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Railey2
515 posts
Joined February 2015
Railey2

Green Platinum wrote:

It's hypocritical to storm out in outraged protest only to return when nothing has changed and the outrage dies down.
Aurani didn't leave to "make a point". I think he knows full well how ridiculous that would be. Peppy doesn't care about "points", so that would render Auranis efforts useless and him a fool.

The only reason hes been posting there and not here is because there is barely anything going on here. (he also didn't post in my threads or responded to anything I did! :c )

Since he is free of the restraints that people with points have if they don't want to lose their integrity, he can just post wherever he wants - until the forum-design changes. When that happens, you can expect him to never post here again.. to our great dismay.

Until then, we can all take a bath in his ego that is flooding every thread he ever posted in.


And if he ever posts here again when the design finally changed, we can all point our fingers at him and yell: See, someone changed his opinion even though he's been really vocal about it! This is a bad thing! So bad, badly bad!


Seriously though, I cant say that I dislike the new design. I genuinely think that most people who complained about it are victims of the status-quo bias.
Aurani
762 posts
Joined January 2013
Aurani
What do you mean "he also didn't post in my threads or responded to anything I did!"? Give me some examples, else I call bullshit. :p

Also, it would be good if you came over to Tuuba when you feel like discussing something, as you're probably the last person here I genuinely can have a conversation with (and that's the sole reason I frequent Tuuba more than Osu nowadays - everyone who mattered is now posting over there).
Don't be a mongrel, you mongrel. :V
Shohei Ohtani
Shohei Ohtani


reading the comments on this video gives me great joy
Wlesh
27 posts
Joined November 2013
Wlesh

Umaru Umaru Umaru Umaru Umaru Kumaru Kappa Keepo umaru chahaan
dNextGen
4,688 posts
Joined May 2010
dNextGen

Static Noise Bird wrote:

dNextGen wrote:

tfw one year closer to death

Happy birth man.
thank fam
Zelda
5 posts
Joined June 2012
Zelda

Static Noise Bird wrote:

dNextGen wrote:

tfw one year closer to death

Happy birth man.
this tbh
Lust
osu! Alumni
2,667 posts
Joined January 2013
Lust
so whens old avatar week
Zelda
5 posts
Joined June 2012
Zelda
shit nigga I can't even change my avatar because osu wants me to verify that I'm me and I forgot the name of the email address I used to make this account
oopsie
Birdy
5,753 posts
Joined April 2011
Birdy

Lust wrote:

so whens old avatar week
this
silmarilen
5,582 posts
Joined February 2010
silmarilen
old avatar week is always the last/first week of the year, so 3 more weeks.
DeletedUser_4041880
DeletedUser_4041880


Hi
TaylorSwift
9 posts
Joined July 2013
TaylorSwift
cuz baby now we get bad blood.


Stay stay stay

loving him was like driving a new maseratti .....
UnderminE
osu! Alumni
4,011 posts
Joined August 2010
UnderminE

Static Noise Bird wrote:

Lust wrote:

so whens old avatar week
this
oh I know that girl on your avatar
Birdy
5,753 posts
Joined April 2011
Birdy

UnderminE wrote:

oh I know that girl on your avatar
I know she's turkish so that wouldn't surprise me too much
Kappa FrankerZ
3 posts
Joined June 2013
Kappa FrankerZ
morning all
Shohei Ohtani
Shohei Ohtani
God, I've failed in everything I've tried to do

I came into college with the school expecting that I'd be a great tubist who was well liked by the school, with a lot of friends, and not wishing daily that I could be murdered. But it's not really like that. I'm literally at risk of being kicked out of the tuba studio because I've fallen so far behind, a lot of my friends are with me mostly because I have money or they think I'm autistic or something, or because they just enjoy making fun of me for various things. And every day, I'm either sitting in the back of class, on my phone because I've stopped giving a shit, or dozing out and getting yelled at for not paying attention.

I kind of used osu! as a way of calming down that sense of insuperiority, but every since about 2 years ago, I haven't even been able to feel that. I'm constantly ridiculed here even though I'm quite possibly one of the few people who even care about advancing this game in a positive direction, that is both positive for the community and mappers. I've been literally having break over barrier after barrier to try to achieve anything in this game, one of the last things I can say I'm legitimately passionate about, but either life takes me away from here, or corrupt moderation keeps me from achievement, since they know I'm a threat to everything they stand for. And it's not like I've even had much success with my mapping in the first place. Everything is "too outdated" and "not good enough", when I've put so much thought into the theory of how I map, that it's almost like a waste.

Just once, I'd like to feel like I'd accomplished something, you know. I'd like to be able to wake up and be like "yeah, sure, life may suck, but at least I've accomplished this one life goal"

Because after a few years, it starts to get to you. You start realizing that there's a reason you haven't accomplished anything. And it's not that I haven't worked hard enough, or that I'm not passionate enough, but rather because some people just aren't meant to be anything.
B1rd
2,974 posts
Joined December 2013
B1rd
Nice avatar. Cool guy tbh

SPOILER

And I feel the same way about things, but I think that even if you don't accomplish much it's best not to give up. Be realistic about your goals, and allow yourself breaks, just make sure to keep picking yourself back up. And about osu!, I think it's a lost cause. You should come to Tuuba instead. http://forum.tuuba.moe/index.php
-sev
875 posts
Joined February 2014
-sev
Smooth
Zelda
5 posts
Joined June 2012
Zelda
Hey I used to know the artist of that character.
She's batshit fucking insane.
Birdy
5,753 posts
Joined April 2011
Birdy
Hey, I wanted to push this game forward too. Then the whole "Loctav - Desperate-kun - Mao" dynamic trio happened.

It's soon half a year from my last in-game visit. I couldn't do this anymore.
BrokenArrow
2,236 posts
Joined June 2010
BrokenArrow
German dictators ruining the things we love since 1933
Birdy
5,753 posts
Joined April 2011
Birdy

Static Noise Bird wrote:

It's soon half a year from my last in-game visit.
And now it says "about 2 hours ago" on my profile. Who can I blame for this?
Shohei Ohtani
Shohei Ohtani
Pretty much things went to shit once peppy started trusting loctav with too much, and he got ephemeral on his side and convinced p3n and ztrot to take much less major roles

Once he took out the elites, it was all downhill

I was able to get some good stuff by pointing out stuff to peppy and having him deal with shit, but it seems to have regressed back to where it once was, lol
The Gambler
1,307 posts
Joined September 2013
The Gambler
I just got myself a new fountain pen; a Pilot Metropolitan. Now I find joy in taking notes again.

Not the notes themselves however. And damn these ink cartridges are small...
Railey2
515 posts
Joined February 2015
Railey2

Reditum wrote:

Is my time over? Only in 6 short years? I feel like I've wasted my entire time, when I could have been something so great, I fell below the expectations of everyone around me and have ended a failure. Now as a new generation enters the game, I can't help but feel isolated every time I log on. I want to talk to people, but those whom used to give me solace have now moved on. I guess it's time for me to move on too. To become a silent observer rather than an active participant. I guess I had fun while I was here, but I guess the old have to leave and the new have to take over.
Is my time over? Only in 6 short years? I feel like I've wasted my entire time, but looking back, I contributed a lot to the game and peoples enjoyment of it by creating countless beatmaps that people still like to play and have fun with. 24 of them even got ranked, 15 of which have a rating better than 9,0. Now as a new generation enters the game, I can't help but feel isolated every time I log on. I want to talk to people, but those whom used to give me solace have now moved on. I suppose it is unfortunate that most people leave after some time, either because they don't enjoy the game anymore, can't support it for other reasons, or their private lives changed which doesn't allow them to continue playing. On the other hand, there is a steady influx of new players to whom I could talk and relate to. I could guide them and introduce them to parts of the game that they have not seen yet. Old friends are lost, new friends are made. People keep changing, but the joy that comes from being in company with people that share both my passion for music and this game, never subsides.


Reditum when did you get so pessimistic? If you want to talk to people, talk to them. People are everywhere in this game. Just because they are new doesn't mean that they are stupid or that you could never have a conversation with them. Or that they couldn't give you solace. You started out new and talked to older players too, at some point. If you lost what you had, get it once again. If you say that this can not be done, you are just lying to yourself. There is always new fun to be had if theres a sufficient number of people around. It turns out theres lots of people around here.
kirueggy
1,196 posts
Joined April 2014
kirueggy
See I would've posted something about COOKIEZI FUCKING RETURNING HOLY but instead of being oblivious I decided to scour this subforum and the others for already existing "welcome back lgnd" posts and what do you know, I live to shitpost another day
abraker
Global Moderator
8,353 posts
Joined July 2014
abraker

kirueggy wrote:

See I would've posted something about COOKIEZI FUCKING RETURNING HOLY but instead of being oblivious I decided to scour this subforum and the others for already existing "welcome back lgnd" posts and what do you know, I live to shitpost another day
#BETTERSHITPOSTINGSOMEDAY
Bweh
486 posts
Joined September 2012
Bweh
I like to think that the presences of an osu! subreddit, twitch streams, and IRC chatrooms allow for much of the shitposting to be subverted, much like a floodgate.
A Medic
460 posts
Joined May 2013
A Medic

The Gambler wrote:

I just got myself a new fountain pen; a Pilot Metropolitan. Now I find joy in taking notes again.
Not the notes themselves however. And damn these ink cartridges are small...


Nice stuff, pilot makes some pretty damn awesome pens i'm glad you like it.
The Gambler
1,307 posts
Joined September 2013
The Gambler

A Medic wrote:

Nice stuff, pilot makes some pretty damn awesome pens i'm glad you like it.
Now I'm looking for certain ink bottles that don't cost $40 CAD a pop. Pilot ink is stupidly expensive, but look super legit.
Here's what I want, and what my stationery store (not Staples) offers.

FuZ
363 posts
Joined January 2011
FuZ
What's the point of having a 50$ MLG pen/ink instead of a regular 1$ pen
The Gambler
1,307 posts
Joined September 2013
The Gambler

FuZ wrote:

What's the point of having a MLG 50$ pen/ink instead of a regular 1$ pen
This pen writes very smoothly, glasslike almost. You won't need a lot of pressure in your hand to get the ink out, compared to cheapo ballpoints. Gel pens may come close, but I can perceive the difference in writing performance between both pens.

This pen is also $15 US/$20 CAD, which I think is awesome value, compared to most pens that are $50-$60 US, while managing to feel like a $50-$60 pen. The flexibility of ink choices (despite being priced rather steeply) is also nice addition for a pen.

It's like a rubberdome vs. mechanical and HDD vs. SSD kind of comparison. I've used fountain pens before buying this, and I can never go back to plain ballpoints if I had a choice between those two pens.

The ink though, IMO, is stupidly expensive.
FuZ
363 posts
Joined January 2011
FuZ

The Gambler wrote:

This pen is also $15 US/$20 CAD, which I think is awesome value, compared to most pens that are $50-$60 US, while managing to feel like a $50-$60 pen.
Oh yeah didn't see the price before posting, i though the pen would be more expensive than the ink, but 15$ is ok i guess. The price of the ink is stupid tho
The Gambler
1,307 posts
Joined September 2013
The Gambler

FuZ wrote:

The Gambler wrote:

This pen is also $15 US/$20 CAD, which I think is awesome value, compared to most pens that are $50-$60 US, while managing to feel like a $50-$60 pen.
Oh yeah didn't see the price before posting, i though the pen would be more expensive than the ink, but 15$ is ok i guess. The price of the ink is stupid tho
Apparently it's cheaper than buying cartridges over the long run, some may say. I wouldn't quite know how true that statement is unless I do a bit of math.

I do know however, I burned through half my ink cartridge already in the past two days. I think I see where people's warnings are coming from.
thelewa
3,537 posts
Joined August 2010
thelewa
you're all a bunch of wienerlords
Bweh
486 posts
Joined September 2012
Bweh
no
thelewa
3,537 posts
Joined August 2010
thelewa
Kappa FrankerZ
3 posts
Joined June 2013
Kappa FrankerZ
abraker
Global Moderator
8,353 posts
Joined July 2014
abraker

Kappa FrankerZ wrote:

Is that a bitch?
The Gambler
1,307 posts
Joined September 2013
The Gambler
So yeah, the mania controller I made somehow made it to the bemani groups and just had to bash it. To be fair it was all in jest, but the turntable really has no place in osu...
puccithecat
166 posts
Joined March 2015
puccithecat

Kappa FrankerZ wrote:

is that your dog??

OT: will you make the mania controller? i mean like you know carpenter your mania controller o3o
instead of drawing it or something
The Gambler
1,307 posts
Joined September 2013
The Gambler

puccithecat wrote:

OT: will you make the mania controller? i mean like you know carpenter your mania controller o3o
instead of drawing it or something
Give me a laser cutter, 1/4" thick acrylic sheets and a legit subscription of Solidworks and maybe I can get something started.
DeletedUser_3905941
DeletedUser_3905941

The Gambler wrote:

So yeah, the mania controller I made somehow made it to the bemani groups and just had to bash it. To be fair it was all in jest, but the turntable really has no place in osu...
mania controller? like a 2dx setup?
post pics so I can bash it
The Gambler
1,307 posts
Joined September 2013
The Gambler
In the Art Forums. In "Post your Artwork"
Bweh
486 posts
Joined September 2012
Bweh
I'm sorry to hear that
abraker
Global Moderator
8,353 posts
Joined July 2014
abraker
Took another snapshot of my rank graph. To the cry babies that are whining, asking how to get better, this is what you call little to no improvement and yet I still play. I don't play for the rank anymore, that dream is dead since winter when I hit the wall, but play for fun. Once in a while you will get something. Like to day I climbed 51 ranks by S'ing a map. Maybe someday something will click in my brain and I will be able to do 7k noodles. Until then, #5000 rank here I come!

Railey2
515 posts
Joined February 2015
Railey2
thats scary to see.

Good thing that its mania and not standard, so at least I dont have to fear THAT wall.
Friendan
229 posts
Joined April 2014
Friendan
Did everyone die since I was gone?
abraker
Global Moderator
8,353 posts
Joined July 2014
abraker

Friendan wrote:

Did everyone die since I was gone?
nah, we are just a bit hungover from the OWC party
Shohei Ohtani
Shohei Ohtani

Friendan wrote:

Did everyone die since I was gone?
i wish i was dead but i don't have the balls to kill myself.
Hika
1,553 posts
Joined February 2010
Hika
whoa dude, lets clam down here
Chokladboll
190 posts
Joined November 2012
Chokladboll
how are you guys doing?
semaphore
947 posts
Joined April 2015
semaphore
OH OH OHOH MY GOD GOD GUYS I JUST JUST I JUST HIT A fucking BILLCAMMMMMMMM lol LE BRING MW2 Back XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
PENTA ADELIA TRIPLE NAC 1800 BOUNCE (but no eb i swear :Dxd) oN UNDERPASSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSfvdghrt4e5uyd
Mahogany
2,684 posts
Joined August 2014
Mahogany
This isn't how OT works but the effort you put into that was nice
semaphore
947 posts
Joined April 2015
semaphore

Mahogany wrote:

This isn't how OT works but the effort you put into that was nice
idk i think it works i posted straight garbage so
Mahogany
2,684 posts
Joined August 2014
Mahogany
OT is the place for quality garbage tho not just everyday run of the mill garbage

Then again it's mostly everyday garbage now anyway lmao

Anyway you'll fit in fine I think
abraker
Global Moderator
8,353 posts
Joined July 2014
abraker

Mahogany wrote:

OT is the place for quality garbage tho not just everyday run of the mill garbage

Then again it's mostly everyday garbage now anyway lmao

Anyway you'll fit in fine I think
Don't encourage tasteless quality
semaphore
947 posts
Joined April 2015
semaphore

abraker wrote:

Mahogany wrote:

OT is the place for quality garbage tho not just everyday run of the mill garbage

Then again it's mostly everyday garbage now anyway lmao

Anyway you'll fit in fine I think
Don't encourage tasteless quality
don't encourage any quality
The Gambler
1,307 posts
Joined September 2013
The Gambler
When Siri decides to become a member of ITT... This happens



Also that realization that rather than permanently solder my Teensy to my Osu! KB I could have just used it on a breadboard instead. And experiment more on a wider variety of switches.
Friendan
229 posts
Joined April 2014
Friendan
If he's right then how can he ruin everything?
Hika
1,553 posts
Joined February 2010
Hika
I turned my Siri German because no one wants to help me practice.
thelewa
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Joined August 2010
thelewa
Friendan
229 posts
Joined April 2014
Friendan
Railey2
515 posts
Joined February 2015
Railey2

Hika wrote:

I turned my Siri German because no one wants to help me practice.
Hallo, Freund. Wie geht es dir? Mir geht es gut!
Aurani
762 posts
Joined January 2013
Aurani
Me no Third Reichy.
Birdy
5,753 posts
Joined April 2011
Birdy
No hablo ingles.
Friendan
229 posts
Joined April 2014
Friendan
Il y a un oiseau dans mon pantalon qui s'appelle Gaston
Railey2
515 posts
Joined February 2015
Railey2

Friendan wrote:

Il y a un oiseau dans mon pantalon qui s'appelle Gaston

Friendan wrote:

Il y a un oiseau dans mon pant...

Friendan wrote:

Il y a un oi...

Friendan wrote:

Il y a.........

Friendan wrote:

Ilya.

ILLYA


pijqröoijöaoeihjföioshptzhqpohspoafhpaoöfnqoifhaofh

SPOILER

http://loli.dance/
http://loli.dance/
http://loli.dance/
http://loli.dance/
http://loli.dance/
http://loli.dance/
Hika
1,553 posts
Joined February 2010
Hika
is nice
Aurani
762 posts
Joined January 2013
Aurani
Illya is an incredibly good source of plot cannon fodder! I personally prefer her F/SN death, as it's got more faux tragedy in it and well, my waifu Gil is directly involved in it.

Death to the overrated shit loli.
Mahogany
2,684 posts
Joined August 2014
Mahogany

Railey2 wrote:

Hika wrote:

I turned my Siri German because no one wants to help me practice.
Hallo, Freund. Wie geht es dir? Mir geht es gut!
Ah, das ist wunderbar! Ich bin krank und mude :|

Also hey guys did you hear cookiezi unban
abraker
Global Moderator
8,353 posts
Joined July 2014
abraker
who?
Meah
733 posts
Joined November 2014
Meah
Mr Chu.
Yoeri
433 posts
Joined March 2012
Yoeri

Aurani wrote:

.
Thanks for the spoilers
IppE
IppE

Yoeri wrote:

Thanks for the spoilers
Your fault for not watching the only decent Fate animu when it aired.
Bweh
486 posts
Joined September 2012
Bweh

Aurani wrote:

Illya is an incredibly good source of plot cannon fodder! I personally prefer her F/SN death, as it's got more faux tragedy in it and well, my waifu Gil is directly involved in it.

Death to the overrated shit loli.
Our friendship has ended

It was nice associating with you
EneT
1,022 posts
Joined August 2014
EneT
She was hella cute in Zero tho...
Hika
1,553 posts
Joined February 2010
Hika
Brian oml I found you on Facebook by accident and I'm screaming I'm sorry my master
Railey2
515 posts
Joined February 2015
Railey2

Aurani wrote:

Illya is an incredibly good source of plot cannon fodder! I personally prefer her F/SN death, as it's got more faux tragedy in it and well, my waifu Gil is directly involved in it.

Death to the overrated shit loli.
but how can a loli be overrated I don't understand

I mean look at her dance

look

LOOK AT HER, AURANI
IppE
IppE

Railey2 wrote:

but how can a loli be overrated I don't understand

I mean look at her dance

look

LOOK AT HER, AURANI
http://chocolate.loli.dance/
kirueggy
1,196 posts
Joined April 2014
kirueggy
Motherfucker, that site for some reason isn't blocked on my school's WiFi firewall and so I had to explain to the librarian what the fuck was I looking at
EneT
1,022 posts
Joined August 2014
EneT
Little girls don't have curvaceous bodies.
IppE
IppE

kirueggy wrote:

Motherfucker, that site for some reason isn't blocked on my school's WiFi firewall and so I had to explain to the librarian what the fuck was I looking at
Can you not read the url and do a little thinking on what it might contain?
Aurani
762 posts
Joined January 2013
Aurani

Brian OA wrote:

Our friendship has ended

It was nice associating with you
Wait, we were friends? When? How? Where?

I'm going to Hell for this, but who the fuck cares, as long as it's Illya. =D
Here we see why Illya loved her dad so much.

Shohei Ohtani
Shohei Ohtani
>People complaining that the reason there's a cap is because the QATs are overworked and there is not enough people to look at all of the maps in qualified
>4+ people removed from the team in the past few months
>1 person added
>"hurr durr how do we solve this issue"
>"Can't add more people because we can't overwork the QATs"
>"If only we had more QATs"

Fuck I'm not looking forward to the winter break, because that means more free time, and more free time means more time on osu!, and more time on osu! means getting mad that the management literally has no clue how to efficiently manage anything past an "in-crowd" that promotes regional circlejerking lmao
Railey2
515 posts
Joined February 2015
Railey2
be the QAT you want to see
Shohei Ohtani
Shohei Ohtani
I would but even if i started modding again and rejoined the BN, the QAT is specifically crafted to be filled with yesmen, which is why people like captin1 had a rough time in it while people like Lust thrived in it.

Its literally designed so that everyone in there has the same opinion. Which is great for approving maps consistently, but instead of that opinion being the community opinion, its generally loctavs opinion.

And the people are hand selected to be submissive and have the same homogenized opinion. Ive had such a rough time with talking with some QATs bedause any complaint i had was turned into "yeah but you guys arent staff so it isnt important" or "its what loctav says so thats what i believe"

So i wouldnt be let in even if i re-claimed mt position on top of the BN ranking
YawaH
83 posts
Joined November 2015
YawaH
uhhh...... merry christmas?
SaigonAlice
32 posts
Joined March 2013
SaigonAlice

slandotski wrote:

uhhh...... merry christmas?
its the 18th you fool. you dunce. you numbskull.
Vuelo Eluko
5,484 posts
Joined October 2013
Vuelo Eluko
after what happened to maps like yes we cant - wh and the roller coaster of fuck that was time freeze's ranking process ive come to believe QAT's in general do nothing but harm to the ranking process.
Mahogany
2,684 posts
Joined August 2014
Mahogany
I think the whole staff and ranking system is seriously fucked I mean the fact that certain mappers can say an outright "no" to almost all of a QAT's suggested improvements after a DQ and then the map gets rebubbled and ranked with no issue

Meanwhile other maps can get disqualified 6 times and you'd seriously expect all the issues to be caught within the first 1-3 disqualifications because QATs are supposed to be professional mappers >_>
Vuelo Eluko
5,484 posts
Joined October 2013
Vuelo Eluko

Mahogany wrote:

I think the whole staff and ranking system is seriously fucked I mean the fact that certain mappers can say an outright "no" to almost all of a QAT's suggested improvements after a DQ and then the map gets rebubbled and ranked with no issue
every mapper should be able to do this and it should happen all the time until the ones that habitually unrank shit realize their garbo opinions are unwanted and quit

VERY rarely is it warranted. the last time i can remember an unranking being fair was probably when that ridiculous koigokoro map got taken down.. it was a piece of shit on every level. i dont even care that i lost my 197pp play on it. im surprised it got unranked for the background and not the horrible mapping though.

then again im biased, i think cs3 should be unrankable.
Sayori-kun
32 posts
Joined September 2013
Sayori-kun

EneT wrote:

Little girls don't have curvaceous bodies.
B1rd
2,974 posts
Joined December 2013
B1rd
QAT think that they're hot shit and that their opinions should be law. Only a few mappers like Hollow Wings have been able to beat them.
Friendan
229 posts
Joined April 2014
Friendan

Aurani wrote:

I'm going to Hell for this, but who the fuck cares, as long as it's Illya. =D
Here we see why Illya loved her dad so much.
I thought you hated lolis? Did I miss something or I am just remembering wrong?

xxjesus1412fanx wrote:

the last time i can remember an unranking being fair was probably when that ridiculous koigokoro map got taken down..
If you're talking about Luerxa's version that one is still up, still gives a bunch of pp, still is garboge
Aurani
762 posts
Joined January 2013
Aurani
But I displayed nothing BUT hatred towards Illya in that post... I mean I pretty much pulled a scene out of context where Illya compares Berserker's dick to her father's. Can't get any worse than that.
Railey2
515 posts
Joined February 2015
Railey2
I think what is truly wrong with the whole QAT vs. mappers thing is, that everyone here seems to accept the premise that it has to be "vs."

The ranking-process should not be about pushing your will through against QATs, but about reaching a compromise. The compromise should be based on the understanding that opinions on quality differ, but that the conjoint effort of both QATs and mappers will lead to a better result in most cases. The same should be true from the QATs perspective: They shouldn't just force their opinions on the mappers, but act with the aforementioned idea in mind.

I've seen people antagonize the QATs everywhere, and who knows in some cases they might have been justified in doing so. Maybe some QATs are biased and unfair towards certain mappers. However, I know for sure that many mappers have publicly been proper assholes towards QATs and their work, calling them corrupt, twisted and whatnot. I refuse to believe that the QAT is a community made of children that are on an embarrassing power-trip together, who deserve treatment like that.

Maybe stop introducing and then fortifying the idea that it has to be an "us vs. them". If you do that consistently, they will eventually adopt the idea and act accordingly. Stop making up sides like this is a battle or a war.

Instead, just treat them like people and give credit to them for the work that they are doing instead of acting all up-stuck and self-righteous. Because THAT certainly isn't helping. It just makes you a pain to deal with.

People are a lot more willing to make a compromise if you are nice to them. I hope, in the end we just all want to contribute to this game in one way or another.
Mahogany
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Mahogany
I know members of the QAT only have good intentions, but the system is still deeply flawed. I'd say anyone would have a right to get annoyed and angry if their map got disqualified 6 times, and their reactions would be totally justified. QATs are supposed to be professionals, and they should catch all the issues preventing ranking within 1 or two DQs, and not take 6!

And, in my opinion, it's pretty bullshit that certain mappers can outright refuse to change quite a few things that a QAT has told them to, and get the map ranked anyway. Shouldn't QATs only be disqualifying maps if there's actually a problem that needs to be fixed, and not something they're willing to let slide when pressed?
-sev
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Joined February 2014
-sev

Railey2 wrote:

Instead, just treat them like people
That is not how shit gets done in this world
Railey2
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Joined February 2015
Railey2

Mahogany wrote:

I know members of the QAT only have good intentions, but the system is still deeply flawed. I'd say anyone would have a right to get annoyed and angry if their map got disqualified 6 times, and their reactions would be totally justified. QATs are supposed to be professionals, and they should catch all the issues preventing ranking within 1 or two DQs, and not take 6!

And, in my opinion, it's pretty bullshit that certain mappers can outright refuse to change quite a few things that a QAT has told them to, and get the map ranked anyway. Shouldn't QATs only be disqualifying maps if there's actually a problem that needs to be fixed, and not something they're willing to let slide when pressed?
There surely have been instances where questionable decisions have been made, but what many forget is that this is to be expected. This is a field where objective judgment is pretty much impossible. Especially when QATs hold perfections as their own standard, things might take a little longer.

Of course there are double standards, and it is important and fair to address them when they become visible. It is not fair to slander a whole team for the things that go wrong, while ignoring all the things that go right.

I am not denying that there are problems with the system. I am unsure if there can be a system without problems when it comes to this, because in the end.. we'll always have to leave the ranking process up to human jurisdiction.


To address your second question: You can see disqualifications as a purely negative feedback from the QAT, or as a chance to make a good map even better through conjoint effort. If a QAT came up to me and said: "hey I have some ideas for this to make it better, lets disqualify it for a while and think this over", I'd have absolutely no problem with that. Even if there is no actual problem with the map and it could technically be ranked. The QAT is giving me some of his time to improve the map together with me, which is awesome. Optimally, I could then decide if the proposed changes seem favorable, and push the map through regardless if I decide that they aren't (after all, the map was fine before it was disqualified).
Technically, everyone should be allowed to push through certain things that don't significantly affect playability. Pointing out when people are ignored is part of fighting against the expected biases I talked about before - it is important and needed.


Kaienyuu wrote:

Railey2 wrote:

Instead, just treat them like people
That is not how shit gets done in this world
Way to go, quoting me out of context. I don't promote this as a godlike solution for everything, so your response misses the point completely. And besides, osu is not "this world". It is a pretty isolated and well regulated system, so you are in fact missing the point twice.

All I said was, that it is time to take a step back and reduce the toxicity that is creeping between people here. Antagonizing isn't helpful, as it is just creating an atmosphere that nobody wants to work in. It also isn't fair in most cases.
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