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Faust
OT has never gone anywhere beyond providing shit to pass time at work.

I've never really bothered with reddit, much less /r/osugame at all but I say it's still a more constructive place than this, even if both seem to churn out crap.
As Railey here put it, the latter has more merits.
-Makishima S-
It's ok then, yet i need to admit one thing and will keep this till reddit mods will start doing their job and clearing subreddit from shit like "x changed avatar" etc which is purely not-related and discussion worthless:

Amount of shit hides quality content.

And how many of quality content what decide about game is there? 1-2 topics per month in tons of pure shit?

Despite moving all cheaters out of main subforum, still i could completly disable up/downvotes function at all.

It's "innocent until proven guilty". I have no idea what Kynan said, but I noticed that many people have issues with this principle (invoke it at the wrong places and or just fundamentally misunderstand how it works). Kynan might or might not be one of them, but rest assured that the basic principle is very useful in minimizing the damage done to a mostly innocent playerbase. It is particularly powerful when backed by a relatively reliable hacker-detection system.
From when you accuse someone for cheating if you don't have proofs? In real life when you lose something you also instantly accuse random guy who passed you for stealing your stuff and demanding police to cage him? I said i am not sure if it was Kynan or someone else who started this bullshit but accepting this is highly unprofessional.
You can be suspicious but you cannot instantly accuse someone of doing this.
Yuudachi-kun
Osugame doesn't deserve anything but to be placed in one category. burn them all

i'll continue to let tou waste your time typing paragraphs to me as you're prone to do
FuZ
idk
Railey2

[Taiga] wrote:

It's ok then, yet i need to admit one thing and will keep this till reddit mods will start doing their job and clearing subreddit from shit like "x changed avatar" etc which is purely not-related and discussion worthless:

Amount of shit hides quality content.
There is nothing bad about "x changed avatar" posts. When its information about top-players, the people there like reading and commenting it. Its a bit like a rural newsletter with its "today there was a car crash in Tinyvillage#4!"-articles. Let them have it. The place can be about more than just high quality threads. I for once enjoy having all the recent good plays listed there, ready for me to watch on YT or as a replay.

Khelly wrote:

Osugame doesn't deserve anything but to be placed in one category. burn them all

i'll continue to let tou waste your time typing paragraphs to me as you're prone to do
Thinking things through is never a waste of time, its a valuable exercise if done correctly. I'd recommend it to you too, but seeing your track record here, it appears that you aren't very interested.

[Taiga] wrote:

Railey2 wrote:

It's "innocent until proven guilty". I have no idea what Kynan said, but I noticed that many people have issues with this principle (invoke it at the wrong places and or just fundamentally misunderstand how it works). Kynan might or might not be one of them, but rest assured that the basic principle is very useful in minimizing the damage done to a mostly innocent playerbase. It is particularly powerful when backed by a relatively reliable hacker-detection system.
From when you accuse someone for cheating if you don't have proofs? In real life when you lose something you also instantly accuse random guy who passed you for stealing your stuff and demanding police to cage him? I said i am not sure if it was Kynan or someone else who started this bullshit but accepting this is highly unprofessional.
You can be suspicious but you cannot instantly accuse someone of doing this.
As I suspected.

Here, these links explain the principle (and some more things).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_dubio_pro_reo
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presumption_of_innocence

What you suggested first is the exact opposite of what it actually means. Innocent until proven guilty, it is. Not guilty until proven innocent.
Yuudachi-kun
You're right. I'm not interested in what you have to say. If I was, I might listen, but I'm not so I won't.
-Makishima S-
What you suggested first is the exact opposite of what it actually means. Innocent until proven guilty, it is. Not guilty until proven innocent.
Way how reddit works is: you are guilty of cheating until you prove your innocence. Sorry.
You get tons of curses into your face and if at the end you stand to be innocent, nobody will care to appologize, more, you will be still called a cheater and this posts will be upvoted.
Railey2

[Taiga] wrote:

What you suggested first is the exact opposite of what it actually means. Innocent until proven guilty, it is. Not guilty until proven innocent.
Way how reddit works is: you are guilty of cheating until you prove your innocence. Sorry.
You get tons of curses into your face and if at the end you stand to be innocent, nobody will care to appologize, more, you will be still called a cheater and this posts will be upvoted.
aah thats what you meant, I misunderstood.

The community on reddit is split on this. For reference, see the recent drama about Vaxei and the less recent drama about Seiko. In every thread about Seiko there were multiple people saying that he should be considered innocent until there was proof of his illegitimacy. There was also multiple people leaving sarcastic Razer™-comments and yes there was also people "not buying it".

I don't see people calling Vaxei a cheater anymore, even after he had the majority raging against himself. In fact, I think people respect him more now, after he handled the shitstorm maturely and put up two liveplays of himself.

As I said before, the userbase is very varied. Putting them all in one category doesn't do them justice.
-Makishima S-
I was one of this people who was defending Seiko till last judgment was called by staff - his restriction. Everyone who was against this rule was non-existant, i dont want to even search every post when i stated that "innocent until proven guilty" is the right way which ended with -20/-30/-40 points.

Unfortunely, group of people who are acting wise and mature is minority and all of them gets massively downvoted every time when they stand something what against stupidity ruled by this subforum.
Railey2

[Taiga] wrote:

I was one of this people who was defending Seiko till last judgment was called by staff - his restriction. Everyone who was against this rule was non-existant, i dont want to even search every post when i stated that "innocent until proven guilty" is the right way which ended with -20/-30/-40 points.

Unfortunely, group of people who are acting wise and mature is minority and all of them gets massively downvoted every time when they stand something what against stupidity ruled by this subforum.
https://www.reddit.com/r/osugame/commen ... ick_xd_dt/ the thread of most controversial seiko-play. Here you again have both views represented, with the only heavily downvoted post being one that accuses him of cheating. Although I'd agree that the tendency at that point was more tilted towards guilty.
Then again, it is valid to say that as soon as the plays get ridiculous enough, this can be seen as definite proof that someone is hacking. And at that point, Seiko-plays tilted towards ridiculous too.
ColdTooth

abraker wrote:

OT or /osugame

Discuss.
The answer is simple. ColdTooth is the only possible answer
Rilene

ColdTooth wrote:

abraker wrote:

OT or /osugame

Discuss.
The answer is simple. ColdTooth is the only possible answer
u wot m8
Bweh
OT
BigEarsMau
Both of them are equally cancerous, but not as cancerous as YouTube comments
Endie-

echidnacea wrote:

/r/osugame because reddit
Topic Starter
abraker
Alright, I think it's time for me to have my say in this. Reddit is more cancerous. At least OT doesn't spread like a wildfire. Yea OT is dumber, yea reddit has some better stuff than OT, but overall reddit did much harm than OT will probably ever do. Accusing player of cheating and as a result striping their pride off temporarily or permenently is probably the worst it does.

tl;dr:
Reddit - the cencerous wildfire consisting of players feeding off others by burning them
OT - the dumb shithole where whatever falls in rarely gets out.
Railey2
this is a convincing argument. Also mind the collective bullying of https://www.reddit.com/user/Hata-tan (link)
FuZ
thats actually the best thread of this subreddit

hes such an annoying piece of shit
-Makishima S-
*asking 4chan to raid /r/osugame to make mods die from amount of spam*

kek

To be serious, in my opinion someone should wipe this subreddit completly, ban mods, take responsible once, remove up/downvotes and remake it from scratch. Maybe then it have chance to be a contructive and helpfull place.

thats actually the best thread of this subreddit

hes such an annoying piece of shit
Hata isn't annoying at all, i could find way more stupid people.
Especialy this one who randomly create topic about HW (in negative way...)
FuZ
>contructive and helpfull place
>osu community

ayy

i would like to know the average age of this community

[Taiga] wrote:

Hata isn't annoying at all
he sucks way too much dicks tbh
-Makishima S-
he sucks way too much dicks tbh
First one who come into my mind without checking post history when i think about most shitty and toxic person in xxdeathx... why?
Hata never came into my mind, xxdeathx somehow i remember very well in negative way, just dunno why. Cba to check his post history.
Topic Starter
abraker

[Taiga] wrote:

To be serious, in my opinion someone should wipe this subreddit completly, ban mods, take responsible once, remove up/downvotes and remake it from scratch. Maybe then it have chance to be a contructive and helpfull place
We honestly cant come to a sweet spot. There is the left, what the reddit is now, and then there is the right, what the osu!forums are meant to be. I enjoy looking through reddit posts of "this player got X pp!" and I enjoy looking at the latest drama. What is not fun is when those posts that are meant to inform us turn to breeding grounds for karma savages. If the osu! staff got hold of it, they would prob not even let those threads exist.

Hitting that sweet spot is possible, but doubt it will ever happen. Internet is just too full of idiots who jump on the idiot's bandwagon and carefully cleaning their mess up instead of shoving everything into a trash bin is too much work..
puccithecat

abraker wrote:

OT or /osugame

Discuss.
ummm... maybe lung cancer?
or maybe brain cancer..?
idk
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