my style is this OAOSurono wrote:
`L_` i dont think to follow ur kentanz or fuutsuugh.. its mylife!!*singing* its my style lel `_J`
my style is this OAOSurono wrote:
`L_` i dont think to follow ur kentanz or fuutsuugh.. its mylife!!*singing* its my style lel `_J`
streeteelf wrote:
From SEE's Taiko Modding Queue
[General]It is a fact xD
- Shouldn't this be joeyclassic - seal? Without mp4? Can't really tell if I can't find anything.
[Prophecy's Kantan]Rest is nice for me.
- 00:03:133 (1) - What is this? Unsnapped note? First?
Fixed. My fault
- 00:12:672 - add k? Sure
- 00:26:582 (34,35,36,37,38,39,40) - why not k_d_k_d_k...? No.Because for more easy
- 00:39:759 (57,58) - empty sound? Suggest delete. Fixed.
Thanks >w<
[Prophecy's Futsuu]I'm good at modding easy diffs, so that's all I think, for now. Maybe I'll be able to mod Muzu too, but M4M later, in-game. Overall nice maps, good luck~ :3
- 00:03:133 (1) - Again? Same as Kantan. Fixed. My fault
- 00:06:816 (7,8,9) - d_k_d? No because 00:05:352 (4,5,6) -
- 00:13:404 - k No because no sound here.
- 00:13:770 (20) - delete No because jere have a d sound here..
- 00:14:136 - k Fixed.
- 00:18:895 (30) - d No because 00:20:725 (35,36,37) -
- 00:21:091 (35) - ^ No because 00:20:725 (35,36,37) -
- 00:27:314 (46,48,50) - ^ No because 00:20:725 (35,36,37) -
- 00:39:759 (72,73,74) - Same as Kantan, empty. Fixed.
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[Prophecy's Kantan]OzzyOzrock wrote:
Yo! NM from queue.
[General][Oni]
- The song in this video is Super Mario Land - Muda Kingdom. I'm not a metadata pro yet, but at the very least, that should be added to tags ...I think you should just map that actually XD
- Also, I think the spot where you stop mapping is too quiet. Stopping at 00:38:905 () should be fine.
[Surono's Oni]
- 00:13:892 (38,39,40,41) - Off-sync parts like this will feel really weird because of the seal sounds, that's why I think just mapping the original song would be much better ;_;
Otherwise this diff is great!![Muzukashii]
- 00:20:115 (24) - Move to 00:20:237 ()? dkk sounds really weird there. Maybe even remove the note.
- 00:25:972 (49) - ^
- 00:38:661 (106,107) - k d?
dem `L_`[Prophecy's Futsuu]
- Very many notes are unsnapped. AIMod does NOT seem to notice, so check manually!
- Currently this diff is as dense as Oni. I think you should delete some notes like
- 00:08:509 (13) -
- 00:14:365 (30) -
- 00:26:444 (64) -
- 00:31:935 (78) - etc.
But besides those (big) issues, the diff should be fine.[Prophecy's Kantan]
- All inhetiting (green) sections are unsnapped. Intelli didn't fixed?
- 00:03:156 (1) - Note is unsnapped.
- 00:05:718 (5) - k, 00:06:084 (6) - change to d?
- 00:06:816 (7) - Remove finish
- 00:09:378 (12,13) - delete
- 00:11:208 (14) - Move to 00:11:940 ()?
- Why not keep 00:11:940 () to 00:16:333 () the same as ^? Keep structure. Futsuu doesn't use rhythm variations.
- 00:26:582 (41,42,43,44,45,46,47,48,49) - This is harder than Oni, lol.
Not just the green lines, but the problem is structure and spread issues. Map needs work.The seal is cute so if you ever fix up this mapset I'd love to then mod the lower diffs haha. GL.
- 00:37:380 () - This inheriting point is unsnapped. xDD. My fault
- 00:29:144 (42) - slider? xD Removed and change k K
- If you can fix Futsuu, work on this diff's structure and spread too. Kantan on a song like this should be simpler.
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ty for the mod!OzzyOzrock wrote:
Yo! NM from queue.
[General][Oni]
- The song in this video is Super Mario Land - Muda Kingdom. I'm not a metadata pro yet, but at the very least, that should be added to tags ...I think you should just map that actually XD THE SEAL THO
- Also, I think the spot where you stop mapping is too quiet. Stopping at 00:38:905 () should be fine.ok
[Muzukashii]
- 00:13:892 (38,39,40,41) - Off-sync parts like this will feel really weird because of the seal sounds, that's why I think just mapping the original song would be much better ;_; I could fix this with some manipulation and 1/6th divisions, but i'd have to ask a QAT if that's the right thing to do
Otherwise this diff is great!!ty <3
- Very many notes are unsnapped. AIMod does NOT seem to notice, so check manually! AIMod pls
- Currently this diff is as dense as Oni. I think you should delete some notes like
- 00:08:509 (13) -
- 00:14:365 (30) -
- 00:26:444 (64) -
- 00:31:935 (78) - etc.
Done
But besides those (big) issues, the diff should be fine.
Thanks, almost fix.xtrem3x wrote:
Request via Simple Taiko Modding Queue
_____________________________________________________
General:
don = d
kat = k
Big Don = D
Big Kat = K
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Prophecy's Kantan:
00:28:412 - Delete (just 5 notes together in this sequence)
00:29:144 - Same
_____________________________________________________
Prophecy's Futsuu:
00:06:633 - Delete (is good but a bit hard) [b]no for spread
00:08:097 - Same same
00:37:380 - Delete
00:37:746 - Move to 00:37:563
00:38:661 - Change to k
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xtrem3x wrote:
Muzukashii:
GOOD
ty bae
_____________________________________________________
Oni:
00:05:718 (7,8,9) - Change to k (monotone stream) The stream is monotone because that's what it is in the song
00:06:694 (11) - Invert colors (follow "vocal" sound)
00:07:060 (13,14) - same
00:08:158 (16,17) - same
00:08:524 (18,19) - same
00:09:378 (21,22) - same These all sound like the song? Listen on 25%
00:13:892 (38,39,40,41) - in 1/6 move these notes 1 line forward (possible unsnapped but is better) I agree, but I'll change back if a BN/QAT says otherwise
OzzyOzrock wrote:
Yo! NM from queue.
[General][Surono's Oni]
- The song in this video is Super Mario Land - Muda Kingdom. I'm not a metadata pro yet, but at the very least, that should be added to tags ...I think you should just map that actually XD
- Also, I think the spot where you stop mapping is too quiet. Stopping at 00:38:905 () should be fine.
The seal is cute so if you ever fix up this mapset I'd love to then mod the lower diffs haha. GL.
- 00:20:115 (24) - Move to 00:20:237 ()? dkk sounds really weird there. Maybe even remove the note.
- 00:25:972 (49) - ^
- 00:38:661 (106,107) - k d?
dem `L_`
Sorry I was busy irl D:Surono wrote:
OzzyOzrock wrote:
Yo! NM from queue.
[General][Surono's Oni]
- The song in this video is Super Mario Land - Muda Kingdom. I'm not a metadata pro yet, but at the very least, that should be added to tags ...I think you should just map that actually XD
- Also, I think the spot where you stop mapping is too quiet. Stopping at 00:38:905 () should be fine.
The seal is cute so if you ever fix up this mapset I'd love to then mod the lower diffs haha. GL.
- 00:20:115 (24) - Move to 00:20:237 ()? dkk sounds really weird there. Maybe even remove the note.
- 00:25:972 (49) - ^
- 00:38:661 (106,107) - k d?
dem `L_`
well, will wull *will reply as soon dem my engliz `_J` ugh why intelli ur not tell me ww
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Thanks for the mod!Coro wrote:
Taiko mod~
All are suggestion unless in red.
[Prophecy's Kantan]
00:30:242 (42) - change to D? it's the end of the set of notes
[Prophecy's Futsuu]
00:09:378 (15,16) - k d, to match the pitch going down
00:32:804 (67,68) - ^
[Muzukashii]
seems fine
[Oni]
seems fine
[Sur's Oni]
seems fine
good luck with rank~
thanks for the modCoro wrote:
Taiko mod~
[Prophecy's Kantan]
00:30:242 (42) - change to D? it's the end of the set of notes . //Not fit the song. No change
[Prophecy's Futsuu]
00:09:378 (15,16) - k d, to match the pitch going down //Good Idea!
00:32:804 (67,68) - ^ //Good Idea! Fixed!
good luck with rank~
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Thanks for mod,Raiden wrote:
[Muzukashii]
- HP still too low Increased to 4.5, maybe more depending on how things go
- This difficulty is quite consistent and well differenciated from your Oni to be honest. Great job
[Oni]
- 00:03:522 - 00:04:254 - 00:04:986 - Should increase density to successfully differentiate from Muzukashii, so I suggest adding notes here since there are audible sounds
- 00:06:450 - ^
- 00:07:792 - 00:07:914 - ^
- 00:13:404 - Missed a mappable sound here
- 00:14:747 - ^
- 00:13:648 - 00:13:770 - ^
- 00:19:261 - ^
- 00:21:457 - ^
- 00:25:117 - ^
- 00:31:218 - 00:31:340 - ^
- 00:37:074 - 00:37:196 - ^
- Last suggestion I have is: add some variety. Mix doublets with quads since that keeps the rhythm consistent and makes the song more enjoyable. The song is really short and enough breaks have been provided, so you can go ahead and get some variety to avoid being too dull (I usually suffer from this as well in my maps). For example, doing quads in 00:10:233 - 00:11:696 - 00:16:089 - 00:26:338 - 00:35:854 - would maintain the rhythm while offering some variety
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Arigatow wwEdamaMe411 wrote:
Hi From my Queues
Genenal
You do not need to add''.mp4'' in title,,, please deletelol is fine bcuz is source 4rm utube haha XD
Sur's oni
00:07:670 (21) - move to 00:07:792 - no... is weird.. i follow 00:07:914 (21) - this *yeah 00:07:792 - in here is voice pitch.. but not stronk.
00:10:720 - add d no... focus on music
00:11:330 (40) - move to 00:11:452 -
and so on~
ffmmm,,,This song is not much triple note!! 2 or 5notes is good!!!!!! lol triplet is weird.. n bcuz this is follow music.. idk if can adding 5plet
Good Luck
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Fixed the note in oni, but in a song this short kiai is unnecessary. Also, I think the delay is fine as it is, but if a BN says something I'll changeLCM01 wrote:
Offset: +5. I have a average of 5ms delay when i test it
No Kiai time? I suggest kiai after 00:29:510
Oni:
Did u missed a note at 00:22:189?
LCM01 wrote:
Sur's Oni:
00:26:948 - 00:29:510 awkward rhythm,the dons are placed at strange places, try remapping it? k. thx lol
Are all my opinion
Hope can help u a bit!
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@@IntelliTroodon wrote:
Just to clarify, I'm just waiting for a BN check by Ozzy, so the map isn't dead, we're just idle until he gets to this map. The Taiko BNs are clearing all their queues so that they can get started with the nominator group thing, but it shouldn't be much longer.
OzzyOzrock wrote:
https://osu.ppy.sh/forum/t/360744
TL;DR I CAN'T MOD ATM BUT IF RULES CHANGE I'LL COME HERE K
All fixed, thanks for the mod!game rock wrote:
Hi, from my queue~
d
k
D (Big d)
K (Big k)
[Prophecy's Kantan]
Fine~
[Prophecy's Futsuu]
Fine~
[Muzukashii]
00:29:510 - Change to k to follow the drums and the pattern.
[Oni]
00:12:672 - Change to k to follow the consistency with the others patterns.
[Sur's Inner Oni]
Fine~
Nice Beatmap, I hope my mod has been helpful you :3, Good luck~ ~
Thanks for the mod!Skeuddy wrote:
FixedMuzukashii
- 00:20:969 (48) - k
Oni
- 00:06:084 (13) - Remove finisher I'll keep it in mind for future mods
- 00:30:242 (102) - kThe music sounds like dd, so I'll keep
Good luck
game rock wrote:
Hi, from my queue~
d
k
D (Big d)
K (Big k)
[Sur's Inner Oni]
Fine~ `L,,,`
Nice Beatmap, I hope my mod has been helpful you :3, Good luck~ ~
ew,Skeuddy wrote:
Hi, IT and Sur, from my queue
I think Kantan and Futsuu looks good, right?[notice]Sur's Oni
- 00:27:070 (54,57,60,2) - Move to the right at on 1/3 tick lol nice mod as usual, fixed `L_`
Good luck
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Ok everything has been fixed and the HP rate is now:shionelove wrote:
Kantan Futsuu Muzu need more higher HP at least 5
because https://osu.ppy.sh/b/670299&m=1 recently this map got DQed with this reasonthey should change HP system in Taiko inb4 HP drama and lazy DQ
[Kantan]
00:06:816 - add d
00:22:189 (28) - delete for BN,1/1 break break need need lol
00:34:634 (46) - ^
[Futsuu]
00:06:633 (7,8) - ahh this sounds are 1/3,so their rhythm is weird for me...
all same points are same thing...you should consider
00:09:012 (14,15,16) - d kd imo
[Muzu]
fine well mapped
[Oni]
fine
[Sur's Oni]
n0thing
end
Surono wrote:
heyo baby seal, very cute?
I will crush his head against the wall.. uhhh cute
Thanks <3StarForYou wrote:
holy wtf lmao
btw congratz rofl
Thanks for the mod, prophecy will be the one to reply to it and I will add you to the modders list when I get home!IControl wrote:
Hi i made some changes to the Kantan tell me if you like them :p
Kantan
00:06:816 (6,7,8,9,10) - 6 7 8 change to k d k. change 10 to finisher (D) add d on the white line between 9 10
00:10:476 (12) - change to d
00:14:136 (18,19) - change 19 to finisher(D). add k on white line in between 18 , 19
00:19:993 (25,26,27,28) - 25 change to add d on white line 27 change to D. 28 d. 29 k. add d on next white line should look like this
00:22:921 (31,32) - remove these 2 notes
00:25:849 (34,35,36,37,38,39) -change 39 to d. add d between 34 and 35 on white line. 35-39 leave the finishers but add k between the white lines ,like in your futsuu.
should look like this
00:26:58 - start Kai time 00:29:510 end Kai time here
00:30:242 (40,41) - change 40 and 41 to k. add k between 40 , 41 on white line change
00:31:706 (46,47) - change 46 and 47 to d. add k between 46 and 47 on white line
00:34:634 - add d here
00:36:464 (53) - change to k
00:37:563 (55,56) - change both to d and add k between on white line
00:39:759 (58) - add d here also go to timing section and change volume to 10% here as well
DoneNwolf wrote:
it's Super Mario LAND, not World. Fix tags : /
Raiden wrote:
hi. Sorry but I need to pop this.[General][Surono]
- No kiai at all? 00:18:529 - 00:29:510 - would be nice
- Use Normal sampleset, Soft is highly unadvised because hitsounds must be audible enough.
- HP should be way higher in all diffs (around 8)
all fix for this nub, thx bro. change to N hitsound.. lol Inner oni
- 00:39:393 - and 00:40:125 - unused green lines, delete them
- 00:09:012 (27,28,29) - d k d? pitch seems rather that way. what's the point on reversing it? :/ lel i forget how this mapped. okay fix on inconsistent pitch~
- 00:15:235 (4,5) - ctrl+g ok
- 00:32:438 (17) - d? clear lower pitch
- 00:32:804 (18,19) - ctrl+g? pitch goes rather high->low
- 00:38:295 (42) - d? same reasons as 00:32:438 -
- 00:38:661 (43,44) - ctrl+g, same reasons
and again, probably more things that I've missed.
I'm truly sorry, but this is not ready for rank in my eyes. And better know that now, rather than being rejected by TNA and having to wait more weeks. Find more mods, this can still be improved a lot.
I know that you've struggled to get this ranked, but it is just not ready yet. The main problem lies in lower diffs, just so you know. Also Surono could use more consistency in his rhythm, oh well.
You may call me back after you find some good quality mods.
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IControl wrote:
Kantan
00:06:816 (6,7,8,9,10) - 6 7 8 change to k d k. change 10 to finisher (D) add d on the white line between 9 10
00:10:476 (12) - change to d
00:14:136 (18,19) - change 19 to finisher(D). add k on white line in between 18 , 19 Added note, no finisher
00:19:993 (25,26,27,28) - 25 change to add d on white line 27 change to D. 28 d. 29 k. add d on next white line should look like this
00:22:921 (31,32) - remove these 2 notes Added a note for consistency
00:25:849 (34,35,36,37,38,39) -change 39 to d. add d between 34 and 35 on white line. 35-39 leave the finishers but add k between the white lines ,like in your futsuu. Changed 39
should look like this
00:26:58 - start Kai time 00:29:510 end Kai time here see raiden's post
00:30:242 (40,41) - change 40 and 41 to k. add k between 40 , 41 on white line change just ctrl+g'd
00:31:706 (46,47) - change 46 and 47 to d. add k between 46 and 47 on white line Changed it to d d
00:34:634 - add d here done
00:36:464 (53) - change to k
00:37:563 (55,56) - change both to d and add k between on white line Changed last 2 notes to d
00:39:759 (58) - add d here also go to timing section and change volume to 10% here as well
also edited a few rhythms here and thereRaiden wrote:
[Prophecy Futsuu]
- The rhythm is not 1/2. At all. I can't let this pass. No it is not okay. I went through and fixed
- 00:11:574 - Add a note, this part has the exact same density as Kantan added k
- 00:16:333 (30,31) - these 2 notes sound exactly the same, yet they are kd in Futsuu and dk in Kantan????????? Changed to kd in both
- 00:19:993 (37) - why k if you used d in Kantan? ctrl + g with prev not in futsuu
- 00:24:751 (45) - why d if you used k in Kantan or viceversa? Pick one and stick with it :/ changed to k
and probably many more things that i've missed
[Prophecy Kantan]and again, probably more things that I've missed.[/notice]
- 00:21:091 (27) - Remove, there is no note in Futsuu heredone
- 00:23:653 (30) - sounds higher pitched than 29, and you even used k here in Futsuudone
Seriously, don't force the kiai time on a song that doesn't need it.Raiden wrote:
[General]
- No kiai at all? 00:18:529 - 00:29:510 - would be nice @IntelliTroodon, you don't have to force the kiai here, the soing is pretty much the same all the time, so in this case the kiai is not really necessary.
- Use Normal sampleset, Soft is highly unadvised because hitsounds must be audible enough. Soft and Normal soundsets are pretty much the same on Taiko mode, although I must note that the usual Tatsujin style is to keep the same volume on the whole map, witouth volume changes
- HP should be way higher in all diffs (around 8) not really, that doesn't increase the difficulty at all
That is all.jossieP wrote:
#ModQueue
Hi, I took your request for a normal Taiko mod, so you don't need to mod me back.
As noted on my thread, I'm an old modder, take it easy
I want to note some stuff from the pop post.Seriously, don't force the kiai time on a song that doesn't need it. I am not forcing this on him, if I state something is to get a better quality of the beatmap. Up to him if he wants to change it or not.Raiden wrote:
[General]@Sampleset. No, they are not the same at all. And a QAT seems to agree with me.
- Use Normal sampleset, Soft is highly unadvised because hitsounds must be audible enough. Soft and Normal soundsets are pretty much the same on Taiko mode, although I must note that the usual Tatsujin style is to keep the same volume on the whole map, witouth volume changes
- HP should be way higher in all diffs (around 8) not really, that doesn't increase the difficulty at all
@HP. Oh, are you sure you don't want to? Another QAT begs to differ
http://puu.sh/kBiIZ/666fae5eec.osu , .jossieP wrote:
[Sur]
- 00:07:548 (21) - for a better following of the humming of the seal (lol), you can move this note to 00:07:792 - it really feels that that note shouldn't be there what?/?? weird flow... 00:07:548 (21) - why i put on here bcus this pitch can hear.. and i am not focus to seal voice.. but music/voice of seal, i can hear on here
- 00:19:261 (22) - you can do the same thing as noted above, oh if you are trying to follo the 8-bit tone here, the pattern should be dk instead bad....
I'll go over this when I get home later today, thanks!jossieP wrote:
#ModQueue
Hi, I took your request for a normal Taiko mod, so you don't need to mod me back.
As noted on my thread, I'm an old modder, take it easy
I want to note some stuff from the pop post.Seriously, don't force the kiai time on a song that doesn't need it.Raiden wrote:
[General]
- No kiai at all? 00:18:529 - 00:29:510 - would be nice @IntelliTroodon, you don't have to force the kiai here, the soing is pretty much the same all the time, so in this case the kiai is not really necessary.
- Use Normal sampleset, Soft is highly unadvised because hitsounds must be audible enough. Soft and Normal soundsets are pretty much the same on Taiko mode, although I must note that the usual Tatsujin style is to keep the same volume on the whole map, witouth volume changes
- HP should be way higher in all diffs (around 8) not really, that doesn't increase the difficulty at all
Now, let's go for the mod itself.[Overall]
- Please keep the same volume on the whole map, Tatsujin doesn't use volume changes even when the song have low volume parts, example: https://osu.ppy.sh/b/63993
Around 75~% will be good.- Use this soundset: http://puu.sh/1q9O
- You haven't changed your tag to Super Mario Land yet
- The offset is bit early, try 3161 (+5 on current). Check the mod before changing the offset.
[Sur]
- 00:07:548 (21) - for a better following of the humming of the seal (lol), you can move this note to 00:07:792 - it really feels that that note shouldn't be there
- 00:19:261 (22) - you can do the same thing as noted above, oh if you are trying to follo the 8-bit tone here, the pattern should be dk instead
[Oni]
- pretty simple tbh
- 00:21:457 (69) - you can move this to 00:21:701 - have more sense since the humming ends
[Futsuu]
- I would preffer to completely avoid using duplets on this kind of difficulty
- 00:06:694 (7) - you could delete this and the map would still have sense
- 00:08:158 (11) - same as above
- 00:12:672 (22,23,24) - this is a good example
- 00:19:993 (38) - not really necessary
- 00:30:120 (57) - delete please
- 00:31:584 (60) - delete for an easy to read pattern, thanks
I have made a terrible mistake
I understand that the hitsounds must be audible, I may misunderstood this part, I didn't tried soft soundset tbh.Raiden wrote:
@Sampleset. No, they are not the same at all. And a QAT seems to agree with me.
@HP. Oh, are you sure you don't want to? Another QAT begs to differ
Seriously, don't force the kiai time on a song that doesn't need it. I am not forcing this on him, if I state something is to get a better quality of the beatmap. Up to him if he wants to change it or not.
See the stressed "would be nice"? Great!Raiden wrote:
No kiai at all? 00:18:529 - 00:29:510 - would be nice
I TRYSurono wrote:
Cmon Intelli, make this happen. Fix and bla
Intelli, Property. Tomodachi neeee~
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Just waiting for a few more mods then I'll ask for a recheckProphecy wrote:
find BN to check the maps >_>
really want to rank it \( ‾◡‾)/
yep. they're pro modder.Surono wrote:
call Nishizumi or Senritsu to last mod for low diff
awkwakakawk tai beraninya ngomong pake bahasa yang dia ga ngertiPatZr wrote:
ngemengin qualiti mulu emng kualiti mod lo bagus ha?
bye sorry
ill fix it when i update prophecy'sSurono wrote:
ye, Intelli fix my diff about kiai :'D *Nishit baka!1!!!*
thx, will support u map with kd.
PatZar mah orang rude kwokwokwokowkw
si anjeg awkakwkawkawNishizumi wrote:
awkwakakawk tai beraninya ngomong pake bahasa yang dia ga ngertiPatZr wrote:
ngemengin qualiti mulu emng kualiti mod lo bagus ha?
bye sorry
and you should to re-call raiden to rebub, becuase he popped thisProphecy wrote:
find BN to check the maps >_>
really want to rank it \( ‾◡‾)/
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ava lo cacad, gak berkualitas tapi ngomongin kualitas mulu kaya mod seseorang (?)Surono wrote:
bentar pat, beb nisht, ava kalian kek posisi ava gw inich B^)
`L_` `_J` ~K`:;~J`_``J`L`)~ CECEDE Sichshcshc HEHehEH B%)
Nishizumi wrote:
ava lo cacad, gak berkualitas tapi ngomongin kualitas mulu kaya mod seseorang (?)
ok. Let's find one more mod.IntelliTroodon wrote:
I like how this map's thread has devolved so much that the majority of the posts in the last few pages are in a completely different language compared to when we started
Prophecy wrote:
ok. Let's find one more mod.IntelliTroodon wrote:
I like how this map's thread has devolved so much that the majority of the posts in the last few pages are in a completely different language compared to when we started