Yauxo wrote:

Hi there, stuffs copy paste text here there is no copy paste

Unrankable
Please just do it
Suggestion

[General]

1. I thought my headset broke on the left-right part
2. 03:34:795 (1) - I kinda want to argrue that this one has the correct timing, but I cant really show otherwise as there (maybe?) is a rolling beat on it

[Normal]

1. Generally, I think Slidertick-Hitsounds would fit on some Sliders so that there's no silent beat
2. 00:27:796 (1) - same angle as 00:26:510 (3) - ?
3. 00:49:225 (2) - should be the about the same to 4 as 1 to 4
4. 01:05:128 (6) - Sliderhitsounds? :<
5. 01:27:461 (2) - Something like this would be better imo. Right now it's kinda confusing as the "i" ( I think its an い dont bash me ok) and "sa" just dont fit to be mapped on one slider
   
   box

   
6. 01:51:128 (5) - blanket this one a little bit better
7. 01:54:128 (4) - Same as 1:27, but this one would be more difficult to fix. On the other hand, it might fix that weird overlap with 01:53:128 (3) -
8. 01:59:795 (1) - blanket pls
9. 02:05:128 (8) - Something like this?
   
   puush

   
10. 02:33:128 (1,3) - This overlap looks reaaaally weird. I'd say it'd be pokay if both ends were overlapping but this looks rather ... not good. It also creates a mess where 02:35:795 (1) - could become more difficult to read to new players. Do whatever you want, but make this less clustered and more readable
    
    quickmap/something like this would work just fine

    
11. 02:39:461 (2) - same as 1:27
12. 02:43:295 (4) - ^
13. 02:48:628 (1) - ^
14. 02:53:628 (3) - ^
    I'll stop mentioning those from here on. It should be clear which sliders I mean and imo they should be changed ("Double Hits" which are mapped as a Slider and stuff that would support the vocals). It's not too much of a "difficult" thing in Normals, people get used to it pretty quick from my experience. The way it is right now just sounds very awkward and out of place :< Ask me via Skype if you want all of them
    
15. 03:03:461 (2) - I'd highly suggest this one
    
    meow

    
16. 03:10:128 (4) - ^
    
    wörter

    
17. From 03:34:795 (1) - I'd move the NCs by one to the right actually. Yes, big white ticks, we had that already, but I think they would make more sense if you'd NC 03:35:795 (2) - 03:37:461 (2) - 03:39:795 (2) - and so on. Supports the vocals even more
18. 04:04:794 (3) - sounds better if you keep this on the normal 1/1 and add a note

[Hard]

1. Curve 01:12:461 (4) - a bit more and place 01:12:795 (5) - somewhere near 188/232 so that the spacing >looks< right between those 2
2. 01:49:795 (3) - Like this?
   
   woof

   
3. 02:23:795 (1) - should blanket 4's tail imo
   
   Other than that the Map looks fine to me. I'd curve this or that slider a little bit more, but thats stylerelated

[Revelation]

1. Some NCs seem really weird here. From time to time you NC jumps (so that theres like 6~8 objects) and sometimes you dont (so that theres 10~12 objects). You should maybe go over them again and maybe even double them. I could imagine that HRing will be difficult as you have less HP refill from completed combos
2. I dont know if people will be against this name (hurr durr needs normal name becasue how do I even costumize), but I guess its fine
   
3. 00:51:582 (1) - I'd start this one 1/4 behind 7
4. 01:20:128 (5,6,7,8,9) - I'd spread these a little bit more. Touching "jumps" are bad :<
5. 01:46:461 (5,6) - You could ctrl + g these for better flow (and it actually works without moving stuff)
6. 02:22:461 (4) - move NC
7. 02:53:795 (2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - So far every stream has been nice and smooth, now there's this random clustered stream. I'd say that you just place a normal low DS stream here I don't know about this yet. I did this clustered stream since the drums were really strong here so I made it this way to match it.
8. 04:08:127 (3) - Move this one further away from the slider, personal opinion, I dislike such combos

woof :3

Moo-Chan wrote:

From my modding queue~
P.S: I love this map and I've had it before you even requested the mod c:
*whispers, "I gave it 2 stars~" shhh*

Revelation:

1. I liked the idea of AR9.2 ;w;
2. 00:37:225 (8) - Maybe make the ending of this slider quieter? o:

Good luck on getting this ranked! c:

1. tags suggetion:
   metanoia

1. 00:27:368 (4) - NC
2. 00:50:082 (3) - I recommend to NC since changing rhythm
3. 01:04:128 (4,5) - blanket correctly
4. 01:28:461 (4) - end at 01:28:795
5. 01:33:795 (4) - end at 01:34:128
6. 01:40:795 (2,3) - so confusing for beginner. not to stack
7. 01:44:461 (8,1) - ^
8. 01:52:795 (2,3,4,5) - why don't you add hitsound?
9. 02:01:128 (2) - I prefer Ctrl+J and adjust spacing
10. 02:06:128 (9) - clap
11. 02:29:628 (1) - suggetion
    
12. 02:35:128 (4,2) - stack correctly
13. 02:36:795 (2,3,1) - not good flow. consider the angle of 02:37:795 (3) -
14. 02:39:461 (2) - clap
15. 02:40:128- ^
16. 02:44:795- ^
17. 02:45:461- ^
18. 02:48:795- ^
19. 02:49:461- ^
20. 02:52:795 (2,3) - not to stack
21. 02:53:795- clap
22. 02:54:128- ^
23. 02:55:295 (6) - start at 02:55:461
24. 03:03:795 (3,4) - I prefer to blanket
25. 03:10:128 (4) - clap and remove clap from the head of 03:10:461 (1) -
26. 03:10:461 (1,2) - not good blanket
27. 03:17:128 (5,6) - how about blanketting?
28. 03:50:294 (1) - suggetion ( it is better to keep 1/1 rhythm)
    
29. 04:05:127- clap
30. 04:05:794- ^

1. 01:03:461- move whistle to 01:03:128
2. 01:05:295- move whistle to 01:05:795
3. 02:22:461 (1,2) - blanket correctly
4. 03:14:461 (1,2) - I prefer to combine into 1 slider
5. 03:31:795 (3,4) - reverse slider is better inthe same way as 03:33:128 (1) -
6. 03:32:461 (1,2) - ^

1. 00:50:082 (5) - NC
2. 01:28:461 (7) - curve more
3. 01:50:961 (3,4,5,6) - mmm, not good flow, imo
4. 01:59:628 (5,7) - stack correctly

1. 22:06 Jenny: 00:25:225 (3) - unbalanced, ew
2. 22:07 Jenny: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/1870773 fixed!
3. 22:07 Jenny: 00:26:082 - there should be a circle (or sliderstart) here since the new soundpattern is starting and currently, the entire impact falls away due to it just being a sliderend
4. 22:08 Jenny: 00:29:939 (5) - slider won't be played entirely
5. 22:09 Jenny: [http://puu.sh/awm47/95dd566c4a.png that's what people will do]
6. 22:10 Jenny: 00:31:225 (1,2) - now this is neither a continuous flowline nor do the shapes contribute to anything much; would be a lot better if the mapper used a mirrored version of 1 as that goes with the consistent feeling here
7. 22:10 Jenny: 00:32:939 - same issue with the new soundpattern as before
8. 22:10 Jenny: 00:34:653 - again
9. 22:11 Jenny: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/1870786 here, much better
10. 22:11 Jenny: accentuates the consistency between 1 and 2 and the individual sounds later
11. 22:14 Jenny: 00:50:082 (5,6) - ew.
12. 22:14 Jenny: a) ctrl-j + ctrl-g 6, pls
13. 22:14 Jenny: b) this doesn't go with the vocal pressure
14. 22:15 Jenny: adding reverse arrow to 5 and just putting a circle at 00:51:046 is much better
15. 22:16 Jenny: 00:56:128 - important beat ignored and not emphasized due to it being on a slider end; even worse due to 6 being near the start of 5 as the slider will be slipped out of in addition to that, practically rendering those main layers of the song obsolete for the map
16. 22:16 Jenny: 00:58:461 - new main soundpattern starts here but there's absolutely no pressure because it's a sliderend; it's a release instead of a click, doesn't make sense
17. 22:16 Jenny: 00:59:461 (1) - random NC + same issue as before with the sliders and mainlayer pressure
18. 22:17 Jenny: 00:59:961 (2,3,4,5) - random jump values?
19. 22:17 Jenny: 01:00:461 (5,6,7) - all those are not even played as sliders due to leniency abuse
20. 22:17 Jenny: also, they're equally accentuated in the song so they should build some sort of pattern rather than just be randomly placed, seemingly
21. 22:18 Jenny: a triangle or just [https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/1870805 something like this] would work a lot better

Active/Passive Hitsounding

Active Hitsounding refers to hitsounds that you actually take an active part in (-> click), therefore, this refers to circles and sliderstarts; active hitsounds generate pressure behind the notes played and therefore should predominantly be set on already existing beats (or extremely natural-feeling additive mapping, but that's a rare exception).

Passive Hitsounding refers to hitsounds that occur without you actively participating (-> hitting) on them, such as sliderticks, reverse arrows, slider- or spinnerends; these do not generate pressure in playing and therefore should be feeling natural when silenced to emphasize longer/stronger notes in the music.



Take this example: You see, we have two sliders, 1/2 each - this will just sound like 4*1/2 hitnormal but effectively, it's played as 2*1/1, so you have to consider, when does it fit? Given that you only click the starts of the sliders, it could fit when the white ticks are (significantly) stronger than the red ones, resulting in a 1-(2)-1-(2) rhythm (1 = active, strong beat, (2) = passive, weak beat/no beat).

To visualize it better, you may draw a line under every active hitsound and leave the passive ones empty:



tl;dr: An active hitsound is when you click and there comes a sound, a passive one is when the object just makes a sound "by itself"/without an impact (-> click) required - keep this in mind, because passive are effectively weaker than active ones even when they "sound the same".

A little word on stacking

Stacking notes directly onto each other looks vastly different in editor and play mode, and many people seem to forget about this: As a rule of thumb, every note you stack onto another will appear 4|4 pixels more to the top-left, which equals one grid (size 4), so take this into consideration when you're mapping with structure and so forths, as this will result in your pattern being uneven and feeling offset.



As an example, you see that here (in the first image), there are three objects stacked on top of each other - while this looks like they are on the exact same spot in edit, effectively, it will look different in play mode (second image), so keep an eye for these things, especially if you're trying to make symmetric patterns and the likes, as the player will have to start hitting the stack at a position of x|y-(n*-4|-4), so in general, it may work better for you to use tighly spaced notes instead of absolute stacks if you want to have things aligned properly.

Care: This is significantly more important if you have notes spaced close to each other, such as in the following example.



You see that there are are about 3 grids size 4 of space between this sliderend and the stacked triple - the reason behind this is simple: I wanted to have the triple close to the sliderend (like about one grid size 4, so that it barely does not touch), but stacking it there directly would result in an ugly overlap; effectively, the triple will look fairly different in play than in edit (second example).

Also, the exact stacking value varies with CS but it stays in the same relation to your circles; I don't really know exactly values though, so always check that for yourself when using exotic sizes (which basically are not 3, 4 or 5).

50982,857.142857142857,4,2,3,30,1,8
51410,1016.94915254237,4,2,3,30,1,0
54462,333.333333333333,4,2,1,5,1,0

Jenny wrote:

1. 22:06 Jenny: 00:25:225 (3) - unbalanced, ew
2. 22:07 Jenny: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/1870773 fixed!
3. 22:07 Jenny: 00:26:082 - there should be a circle (or sliderstart) here since the new soundpattern is starting and currently, the entire impact falls away due to it just being a sliderend Intended to allow the player to listen through the whole track there.
4. 22:08 Jenny: 00:29:939 (5) - slider won't be played entirely Fixed per Raose's suggestion in her mod
5. 22:09 Jenny: [http://puu.sh/awm47/95dd566c4a.png that's what people will do]
6. 22:10 Jenny: 00:31:225 (1,2) - now this is neither a continuous flowline nor do the shapes contribute to anything much; would be a lot better if the mapper used a mirrored version of 1 as that goes with the consistent feeling here Made adjustments to force circular flow.
7. 22:10 Jenny: 00:32:939 - same issue with the new soundpattern as before Same reply.
8. 22:10 Jenny: 00:34:653 - again This one changed due to the finish hit.
9. 22:11 Jenny: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/1870786 here, much better
10. 22:11 Jenny: accentuates the consistency between 1 and 2 and the individual sounds later Not a huge fan of 1/1 spacing between objects on the timeline if there isn't an obvious silence, less instrumental ringing, so I played around with this and everything above on my own
11. 22:14 Jenny: 00:50:082 (5,6) - ew. This isn't a major issue that should be fixed. It's fine the way it is because the vocal pressure isn't strong, as a result the low spacing allows the player to interpret that much better as opposed to Ctrl-J + Ctrl-G (6)
12. 22:14 Jenny: a) ctrl-j + ctrl-g 6, pls
13. 22:14 Jenny: b) this doesn't go with the vocal pressure
14. 22:15 Jenny: adding reverse arrow to 5 and just putting a circle at 00:51:046 is much better
15. 22:16 Jenny: 00:56:128 - important beat ignored and not emphasized due to it being on a slider end; even worse due to 6 being near the start of 5 as the slider will be slipped out of in addition to that, practically rendering those main layers of the song obsolete for the map This note at 00:56:128 plays lower than 00:55:793. While I can't dismiss that it's an important beat, using the 1/1 sliders here provides emphasis for the violin and allows me to convey flow wherever I want to. In this case, by blanketing 00:56:460 (6) under 00:55:460 (1,2,3,4,5) creating structure as well as starting off a break with circular flow. Furthermore, the slider will most definitely not slip out since there is a 1/1 pause between 00:56:126 - 00:56:460, which most definitely allows players to play the entirety of 00:55:793 (5).
    
    Everything else below has been reworked to match vocal pressure.
16. 22:16 Jenny: 00:58:461 - new main soundpattern starts here but there's absolutely no pressure because it's a sliderend; it's a release instead of a click, doesn't make sense
17. 22:16 Jenny: 00:59:461 (1) - random NC + same issue as before with the sliders and mainlayer pressure
18. 22:17 Jenny: 00:59:961 (2,3,4,5) - random jump values?
19. 22:17 Jenny: 01:00:461 (5,6,7) - all those are not even played as sliders due to leniency abuse
20. 22:17 Jenny: also, they're equally accentuated in the song so they should build some sort of pattern rather than just be randomly placed, seemingly
21. 22:18 Jenny: a triangle or just [https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/1870805 something like this] would work a lot better

Giralda wrote:

jonathanlfj wrote:

there i fixed it for you happy?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Giralda wrote:

1. 01:11:626 (7,8,9) - I actually feel this jump is a little too big than what it should be
2. 01:51:459 (4) - What happened to this slider, it feels so ugly compared to other similar sliders (01:55:793 (1) - / 02:55:459 (1) - / etc.)
3. 02:21:792 - I believe a note is really needed, keep the consistence until the end!
4. 03:32:237 (2,4,6) - Wrong snapped, they should be placed on 1/6 ticks!
5. 04:29:625 (1) - Couldn't you make this spinner start a bit before? Like, 1/4 gap would fit better than a 1/2 one
   
   Loved it!

1. 00:51:473 (1) - Seems like the spinner's end is wrong snapped in Hard and Normal
2. 03:35:793 - We have some inconsistence in combos here, let's see what we can do:
3. 03:38:793 (1) - / 03:42:793 (1) - / 03:46:793 (1) - First, let's avoid these new combo, they are totally unnecessary
4. 03:36:793 (1) - / 03:40:793 (1) - I also don't see why you should have such short combo in here. Said so, add a new one on 03:41:793 (4) - in order to be consistent
5. 03:37:459 (2) - / 03:41:459 (2) - / 03:45:459 (3) - / 03:49:459 (3) - I would also move the new combo on notes in cases like these since they would fit better in terms of both vocal and patterns
   
   Solid diff, nothing else to complain about

1. 01:09:126 (6) - This actually feels a bit awful to my eyes and I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one, so what about fixing some sliders? You can delete a redpoint here and leave the last one only, this looks too compressed right now. Here have other sliders that could be improved:
2. 01:11:293 (2) - Curves are barely noticeable on this one
3. 01:27:459 (2,3) - First, I believe a stack would look better and second, you could try to make this curved slider smoother
4. 01:33:793 (4) - This looks kind of crumpled
5. 01:43:459 (6) - You can barely see the curve of this one (you can also stack the following note for a better result)
6. 02:54:459 (5,6,7) - These look randomly placed because they don't have any other object to blanket with
7. 03:08:459 (2,3) - The blanket at the end doesn't really matter here, since the missed blanket at the start makes the pattern aesthetically worse
8. 03:10:459 (1) - Either improve the blanket or re-use a slider you used several times before (03:06:459 (3) - like this one)
   
   Other than that, the diff is fine

NTRRR wrote:

Fuck i lost my fist mod cause im an idiot that didnt use word. This is my attempt at salvaging but shit was more tragic than titanic. Probably forgot some of the stuff i did but whatever fuck you. insane maybe later

http://puu.sh/aIe2Y.rar (hitsound i used and my stuff)

normal
00:51:410 (1) - unsnapped spinner?

01:07:792 - 01:18:459 - i would refrain from using snares here. I used a different hitsound, that helped emphasize the shift into 01:18:792 - Not entirely, since maintaining this hitsound allows for consistency between the whole spread.

01:46:459 (3) - why when the kiai starts you use long sliders with repeaters? 01:49:126 (3) - is another problem. Keep the higher than the section before the kiai. The repeats for normal are done to reduce the difficulty so that it makes it an easier Normal.

01:55:793 (1) - Same as above ^

SPOILER

02:58:459 (3) - maybe end slider here? 02:58:959 - Probably not since I would much prefer to hit the white tick there instead.

03:06:459 (3,4,5,6) - dont slow this pard down speed it up its kiai. Same reason as 01:46:459 (3)

SPOILER

Hard

01:31:459 (3) - This is too similar to the next combo and thus the change in phase is loaded 01:31:459 (3) - instead of 01:31:793 (1) - , where the NC is. change this to a single the direction where 01:31:793 (1) goes into fits perfectly with the vocal pressure in the music so personally it would be a waste to not be able to emphasize that properly

01:55:459 (4,5,6,7,1) - we talked about this and 03:07:459 (4,5,6,7,1) - after some thought, I want to keep this simply to keep the spread on an even level. It provides challenge and going from Hard -> Insane would be a much easier transition for new players.

03:12:959 (4) - added a one here too keep up the pacing since last 2 and half combos were slowing things down. nothing really there to allow anything

03:31:793 (3) - 03:33:793 (1) - You know you want to finish spam all of these objects and the cymbals are there to support it. Remove finish from 03:30:792 - and 03:31:125 - if you do this Some of that are just whistles and the finish at 03:30:792 is for violin emphasis

04:01:458 - I did stuff here and i think it plays well. there's more emphasis going into 04:02:125 (1) -

captin1 wrote:

(「・ω・)「

Okoratu wrote:

21:29 Okoratu: spoilerbox: a little word on stacking
21:29 Giralda: oh yeah that
21:30 Okoratu: 01:53:795 (3) - press test around here and just look what could be broken
21:31 Okoratu: 01:55:461 (4,5,6,7,1) - becomes http://puu.sh/afFXF/4537708aaf.jpg
21:31 Okoratu: and well you could factor that in when stacking those things in the editor
21:32 Okoratu: the slider stays at its initial position while the stack itself is deformed
21:34 Okoratu: 03:07:461 (4,5,6,7,1) - ^ that's kinda the same