Oval Office? I can't seem to appreciate also a guy who has publicly supported authoritarian regimes e.g. the Tienanmen Square massacre, "Then they were vicious, they were horrible, but they put it down with strength. That shows you the power of strength." The man thinks rolling tanks over student protesters is how you show strength. I just can't bring myself to show support for a man with an aura of tyranny, not like it matters though. This is just my own opinion though, I'm not really interested in firing back. :p

The Trump subreddit did make a good list of Trump's platform though, props to them, even if it's filled with.. you know, the usual crap.
Upvoted
roshan117
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roshan117

RoseusJaeger wrote:

Rurree wrote:

I remember that moment and it was laughable and stupid, it took him 20 seconds too.

Well, Trump himself is a hypocrite though.




I'm no libtard nor a conservative. Just saying that I wish Americans could clear their own minds and vote for themselves. Listen to Trump, Sanders, Clinton (but please for the love of God do not vote for this stinker) and not their supporters, then make up your own mind. I can understand how people would like to vote for Trump as he's a very ambitious president that has tore down the status quo.

Personally, for me he's just a self-absorbed narcissist who will say anything to sway the minds of Americans with his generalized promises. He's already endangered the relationship between the USA and Mexico and he has already alienated the Pope. What more could he do once he sits in the Oval Office? I can't seem to appreciate also a guy who has publicly supported authoritarian regimes e.g. the Tienanmen Square massacre, "Then they were vicious, they were horrible, but they put it down with strength. That shows you the power of strength." The man thinks rolling tanks over student protesters is how you show strength. I just can't bring myself to show support for a man with an aura of tyranny, not like it matters though. This is just my own opinion though, I'm not really interested in firing back. :p

The Trump subreddit did make a good list of Trump's platform though, props to them, even if it's filled with.. you know, the usual crap.
Upvoted
Railey2
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well, running students over with tanks is quite an extraordinary display of strength if you ask me. In the very literal sense of the word anways.
hapiPlonz
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hapiPlonz
Bernies out so basically you're all fucked,
its down to the lady and the orange now.
piruchan
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piruchan
Oh this thread is still alive?

I don't follow American politics, but Hillary seems like that annoying grandma who thinks she's always right and knows everything even though she doesn't.
Razzy
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Razzy
california rest in peace

time for all the hillary supporters to cry "internalized misogyny!" at everyone who didn't settle for their "but don't you get it? it's OUR time! *head rotates 360 degrees and starts projectile vomiting*" narrative
Endie-
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Endie-
If its Trump vs Hillary, I would pick Hillary
Vuelo Eluko
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Vuelo Eluko

Endie- wrote:

If its Trump vs Hillary, I would pick Hillary
spoken like a true foreigner who doesn't truly understand either candidate
at the end of the day both options are trash we just need the one who is going to have the least success changing things

and right now that one is trump
Lacrimae_old
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Lacrimae_old

Teffammie Maye wrote:

time for all the hillary supporters to cry "internalized misogyny!" at everyone who didn't settle for their "but don't you get it? it's OUR time! *head rotates 360 degrees and starts projectile vomiting*" narrative
can't wait for shillary to lose
Rurree
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Rurree
reasons to vote for hilliery 2016

- she has a taco

Sure, Trump may be outspoken, but Hilliery has literally killed people with her stupidity.

I'd honestly rather not vote between the two, good thing I'm nowhere near the US nor in the required age to do so.
roshan117
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roshan117

Rurree wrote:

reasons to vote for hilliery 2016

- she has a taco

Sure, Trump may be outspoken, but Hilliery has literally killed people with her stupidity.

I'd honestly rather not vote between the two, good thing I'm nowhere near the US nor in the required age to do so.
yeah good thing

i know its good to have the voting age be 18, but its kinda scary to see all of this go on hhaving no control over it
Isshiki Kaname
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Isshiki Kaname
Just adding the gasoline into the flame;

Americal election are absoulte garbage curcus.
Like, Trump resembles our Russian Zhirinovskiy.
Razzy
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Razzy

Fizzn wrote:

Just adding the gasoline into the flame;

Americal election are absoulte garbage curcus.
Like, Trump resembles our Russian Zhirinovskiy.
If the Philippines elected Duterte, the US can definitely elect Trump
Yuudachi-kun
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Yuudachi-kun
Trump is the second coming of Ronald Reagan.
Navizel
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Navizel
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
DeletedUser_6709840
DeletedUser_6709840

Khelly wrote:

Trump is the second coming of Ronald Reagan.
Ronald Reagan was trash, imo
_Latte
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_Latte
Trump: Dim-witted, arrogant, and has no idea what he is doing. (Didn't even know what the nuclear triad was >_>)
Hillary: Manipulative, a liar and criminal. My two cents for her: Go home. You do not belong in the running, nor do you deserve to be here at all.
Sanders: Socialist. (Feel the Bern)

Imo, they're all bad. I would rather vote for Bush, Cruz, or Rubio. But they dropped out. Oh well.
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