Question: How frequently does Skills update the top 100 scores?
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Gigo wrote:
Acuiasa wrote:
How often does this update scores? I made some new top 100 plays but none of my numbers went up when I first checked. I checked back a few days later and the stats are different.Kert wrote:
Global updates happen weekly and scores from Top PP lists update twice a day (at max)
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"2Minhtam"
Every Sunday I believeMinhtam wrote:
On what day of the week do global updates happen?
SPOILER
you could just count by yourself using Last top100 update date shown on the site
Also we made an update today!
Rankings per skill added!!
Thanks everyone for the feedback. We really appreciate it
I actually love this. Looking forward to your future plans
Sweet idea! Hope this will be executed properly one day, because the concept is great. I wish you luck with this project!
Kert, you know what I am missing. So I don't have to mention it!
https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/4123070 this score isn't appearing in my memory skill list and I did it before the last top 100 update...any idea why?
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Sorry, broOnosakiHito wrote:
Kert, you know what I am missing. So I don't have to mention it!
Maybe if you can help me!~Looks like this map with these mods gives 0 points in memory and thus it's not even appearing on the listRemyria wrote:
https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/4123070 this score isn't appearing in my memory skill list and I did it before the last top 100 update...any idea why?
I think it's 0 points in memory because the "memory" portion of the +FL mod doesn't really start to kick in until you're past 100x combo (the first time the flashlight window shrinks). Considering that this map only goes up to 97 combo, there really isn't any memory needed.Kert wrote:
Looks like this map with these mods gives 0 points in memory and thus it's not even appearing on the listRemyria wrote:
https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/4123070 this score isn't appearing in my memory skill list and I did it before the last top 100 update...any idea why?
what? actually it's the one I found the hardest to do ._.Kert wrote:
Looks like this map with these mods gives 0 points in memory and thus it's not even appearing on the listRemyria wrote:
https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/4123070 this score isn't appearing in my memory skill list and I did it before the last top 100 update...any idea why?
and trust me, minhtam, it needed memory x_x
I played it and it doesn't need memorization, the next circle is ALWAYS visible at the very edge of the visible area which means that you can FC the map without memorization as long as you have a clean skin and good reactions.
SS might be not as easy but that's not part of memorization.
SS might be not as easy but that's not part of memorization.
The circles are always visible in all the other memory scores I have ._.Endaris wrote:
I played it and it doesn't need memorization, the next circle is ALWAYS visible at the very edge of the visible area which means that you can FC the map without memorization as long as you have a clean skin and good reactions.
SS might be not as easy but that's not part of memorization.
Maybe you could take into consideration hidden in your thing(if it's already the case, try to work more on it :\), since my best one (at 256 with DT+HR+FL) was WAY easier(took me like 2-3 tries) than the one I complained about (that took me over 70 tries with HD+DT+HR+FL)
I took all mods into my consideration.
Maybe Kert included some stressbonus for holding combo above 200.
Maybe Kert included some stressbonus for holding combo above 200.
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Maybe after finishing with osu! standard skillsOtakGravure wrote:
when there osu skills to other modes ??
There is no stressbonus - only the visible radius changes.
I checked the map personally and everything was visible from a previous object.
Maybe you should tweak your display/monitor settings. Because if you have them too dark you may not see what you infact should.
Try this http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/
Why doesn't Cookiezi's Time Freeze play come up in Tenacity or anywhere else?
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Fixed.
Oh, HELL, do you know how ridiculously difficult it is to FL anything with more than 200 combo?Endaris wrote:
I took all mods into my consideration.
Maybe Kert included some stressbonus for holding combo above 200.
Yes, but did you even read what we discussed...?
It appears you didn't.
It appears you didn't.
Is there a way you can also fetch the top50(250?) plays per selected mod? It could be very useful for calculating reading for the EZmod players, since their plays aren't going to appear anywhere else! 
Actually it's possible and it should be able to capture additional scores, but it will take longer to process. Currently it takes a long time to go through all the thousands of beatmaps and this will double to quadruple this time with some duplicate reaults. It will be kert's calling to decide whether to do thisdong wrote:
Is there a way you can also fetch the top50(250?) plays per selected mod? It could be very useful for calculating reading for the EZmod players, since their plays aren't going to appear anywhere else!
This Reading - Coming soon in profile makes me excited
Any estimations when it can be live?
Any estimations when it can be live?
I am waiting for this too.Scarlet Evans wrote:
This Reading - Coming soon in profile makes me excited
Any estimations when it can be live?
Dunno. Unlike the previous skills, this one is hard to pull off, but we are working on it. Just be patient.Scarlet Evans wrote:
This Reading - Coming soon in profile makes me excited
Any estimations when it can be live?
hey, I'd like to report a "bug". i hope I'm right here.
Anyway,
recently I changed my username via account support, and its also on osu.ppy.sh. But the problem is,that it isn't that way on the website. I still need to use 0Nothing0 instead of N0thing, if I type N0thing, then the american guy appears. However it still regnoices changes like my PB.
just wanted to say that
thanks for reading
N0thing
Anyway,
recently I changed my username via account support, and its also on osu.ppy.sh. But the problem is,that it isn't that way on the website. I still need to use 0Nothing0 instead of N0thing, if I type N0thing, then the american guy appears. However it still regnoices changes like my PB.
just wanted to say that
thanks for reading
N0thing
Is there any other, more accessible way to donate?
I wanted to donate, but I completely have no idea what I am asked for. There's just one option,"PayPal", after clicking which I am redirected to the page that is completely in Russian.
No option to change language or language/region detecting, completely no any other option to donate. You either [don't] give your credit informations (or whatever it's called in English) to the page in language you don't know and don't understand a single word you are asked or resign from donating. I could probably use dictionary or google translator to try guessing what I am asked for, but I take special precaution when giving my money anywhere. Especially if I was to give them either without reading terms or when I need to give my personal data somewhere blindly, without understanding a single word, even more as I never used PayPal before.
But I used other payment options in internet, like credit card, and never had problems like that. I always could pay in English / my own language, so I never really gave it a thought. Why only Russian language people can donate? Is there some kind of technical problem, preventing other people from donating? Or it would require some additional work or formalities?
I wanted to donate, but I completely have no idea what I am asked for. There's just one option,"PayPal", after clicking which I am redirected to the page that is completely in Russian.
No option to change language or language/region detecting, completely no any other option to donate. You either [don't] give your credit informations (or whatever it's called in English) to the page in language you don't know and don't understand a single word you are asked or resign from donating. I could probably use dictionary or google translator to try guessing what I am asked for, but I take special precaution when giving my money anywhere. Especially if I was to give them either without reading terms or when I need to give my personal data somewhere blindly, without understanding a single word, even more as I never used PayPal before.
But I used other payment options in internet, like credit card, and never had problems like that. I always could pay in English / my own language, so I never really gave it a thought. Why only Russian language people can donate? Is there some kind of technical problem, preventing other people from donating? Or it would require some additional work or formalities?
Scarlet Evans wrote:
Is there any other, more accessible way to donate?
I wanted to donate, but I completely have no idea what I am asked for. There's just one option,"PayPal", after clicking which I am redirected to the page that is completely in Russian.
No option to change language or language/region detecting, completely no any other option to donate. You either [don't] give your credit informations (or whatever it's called in English) to the page in language you don't know and don't understand a single word you are asked or resign from donating. I could probably use dictionary or google translator to try guessing what I am asked for, but I take special precaution when giving my money anywhere. Especially if I was to give them either without reading terms or when I need to give my personal data somewhere blindly, without understanding a single word, even more as I never used PayPal before.
But I used other payment options in internet, like credit card, and never had problems like that. I always could pay in English / my own language, so I never really gave it a thought. Why only Russian language people can donate? Is there some kind of technical problem, preventing other people from donating? Or it would require some additional work or formalities?
First time seeing this.
Did you try to change the language manually?
maybe that works, if not you can ask for help on the help forum https://osu.ppy.sh/forum/5
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Fixed. Try and see if it works for you nowIceclaw12 wrote:
Hey! I love your website but I just have one "complaint" I suppose you could call it (gosh I'm rude). On a computer when you hover over the "rankings" menu item, there is a drop down from where you can select a ranking method(?). When using the site on a mobile device however, you can't use the dropdown at all. Just thought I'd let you know in case you didn't know already. Thanks
Changed language to English. Thank you for your generosity!Scarlet Evans wrote:
Is there any other, more accessible way to donate?
I wanted to donate, but I completely have no idea what I am asked for. There's just one option,"PayPal", after clicking which I am redirected to the page that is completely in Russian
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osu! help sub-forum is for official osu! game/forum/account/wiki problems.[ Shina0Neko ] wrote:
maybe that works, if not you can ask for help on the help forum https://osu.ppy.sh/forum/5
You should not ask questions about osu!Skills there because we're not official
Wow what an edge case here. Fixed for your accountN0thing wrote:
recently I changed my username via account support, and its also on osu.ppy.sh. But the problem is,that it isn't that way on the website. I still need to use 0Nothing0 instead of N0thing, if I type N0thing, then the american guy appears. However it still regnoices changes like my PB.
+1 agility? :O ... how it is calculated?
Simply put, the further the notes and the faster you need to hit them, the bigger is the agility.Chekito wrote:
+1 agility? :O ... how it is calculated?
I'm having a strange problem. My top100 plays don't appear to be updating but whenever I get a new topPP it updates. Recently I got 2 FL plays on 3 star maps (one was HRHDFL) that were both leader boards and they have not updated in memory, but I got several HR plays in my topPP recently and they all show up. Any ideas why?
If you read the thread you would know that top100 updates once a week(sunday) and your topplays update up to twice per day on request(or smth similar).
Also Kert, Reading, when?
Personally I deem this as rather useless as long as reading isn't out as the existing ones aren't polished yet.
Also Kert, Reading, when?
Personally I deem this as rather useless as long as reading isn't out as the existing ones aren't polished yet.
I think the idea interesting, but what are numbers? Numbers always needs something to compare with - So the question is simply: Is a stamina value of 304 is a good one? I know my stamina is bad, but i miss simething to compare with or to say "There is a goal i can work on"
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How do you compare PP numbers? Check other players!
pretty neat, devs!
i hope to see even more features for osu!Skills :3
i hope to see even more features for osu!Skills :3
How soon are badges and the reading score? Soon^tm?
any possibility of a graph showing the increase of our stats? (think like the rank graph we have on our profile, or the graphs on ameobas site)
while im at it, a way to see what rank a person is on their individual stats (ie, if i look up myself, i should be able to see what rank i have in all of the 5-6 stats available right on the profile page)
while im at it, a way to see what rank a person is on their individual stats (ie, if i look up myself, i should be able to see what rank i have in all of the 5-6 stats available right on the profile page)
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When it's doneawesomespace wrote:
How soon are badges and the reading score? Soon^tm?
It's planned.Tachibana wrote:
any possibility of a graph showing the increase of our stats? (think like the rank graph we have on our profile, or the graphs on ameobas site)
I have a top 50 FL play that doesn't show in my "Memory" category. Is this supposed to happen?
If it's worth no memory-points, yes. Based on the fact that this map uses 0.7SV and 1.0 DS at 184bpm there's probably no memory involved in FCing with HDDTHRFL
Ah, I see. What a pity. Although I can assure you that there was definitely some memorization on my part, it wasn't all sightreading.
Just because you did memorize parts doesn't mean that memorization is necessary to SS the map with the mods used.
I just checked the map and it is absolutely SS-able on sightread, nothing you have to memorize if you have good reading on AR7.25 with HD.
(FC'd with HDHRFL second try and DT doesn't influence readability on FL)
I just checked the map and it is absolutely SS-able on sightread, nothing you have to memorize if you have good reading on AR7.25 with HD.
(FC'd with HDHRFL second try and DT doesn't influence readability on FL)
Understood. Well, I guess I have to come up with something harder to FL then.
One of my "top" accuracy plays is some 48% acc nf score on a 7 star map http://osuskills.tk/user/Wiz%20Khalifa/skill/accuracy http://i.imgur.com/saGNrHT.png
I'm dying from laughter.Wiz Khalifa wrote:
One of my "top" accuracy plays is some 48% acc nf score on a 7 star map http://osuskills.tk/user/Wiz%20Khalifa/skill/accuracy http://i.imgur.com/saGNrHT.png
Way to go, Kert.
That rating literally invalidates any other accuracy-rating as accuracy doesn't seem to scale with OD only but also with star difficulty in some way while disregarding the achieved accuracy which is entirely wrong.
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The algorithm just flipped over for a way too low accuracy haha
Will be fixed today I think
Fixed but will be released along with badges
Fixed but will be released along with badges
I think algorithm for tenacity / stamina is wrong. Just looked up Cookiezi's stats, and scores like image material, time freeze, both four dimension plays - all of them extremely heavy on streaming / stamina, and all of them are much lower than some other random plays in their respective stats.
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Today we release player title badges!
Title is a short summary of your best skills.
You can have up to 3 titles so far. First one is defined by your Stamina, Tenacity, Agility, Accuracy skills.
Second one is defined by Precision, Memory, Reading.
Third title is a special one
Example:
If you're good at Stamina and Tenacity you get >title name1< here. If you're good at Tenacity only you get >another title name< here.
There is a total of 27 titles currently.
We'll probably make an infographic at some point later to better explain what is this concept about.
Super silly accuracy calculation bug was also fixed.
Title is a short summary of your best skills.
You can have up to 3 titles so far. First one is defined by your Stamina, Tenacity, Agility, Accuracy skills.
Second one is defined by Precision, Memory, Reading.
Third title is a special one
Example:
If you're good at Stamina and Tenacity you get >title name1< here. If you're good at Tenacity only you get >another title name< here.
There is a total of 27 titles currently.
We'll probably make an infographic at some point later to better explain what is this concept about.
Super silly accuracy calculation bug was also fixed.
woohoo
still waiting for reading skills though
still waiting for reading skills though
Just to notify of a typo, Alumetorz has a title of "Spiritied" which I assume is supposed to say "Spirited"
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Blame my inattentiveness
Thanks! Fixed
Thanks! Fixed
Rilene wrote:
woohoo
still waiting for reading skills though
It would be nice - even though I'm not particularly interested - if you shared the criteria for title selection.
It's hard to provide feedback on how well it works when you don't know what is even going on.
What happened to the Accuracy ranking? I was top500 like a few hours ago, now I'm at #75. I don't think I'm that accurate.
The fix for accuracy rating probably requires all scores to be recalculated.
thelewa doesn't show up in the ranking right now even though he has 789 acc-points.
Also every acc-ranking where Bikko isn't #1 must be flawed xd
thelewa doesn't show up in the ranking right now even though he has 789 acc-points.
Also every acc-ranking where Bikko isn't #1 must be flawed xd
Implementing the other gamemodes in this would be really cool <:
Separately ofc, having every mode combined would just be a clusterfuck and no one would understand anything
Separately ofc, having every mode combined would just be a clusterfuck and no one would understand anything
slowlymore2
Function Phantom - Neuronecia (Amamiya Yuko) [Ethereal] +FL (98.68%)
691
Memory — Flashlight performance
DJ Mars - Lemon Tree (MetalMario201) [Hard] +HDHRFL (94.52%)
909
why
691
Memory — Flashlight performance
DJ Mars - Lemon Tree (MetalMario201) [Hard] +HDHRFL (94.52%)
909
why
Quick question - What do the things like Beserk and Swift mean?
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Twice a day at max.slowlymore2 wrote:
How often is it possible to update your page on the site? Just wondering because I set a new reasonably high pp play with terrible acc and wanted to see how it will impact my stats <3
I'll answer this kind of question one time :p20Below wrote:
Quick question - What do the things like Berserk and Swift mean?
Swift is for players who are best at Agility (in comparison with their other skills)
Berserk is for those who are good at Stamina, Agililty, Tenacity BUT not Accuracy
I'm very disappointed with the accuracy calculation... it lists me as berserk but my global acc is above 99%. Please reconsider some stuff in that formula!
Nice update, but you need to show the meaning of every title in the site :p
also what means Adventurous?
also what means Adventurous?
Let's get the reading skill done first, k?Midnaait wrote:
Any news for the rest of the gamemodes?
So is there a summary for titles? Like what does Berserk mean for this?
Come on, man... Berserk specifically was mentioned in the previous page.KrazyKaito wrote:
So is there a summary for titles? Like what does Berserk mean for this?
it calculate od of songs that you play, not overall accuracy that you haveemanfman wrote:
I'm very disappointed with the accuracy calculation... it lists me as berserk but my global acc is above 99%. Please reconsider some stuff in that formula!
you can farm accuracy at od0 map and have 100% overall accuracy, but it doesn't mean, that you good at acc
So far the titles I have found are:
ambitious
spirited
sage
perceptive
adventurous
sharpshooter
versatile
berserk
swift
volatile
pirate
frantic
sturdy
fearless
adamant
volcanic
furious
and special title i think - developer
Total of 18, so according to Kert, 9 are still unknown to me, has anyone found something?
ambitious
spirited
sage
perceptive
adventurous
sharpshooter
versatile
berserk
swift
volatile
pirate
frantic
sturdy
fearless
adamant
volcanic
furious
and special title i think - developer
Total of 18, so according to Kert, 9 are still unknown to me, has anyone found something?
Hmm... maybe some titles can't be seen yet, because nobody has them? I don't know, I'm just speculating. I'll keep searching though. So far, I can't find anything different than the list above me.
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Wow that's some good research out there
Keep in mind that a portion (5) of "unknown titles" are related to Reading skill
And some of your titles may transform into another ones if you read well
Keep in mind that a portion (5) of "unknown titles" are related to Reading skill
And some of your titles may transform into another ones if you read well
Neat, I got versatile. I do have a question about the scores. Take what I have in the tapping stamina category. http://osuskills.tk/user/Khelly/skill/stamina
Why is Halozy - Little Summer Party (Takos) [Lunatic] +DT (93.6%) so low on this list? This is a very hard map to actually tap at certain points - I still fail it even though I have an fc. The top 5 in this category are all stream maps. Uroboros is hard to tap, I'll give it that. But Sayonara superstar, faith for transient people, stop, and especially kimi no hitomi are complete jokes in regards to tapping. At least comparing them to Little Summer Party.
If you go to the tenacity page, Summer Party is actually much higher in placement which doesn't seem to fit in with the "stream stamina". It especially pales in comparison to maps like Voice and second darkside.
Am I missing something? Do I have these definitions wrong?
Why is Halozy - Little Summer Party (Takos) [Lunatic] +DT (93.6%) so low on this list? This is a very hard map to actually tap at certain points - I still fail it even though I have an fc. The top 5 in this category are all stream maps. Uroboros is hard to tap, I'll give it that. But Sayonara superstar, faith for transient people, stop, and especially kimi no hitomi are complete jokes in regards to tapping. At least comparing them to Little Summer Party.
If you go to the tenacity page, Summer Party is actually much higher in placement which doesn't seem to fit in with the "stream stamina". It especially pales in comparison to maps like Voice and second darkside.
Am I missing something? Do I have these definitions wrong?
Here is what I came up with. The "x" symbol represents unknown titles that exist for sure. Where "x" stands i think it's very unlikely to see a player with that title, because stamina and tenacity are very similar, it's almost impossible to find someone who has a lot of stamina but no tenacity & vice versa. The total number of titles + possible titles in this list is 25, so I am missing 2. The ones which are in italic and have a "?" are a bit questionable, probably not what they represent(correct me plz). Can't think of anything else =/
STAMINA/TENACITY/AGILITY/ACCURACY
swift - agility
perceptive - accuracy
x - tenacity
x - stamina
sturdy - accuracy + stamina
volcanic - stamina+tenacity
spirited - agility+accuracy
adventurous - tenacity + agility
furious - agility + stamina ?
adamant - tenacity + accuracy ?
berserk - agility+stamina+tenacity
volatile - agility + tenacity + accuracy
fearless - accuracy+stamina+tenacity
frantic - agility+stamina+acc ?
versatile - balanced ?
ambitious - balanced but weaker ?
MEMORY/PRECISION/READING
sage - memory
sharpshooter - precision
pirate - memory + precision
+5 unknown, yet to be seen after reading skill implementation
SPECIAL
developer
STAMINA/TENACITY/AGILITY/ACCURACY
swift - agility
perceptive - accuracy
x - tenacity
x - stamina
sturdy - accuracy + stamina
volcanic - stamina+tenacity
spirited - agility+accuracy
adventurous - tenacity + agility
furious - agility + stamina ?
adamant - tenacity + accuracy ?
berserk - agility+stamina+tenacity
volatile - agility + tenacity + accuracy
fearless - accuracy+stamina+tenacity
frantic - agility+stamina+acc ?
versatile - balanced ?
ambitious - balanced but weaker ?
MEMORY/PRECISION/READING
sage - memory
sharpshooter - precision
pirate - memory + precision
+5 unknown, yet to be seen after reading skill implementation
SPECIAL
developer
Damn, you sure have given this a lot of thought! Very detailed list.
Something bugs me though. There are people, who are "Versatile Pirate". If I go by your table, that must mean that they are balanced players, who excel in memory and precision. However, their table shows that precision is actually their least developed skill. Here is an example: http://osuskills.tk/user/BluOxy
Now, I don't have a problem with your definition of "versatile", but I think "pirate" must mean something else.
Something bugs me though. There are people, who are "Versatile Pirate". If I go by your table, that must mean that they are balanced players, who excel in memory and precision. However, their table shows that precision is actually their least developed skill. Here is an example: http://osuskills.tk/user/BluOxy
Now, I don't have a problem with your definition of "versatile", but I think "pirate" must mean something else.
I think versatile is based on just having a certain number of stats near in value because my precision, accuracy, and memory aren't nearly up there to be considered equal.
I don't think Memory is taken into account for "Versatile". I've seen people with 0 Memory who have that title.
Wow you took this seriously and we appreciate your effort! Out of all of these, most are spot on. You are also missing several, so good luck hunting for the rest!Defacer wrote:
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The wrong one just has to be frantic! I couldn't find the one guy who had it and I just slapped it on a random combination that was left unused. Also I am wondering if there are existing players with the missing titles, they have to be extremely rare. For information, of all the players that I checked, only 1 had the title frantic.abraker wrote:
Wow you took this seriously and we appreciate your effort! Out of all of these, there is something wrong. You are also missing several, so good luck hunting for the rest!Defacer wrote:
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As for the the versatile pirate thing. First title is calculated based on stamina/tenacity/accuracy/agility, second title on the rest and they have no connection between and that's why you can have both. Of course there is a third title, but that's extremely exclusive haha.
Just noticed that Taiwan is called as a province of China here, this really is something we don't like tbh
Taiwan hasn't officially drclared Independence from china as they are really just a rebelling province of the prc.
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Let's not talk politics here.
I just got it from some site with the list of countries and their abbreviations
Wikipedia doesn't mention this wording anywhere so I'll change it to just Taiwan.
I just got it from some site with the list of countries and their abbreviations
Wikipedia doesn't mention this wording anywhere so I'll change it to just Taiwan.
Bug on memory skills..?
Lybydose : TERRA - Dance Dance Revolution NON STOP MEGAMIX (James) [Marathon] +FL (98.93%) 778
thregium : TERRA - Dance Dance Revolution NON STOP MEGAMIX (James) [Marathon] +HTFL (96.9%) 1012
Lybydose : TERRA - Dance Dance Revolution NON STOP MEGAMIX (James) [Marathon] +FL (98.93%) 778
thregium : TERRA - Dance Dance Revolution NON STOP MEGAMIX (James) [Marathon] +HTFL (96.9%) 1012
Topic Starter
Do you have a FC? Because Lybydose doesn't
I think playstyles should account in someway, I don't have an idea yet, but you should incorporate playstyles.
can is ask in which rate the top 100 plays for a profile updates ?
top 100 per map update every weekazer467 wrote:
can is ask in which rate the top 100 plays for a profile updates ?
Uhmm, this doesn't look right. Both are FCs, so why is the easier version worth more points?!
Topic Starter
There's more parts (sheer amount of) in that Normal when combos are spaced apart?
Hello, is it possible to have an ETA for when the title infographic will come out? Even though people already did some research and explained them to some extent, it would still be nice to have official info that's 100% real. Even if some of the titles aren't obtainable yet due to reading skills not being released, you could add the ones that are obtainable at the moment.
XD let them work on the reading stuff. The inforgraphic will come out when everything's ready. I know it wouldn't take long to make it, but I think it's more interesting this way, people are researching, excited, and using their app. We all are winning for now. Just imagine how cool it will be when all the information about the titles, the true information, is officially released... It will be awesome to compare what we found out with what is real