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Drezi
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Joined January 2014
Drezi
what is it about Dake's behavior during RVS that makes you believe his claim?

also if you had to choose between say VT and Vig, I might understand if you'd prefer to avoid the responsibility of using your active role properly but a Clairvoyant is strictly better, like literally it's for all intents and purposes the exact same VT you wanted, but you get bonus info for free, so like really I can't wrap my head around this.
Frostings
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Joined May 2013
Frostings

Drezi wrote:

what is it about Dake's behavior during RVS that makes you believe his claim?
99% gut feel and intuition :oops:

Drezi wrote:

also if you had to choose between say VT and Vig, I might understand if you'd prefer to avoid the responsibility of using your active role properly but a Clairvoyant is strictly better, like literally it's for all intents and purposes the exact same VT you wanted, but you get bonus info for free, so like really I can't wrap my head around this.
I would rather have 100% chance of being VT than a 50% chance of being a strictly better Mafia Goon
Ace Timing
4 posts
Joined October 2014
Ace Timing

GuyInFreezer wrote:

Ace Timing wrote:

claiming would kind of ruin my role, should I anyway?

and why hasn't anyone voted me this entire game

freaky
Everyone else claimed.
k then, I'm supersaint

so don't lynch me, just vig
Drezi
217 posts
Joined January 2014
Drezi
Whhatttt?
Drezi
217 posts
Joined January 2014
Drezi
ok I just reread it but supersaint is the one that you don't control, we can just force someone to place the hammer allowing us to lynch you for free basically so yeah, unless we want to get rid of the dayvig shot I don't see the point.
Drezi
217 posts
Joined January 2014
Drezi
@Frostings so what's your reason for picking VT then? first you said it's because it's your favourite role and it's fun and clairvoyant is meh anyway

Frostings wrote:

ok I admit choosing VT wasn't the smartest idea, but I dunno, VT is so much fun :)
Also I looked up what Clairvoyant was and I thought it was kinda meh
now it's because you weren't sure if it's a town or scum role? you didn't mention that at first and seems like a rather important detail..
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?tit ... Idea_Mafia rolelist
doesn't list the "town" tag here either for town roles, and you can always ask the mod etc.?
Frostings
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Frostings
99% of the reason I picked VT is because it's my favourite role
Drezi
217 posts
Joined January 2014
Drezi
Also Sakura I'm not sure that I have it right, are these two posts basically that made you reconsider and drop the GiF/pie angle respectively? Cause I'm not seeing much else.

GuyInFreezer wrote:

I'm fine with dying btw

It confirms 4 factions to everyone, and massclaim will go through without resistance.

GuyInFreezer wrote:

Sakura

Do you really think pie would ditch town to get scumrole?
And you moved onto Frostings BEFORE he made this claim so the reason for that was?? Before that point he only posted an RVS readlist lol.
Sakura
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Sakura
I dont think GIF scum would be making that kind of move on Day 1 (maybe later on), and it's a good point that pie prefers to play as town than as scum so pie discarding town makes her town.

Re: the supersaint claim. It's not useless claimed, if we believe you're scum we decide who hammer lest they be lynched instead.

Re: The VT pick, i still don't see why you think receiving a role called "Clayvoirant" would have any implication as being 50% chance of being mafia when you could either A) Check back on the greatest idea mafia i hosted where i explained what it meant when a role had no alignment on it or B) Ask the mod.
Skullmaster4
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Skullmaster4

Ace Timing wrote:

k then, I'm supersaint

so don't lynch me, just vig
I don't want to waste a Vigilante kill on a townie that COULD end up hurting the town.
I would only kill you if someone is about to hammer, and I doubt anyone would hammer after that claim.

Oh btw, I was thinking about having my vigilante kill server as a second d1 lynch and allow people to vote on who I should kill.
Anyone opposed to that idea?
Ace Timing
4 posts
Joined October 2014
Ace Timing
it's in the case of you not believing me or thinking of scum, I'm not asking you to kill me obviously.
Zexion
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Topic Starter
Zexion
[Insert Fancy Flavour Here]

Votecount 1.5
- Magic Bomb - [4] - pieguyn, GuyInFreezer, Frostings, DakeDekaane
Frostings [3] - Sakura, Drezi, metal sonic1
pieguyn [1] - -Magic Bomb -
Skullmaster4 [1] - Navizel
metal sonic1 [0] -
DakeDekaane [0] -
Ace Timing [0] -
Sakura [0] -
-[Jess]- [0] -
GuyInFreezer [0] -
Navizel [0] -
Drezi [0] -

No Lynch [0] -
Not Voting [3] - -[Jess]-, Skullmaster4, Ace Timing
With 12 alive, it's 7 to lynch.

Please tell me if there are any mistakes.
Deadline for D1 is on December 24th, 9:40PM UTC.
metal sonic1
10 posts
Joined December 2015
metal sonic1
honestly although gif is playing townie (subjective) his role is the easiest to fake tbh
metal sonic1
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metal sonic1

Skullmaster4 wrote:

Ace Timing wrote:

k then, I'm supersaint

so don't lynch me, just vig
I don't want to waste a Vigilante kill on a townie that COULD end up hurting the town.
I would only kill you if someone is about to hammer, and I doubt anyone would hammer after that claim.

Oh btw, I was thinking about having my vigilante kill server as a second d1 lynch and allow people to vote on who I should kill.
Anyone opposed to that idea?
great idea

pun intended
GuyInFreezer
0 posts
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GuyInFreezer
There are 7 total factions in this game right now.
metal sonic1
10 posts
Joined December 2015
metal sonic1
greater idea:


let me tell you who to shoot because i am a licensed sharpshooter




pun totally intended
metal sonic1
10 posts
Joined December 2015
metal sonic1

GuyInFreezer wrote:

There are 7 total factions in this game right now.
like i said this is an unverifiable statement


proves my point


also i am not used to gif not having touhou avatar but meh
metal sonic1
10 posts
Joined December 2015
metal sonic1
[quote="ZexionDiscards:
- Magic Bomb - discarded Mafia Traitor Cop.
Ace Timing discarded Mafia Goon.
GuyInFreezer discarded Baby Alien Monarch.
Sakura discarded Vanilla Townie.
-[Jess]- discarded Alien One-Shot Psychomagnet.
DakeDekaane discarded Mafia Goon.
pieguyn discarded Mason Compulsive Bodyguard.
Navizel discarded Lynchbait.
metal sonic1 discarded Town Coroner.
Drezi discarded Town Coroner.
Frostings discarded Town Clairvoyant.
Skullmaster4 discarded Town Cop.
[/quote]

re posting
metal sonic1
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Joined December 2015
metal sonic1
the fuck is lynchbait
metal sonic1
10 posts
Joined December 2015
metal sonic1
what a terrible role
Navizel
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Joined April 2011
Navizel
Lyncher's target. Pretty stupid role, yea.
metal sonic1
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metal sonic1
Skullmaster dropped cop for dayvig right?

that i can believe
metal sonic1
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metal sonic1
my gut feel from the discards are drezi, dakedakeene and frostings are suspicious
metal sonic1
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metal sonic1
im also not quite sure about ace timing
Skullmaster4
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Skullmaster4

metal sonic1 wrote:

Skullmaster dropped cop for dayvig right?

that i can believe
And because I was cop last game, I really didn't want to play the same role.
And I have never got to play a Town Killing role. 8-)
Skullmaster4
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Skullmaster4
Ok, so I am going to try something.
I'm going to offer my daykill as sort of a secondary D1 lynch, as previously stated. If this doesn't go well or nobody votes I am probably just going to choose myself.
If you want to vote on the person for me to daykill use Italics instead of Bold so we don't confuse the moderator as a real command.
To vote, please type in Dayvigilante: (Insert Name Here)
It will work exactly as lynches do really.
The main reason I am doing this is because I want to kill who the majority of town can agree on. If I listen to a single person it could easily be a trick by the mafia, and like I said earlier, a miskill from me could be really bad for the town.
@Mod Sorry for creating my own command. Since its in Italics and not Bold, I hope it doesn't create confusion. I can change it if you need me to.
Frostings
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Frostings
^ that's a terrible idea
Skullmaster4
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Skullmaster4
^ Could you explain WHY its a terrible idea?
I'm still sort of thinking about this idea. I need input on it, please explain why instead of just trashing it.
Ace Timing
4 posts
Joined October 2014
Ace Timing
because you're new, impressionable, and scum likes that. Instead of giving toen an extra lynch, you could give scum an extra nightkill.
GuyInFreezer
0 posts
Joined June 2013
GuyInFreezer
Yeah.

Instead you follow my command on shooting.
/dictatorship
Skullmaster4
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Skullmaster4

Ace Timing wrote:

because you're new, impressionable, and scum likes that. Instead of giving toen an extra lynch, you could give scum an extra nightkill.
You mean I would be giving scum an extra daykill.

Also, I am new, but I am not an idiot. I would most likely be able to tell if the mafia started taking advantage of me.

GuyInFreezer wrote:

Yeah.

Instead you follow my command on shooting.
/dictatorship
Like explained in my earlier post, listening to one person would probably go badly.
*though I know this is sort of a joke post*

Another thing, I don't want to choose myself. Like Ace Timing said, I am sort of new to mafia, so I could easily mess up. That's why I feel like I need help with this choice.
Yes, I will cancel the plan. Just ignore that post really.
Just know that since I am pretty much going town majority, I am still kinda doing the same thing. Its just in a less organized format.
Navizel
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Navizel
@Dake, are you still suspecting me?
@Frostings, any explanations to your reads?

I'm having a hard time believing the VT claims because it just feels convenient.

@mod, does the player who targets the Grey Goo becomes just a simple goo?

Vote: Frostings
metal sonic1
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metal sonic1
Maybe I should have rolled the town one shot dayvig instead *cough*

I'll just pretend you don't exist and we play without the existence of your dayvig
GuyInFreezer
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GuyInFreezer
Skull

I am dead serious.

I would like a total control over your dayvig if possible.
GuyInFreezer
0 posts
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GuyInFreezer
Vig works better the fewer people controls it.

If you're not up for it and would rather let someone else decide your vigshot, let me decide it for you.
GuyInFreezer
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GuyInFreezer
This is just a reference post.

This is the list based on claims which alignment a certain player can be.

- Magic Bomb - discarded Mafia Traitor Cop for a VT. [Town/Mafia/Alien/3p/Goo]
Ace Timing discarded Mafia Goon for a Supersaint. [Town]
GuyInFreezer discarded Baby Alien Monarch for Town Clairvoyant.[Town/Mafia]
Sakura discarded Vanilla Townie for Tracker.[Town/Mafia]
-[Jess]- discarded Alien One-Shot Psychomagnet for 1-shot Uni Backup.[Town]
DakeDekaane discarded Mafia Goon for VT. [Town/Mafia/Alien/3p/Goo]
pieguyn discarded Mason Compulsive Bodyguard for Jailkeeper. [Town. Mafia gets no roleblock.]
Navizel discarded Lynchbait for SMELL something. [Town]
metal sonic1 discarded Town Coroner for a mason. [Town]
Drezi discarded Town Coroner for 1-shot commuter. [Town]
Frostings discarded Town Clairvoyant for VT. [Town/Mafia/Alien/3P/Goo]
Skullmaster4 discarded Town Cop for 1-shot dayvig. [Town/Mafia]

Let's discard all Town or Town/Mafia choices.

Frostings discarded Town Clairvoyant for VT. [Town/Mafia/Alien/3P/Goo]
DakeDekaane discarded Mafia Goon for VT. [Town/Mafia/Alien/3p/Goo]
- Magic Bomb - discarded Mafia Traitor Cop for a VT. [Town/Mafia/Alien/3p/Goo]

Provable roles that can be mafia.

GuyInFreezer discarded Baby Alien Monarch for Town Clairvoyant.[Town/Mafia]
Sakura discarded Vanilla Townie for Tracker.[Town/Mafia
Skullmaster4 discarded Town Cop for 1-shot dayvig. [Town/Mafia]

Town and can be proven
Ace Timing discarded Mafia Goon for a Supersaint. [Town]
-[Jess]- discarded Alien One-Shot Psychomagnet for 1-shot Uni Backup.[Town]
pieguyn discarded Mason Compulsive Bodyguard for Jailkeeper. [Town]
Drezi discarded Town Coroner for 1-shot commuter. [Town]
GuyInFreezer
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GuyInFreezer
Town and can not be proven
metal sonic1 discarded Town Coroner for a mason. [Town]
Navizel discarded Lynchbait for SMELL something. [Town]
GuyInFreezer
0 posts
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GuyInFreezer
posting again because random pagetop

This is just a reference post.

This is the list based on claims which alignment a certain player can be.

- Magic Bomb - discarded Mafia Traitor Cop for a VT. [Town/Mafia/Alien/3p/Goo]
Ace Timing discarded Mafia Goon for a Supersaint. [Town]
GuyInFreezer discarded Baby Alien Monarch for Town Clairvoyant.[Town/Mafia]
Sakura discarded Vanilla Townie for Tracker.[Town/Mafia]
-[Jess]- discarded Alien One-Shot Psychomagnet for 1-shot Uni Backup.[Town]
DakeDekaane discarded Mafia Goon for VT. [Town/Mafia/Alien/3p/Goo]
pieguyn discarded Mason Compulsive Bodyguard for Jailkeeper. [Town. Mafia gets no roleblock.]
Navizel discarded Lynchbait for SMELL something. [Town]
metal sonic1 discarded Town Coroner for a mason. [Town]
Drezi discarded Town Coroner for 1-shot commuter. [Town]
Frostings discarded Town Clairvoyant for VT. [Town/Mafia/Alien/3P/Goo]
Skullmaster4 discarded Town Cop for 1-shot dayvig. [Town/Mafia]

Let's discard all Town or Town/Mafia choices.

Frostings discarded Town Clairvoyant for VT. [Town/Mafia/Alien/3P/Goo]
DakeDekaane discarded Mafia Goon for VT. [Town/Mafia/Alien/3p/Goo]
- Magic Bomb - discarded Mafia Traitor Cop for a VT. [Town/Mafia/Alien/3p/Goo]

Provable roles that can be mafia.

GuyInFreezer discarded Baby Alien Monarch for Town Clairvoyant.[Town/Mafia]
Sakura discarded Vanilla Townie for Tracker.[Town/Mafia
Skullmaster4 discarded Town Cop for 1-shot dayvig. [Town/Mafia]

Town and can be proven
Ace Timing discarded Mafia Goon for a Supersaint. [Town]
-[Jess]- discarded Alien One-Shot Psychomagnet for 1-shot Uni Backup.[Town]
pieguyn discarded Mason Compulsive Bodyguard for Jailkeeper. [Town]
Drezi discarded Town Coroner for 1-shot commuter. [Town]

Town and can not be proven
metal sonic1 discarded Town Coroner for a mason. [Town]
Navizel discarded Lynchbait for SMELL something. [Town]
GuyInFreezer
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GuyInFreezer
It's sad to say but in order to prove uni-backup a dayvig must shoot a provable PR today.
JK and commuter are easy to prove. Supersaint is also very easy to prove and one of the VT claim must hammer the supersaint today.

Provable roles that can be mafia list must be carefully observed by reads/other PR interactions.

Town and can not be proven are usually the most problematic ones but luckily those are very town claims.
pieguyn
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pieguyn
i should not have signed up for this game.

i'll be around tomorrow
GuyInFreezer
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GuyInFreezer
We lucked out with the setup pie

This is gonna be an easy game.
GuyInFreezer
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GuyInFreezer
Also letting you know that the VT claims have a very high chance of flipping goo.
GuyInFreezer
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GuyInFreezer
Of course this is only based on claims.

Readwise 2 of the VT claims die today.
Sakura
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Sakura
Well all i know is that ms's gut at fingind town is great, GIF's good with reading town, and my gut is good at finding scum, taking in mind GIF's lists to narrow down scum is going to help tremendously.

Ok now im not mad about claiming Tracker Day 1.
GuyInFreezer
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GuyInFreezer
Also if you're a pseudojester or a lyncher, claim immediately.

Don't come crying later if you for accidentally and lose.
Sakura
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Sakura

Zexion wrote:

[Insert Fancy Flavour Here]

Votecount 1.5
- Magic Bomb - [4] - pieguyn, GuyInFreezer, Frostings, DakeDekaane
Frostings [3] - Sakura, Drezi, metal sonic1
pieguyn [1] - -Magic Bomb -
Skullmaster4 [1] - Navizel
metal sonic1 [0] -
DakeDekaane [0] -
Ace Timing [0] -
Sakura [0] -
-[Jess]- [0] -
GuyInFreezer [0] -
Navizel [0] -
Drezi [0] -

No Lynch [0] -
Not Voting [3] - -[Jess]-, Skullmaster4, Ace Timing
With 12 alive, it's 7 to lynch.

Please tell me if there are any mistakes.
Deadline for D1 is on December 24th, 9:40PM UTC.
According to this vote count if all ppl voting frostings move to MB or viceversa we achieve a lynch.

What do you guys think of a dayvig on frostings and lynching MB (or viceversa i dont mind)
GuyInFreezer
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GuyInFreezer
Accidentally dying and lose*
GuyInFreezer
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GuyInFreezer
We need to lynch ace today.

He technically could be alien avenger.
It was an overlook on my part so someone can make an updated list with this in mind.
Sakura
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Sakura
So whoever we dont shoot hammers Ace?
Seems like a sound plan to me.
GuyInFreezer
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GuyInFreezer
That's the plan yes.
-[Jess]-
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-[Jess]-
vote:ace
I will back at 4-6 hour later
Sakura
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Sakura
so skull take your choice between Mb and frosty, the other will die (or not die if ace is lying) by hammering ace.
GuyInFreezer
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GuyInFreezer
Why not dake
Sakura
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Sakura
i dont mind dake, but i think those 2 are higher chance of scum right now.
Frostings
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Frostings
What gif is doing, trying to game the system, makes me not really wanna play this game :roll:
DakeDekaane
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DakeDekaane

Navizel wrote:

@Dake, are you still suspecting me?
Not anymore, I've always found investigative roles quite hard to be a lie.

tbh, I think goo would likely not claim VT, given he has to be targeted, js.

Just do whatever.
Frostings
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Frostings
I'd rather we use the day for discussion and getting standard reads rather than selecting who to eliminate based on setup spec

I get gif is playing for his wincon, but I'd rather lose and have a good game of mafia where everyone participates, rather than winning and having forced a number of people to suicide
Frostings
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Frostings
but I guess we're already nearing that threshold since we got claims out already. I just hope everyone lied about their roles like I did :)
Skullmaster4
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Skullmaster4
I'll probably use my dayvig on one of those two when I get home.
I'll be back in about 8 hours
GuyInFreezer
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GuyInFreezer
Cool a scumclaim
GuyInFreezer
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GuyInFreezer
Not @skull btw
GuyInFreezer
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GuyInFreezer
Oh also, there's no breaking the game involved here whatsoever.

The massclaim couldve gone horribly wrong, and town lucked out for having a lot of confirmable town-only roles.

This was a big-time risk-or-reward gambit.

With that said, I am pretty sure the only one being lynched purely for setup is Ace.
Ace Timing
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Ace Timing
like tbh
Vote: Ace
MBomb
MBomb

Frostings wrote:

but I guess we're already nearing that threshold since we got claims out already. I just hope everyone lied about their roles like I did :)
if it's 3/3 that would be hilarious.
MBomb
MBomb
Dake is probably telling the truth with his VT claim though.
Frostings
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Frostings
@sm4 You can vig me for picking VT, I already lost motivation to play this game. you're probably gonna die tonight anyways if you don't use your shot and vanillize yourself

here are my reads

town
dake sm4 drezi jess ace

nulltown
pieguy

null
mb

scum/antitown
sakura

Also Gif shouldn't be receiving all the trust he's getting.
I feel like it's kinda obvious who's town and yet we're probably gonna end up killing off a bunch of them.
MBomb
MBomb

Frostings wrote:

@sm4 You can vig me for picking VT, I already lost motivation to play this game. you're probably gonna die tonight anyways if you don't use your shot and vanillize yourself

here are my reads

town
dake sm4 drezi jess ace

nulltown
pieguy

null
mb

scum/antitown
sakura

Also Gif shouldn't be receiving all the trust he's getting.
I feel like it's kinda obvious who's town and yet we're probably gonna end up killing off a bunch of them.
Can I just ask about your town read on Drezi? It's the only one I don't really understand (other than that nulltown on pie but that's something everyone except me seems to have). I'm not saying I'm scumreading Drezi or anything, but it doesn't seem like he's done much, especially not enough for a town read.
MBomb
MBomb

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

especially not enough for a full town read.
fixed
Frostings
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Frostings
I would replace out, but I think it's unfair to give someone a shitty VT role given a mass claim on day 1
Frostings
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Frostings
drezi gets a townread from me because he's preferring discussion rather than following orders like half the people here
MBomb
MBomb
Also am i the only person who still believes at least one of pie/gif is scum.
MBomb
MBomb
(of course, I think it's pie, but I'd say GIF is town if pie is scum, and vice versa.)
Frostings
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Frostings
I think gif is playing typical gif, and pie publicly following along (with massclaims) then finding his own scumreads is by-the-book pie play.
they're both likely town, though I wouldn't be surprised if pie flipped scum or third party. jail keeper is hard to claim though imo
Frostings
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Frostings
I've been having trouble for getting a townread on a lot of people, but I think it's because I've only considered 50% of the playerbase to be town. If I allow the possibility of only 3-4 antitown roles this game, it might be more acceptable, though I might have to think about my reads better
metal sonic1
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metal sonic1

GuyInFreezer wrote:

Provable roles that can be mafia.

GuyInFreezer discarded Baby Alien Monarch for Town Clairvoyant.[Town/Mafia]
wrong.

we have no way of proving gif's number of alignments (until everyone dies lol). gif's clairvoyant is not a proveable role



but a good plus point is that gif is assuming self to be town
metal sonic1
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metal sonic1
i find thsi game fun and i think frosting's issues with 'gaming the system' is bullshit

of course i have a tendency to enjoy gaming the system too so maybe its a different point of view.....
metal sonic1
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metal sonic1
the only thing not wanting me to blast frosting's head off is his very cute dino avatar
metal sonic1
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metal sonic1
that said, the dayvig dude should blast frosting's head off
Sakura
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Sakura
there is literally no way GIF is scum this game
Frostings
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Frostings

metal sonic1 wrote:

that said, the dayvig dude should blast frosting's head off
:roll:
once you see my reveal as VT, you'll be so confused and question everything about my playstyle :)
Sakura
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Sakura
p/4733572 is clearing or at least attempting to clear a crapton of ppl to make this easy game for town, this kind of play is suicide for scum, there's zero scum motivation and a ton of town motivation and the only ppl who would be against this strategy is the scum that are getting caught by the PoE.
Sakura
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Sakura

Frostings wrote:

metal sonic1 wrote:

that said, the dayvig dude should blast frosting's head off
:roll:
once you see my reveal as VT, you'll be so confused and question everything about my playstyle :)
Says the person who scumreads me every game.
Frostings
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Frostings

Sakura wrote:

Says the person who scumreads me every game.

Frostings wrote:

Sakura just targets me every game it's getting kinda old :roll:
:roll:

Also I fail to see the connection between your comment and the comment you quoted
metal sonic1
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metal sonic1

Sakura wrote:

https://osu.ppy.sh/forum/p/4733572 is clearing or at least attempting to clear a crapton of ppl to make this easy game for town, this kind of play is suicide for scum, there's zero scum motivation and a ton of town motivation and the only ppl who would be against this strategy is the scum that are getting caught by the PoE.
this isnt town v scum

this is town v mafia v 3rd party v goo v dingdong v idiots
metal sonic1
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metal sonic1

Frostings wrote:

metal sonic1 wrote:

that said, the dayvig dude should blast frosting's head off
:roll:
once you see my reveal as VT, you'll be so confused and question everything about my playstyle :)
thats a bad thing
metal sonic1
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metal sonic1
we can have less bad things in this game
metal sonic1
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Joined December 2015
metal sonic1
therefore you must be eliminated YN?
Sakura
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Sakura

Frostings wrote:

Sakura wrote:

Says the person who scumreads me every game.

Frostings wrote:

Sakura just targets me every game it's getting kinda old :roll:
:roll:

Also I fail to see the connection between your comment and the comment you quoted
Considering you read me as scum every game, you should already be questioning everything about my playstyle, but this is not the case, you're not trying to read me, you're just assinging me an alignment and reading me as such, therefore you're scum.
Your VT pick over Town PR doesn't make sense either, therefore you're scum.
Your preference of wanting to discuss over killing scum via strategy without pointing out the flaws in the strategy is tied to scum worried about being found out by said strategy, therefore you're scum.

Do i need to say any more?
Frostings
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Frostings
Me reading you scum "every game" is a complete overstatement and you know it

Sakura wrote:

Your VT pick over Town PR doesn't make sense either, therefore you're scum.
The fact that I claimed picking VT over a different role makes me stupid probably, but it's not indicative of scum.
If I was scum, why would I claim VT over any other other role (from the list of every possible role in the game which I conveniently have access to) when I know full well that what I discarded would be public to view?
So I can enjoy the comfort of people believing I'm useless? I mean, I probably have no thought process, but I'm not completely oblivious. Why would I purposely make myself so obviously suspicious if I wasn't telling the truth?

Sakura wrote:

Your preference of wanting to discuss over killing scum via strategy without pointing out the flaws in the strategy is tied to scum worried about being found out by said strategy, therefore you're scum.
Maybe I'm just traditional and prefer a different playstyle
GuyInFreezer
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GuyInFreezer

Frostings wrote:

I think gif is playing typical gif, and pie publicly following along (with massclaims) then finding his own scumreads is by-the-book pie play.
they're both likely town, though I wouldn't be surprised if pie flipped scum or third party. jail keeper is hard to claim though imo
Actually I usually don't do setup stuff because it bores me.
But cracking idea is a bad setup for scum because not many scum roles are intertwined with town roles (no mafia roleblocker in the setup. Enough said really), clairvoyant is broken as hell once chosen (because a major factor that hinders town from winning in a setup like this is not knowing how many alignments there are), we were lucky to even have a smell town who identified one alignment as a one lonely grey goo, and most of the claimed t own roles are either provable or can only be town, or both.

Normally in a setup like this, there can be as much as an simple optimization. This time, the chosen setup leaned heavily in town's favor. Heck, even knowing that one alignment can't kill is a huge advantage.
GuyInFreezer
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GuyInFreezer
Actually, I have no problem with you choosing a VT over clairvoyant. It's the other thing I have problems with.
GuyInFreezer
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GuyInFreezer
Why would I purposely make myself so obviously suspicious if I wasn't telling the truth?
Wasn't your reason because you didn't know if the clairvoyant you got was town or scum?
GuyInFreezer
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Joined June 2013
GuyInFreezer
Oh btw at this point I'm sure it's town/mafia/alien/goo.
Frostings
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Joined May 2013
Frostings
Me not knowing if it would be scum or town-aligned played a small factor in my choice, yeah
But I'm saying I would have zero incentive to claim VT if I was any anti-town role since it would cause a lot of preventable suspicion like it's doing now
Zexion
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Topic Starter
Zexion

Navizel wrote:

@mod, does the player who targets the Grey Goo becomes just a simple goo?
As the wiki says, any player who targets a Grey Goo would "lose all powers and win with goo's", so that's a "Vanilla Goo" if you would like to see it that way.

Why do I fear this is going to end in a gunfight...? I can't focus on my mathematics anymore!

Votecount 1.6
- Magic Bomb - [4] - pieguyn, GuyInFreezer, Frostings, DakeDekaane
Frostings [4] - Sakura, Drezi, metal sonic1, Navizel
Ace Timing [2] - -[Jess]-, Ace Timing
pieguyn [1] - -Magic Bomb -
Skullmaster4 [0] -
metal sonic1 [0] -
DakeDekaane [0] -
Sakura [0] -
-[Jess]- [0] -
GuyInFreezer [0] -
Navizel [0] -
Drezi [0] -

No Lynch [0] -
Not Voting [1] - Skullmaster4,
With 12 alive, it's 7 to lynch.

Please tell me if there are any mistakes.
Deadline for D1 is on December 24th, 9:40PM UTC.
MBomb
MBomb
Seeing as no one seemed to comment on it, gonna post so people don't forget.

I'm not VT. That was a fakeclaim.

My role is not provable except in circumstances where a townie is lying about their role. Only person I can see doing this is Frostings, and I doubt he would hide his role if it was the one that would prove my role.

And no, I'm not roleclaiming.
MBomb
MBomb
Honestly, my motivation at this point is making me unwilling.

pieguy is scum.

I have a slight feeling Ace might be a fakeclaiming grey goo, but it's not a strong enough feeling, and is literally only because claiming supersaint means either someone has to target you or someone has to die, and town usually wouldn't let someone die so easily. But Ace's non-reluctance to get lynched points me away from this.

So basically, I have no idea who grey goo could be, but it may be good to try to speculate, as we don't want people targetting people just to get turned into grey goo N1 and have like 3 grey goos already at that point.
MBomb
MBomb
And yes, I do have a tendancy to think people are scum without much proper reasoning, it may be best to just not follow me on it, seeing as I do tend to be wrong, it seems. But I'll still follow my gut feeling of pie being scum.
GuyInFreezer
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GuyInFreezer
look at this

VT claimers slowly changing their claims.
MBomb
MBomb

GuyInFreezer wrote:

look at this

VT claimers slowly changing their claims.
I'm still VT as far as scum is concerned though, right? Don't want to get NKed because of my role ;)
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