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ELISA - Wonder Wind (TV Size)

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Topic Starter
ShanaTan
This beatmap was submitted using in-game submission on den 20 december 2010 at 00:29:25

Artist: ELISA
Title: Wonder Wind (TV Size)
Source: Hayate no Gotoku!!
Tags: NatsumeRin
BPM: 163
Filesize: 12004kb
Play Time: 01:25
Difficulties Available:
  1. Hard (4,43 stars, 140 notes)
  2. Insane (5 stars, 283 notes)
  3. Normal (2,39 stars, 74 notes)
  4. Rin's Taiko (5 stars, 470 notes)
Download: ELISA - Wonder Wind (TV Size)
Download: ELISA - Wonder Wind (TV Size) (no video)
Information: Scores/Beatmap Listing
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Normal - Done!
Hard - Done!
Insane - Done!
Taiko diff by NatsumeRin - Done!

23/11-10 > Big rework on Normal and Hard to some extent, added combobursts and a custom hitsound!
subarasikibuta
wow~~fight~~ :)
Vikon
8-)
NatsumeRin
NanaDesu
:D
Eddotan
[Overall]
uncheck the "letterbox during breaks"

[Normal]
00:30:570 (2) - move the slider to red tick (00:30:386) and make sure finish it in white tick
00:32:043 (1) - move to 00:32:043
00:41:613 (4) - i think it looks nice with a slider :p ( http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/18334 )
01:16:766 (1,2,3) - maybe these slider could be vertically, so doesnt repeat the previous pattern

Tested and offset feels great ^^

[Hard]
All Fine.

[Insane]
00:41:613 (10) - sounds better with a spinner instead.


nice map :)
starred~
Topic Starter
ShanaTan

Eddotan wrote:

[Overall]
uncheck the "letterbox during breaks" Fixed

[Normal]
00:30:570 (2) - move the slider to red tick (00:30:386) and make sure finish it in white tick No, I'm trying to limit snapping to the red ticks since this is the easiest diff afterall =P + I follow this sort of style on more places aswell.
00:32:043 (1) - move to 00:32:043 Whaaaaat? xD
00:41:613 (4) - i think it looks nice with a slider :p ( http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/18334 ) Well I guess it does but I think the break fits well here.
01:16:766 (1,2,3) - maybe these slider could be vertically, so doesnt repeat the previous pattern Leaving it as it is now cause it looks weird vertically and it messes up the spacing big time >.<

Tested and offset feels great ^^

[Hard]
All Fine.

[Insane]
00:41:613 (10) - sounds better with a spinner instead. Fixed


nice map :)
starred~
Thanks for the mod and star ^^
NaomiMinette
[Normal]
Fine~

[Hard]
00:51:368 (3,4) - Make into a single slider?

[Insane]
00:30:202 (2) - Isn't this a bit too low?

Nothing really to complain about, so have a ★~
Shiro
Major issues in the map: it is highly recommended to fix them.
Minor issue in the map: you don't have to follow them exactly, but I recommend you to.
Suggestions: those are personal opinions, feel free to follow them or not.
Comments.
If there's one red line in the whole mod post, or three blue lines, I won't star the map.

Normal:
00:06:092 (1) - Too close to previous object.
00:11:981 (1) - ^

00:16:582 (1) - What are those timing sections ?
00:30:570 (2) - Move one grid (lvl 3) down.
00:37:932 (1) - Move one grid up.
01:02:963 (3) - Move one grid down. (you'll have to move 01:03:515 (1) - one grid down too)


Hard:
00:15:294 (1,2,3,4,1) - Even after playing the map 5 times I couldn't tell how those were timed. You should change the pattern.
00:16:582 (1) - What are those timing sections ?
00:34:251 (1,2,3,4) - Those jumps are kind of hard I think, reduce them a little.

Insane:
Very nice Insane, nothing to say.

Rin's taiko:
Nice diff.

Star.
Topic Starter
ShanaTan

Blazevoir wrote:

[Normal]
Fine~

[Hard]
00:51:368 (3,4) - Make into a single slider? No, why? =P

[Insane]
00:30:202 (2) - Isn't this a bit too low? Uhm it's fully visible in play mode so keeping it as it is for now.

Nothing really to complain about, so have a ★~

Odaril wrote:

Major issues in the map: it is highly recommended to fix them.
Minor issue in the map: you don't have to follow them exactly, but I recommend you to.
Suggestions: those are personal opinions, feel free to follow them or not.
Comments.
If there's one red line in the whole mod post, or three blue lines, I won't star the map.

Normal:
00:06:092 (1) - Too close to previous object. Fixed
00:11:981 (1) - ^ Fixed
00:16:582 (1) - What are those timing sections ? To slowly increase the volume =P
00:30:570 (2) - Move one grid (lvl 3) down. Fixed
00:37:932 (1) - Move one grid up. Fixed
01:02:963 (3) - Move one grid down. (you'll have to move 01:03:515 (1) - one grid down too) Fixed

Hard:
00:15:294 (1,2,3,4,1) - Even after playing the map 5 times I couldn't tell how those were timed. You should change the pattern. Technically there is nothing wrong with it and this is a hard diff afterall so I'm keeping this for now =P
00:16:582 (1) - What are those timing sections ? To slowly increase the volume =P
00:34:251 (1,2,3,4) - Those jumps are kind of hard I think, reduce them a little. Fixed

Insane:
Very nice Insane, nothing to say.

Rin's taiko:
Nice diff.

Star.
Thanks for the mods and stars ^^
Teras
Tjena :P

[Hard]

00:12:349 (3) New combo? Would look better there according to me.

Nothing to really complain about here. Everything looks solid to me. ^^

Star.
Garven
As per your request:

[General]
The video is really out of sync. Try to line up the karaoke lyrics with the timing.

[Normal]
01:15:294 (1,2) - Line these up?
Kinda didn't like the linear nature of the map, but it's fine otherwise.

[Hard]
01:16:766 (1,2) - :3

[Insane]
00:29:466 (6,1) - Gah, anti jump got me.

[Taiko]
Sounds fine to me~

Nothing wrong here. Good set!
Topic Starter
ShanaTan

Teras wrote:

Tjena :P

[Hard]

00:12:349 (3) New combo? Would look better there according to me. Fixed

Nothing to really complain about here. Everything looks solid to me. ^^

Star.

Garven wrote:

As per your request:

[General]
The video is really out of sync. Try to line up the karaoke lyrics with the timing. Lol, have you even bothered to play it? It's prefectly in sync unless you just screw around in the editor.

[Normal]
01:15:294 (1,2) - Line these up? Fixed =P
Kinda didn't like the linear nature of the map, but it's fine otherwise.

[Hard]
01:16:766 (1,2) - :3 Yeah I dno how to interpret that

[Insane]
00:29:466 (6,1) - Gah, anti jump got me. eh?

[Taiko]
Sounds fine to me~

Nothing wrong here. Good set!
Thanks for the mods =P
Garven

Nekoo[] wrote:

[General]
The video is really out of sync. Try to line up the karaoke lyrics with the timing. Lol, have you even bothered to play it? It's prefectly in sync unless you just screw around in the editor.

I see what's going on. It's only in the Insane diff that it's out of sync. Geez, you really think I didn't play the map?

[Hard]
01:16:766 (1,2) - :3 Yeah I dno how to interpret that
Eh, I had redownloaded for this reply and it still was out of sync only on the Insane diff. But oh well, I guess I that means that I didn't play the map at all. (instead of filling up pointless replies I'll just edit, hehe)
Topic Starter
ShanaTan
Considering that all diffs have the same video offset and I don't get any sync problems at all on insane. No I don't think you played through the map, I'm sorry =P

lol, I'll look into that slider artness =P
Zetsubou Sensei
OMG YES!! WONDER WIND!!! Hayate no Gotoku :3

[Normal]
00:41:061 (3) - extend this slider to end at 00:41:613 (removing the 4)
00:46:582 (5) - extend this slider to end at 00:47:319 (removing the 6)
00:49:895 (1) - extend this slider to end at 00:50:632
00:50:816 (2) - add another repeat
00:59:282 (1) - extend this slider to end at 01:00:202 (Check it out...it sounds better to me...:P but you can decide on this one)
01:00:386 (2) - extend this slider to end at 01:01:306 (again this sounds better...try them out)
01:04:987 (1) - extend this slider to end at 01:06:276
01:06:460 (2) - extend this slider to end at 01:07:748
01:10:877 (1) - extend this slider to end at 01:12:165
01:16:766 (1) - extend this slider to end at 01:18:055
01:18:239 (2) - extend this slider to end at 01:19:527
01:22:288 (3) - maybe make this a slider that ends at 01:23:944 (removing the 4 repeating slider....This sounds alot better to me)
01:24:497 (1) - extend this slider to end at 01:25:233 (removing the 2...sounds alot better like this)
Then Resnap...

[Hard]
00:13:085 (1) - maybe add another repeat?
01:00:570 (2) - extend this slider to end at 01:01:490
01:10:877 (1) - extend this slider to end at 01:12:165
01:16:766 (1) - extend this slider to end at 01:18:055
01:18:239 (2) - extend this slider to end at 00:19:527
Then Resnap...

[Insane]
Seems fine.

[Rin's Taiko]
Dont mod taiko's...

Overall...I love this freaking opening!! What a great show!

~STAR GOOD LUCK!
Topic Starter
ShanaTan

Zetsubou Sensei wrote:

OMG YES!! WONDER WIND!!! Hayate no Gotoku :3

[Normal]
00:41:061 (3) - extend this slider to end at 00:41:613 (removing the 4) Fixed
00:46:582 (5) - extend this slider to end at 00:47:319 (removing the 6) Fixed
00:49:895 (1) - extend this slider to end at 00:50:632 No
00:50:816 (2) - add another repeat No
00:59:282 (1) - extend this slider to end at 01:00:202 (Check it out...it sounds better to me...:P but you can decide on this one) No, on the easiest difficuilty I want to avoid having notes so close to eachother =P
01:00:386 (2) - extend this slider to end at 01:01:306 (again this sounds better...try them out) No
01:04:987 (1) - extend this slider to end at 01:06:276 No
01:06:460 (2) - extend this slider to end at 01:07:748 No
01:10:877 (1) - extend this slider to end at 01:12:165 No, ugh being a bit repetetive here but this is the easiest diff after all =P
01:16:766 (1) - extend this slider to end at 01:18:055 No
01:18:239 (2) - extend this slider to end at 01:19:527 No
01:22:288 (3) - maybe make this a slider that ends at 01:23:944 (removing the 4 repeating slider....This sounds alot better to me) No, I'm sorry but I don't think it fits the vocals, at all.
01:24:497 (1) - extend this slider to end at 01:25:233 (removing the 2...sounds alot better like this) Fixed
Then Resnap... Why do I need to resnap?

[Hard]
00:13:085 (1) - maybe add another repeat? Fixed
01:00:570 (2) - extend this slider to end at 01:01:490 Fixed
01:10:877 (1) - extend this slider to end at 01:12:165 No
01:16:766 (1) - extend this slider to end at 01:18:055 No
01:18:239 (2) - extend this slider to end at 00:19:527 No
Then Resnap... Why do I need to resnap?

[Insane]
Seems fine.

[Rin's Taiko]
Dont mod taiko's...

Overall...I love this freaking opening!! What a great show!

~STAR GOOD LUCK!
Thanks for the mod and star ^^
Mianki
Insane:

00:47:871 (2.5.7) Whistle?

Sweet map, didin't found anything else :D
Star~
roflninja
Hi,
I actually planned to map this at some point, you beat me to it xD
really nice map though :)

[normal]
00:04:435 (1) - imo, cut some repeats and extend it, so it ends at the same time? (cutting 3 and extending 2 sounded better, and to many repeats may be hard for newer players)
00:41:061 (3) - start at 00:41:245 and end the same?

[hard]
+1 OD plays better for me

[insane]
fine
IceBeam
[Normal]
00:14:006 - Why don't you fill this spot with notes? Make a slider for example? Anyway,I feel like you should add a note at 00:14:742.Sounds weird w/o it.
I won't suggest about each other,but your map has way too much break times and empty empty spots you can easily fill with notes.It's TV Size...well,nvm.

[Hard]
00:57:625 (1) - Better make a slider here.Spinner is too fast and sudden.

[Insane]
Cute,but...
01:24:497 (1) - It's too close.Hope you will pass it through ranking criteria.

Nice work,star~
Topic Starter
ShanaTan

SadKangaroo wrote:

[Normal]
00:14:006 - Why don't you fill this spot with notes? Make a slider for example? Anyway,I feel like you should add a note at 00:14:742.Sounds weird w/o it. Fixed a slider and ended it on 00:14:926
I won't suggest about each other,but your map has way too much break times and empty empty spots you can easily fill with notes.It's TV Size...well,nvm. I think I'm following the vocals pretty good, this is the easiest diff after all =P

[Hard]
00:57:625 (1) - Better make a slider here.Spinner is too fast and sudden. Last time I checked the minimum score for a spinner on hard and insane was 2k which this spinner has so I'm leaving it as it is until I can get this confirmed

[Insane]
Cute,but...
01:24:497 (1) - It's too close.Hope you will pass it through ranking criteria. Guess why there's a new combo there =P

Nice work,star~
Takuma
Heello. (:

Insane:

00:01:858 (1) ~ 00:13:822 (4) feels a bit weird the way it is now. Fast paced on a slow part, with slow sliders, eww. Try toning it down.

Other than that, this map looks great.
Topic Starter
ShanaTan

pandabun wrote:

Heello. (:

Insane:

00:01:858 (1) ~ 00:13:822 (4) feels a bit weird the way it is now. Fast paced on a slow part, with slow sliders, eww. Try toning it down.

Other than that, this map looks great.
Hmm I tried making it a bit more "fitting" ^^
aRiskOfRain
This is great~
Mint Bunny
yay~ here's my mod! :)

normal:
00:45:478: i think this would be better if you delete the note and then add a repeat to the slider
01:12:349: make this slider end on the next white tick ---> that way?
00:45:478: add a repeat?

hard:
good ^^

insane:
yay insane :)

over already? :P
star :)
Leorda
HEJ

[General]
You need an easier diff, so the new player can enjoy this map

[Normal]
00:46:214 (x) - Add note here? Feels empty
00:47:135 (x) - ^
00:47:319 (x) - ^
01:15:294 (1) - Move 1 grid down?

[Hard]
Fine~

[Insane]
Fine~

I don't mod Rin's Taiko, because she is master
And sorry, I can't find something wrong
Good song
STAR
Topic Starter
ShanaTan

Leorda wrote:

HEJ

[General]
You need an easier diff, so the new player can enjoy this map Wat, no I don't?

[Normal]
00:46:214 (x) - Add note here? Feels empty Fixed
00:47:135 (x) - ^ No
00:47:319 (x) - ^ Fixed
01:15:294 (1) - Move 1 grid down? Fixed

[Hard]
Fine~

[Insane]
Fine~

I don't mod Rin's Taiko, because she is master
And sorry, I can't find something wrong
Good song
STAR
Thanks ^^
Tomoka Rin
star
vivere
Hi and sorry for the delay, but I am at exam time and I have to study hard >_<

[Norma]:

01:15:293 (2)- New combo? This removes.
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[Hard]:

00:16:398- To start the new combo here...
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[Insane]:

00:05:171- Have a better curvature
00:25:785- To star the new conbo here
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Not so much of Taiko, which is why I did not mod ... sorry :<

Good map :)

Star~
Topic Starter
ShanaTan
Updated, thanks =P
lovhin456
Hi :3

General;
- Nice song, lovely ~
- Add skin elements so this will look even better ?? Here, have 2 combobursts, you can use both or choose one, also I can make a hitcirlce and star if you want :3
- You need an easy diff, but normal is pretty easy, so it counts as one right ?? :3

Normal;
- 00:16:398 >> remove whistle and add finish
- 00:41:245 >> add 2 repetitions
- 01:00:386 >> add one repeat
- 01:04:987 (1)(2)(3) >> come on, use bezier, curved sliders, change this to curved, bezier sliders if possible ~
- 01:10:877 (1)(2) >> ^
- 01:16:766 (1)(2)(3) >> ^
- 01:22:656 >> 2 more repeats
- 01:25:601 >> remove whistle and add finish
- Slider tick rate 2 ??

Hard;
- 01:19:711 >> remove whistle, add finish
- 01:22:288 (3, 1, 2) >> spacing
- 01:25:601 >> remove whistle, add finish

Insane;
- 00:16:582 (1-13) >> I love this part <3 ~
- 01:25:601 >> remove whistle, add finish

Rin's Taiko;
- Can't really mod taiko, sorry ~

* Nice maps, star ~ :3

Topic Starter
ShanaTan

lovhin456 wrote:

Hi :3

General;
- Nice song, lovely ~
- Add skin elements so this will look even better ?? Here, have 2 combobursts, you can use both or choose one, also I can make a hitcirlce and star if you want :3 I'm sorry but I'm strongly against using skin elements in a beatmap since I think that it's just annoying when you all of a sudden get a strange hit skin or something, although I suppose a comboburst wouldn't really hurt adding though. I'll think about it.
SPOILER
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[attachment=0:501b2]nagi-combo.png[/attachment:501b2]
- You need an easy diff, but normal is pretty easy, so it counts as one right ?? :3 The thing is if I'm not wrong, you don't need an "easy diff" too pass the ranking criteria, you need an "easier" diff which new players can pass and I definately think my normal passes that critera

Normal;
- 00:16:398 >> remove whistle and add finish Sorry but I just don't think it fits there >.<
- 00:41:245 >> add 2 repetitions Wat, no?
- 01:00:386 >> add one repeat Sry but this doesn't follow the vocal at all ethier >.>
- 01:04:987 (1)(2)(3) >> come on, use bezier, curved sliders, change this to curved, bezier sliders if possible ~ Fine, fixed =P
- 01:10:877 (1)(2) >> ^ No.
- 01:16:766 (1)(2)(3) >> ^ Fixed.
- 01:22:656 >> 2 more repeats No, doesn't really follow the vocals, at all.
- 01:25:601 >> remove whistle and add finish Yeah I had that at first but changed it cause it sounded weird =P
- Slider tick rate 2 ?? Wat, why? That just sounds weird to me =P

Hard;
- 01:19:711 >> remove whistle, add finish Doesn't fit.
- 01:22:288 (3, 1, 2) >> spacing There's nothing wrong with the spacing here, sorry =P
- 01:25:601 >> remove whistle, add finish Same as normal.

Insane;
- 00:16:582 (1-13) >> I love this part <3 ~
- 01:25:601 >> remove whistle, add finish Same as normal.

Rin's Taiko;
- Can't really mod taiko, sorry ~

* Nice maps, star ~ :3
Well thanks for the mod =P
Lesjuh
Hard
00:57:625 (1) - This spinner is quite a surprise. Remove it or extend it by 2 ticks, if you do so start it 2 ticks earlier.

Other than that everything looks fine to me~
swish
good map~ ;)
Derekku
[General]
*You could try setting the preview point a blue or red tick early to account for the song select fade-in. Or... even set it to 00:58:546 for the non-vocal lead-in to the chorus.
*Try to use more finishes (not counting Taiko). The maps felt a bit quiet, and not even the last note of the song was finished...
*I suggest using a silent soft-sliderslide .wav file or something (at least for the beginning). The drumrolls on the sliders sound out of place and bad...
*Offset is a bit early (1,866 should be better), but the mp3 itself sounds a bit low-quality. Could you find a better quality one (max of 256kbps)?

[Normal]
*Too tricky to be the easiest difficulty in the set. The majority of notes were on red ticks, which were unexpected, and I could barely follow them while watching in the editor. Also, the slider velocity was a bit too high, too many repeating sliders like 00:06:460 (2) were used, and I'd like to see the largest circle size being used. So, instead of remapping the entire difficulty, why not add a real Easy diff to this set?
*Modding this as a normal, though... it's still a bit tricky... you don't need to follow the lyrics 100%, especially when the beat placement makes the map feel awkward to play (like I mentioned above). I don't see anything "unrankable", but this difficulty could still use a bit of work. PS: Use the largest circle size even if you make an Easy, please.

[Hard]
*Much better than Normal, but could still use some work as well.
00:13:085 (1,2) - Ouch, this sounds awkward. I don't know if it's just the hitsounds, but perhaps try lowering of gradually decreasing the volume on this...
00:57:441 (1) - A bit short (even for a Hard), maybe extend this to 00:58:914?

[Insane]
*Much better, although a bit soft-whistle spammy. :s

[Rin's Taiko]
Looks fine.
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