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Haneii

Haneii wrote:

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

That argument just seemed like a scum arguing with a town.
How?
Setsuen
@Mod:Prod Amianki and drezi
Topic Starter
Sakura

Setsuen wrote:

@Mod:Prod Amianki and drezi
Amianki and Drezi have been prodded!
MBomb

Haneii wrote:

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

That argument just seemed like a scum arguing with a town.
How?
I'm not sure, it's just my gut feeling.
Drezi
yeah im here, tbh I got quite pissed off at Jess flipping scum yet again, i'm so sick of having to deal with her shit every single game, and she won't stop joining games...

I don't think it's unfeasible that notsci had been bussing bussing Jess after both of them got close to a lynch last day, it'd make sense so that one of them gains a lot better position next day, but well it's not a scenario I'd be pushing unless the game doesn't seem to make sense otherwise later on.

I'd probably need to reread stuff but I don't really have a town feeling of sLaiNi's doing this game overall. It'd be nice to get more out of the day instead of a single wagon, but in this game it's already an accomplishment when we can actually agree to wagon and possibly lynch a single person, and I'm fine with a sLaiNi lynch..

Also note that sLaiNi had not claimed sounds at all afaik, while he should have confirmed that notsci/Ace had been silent simply to give us more info and confirm they aren't lying about hearing stuff etc.
Haneii

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

That argument just seemed like a scum arguing with a town.

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

Haneii wrote:

How?
I'm not sure, it's just my gut feeling.
Not sure?

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

I'm like, 99% sure that either Amianki or slaini is scum.
Please give a reason.
sLaiNi

Drezi wrote:

yeah im here, tbh I got quite pissed off at Jess flipping scum yet again, i'm so sick of having to deal with her shit every single game, and she won't stop joining games...

I don't think it's unfeasible that notsci had been bussing bussing Jess after both of them got close to a lynch last day, it'd make sense so that one of them gains a lot better position next day, but well it's not a scenario I'd be pushing unless the game doesn't seem to make sense otherwise later on.

I'd probably need to reread stuff but I don't really have a town feeling of sLaiNi's doing this game overall. It'd be nice to get more out of the day instead of a single wagon, but in this game it's already an accomplishment when we can actually agree to wagon and possibly lynch a single person, and I'm fine with a sLaiNi lynch..

Also note that sLaiNi had not claimed sounds at all afaik, while he should have confirmed that notsci/Ace had been silent simply to give us more info and confirm they aren't lying about hearing stuff etc.
sLaiNi

Drezi wrote:

yeah im here, tbh I got quite pissed off at Jess flipping scum yet again, i'm so sick of having to deal with her shit every single game, and she won't stop joining games...

I don't think it's unfeasible that notsci had been bussing bussing Jess after both of them got close to a lynch last day, it'd make sense so that one of them gains a lot better position next day, but well it's not a scenario I'd be pushing unless the game doesn't seem to make sense otherwise later on.

I'd probably need to reread stuff but I don't really have a town feeling of sLaiNi's doing this game overall. It'd be nice to get more out of the day instead of a single wagon, but in this game it's already an accomplishment when we can actually agree to wagon and possibly lynch a single person, and I'm fine with a sLaiNi lynch..

Also note that sLaiNi had not claimed sounds at all afaik, while he should have confirmed that notsci/Ace had been silent simply to give us more info and confirm they aren't lying about hearing stuff etc.
You're getting unlogical there.

First you say its likely that I am scum, and then you say I should've confirmed their claims on me being true. Which fricking scum would say " Yes, they are totally right and did not make sounds, so I did indeed take actions."

Haneiii I wanted to know if you had to target someone or if your action did only affect yourself

And Amianki, did you hear anything? No sounds were found instead of mine. So where is the victim I should've targeted.
Drezi
lol slaini.

if you're innocent and took no action, you could tell us about noises/the lack of noises from notscience and Ace. I don't really see the problem here?
Haneii
@slaini: I didn't perform any actions last night.
sLaiNi
Amianki, did you hear anything?

I am just curious in case someone made me stop hearing things or anything like this, as it's just strange how noone heard sounds of the one that I supposedly targeted in case I was the killer. So I want to make sure that I got the same result as you.
Drezi
and while we're at that can YOU tell us about your noises?
MBomb

Haneii wrote:

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

That argument just seemed like a scum arguing with a town.

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

How?

I'm not sure, it's just my gut feeling.
Not sure?

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

I'm like, 99% sure that either Amianki or slaini is scum.
Please give a reason.
I'm not sure of why I feel like it's scum and town arguing, it's just my gut feeling, however I am sure that my gut is right here (though tbh I was also sure my gut was right with Frostings, so that might not be the best judge, and my reads aren't exactly known for being the best).
Amianki
I'm not claiming sounds.
Setsuen

Amianki wrote:

I'm not claiming sounds.
You came back from your prodding just to respond with a one sentence answer and then go back to lurking?

slani refusing to tell us about possible sound she heard is like jess refusing to speak much.
Amianki

Setsuen wrote:

Amianki wrote:

I'm not claiming sounds.
You came back from your prodding just to respond with a one sentence answer and then go back to lurking?
Yes, I checked in at work and posted an answer to an immediate issue that was unresolved in the thread, then spent the next hour working/walking home.

Oh wait, I mean stopped my lurking to post a one liner then go back to lurking. Yeah, that's it.

Setsuen wrote:

slani refusing to tell us about possible sound she heard is like jess refusing to speak much.
I don't think you could have phrased this in a way that makes any less sense. That takes talent.
Setsuen
How about this. slani refusing to talk about sounds when they're about to be lynched is as bad as Frosting not roleclaiming when they're about to be lynched.
sLaiNi

Amianki wrote:

I'm not claiming sounds.
Why exactly? When this could help for myself to know if I was targeted by a distrating role?
Amianki
I don't feel like revealing whether I heard any or not. Feel free to speculate if you care enough.
sLaiNi

Amianki wrote:

I don't feel like revealing whether I heard any or not. Feel free to speculate if you care enough.
You don't want or you can't? ^^
Drezi
Why don't you claim your sounds slaiini??
sLaiNi

Drezi wrote:

Why don't you claim your sounds slaiini??
You know pretty well why.
Ace Timing
No one here is psychic, cut the mind games and tell us why or why not you won't claim.
Ace Timing
That might've been rude of me.
Ace Timing

Ace Timing wrote:

No one here is psychic, be clear and please answer the question
Edited for politeness.
sLaiNi
As it seems that there's no better way then that I'll explain everything.

For the understanding, here the current housing situation:

Sakura wrote:

[-VACANT-]
[Amianki]
[Ace Timing]
[sLaiNi]
[notscience]
[-VACANT-]
So I heard sounds from above AND below, and for myself I did not take any actions.

notscience heard sounds from me, which suggests that he did not take any actions as well.

So there were sounds comming from Ace and Amianki NEVER stated that or mentioned it, while still pushing my lynch because I made sounds. If he heard Ace_Timing's sounds, he would've stated it. (It would be paradox to push me for making sounds and then protect another one that made sounds). When I asked him he just tried to distract and denied an answer. This was to not make a false answer, as he can't know if there were sounds, as he made a night action.

So Amianki made a night action.

Ace is supposed to have heard this night action, as he is VT and can't take actions himself. Also Ace stated that he heard sounds from me (after notscience claimed this). That means Ace actually just sheeped notscience, as Ace has no clue about what sounds where made around him. As he is VT now, he is not supposed to be able to take night actions.

This means he is scum and he made the night submission.

The only thing I don't know is, who his partner. Important to notice it, that someone was protected. So scum is now searching for the doctor.

Drezi is so on for me to claim my sounds. My assumption is following:

Drezi is scum, too and he knows that I heard sounds (the ones of Ace), he wants to know if I heard any of notscience, to find out if he is the doctor. (if he actually is, he will know by now that this is the actual case and we got our scumteam)

There are some other options, including some variations of the town that was involved and that blocked the nightkill (for example the town wasnt doc and instead some kind of jailor etc.)

So I'll go with this of course:

Vote: Ace_Timing
sLaiNi
I used "VT" there wrongly. I meant a person who has no abilities.
sLaiNi
Also by now it should be obvious why I stood in background this day. I did not want to claim the sounds too fast, as I know that the possibility is very high that I just helped the scum find the doctor.
Haneii
Are you saying you heard a sound coming from above you?
Drezi
oh yeah you're town and you thought it's a good idea to just keep quiet about hearing sounds from two people who supposedly TOOK NO ACTION since they both heard you. because NOW you're concerned about our doctor, after requesting mass sound claims last day for no reason.
Topic Starter
Sakura
Vote Count 4.06

sLaiNi (3) - notscience, Amianki, - Magic Bomb - [L-2]
Drezi (2) - Setsuen, Raging Bull
Ace Timing (1) - sLaiNi

Not Voting (3) - Haneii, Drezi, Ace Timing

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch
Please let me know if you see any mistakes.
Drezi
like seriously lol you suggest that i'm trying to check if notscience is a doctor after he claimed hearing sounds from you today and Jess last day. I sure do think he is a doctor who is not using his ability and protected someone last night while not doing anything and hearing stuff from you.
sLaiNi

Haneii wrote:

Are you saying you heard a sound coming from above you?
Yes, and below.

And @Drezi, actually my thoughts about the second scum (which include you) are rather vague and the reasoning about you fishing NS is indeed strange (I already stated that he did not take any action and instead was targeted by either Ace or Amianki). It's 00:00 here, that's no excuse, but so you know that keeping my thoughts together is not as easy.

Still, I am sure about Ace.
sLaiNi

Drezi wrote:

oh yeah you're town and you thought it's a good idea to just keep quiet about hearing sounds from two people who supposedly TOOK NO ACTION since they both heard you. because NOW you're concerned about our doctor, after requesting mass sound claims last day for no reason.
Also you forget that Ace most likely did take an action. He did not mention my sounds until NS did and he never said anything about Amiankis sounds.

You're trying to twist this around, which again makes me suspicious about you.
Drezi
and you did not mention anything even at L-1 only when I forced it out of you zzz...
Drezi
and I'm not twisting anything I said "supposedly" since they claimed hearing sounds from you, and you somehow felt that you don't need to share possibly contradicting information..
Ace Timing
@slaini if Drezi was scum why would he push me so hard D1?
sLaiNi

Drezi wrote:

and I'm not twisting anything I said "supposedly" since they claimed hearing sounds from you, and you somehow felt that you don't need to share possibly contradicting information..
And all this time I was waiting for answers on questions to Ace and Amianki, which where rather important for my conclusion. It's not like I did nothing the whole time, or something which would not connect to the other things I did. I asked Amianki and Ace to get the informations regarding the sounds they heard (and they acted like I expected it, so they did not hear the correct sounds) and I asked Haneii if he targeted someone else (this was important, as every action would create 2 sounds and I was about the Amianki/Ace/Slaini/NS sound combination (4sounds = 2 actions taken) and I was somehow thinking that I read somewhere that Haneii did an action, which would've denied my conclusion, as I would've had to expect him to create one of those sounds.
sLaiNi

Ace Timing wrote:

@slaini if Drezi was scum why would he push me so hard D1?
The same reason he first pushed the Jess lynch with reasons like "Town wouldn't need her anyway" and then take a step back and say "Scum will get rid of her" (while she was scum herself and scum wouldn't have done it either way)
Ace Timing
Also, who's to say I wasn't protected last night? Scum could've tried to kill me and mislynch either you or haneii because my town flip would imply one of you two being scum. A doctor could've suspected this and protected me.
Ace Timing

sLaiNi wrote:

Ace Timing wrote:

@slaini if Drezi was scum why would he push me so hard D1?
The same reason he first pushed the Jess lynch with reasons like "Town wouldn't need her anyway" and then take a step back and say "Scum will get rid of her" (while she was scum herself and scum wouldn't have done it either way)
And what reason is that?
Amianki
jfc
Ace Timing
Also, the idea that Drezi is trying to find doc is hilarious, as he just not too long ago said that doctor speculation is anti-town.
Amianki

Ace Timing wrote:

Also, the idea that Drezi is trying to find doc is hilarious, as he just not too long ago said that doctor speculation is anti-town.
By this same logic, we could ask everyone in the game if they're town and we wouldn't have any scum since everyone would say yes.
Amianki
I'm assuming Ace Timing didn't action, then?
Drezi
yeah, that doesn't mean I couldn't be trying to fish for a doc at the same time despite saying that, but it's obviously not the case. both ace and notsci have already claimed hearing slaini, so they obviously don't need slaini's discretion wrt to their sounds.
Amianki
Actually

Vote: Ace Timing

I actually really like this a lot now.
Amianki

Drezi wrote:

yeah, that doesn't mean I couldn't be trying to fish for a doc at the same time despite saying that, but it's obviously not the case. both ace and notsci have already claimed hearing slaini, so they obviously don't need slaini's discretion wrt to their sounds.
Wait, Ace did?
Ace Timing
Yup, like twice, both in response to the same question.
Amianki
Found them.

Vote: sLaiNi

That changes enough that this is still better, then.
sLaiNi

Ace Timing wrote:

Also, who's to say I wasn't protected last night? Scum could've tried to kill me and mislynch either you or haneii because my town flip would imply one of you two being scum. A doctor could've suspected this and protected me.
You did not hear sounds. If you were targeted instead of taking actions you would've heard them.

Ace Timing wrote:

And what reason is that?
Bussing
sLaiNi

Amianki wrote:

Drezi wrote:

yeah, that doesn't mean I couldn't be trying to fish for a doc at the same time despite saying that, but it's obviously not the case. both ace and notsci have already claimed hearing slaini, so they obviously don't need slaini's discretion wrt to their sounds.
Wait, Ace did?

Drezi again just ignores my whole explanation about the "Ace literally just lied about that he heard me" case to create confusion.
Amianki
Actually...

Unvote: Ace Timing

If there is any town that targeted either notscience or sLaiNi, they should claim. This will blow the situation wide open and confscum one of the two.
Amianki
Unvote: sLaiNi

Same shit, whatever.
Amianki

Amianki wrote:

If there is any town that targeted either notscience or sLaiNi, they should claim.
^Just the target, not the role, if there was any confusion.
Ace Timing

sLaiNi wrote:

Ace Timing wrote:

Also, who's to say I wasn't protected last night? Scum could've tried to kill me and mislynch either you or haneii because my town flip would imply one of you two being scum. A doctor could've suspected this and protected me.
You did not hear sounds. If you were targeted instead of taking actions you would've heard them.

Ace Timing wrote:

And what reason is that?
Bussing
1. So if I don't tell you I heard sounds, I automatically didn't hear them?
2. No one busses D1. It's really stupid to do so.
3. If I was scum, why would I mislynch you? If I did that, I would get turbo lynched the next day. People town read haneii more than me, and it would be optimal to leave all double voters alive.
Amianki
ftr I bussed super hard day one and rode off that towncred to a win against a playerlist I shouldn't have ever lasted more than a single day in once.

It's powerful if done right.
sLaiNi

Ace Timing wrote:

1. So if I don't tell you I heard sounds, I automatically didn't hear them?
2. No one busses D1. It's really stupid to do so.
3. If I was scum, why would I mislynch you? If I did that, I would get turbo lynched the next day. People town read haneii more than me, and it would be optimal to leave all double voters alive.

Ace Timing wrote:

1. So if I don't tell you I heard sounds, I automatically didn't hear them?
The thing is that you were quite ready to state what you supposedly heard after NS said I made sounds.

Ace Timing wrote:

Yeah I heard sounds, but that doesn't immediately indicate he's scum, he could've been healed by doc or something like that.
And then again you don't tell us about Amianki's sounds.

Ace Timing wrote:

2. No one busses D1. It's really stupid to do so.
What I was talking about is "Distancing", I chose the wrong word there, my fault.
It's just that this remembered me of what happened with Jess, first be like "Lynch her, as she would be blocking us anyway" and then go with "don't lynch her, scum will kill her" (while scum wouldn't kill her after that either way, as she is an easy misslynch target in this case, after she survived the night)

Then again there was a point when I thought her thoughts were rather town:

Drezi wrote:

noise from slaini -> no kill tonight -> "we prob don't have a doc, so I vote him" ??
Because that was a valid reasoning there, which even I did not notice right away. Then again I fully trusted her last game, because he tried to save me from getting lynched and he could try to make use of my meta there.
Still the above is what makes me unsure about him.

Ace Timing wrote:

3. If I was scum, why would I mislynch you? If I did that, I would get turbo lynched the next day. People town read haneii more than me, and it would be optimal to leave all double voters alive.
The thing is, you did not start that wagon on me. Noone would blame you for it, you could just go with "He made sounds" and try to shift the responsibility on that to NS for starting the wagon.
sLaiNi
I always call Drezi "her", sorry for that to you. When I started to play here, I was thinking that you are a girl for a whole game.
Topic Starter
Sakura
Vote Count 4.07

sLaiNi (2) - notscience, - Magic Bomb -
Drezi (2) - Setsuen, Raging Bull
Ace Timing (1) - sLaiNi

Not Voting (4) - Haneii, Drezi, Ace Timing, Amianki

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch
Ace Timing
K, since I'm scum to you and I want to lynch you,why did I step off your wagon, and why haven't I been pushing it for awhile?
Ace Timing
In fact, I don't think I ever pushed it.
notscience
Something to note: Even if I was targetted by someone that doesn't mean slaini is town.
notscience
Actually what the fuck ank
Amianki

notscience wrote:

Actually what the fuck ank
what
notscience
Why the fuck are you doctorfishing
notscience
Because I could see scum-slaini shooting me because I looked pretty town after yesterday as well as being adjacent to him as a plausible theory, only to find a nokill coming into today, and this opens up plenty of opportunity to out a doctor to direct for his buddy.
sLaiNi

notscience wrote:

Because I could see scum-slaini shooting me because I looked pretty town after yesterday as well as being adjacent to him as a plausible theory, only to find a nokill coming into today, and this opens up plenty of opportunity to out a doctor to direct for his buddy.
I don't see myself doctorfishing at any point. I just pointed out that there is most likely one that targeted either you or me (rather you, I don't really see any reason to protect me after yesterday) and used this for my conclusion. There is no point where I even asked for a doctorclaim or anything, whereever you are pulling this from.


It's 02:15 here, I am going to sleep now.
Amianki
notscience you're not reading the situation closely enough.
notscience
Let me spell this out for you slaini.

I claimed to have heard you make sounds, and you claimed to have heard me make sounds.

That means-

A) One of us did something and is lying
B) Both of us did nothing and are telling the ttruth, one was targetted by a doctor and scum and the other was targetted by some random thing?

So lets suppose you did an action to try and kill me that didn't go through! That means one of two things- A) I'm a bulletproof, or B) I was doctored. So, by claiming to have heard sounds come to me, that would require (after ank's prompting) someone from town (hint: a doctor) to have claimed to target me, thereby outing himself.
notscience
even if you just claim the target, if someone claims to have targetted person x that the kill didn't go through on, then what do you think scum will do.
Haneii

notscience wrote:

B) Both of us did nothing and are telling the ttruth, one was targetted by a doctor and scum and the other was targetted by some random thing?
Scum don't always have to kill. You're ignoring a scenario where scum could have targeted one of you (ie: investigator/tracker/role blocker etc) while the doctor targets the other.
Haneii
Never mind, if scum could do that without the risk of being outed/heard, they'd kill.
Amianki

notscience wrote:

even if you just claim the target, if someone claims to have targetted person x that the kill didn't go through on, then what do you think scum will do.
I'm willing to pay that price for a scum lynch.
notscience
Do you understand my train of thought though?
Amianki
Yeah.

I don't think it's as much of an issue as you're making it out to be.
Setsuen
Why do I get the feeling that Amianki is pulling the same saving your partner scheme on slani.

For those of you who don't know, you should check Debatable mafia where CB tried to passively save rEdo.
Amianki
yes that's exactly what's happening

you figured it out
Topic Starter
Sakura
Raging Bull has 22 hours to post or be prodded
Vote Count 4.08

sLaiNi (2) - notscience, - Magic Bomb -
Drezi (2) - Setsuen, Raging Bull
Ace Timing (1) - sLaiNi

Not Voting (4) - Haneii, Drezi, Ace Timing, Amianki

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch
MBomb
Slaini's story seems very possible, however I'm pretty sure he's got Drezi being scum wrong, because of the fact that Drezi carrying out the kill would make a lot more sense than Ace. If Drezi is scum (Which I find highly unlikely due to Jess doing the kill yesterday instead of Drezi), then Ace Timing was targetted last night, but I'm not sure who by (Unless he's a JOAT, which he really should've claimed at this point if he is, considering the doctor ability is one shot anyway, I'd assume).

Ace Timing, if you really didn't perform an action, did you hear any sounds from Amianki?
MBomb
Also, I just had a thought. Haneii, can you vote someone, please?
Amianki
Prod Setsuen
Topic Starter
Sakura

Amianki wrote:

Prod Setsuen
Setsuen has been prodded!
Amianki
I'm giving it until I'm off work tomorrow or so for claims.
Amianki
FTR we're not lynching outside of sLaiNi+Ace Timing today, so the Drezi wagon is kind of pointless.
Raging Bull
ugh sorry, it took longer than I thought and I'm tired now. I'll post after a nap.
Setsuen
plz the Drezi wagon is obv to prove that I am double voter. I stole Haneii's vote. That's why you can see her name on them.
Amianki
what
Setsuen

Amianki wrote:

what
what
MBomb
Wait, but then why did I not hear a sound from either of you?
MBomb
oh wait shit i'm an idiot lmao i can't read sarcasm
MBomb
This is what happens when i post just after waking up ;w;
Setsuen
Guys I am stealing Sakura's vote 2night. None of you can stop me. I will have triple vote D5 and I shall solo win this game. GG

Also not going to prod Ace. Let Amianki do it.
Raging Bull
Hey everyone, Why would scum slaini target someone after that lynch on jess d3? The only thing I can really think of is if he was targetted to shift blame on him. I find it highly unlikely given the fact if slaini is scum, then scum would make slaini kill, especially after NS heard sound from Jess.

@NS, why Slaini over AT when slaini heard sound from above him too?


Vote:Ace
Amianki
Hm

Ace Timing what sounds did you hear again?
Ace Timing
The sound of slaini's jimmies being rustled.
Amianki
You heard sLaiNi and nothing else?
Setsuen

Raging Bull wrote:

Hey everyone, Why would scum slaini target someone after that lynch on jess d3? The only thing I can really think of is if he was targetted to shift blame on him. I find it highly unlikely given the fact if slaini is scum, then scum would make slaini kill, especially after NS heard sound from Jess.

@NS, why Slaini over AT when slaini heard sound from above him too?


Vote:Ace
If this was the cause shouldn't you suspect drezi since NO ONE can hear if he did any action at all?
Haneii
I'll vote ace (MB + Ace are my main scum reads when I'm running under the assumption that scum chose not to kill last night. My read changes when I assume the kill was stopped. However, both scum reads include MB)

I do feel a bit uneasy voting now, though (ie: bold name/top scum read asking me to vote). Should I? I do want to see a claim a day or so before dl.
MBomb

Haneii wrote:

I do feel a bit uneasy voting now, though (ie: bold name/top scum read asking me to vote). Should I? I do want to see a claim a day or so before dl.
Well you don't have to vote, but I will almost definitely put you very high on my scumread list if you don't. Seems to me if you don't you're trying to hide something, for example a doublevote you can then pretend you "didn't know you had", or something like that.
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