How about this. slani refusing to talk about sounds when they're about to be lynched is as bad as Frosting not roleclaiming when they're about to be lynched.
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Why exactly? When this could help for myself to know if I was targeted by a distrating role?Amianki wrote:
I'm not claiming sounds.
I don't feel like revealing whether I heard any or not. Feel free to speculate if you care enough.
You don't want or you can't? ^^Amianki wrote:
I don't feel like revealing whether I heard any or not. Feel free to speculate if you care enough.
You know pretty well why.Drezi wrote:
Why don't you claim your sounds slaiini??
No one here is psychic, cut the mind games and tell us why or why not you won't claim.
That might've been rude of me.
Edited for politeness.Ace Timing wrote:
No one here is psychic, be clear and please answer the question
As it seems that there's no better way then that I'll explain everything.
For the understanding, here the current housing situation:
notscience heard sounds from me, which suggests that he did not take any actions as well.
So there were sounds comming from Ace and Amianki NEVER stated that or mentioned it, while still pushing my lynch because I made sounds. If he heard Ace_Timing's sounds, he would've stated it. (It would be paradox to push me for making sounds and then protect another one that made sounds). When I asked him he just tried to distract and denied an answer. This was to not make a false answer, as he can't know if there were sounds, as he made a night action.
So Amianki made a night action.
Ace is supposed to have heard this night action, as he is VT and can't take actions himself. Also Ace stated that he heard sounds from me (after notscience claimed this). That means Ace actually just sheeped notscience, as Ace has no clue about what sounds where made around him. As he is VT now, he is not supposed to be able to take night actions.
This means he is scum and he made the night submission.
The only thing I don't know is, who his partner. Important to notice it, that someone was protected. So scum is now searching for the doctor.
Drezi is so on for me to claim my sounds. My assumption is following:
Drezi is scum, too and he knows that I heard sounds (the ones of Ace), he wants to know if I heard any of notscience, to find out if he is the doctor. (if he actually is, he will know by now that this is the actual case and we got our scumteam)
There are some other options, including some variations of the town that was involved and that blocked the nightkill (for example the town wasnt doc and instead some kind of jailor etc.)
So I'll go with this of course:
Vote: Ace_Timing
For the understanding, here the current housing situation:
So I heard sounds from above AND below, and for myself I did not take any actions.Sakura wrote:
[-VACANT-]
[Amianki]
[Ace Timing]
[sLaiNi]
[notscience]
[-VACANT-]
notscience heard sounds from me, which suggests that he did not take any actions as well.
So there were sounds comming from Ace and Amianki NEVER stated that or mentioned it, while still pushing my lynch because I made sounds. If he heard Ace_Timing's sounds, he would've stated it. (It would be paradox to push me for making sounds and then protect another one that made sounds). When I asked him he just tried to distract and denied an answer. This was to not make a false answer, as he can't know if there were sounds, as he made a night action.
So Amianki made a night action.
Ace is supposed to have heard this night action, as he is VT and can't take actions himself. Also Ace stated that he heard sounds from me (after notscience claimed this). That means Ace actually just sheeped notscience, as Ace has no clue about what sounds where made around him. As he is VT now, he is not supposed to be able to take night actions.
This means he is scum and he made the night submission.
The only thing I don't know is, who his partner. Important to notice it, that someone was protected. So scum is now searching for the doctor.
Drezi is so on for me to claim my sounds. My assumption is following:
Drezi is scum, too and he knows that I heard sounds (the ones of Ace), he wants to know if I heard any of notscience, to find out if he is the doctor. (if he actually is, he will know by now that this is the actual case and we got our scumteam)
There are some other options, including some variations of the town that was involved and that blocked the nightkill (for example the town wasnt doc and instead some kind of jailor etc.)
So I'll go with this of course:
Vote: Ace_Timing
I used "VT" there wrongly. I meant a person who has no abilities.
Also by now it should be obvious why I stood in background this day. I did not want to claim the sounds too fast, as I know that the possibility is very high that I just helped the scum find the doctor.
Are you saying you heard a sound coming from above you?
oh yeah you're town and you thought it's a good idea to just keep quiet about hearing sounds from two people who supposedly TOOK NO ACTION since they both heard you. because NOW you're concerned about our doctor, after requesting mass sound claims last day for no reason.
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Vote Count 4.06
sLaiNi (3) - notscience, Amianki, - Magic Bomb - [L-2]
Drezi (2) - Setsuen, Raging Bull
Ace Timing (1) - sLaiNi
Not Voting (3) - Haneii, Drezi, Ace Timing
With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch
Please let me know if you see any mistakes.sLaiNi (3) - notscience, Amianki, - Magic Bomb - [L-2]
Drezi (2) - Setsuen, Raging Bull
Ace Timing (1) - sLaiNi
Not Voting (3) - Haneii, Drezi, Ace Timing
With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch
like seriously lol you suggest that i'm trying to check if notscience is a doctor after he claimed hearing sounds from you today and Jess last day. I sure do think he is a doctor who is not using his ability and protected someone last night while not doing anything and hearing stuff from you.
Yes, and below.Haneii wrote:
Are you saying you heard a sound coming from above you?
And @Drezi, actually my thoughts about the second scum (which include you) are rather vague and the reasoning about you fishing NS is indeed strange (I already stated that he did not take any action and instead was targeted by either Ace or Amianki). It's 00:00 here, that's no excuse, but so you know that keeping my thoughts together is not as easy.
Still, I am sure about Ace.
Also you forget that Ace most likely did take an action. He did not mention my sounds until NS did and he never said anything about Amiankis sounds.Drezi wrote:
oh yeah you're town and you thought it's a good idea to just keep quiet about hearing sounds from two people who supposedly TOOK NO ACTION since they both heard you. because NOW you're concerned about our doctor, after requesting mass sound claims last day for no reason.
You're trying to twist this around, which again makes me suspicious about you.
and you did not mention anything even at L-1 only when I forced it out of you zzz...
and I'm not twisting anything I said "supposedly" since they claimed hearing sounds from you, and you somehow felt that you don't need to share possibly contradicting information..
@slaini if Drezi was scum why would he push me so hard D1?
And all this time I was waiting for answers on questions to Ace and Amianki, which where rather important for my conclusion. It's not like I did nothing the whole time, or something which would not connect to the other things I did. I asked Amianki and Ace to get the informations regarding the sounds they heard (and they acted like I expected it, so they did not hear the correct sounds) and I asked Haneii if he targeted someone else (this was important, as every action would create 2 sounds and I was about the Amianki/Ace/Slaini/NS sound combination (4sounds = 2 actions taken) and I was somehow thinking that I read somewhere that Haneii did an action, which would've denied my conclusion, as I would've had to expect him to create one of those sounds.Drezi wrote:
and I'm not twisting anything I said "supposedly" since they claimed hearing sounds from you, and you somehow felt that you don't need to share possibly contradicting information..
The same reason he first pushed the Jess lynch with reasons like "Town wouldn't need her anyway" and then take a step back and say "Scum will get rid of her" (while she was scum herself and scum wouldn't have done it either way)Ace Timing wrote:
@slaini if Drezi was scum why would he push me so hard D1?
Also, who's to say I wasn't protected last night? Scum could've tried to kill me and mislynch either you or haneii because my town flip would imply one of you two being scum. A doctor could've suspected this and protected me.
And what reason is that?sLaiNi wrote:
The same reason he first pushed the Jess lynch with reasons like "Town wouldn't need her anyway" and then take a step back and say "Scum will get rid of her" (while she was scum herself and scum wouldn't have done it either way)Ace Timing wrote:
@slaini if Drezi was scum why would he push me so hard D1?
Also, the idea that Drezi is trying to find doc is hilarious, as he just not too long ago said that doctor speculation is anti-town.
By this same logic, we could ask everyone in the game if they're town and we wouldn't have any scum since everyone would say yes.Ace Timing wrote:
Also, the idea that Drezi is trying to find doc is hilarious, as he just not too long ago said that doctor speculation is anti-town.
yeah, that doesn't mean I couldn't be trying to fish for a doc at the same time despite saying that, but it's obviously not the case. both ace and notsci have already claimed hearing slaini, so they obviously don't need slaini's discretion wrt to their sounds.
Actually
Vote: Ace Timing
I actually really like this a lot now.
Vote: Ace Timing
I actually really like this a lot now.
Wait, Ace did?Drezi wrote:
yeah, that doesn't mean I couldn't be trying to fish for a doc at the same time despite saying that, but it's obviously not the case. both ace and notsci have already claimed hearing slaini, so they obviously don't need slaini's discretion wrt to their sounds.
Yup, like twice, both in response to the same question.
Found them.
Vote: sLaiNi
That changes enough that this is still better, then.
Vote: sLaiNi
That changes enough that this is still better, then.
You did not hear sounds. If you were targeted instead of taking actions you would've heard them.Ace Timing wrote:
Also, who's to say I wasn't protected last night? Scum could've tried to kill me and mislynch either you or haneii because my town flip would imply one of you two being scum. A doctor could've suspected this and protected me.
BussingAce Timing wrote:
And what reason is that?
Amianki wrote:
Wait, Ace did?Drezi wrote:
yeah, that doesn't mean I couldn't be trying to fish for a doc at the same time despite saying that, but it's obviously not the case. both ace and notsci have already claimed hearing slaini, so they obviously don't need slaini's discretion wrt to their sounds.
Drezi again just ignores my whole explanation about the "Ace literally just lied about that he heard me" case to create confusion.
Actually...
Unvote: Ace Timing
If there is any town that targeted either notscience or sLaiNi, they should claim. This will blow the situation wide open and confscum one of the two.
Unvote: Ace Timing
If there is any town that targeted either notscience or sLaiNi, they should claim. This will blow the situation wide open and confscum one of the two.
^Just the target, not the role, if there was any confusion.Amianki wrote:
If there is any town that targeted either notscience or sLaiNi, they should claim.
1. So if I don't tell you I heard sounds, I automatically didn't hear them?sLaiNi wrote:
You did not hear sounds. If you were targeted instead of taking actions you would've heard them.Ace Timing wrote:
Also, who's to say I wasn't protected last night? Scum could've tried to kill me and mislynch either you or haneii because my town flip would imply one of you two being scum. A doctor could've suspected this and protected me.BussingAce Timing wrote:
And what reason is that?
2. No one busses D1. It's really stupid to do so.
3. If I was scum, why would I mislynch you? If I did that, I would get turbo lynched the next day. People town read haneii more than me, and it would be optimal to leave all double voters alive.
ftr I bussed super hard day one and rode off that towncred to a win against a playerlist I shouldn't have ever lasted more than a single day in once.
It's powerful if done right.
It's powerful if done right.
Ace Timing wrote:
1. So if I don't tell you I heard sounds, I automatically didn't hear them?
2. No one busses D1. It's really stupid to do so.
3. If I was scum, why would I mislynch you? If I did that, I would get turbo lynched the next day. People town read haneii more than me, and it would be optimal to leave all double voters alive.
The thing is that you were quite ready to state what you supposedly heard after NS said I made sounds.Ace Timing wrote:
1. So if I don't tell you I heard sounds, I automatically didn't hear them?
And then again you don't tell us about Amianki's sounds.Ace Timing wrote:
Yeah I heard sounds, but that doesn't immediately indicate he's scum, he could've been healed by doc or something like that.
What I was talking about is "Distancing", I chose the wrong word there, my fault.Ace Timing wrote:
2. No one busses D1. It's really stupid to do so.
It's just that this remembered me of what happened with Jess, first be like "Lynch her, as she would be blocking us anyway" and then go with "don't lynch her, scum will kill her" (while scum wouldn't kill her after that either way, as she is an easy misslynch target in this case, after she survived the night)
Then again there was a point when I thought her thoughts were rather town:
Because that was a valid reasoning there, which even I did not notice right away. Then again I fully trusted her last game, because he tried to save me from getting lynched and he could try to make use of my meta there.Drezi wrote:
noise from slaini -> no kill tonight -> "we prob don't have a doc, so I vote him" ??
Still the above is what makes me unsure about him.
The thing is, you did not start that wagon on me. Noone would blame you for it, you could just go with "He made sounds" and try to shift the responsibility on that to NS for starting the wagon.Ace Timing wrote:
3. If I was scum, why would I mislynch you? If I did that, I would get turbo lynched the next day. People town read haneii more than me, and it would be optimal to leave all double voters alive.
I always call Drezi "her", sorry for that to you. When I started to play here, I was thinking that you are a girl for a whole game.
Topic Starter
Vote Count 4.07
sLaiNi (2) - notscience, - Magic Bomb -
Drezi (2) - Setsuen, Raging Bull
Ace Timing (1) - sLaiNi
Not Voting (4) - Haneii, Drezi, Ace Timing, Amianki
With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch
sLaiNi (2) - notscience, - Magic Bomb -
Drezi (2) - Setsuen, Raging Bull
Ace Timing (1) - sLaiNi
Not Voting (4) - Haneii, Drezi, Ace Timing, Amianki
With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch
K, since I'm scum to you and I want to lynch you,why did I step off your wagon, and why haven't I been pushing it for awhile?
In fact, I don't think I ever pushed it.
Something to note: Even if I was targetted by someone that doesn't mean slaini is town.
Actually what the fuck ank
Why the fuck are you doctorfishing
Because I could see scum-slaini shooting me because I looked pretty town after yesterday as well as being adjacent to him as a plausible theory, only to find a nokill coming into today, and this opens up plenty of opportunity to out a doctor to direct for his buddy.
I don't see myself doctorfishing at any point. I just pointed out that there is most likely one that targeted either you or me (rather you, I don't really see any reason to protect me after yesterday) and used this for my conclusion. There is no point where I even asked for a doctorclaim or anything, whereever you are pulling this from.notscience wrote:
Because I could see scum-slaini shooting me because I looked pretty town after yesterday as well as being adjacent to him as a plausible theory, only to find a nokill coming into today, and this opens up plenty of opportunity to out a doctor to direct for his buddy.
It's 02:15 here, I am going to sleep now.
notscience you're not reading the situation closely enough.
Let me spell this out for you slaini.
I claimed to have heard you make sounds, and you claimed to have heard me make sounds.
That means-
A) One of us did something and is lying
B) Both of us did nothing and are telling the ttruth, one was targetted by a doctor and scum and the other was targetted by some random thing?
So lets suppose you did an action to try and kill me that didn't go through! That means one of two things- A) I'm a bulletproof, or B) I was doctored. So, by claiming to have heard sounds come to me, that would require (after ank's prompting) someone from town (hint: a doctor) to have claimed to target me, thereby outing himself.
I claimed to have heard you make sounds, and you claimed to have heard me make sounds.
That means-
A) One of us did something and is lying
B) Both of us did nothing and are telling the ttruth, one was targetted by a doctor and scum and the other was targetted by some random thing?
So lets suppose you did an action to try and kill me that didn't go through! That means one of two things- A) I'm a bulletproof, or B) I was doctored. So, by claiming to have heard sounds come to me, that would require (after ank's prompting) someone from town (hint: a doctor) to have claimed to target me, thereby outing himself.
even if you just claim the target, if someone claims to have targetted person x that the kill didn't go through on, then what do you think scum will do.
Scum don't always have to kill. You're ignoring a scenario where scum could have targeted one of you (ie: investigator/tracker/role blocker etc) while the doctor targets the other.notscience wrote:
B) Both of us did nothing and are telling the ttruth, one was targetted by a doctor and scum and the other was targetted by some random thing?
Never mind, if scum could do that without the risk of being outed/heard, they'd kill.
I'm willing to pay that price for a scum lynch.notscience wrote:
even if you just claim the target, if someone claims to have targetted person x that the kill didn't go through on, then what do you think scum will do.
Do you understand my train of thought though?
Yeah.
I don't think it's as much of an issue as you're making it out to be.
I don't think it's as much of an issue as you're making it out to be.
Why do I get the feeling that Amianki is pulling the same saving your partner scheme on slani.
For those of you who don't know, you should check Debatable mafia where CB tried to passively save rEdo.
For those of you who don't know, you should check Debatable mafia where CB tried to passively save rEdo.
Topic Starter
Raging Bull has 22 hours to post or be prodded
Vote Count 4.08
sLaiNi (2) - notscience, - Magic Bomb -
Drezi (2) - Setsuen, Raging Bull
Ace Timing (1) - sLaiNi
Not Voting (4) - Haneii, Drezi, Ace Timing, Amianki
With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch
sLaiNi (2) - notscience, - Magic Bomb -
Drezi (2) - Setsuen, Raging Bull
Ace Timing (1) - sLaiNi
Not Voting (4) - Haneii, Drezi, Ace Timing, Amianki
With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch
MBomb
Slaini's story seems very possible, however I'm pretty sure he's got Drezi being scum wrong, because of the fact that Drezi carrying out the kill would make a lot more sense than Ace. If Drezi is scum (Which I find highly unlikely due to Jess doing the kill yesterday instead of Drezi), then Ace Timing was targetted last night, but I'm not sure who by (Unless he's a JOAT, which he really should've claimed at this point if he is, considering the doctor ability is one shot anyway, I'd assume).
Ace Timing, if you really didn't perform an action, did you hear any sounds from Amianki?
Ace Timing, if you really didn't perform an action, did you hear any sounds from Amianki?
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Setsuen has been prodded!Amianki wrote:
Prod Setsuen
I'm giving it until I'm off work tomorrow or so for claims.
FTR we're not lynching outside of sLaiNi+Ace Timing today, so the Drezi wagon is kind of pointless.
ugh sorry, it took longer than I thought and I'm tired now. I'll post after a nap.
plz the Drezi wagon is obv to prove that I am double voter. I stole Haneii's vote. That's why you can see her name on them.
Guys I am stealing Sakura's vote 2night. None of you can stop me. I will have triple vote D5 and I shall solo win this game. GG
Also not going to prod Ace. Let Amianki do it.
Also not going to prod Ace. Let Amianki do it.
Hey everyone, Why would scum slaini target someone after that lynch on jess d3? The only thing I can really think of is if he was targetted to shift blame on him. I find it highly unlikely given the fact if slaini is scum, then scum would make slaini kill, especially after NS heard sound from Jess.
@NS, why Slaini over AT when slaini heard sound from above him too?
Vote:Ace
@NS, why Slaini over AT when slaini heard sound from above him too?
Vote:Ace
The sound of slaini's jimmies being rustled.
If this was the cause shouldn't you suspect drezi since NO ONE can hear if he did any action at all?Raging Bull wrote:
Hey everyone, Why would scum slaini target someone after that lynch on jess d3? The only thing I can really think of is if he was targetted to shift blame on him. I find it highly unlikely given the fact if slaini is scum, then scum would make slaini kill, especially after NS heard sound from Jess.
@NS, why Slaini over AT when slaini heard sound from above him too?
Vote:Ace
I'll vote ace (MB + Ace are my main scum reads when I'm running under the assumption that scum chose not to kill last night. My read changes when I assume the kill was stopped. However, both scum reads include MB)
I do feel a bit uneasy voting now, though (ie: bold name/top scum read asking me to vote). Should I? I do want to see a claim a day or so before dl.
I do feel a bit uneasy voting now, though (ie: bold name/top scum read asking me to vote). Should I? I do want to see a claim a day or so before dl.
MBomb
Well you don't have to vote, but I will almost definitely put you very high on my scumread list if you don't. Seems to me if you don't you're trying to hide something, for example a doublevote you can then pretend you "didn't know you had", or something like that.Haneii wrote:
I do feel a bit uneasy voting now, though (ie: bold name/top scum read asking me to vote). Should I? I do want to see a claim a day or so before dl.
MBomb
Vote for God's sake, what is the worst that could happen anyway?Haneii wrote:
I'll vote ace (MB + Ace are my main scum reads when I'm running under the assumption that scum chose not to kill last night. My read changes when I assume the kill was stopped. However, both scum reads include MB)
I do feel a bit uneasy voting now, though (ie: bold name/top scum read asking me to vote). Should I? I do want to see a claim a day or so before dl.
I'll vote soon. Just wanted you two to post. That was a lot quicker than I expected O_O
MBomb
Except Haneii already claimed to be a double voter for D3. Or was it someone else- Magic Bomb - wrote:
Well you don't have to vote, but I will almost definitely put you very high on my scumread list if you don't. Seems to me if you don't you're trying to hide something, for example a doublevote you can then pretend you "didn't know you had", or something like that.
MBomb
I'm thinking it might be the meaning of the bolded name, maybe some ability that gives someone a doublevote, or a motivator kind of role, that isn't detected for some reason I'm not sure of. To be honest I think the more likely idea is that if it's a sound not detected, someone stole Haneii's vote.Setsuen wrote:
Except Haneii already claimed to be a double voter for D3. Or was it someone else- Magic Bomb - wrote:
Well you don't have to vote, but I will almost definitely put you very high on my scumread list if you don't. Seems to me if you don't you're trying to hide something, for example a doublevote you can then pretend you "didn't know you had", or something like that.
Also @Mod: Prod ns please.
Maybe. I didn't hear sounds coming from any particular direction, I assumed it was slaini because notty also heard a sound, and could only have heard it from slaini. I can think of two scenarios to explain the peculiar occurrence of slaini hearing sounds from me.- Magic Bomb - wrote:
Ace, did you hear any sounds from Amianki?
1. Slaini is lying about hearing my sounds.
This is the most probable answer, which would very obviously make slaini scum trying to stall his own lynch.
2. Scum has a one shot ability that alters the sounds that are heard.
This is the more interesting one, and the main food for thought here is what the word alter means. It could mean that the sounds he hears are swapped with someone else, which would promote the question:
Who with?
The alternative would be his sounds are fabricated, as in scum forces him to hear something that he shouldn't have heard. This would probably make someone hear sounds, and would require another massclaim to discover the perpetrator, but massclaim should be avoided.
This setup is spooky.
@MB I've been thinking of what the bolded name could mean, and I thought of an interesting scenario: a one-shot arsonist. Think about it, if an arsonist douses someone, the person is usually notified, and this could be the notification, except in this case made public. Now the most immediate refusal to this would be, "but this didn't happen N1!". A possible explanation for this would be that the arsonist is mafia aligned, and scum decided to use tonight to perform two kills at once, but one was thwarted by a doctor, or the alternative that they simply chose not to perform the night kill because the goon that they could use to make kills without worrying about losing a power role is gone and they don't want to risk having someone hearing the nk. I'm sure there might be holes in this theory, feel free to point any out.
Why didn't you mention that the sound you heard was directionless?
He specifically mentioned that he hasn't heard sounds from me early in this day phase.
MBomb
MBomb
I don't think I mentioned that they weren't.Haneii wrote:
Why didn't you mention that the sound you heard was directionless?
@MB he's talking about this. I was fairly sure the sounds I heard was from slaini, so I concluded that I didn't hear them from Amianki.Ace Timing wrote:
Based on the known roles now, the only available options I see are notty you and drezi. Neither of you indicate any sings of being a doctor except for you and I haven't heard any sounds from you.