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Zekira
UFO System summarized:

-Combinations come in 4 forms: Multi-colored, Red, Blue, Green
-When an incompatible UFO is obtained as the 3rd UFO, the first one is discarded (e.g. if you have 2 Red UFOs and suddenly get a green or blue one, or if you have red and blue UFO and then get another Blue or Red one)
-When you form a compatible combination of 3 UFOs, a UFO will appear. This UFO has an item magnet and set life, and you have 10 (12?) seconds to destroy it.
-If the UFO obtains a certain number of items (I don't remember how many), it spits out a bonus depending on what kind of UFO it is (explained later)
-you have to kill it within the time limit or else it will just fly away with all the items, lol.
-If you manage to kill it, all items it sucked in will magnetize to you, point items get maximum value, and bullets near it will be cleared. If the bonus is activated, a larger area of bullet clearing happens.
-Different UFOs give different items on kill, but all of them spit out a UFO of their color (but switching) on kill:
---Red UFOs drop a Player fragment. Getting it a bonus spits out another player fragment.
---Green UFOs drop a Spell Fragment. Getting it a bonus spits out a Spell Item.
---Blue UFOs give you insane points. Getting it a bonus increases its multiplier on kill.
---Rainbow UFOs don't spit out anything extra unless you get the bonus, though it does have a score multiplier but not as high as blue UFOs. Getting it a bonus results in it spitting another switching-colored UFO.
-UFOs have a hitbox, don't forget that.
Arusha Shuna
so rainbow ufo's pretty much the useless one?
Azure_Kite

Arusha Shuna wrote:

so rainbow ufo's pretty much the useless one?
Yes.

Scorewise, aiming only for blue UFO's is the best course of action. but normal people need bombs. and lives. Although mainly bombs. You get more value out of getting a green UFO (With 1 & 1/3 bombs) than you do getting a red UFO (1/2 a life)
Zekira
Scorewise, aiming only for blue UFO's is the best course of action.
NO; a balance between Blue and Rainbow is actually recommended even by Touhou Wiki, particularly a lot of rainbows in the late stages, due to the extra UFO that is obtained from them and their item conversion.

As the critical UFO summoning spots (over 100 point/power items during a single UFO's lifetime) don't start until post-midboss stage 3, it is generally advised to maximize the point value until that point using all means available (on Easy mode, it is possible to increase the value up to as much as 37,000 upon reaching the stage 3 boss). Collecting a single UFO token while a UFO is already summoned is equivalent to 1000 graze points, and can be done within the first minute of stage 1. Because of this, Blinking UFOs are significantly better for scoring in early stages than Blue UFOs, as on satiation a Blinking UFO will release a UFO token that can be immediately collected to increase the point value by another 1000.

A quick rule of thumb here is try to minimalize UFO summon on stage 1 to 4, and to summon Blue or Rainbow UFO as much as you can on stage 5 and 6.
Also, when Rainbow UFOs receive Power Items, they get converted to Point Items instead, so you can take advantage of the Rainbow's multipler for that too, unlike Blue ones which still retain Power as Power. Take note though that Point Items get converted to Power, but there's an immense amount of Power Items in this game, especially in the late stages.

Speaking about survival: Also, one thing that's actually pleasing to do in TH12 is overbombing, as it's made even more possible by Green UFOs. The wiki has some input on this too, and is still up to preference:

For survival

Green and red UFOs, while generally useless in high score runs, are able to provide a less experienced player with a sufficient life and bomb supply, as well as clear the screen of bullets in a bomb-like fashion. Be wary that they should still be satiated with items before destruction in order to take full advantage of their summoning.

Also note that it is slightly more beneficial to summon green UFOs compared to red:

* 1 green UFO = 1.33 bombs. 1 red UFO = 0.5 lives.

* Each green UFO gives at least one immediately useful full bomb item.

* 6 green UFOs = 8 bombs. 6 red UFOs = 3 lives (6 full bombs).

* If a player uses all of their bombs before dying, going for green UFOs potentially gives them 33% more full bombs.
* Note, however, that dying will also clear the screen of bullets. Thus, a player who has summoned 6 red UFOs can fail to dodge 9 times compared with the green player's 8. This is usually a less attractive option because of power loss and reduced versatility.

Barring some exceptions, a character's bomb is generally powerful enough to quickly deplete the HP of most spellcards. By methodically summoning green UFOs, a player should be able to bomb through (nearly) every problematic attack, allowing an easier victory. Green UFOs also allow a marginally better score increase, although it's pointless to use them for that purpose. However, if a player is inexperienced with both deciding a good bombing opportunity and using bombs reactively (deathbombing), going for red UFOs instead may have its merit.
LittleMagic_old
many highscore players use mostly rainbow ufos. So it won't be useless after all.
On Stage 5,6 its pretty useless, if you use rainbow ufos. Loosing very much scores :P
Zekira
But Stage 5 has a shitload of Power Items, it's actually kinda amusing to use Rainbow UFOs there.
Gabi
think someone posted this a few pages back, but i just can't stop lolling at SYAMEIMARU

Arusha Shuna
haha yeah stage 5, i can't even pass stage 3
i always died/bombed on stage 2 boss (i forgot the name) last spell, does that spell even has a safe spot?
rayxdgreatx

Arusha Shuna wrote:

haha yeah stage 5, i can't even pass stage 3
i always died/bombed on stage 2 boss (i forgot the name) last spell, does that spell even has a safe spot?
hai aru :3

Kogasa? yeah, that spell is really hard... i managed to evade one wave by moving straight into the gap between two bullets

...but I never captured that card. too hard. you have to keep moving.

btw, are Last Words supposed to be easier than Extra Stages?
LittleMagic_old
Kogasa ... KOGASA!!!
Only because of her in Hard/Lunatic, i changed perm my mind.: TH12 is the hardest game ever -.-
Her last spell is easy ... well at least on hard. Lunatic = omg

But Kogasa is Cirno-likish after all for lunatic players D:
Arusha Shuna

LittleMagic wrote:

Her last spell is easy ... well at least on hard. Lunatic = omg
you and your mad skills :o
Zekira
Is it that umbrella train thing?

If it is, then basically the way to do it is short horizontal streaming while moving a bit forward and back. Err wait, I can't explain it better. I just do this: go to the direction on the train that's incoming but put yourself sufficiently in the middle so that you minimize the need to move horizontally; only a few bullets actually pass the middle-horizontal path since the trains crowd the sides too much.
Arusha Shuna
Zekira so pro...
yes it worked well! thanks! :)

also i'm looking for a character in TH12 that is "beginner friendly"

i'm using ReimuA but it didn't work quite well like i play ReimuB in TH07
so any suggestions? since i don't understand jap very well, crappy internet took forever to DL the patch :o

...or maybe i'm just lazy
Zekira
Sanae-B got me to Stage 6 on the first time I tried it out, maybe try that or something, I dunno; TH12's pretty hard on its own. If you consider there's actually no beginner's shot type on this one; for each character there exists one shot type that will help against Shou and another one that helps against Murasa. Or you can also simply segregate them as area-shot and the other as focused-shot. Sanae-B just happens to be able to fulfill both of those roles, for some odd reason, not to mention she has the longest invisible time from bomb too.

I use Marisa-A because... well, it's Marisa and is actually the only speed that I can actually make sense out of. I just couldn't 1CC Normal using Marisa-B because Murasa's being a bitch, but then again with Marisa-A I have major problems with Shou for some odd reason.

Also to remind that, unlike the early Touhou, the bombs are actually similar in role to its shot type. E.G. TH07 Marisa-A has focused shot type with a spread-type bomb, and Marisa-B has area shot type and powered bomb, while in TH12 Marisa-A gets both the focused shot type and powered bomb.
Arusha Shuna
oh GOD you're damn helpful :)
thx for the tip Zekira :D, i'll work something out
Zekira
KayMemoria
Barrel Roll nullifies pain....lol
Arusha Shuna
barrel roll. it deflect bullets...
rayxdgreatx
Guys, are Last Words hard?

Some of them seem pretty easy to me...

EDIT:

I CAN'T BELIEVE IT.
I JUST BEAT RAN!

...with zero lives remaining. :P

http://replays.gensokyo.org/download.php?id=9064
Zekira
Some of them seem pretty easy to me...
Except Fantasy Motherfucking Heaven, Unseasonable Butterfly, and Saigyouji Flawless Nirvana, they're pretty much easy with around 20 minutes of practice.

Now go and get a few more spellcards and unlock Phantasm :D (you'll need at least 60 in the Results->Spell Cards record page) Trust me, since you've cleared Extra, Phantasm wouldn't take too long to clear.
rayxdgreatx

Zekira wrote:

Unseasonable Butterfly
...wait what? that was one of the hard ones? no wonder I only captured it on the 300th try :o

http://replays.gensokyo.org/download.php?id=9061

ugh, and the win was lucky, as well.

Zekira wrote:

Now go and get a few more spellcards and unlock Phantasm :D (you'll need at least 60 in the Results->Spell Cards record page) Trust me, since you've cleared Extra, Phantasm wouldn't take too long to clear.
Awkey XD
Jinxy
aya

rayxdgreatx

JInxyjem wrote:

aya
⑨ videos

Ayayayaya...

*danmaku'd*
Zekira
Roflol, hahaha
Zekira
Oh god, hahahahaha!

http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm10124909

(can't find it on YT)

I never expected a MAD of this song, seriously. Is Nitori's song really that memorable... because I totally lol'd at this.

DON DON DON DON DON DON DOOOOOON DON DOOOON
LittleMagic_old
XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

OMFG FULL COMBO!! XD
*LOLOLOLOL*
Shiftyness13
New update for Kaguya Table that makes it so Enlightenment doesn't take forever. I think I'm going to get back into this :3
Arusha Shuna
...i... don't get that vid...

blame me for never played any taiko no tatsujin

EDIT : ok never mind above. How the fuck am i going to kill this thing?
Jinxy
This took me MUCH TOO LONG than it should have.


In other words, I just made my own Bomb Spellcard. Its a drill.
Zekira
And finally you decided to make your own spellcards lol.

Me? Actually, I kinda revolve too much around spellcards in such a way that I'm useless without them :/
Faust

JInxyjem wrote:

This took me MUCH TOO LONG than it should have.

[attachment=0:d92f9]Burner Ver Spell Card.png[/attachment:d92f9]
In other words, I just made my own Bomb Spellcard. Its a giant stick of Pocky.
- Fixed.
rayxdgreatx
Ugh... It's so hard to get those 60 spellcards

"All characters combined" mean that every character contributes to the 60 spellcards of do I need to complete 60 spellcards total with any character?

anyway, tried Moko-tan's stage. The first spells are easy. Then I got to Honest Man's Death which requires precise timing, Phoenix Tail which is really thick, and Fujiyama Volcano which is unavoidable for me without using any bombs. Died on the latter.

Btw, I also replayed StB and got 35 scenes cleared some time after that.
Zekira
60 unique spellcards for all characters combined. Basically what you would want to do is clear Normal/Easy again but with a better run this time, then clear Easy/Normal. After that spend some more time trying to capture more cards in Extra. If that still doesn't cut it then you have no choice but to capture some cards on Hard. Remember that you have to save the score record in order to register that the spellcard was captured.

But I only cleared Normal, Hard, and Extra to obtain Phantasm. I'm not sure how many cards there are in the diffs. anyway, but at least all the cards in each difficulty are unique.
Arusha Shuna
i f2'ed the song select screen and...
what the hell happened!?

look at the song title at the top-left corner

and it happens... AGAIN!


i swear i didn't change any BG in those 2 song's folders
alice really wanna sing eh?

EDIT : whoops looks like the 1st and 2nd pic got swapped, oh well who cares :P
Zekira
She won't stop until she remembers the lyrics, rofl
-SiN-
Fight69
Oh god, too much Suwako ! xD

-SiN-
Datenko



http://alha.web.fc2.com/1day/index.html

- smack Tenshi ~ left click
- save Chen ~ right click
- ignore Ran
Jinxy
Is there any way to control what hits Tenshi? Repeated No Entry sign spammage would be awesome.
Zekira
Has anyone tried that 'MoF Phantasm Stage' made by some guys from NV?

http://firestorage.jp/index.cgi?act=dow ... moff=21953

Pass: inubashiri

It has an executable file along with it so it should be simple. As you can expect it has the qualities of an Extra Stage. Fairies include: EoSD Ultra's Opening Fairies, some of MoF's Extra Fairies, and sturdier versions of Stage 4 fairies.

At the moment I keep crashing when I get to the midboss, but Imma try running it with AppLocale later and see the results.

For anyone who wants to play this on a gamepad or fullscreen, you can modify config.txt:

//ƒL[ƒRƒ“ƒtƒBƒO
3 //shot
2 //bom
4 //slow
9 //skip

/
/
//Œø‰Ê‰¹‚̉¹—ÊÝ’è (‰Šú’l100)
100
/
/
//‰æ–ʃTƒCƒY‚Ì•ÏX 640/960/1280‚©‚炨‘I‚Ñ‚­‚¾‚³‚¢ (0‚È‚çƒtƒ‹ƒXƒNƒŠ[ƒ“)
960

/
/
ƒRƒ“ƒtƒBƒO‚͈Èã‚ÅI—¹‚Å‚·
First bolded section corresponds to the gamepad support setup. Second bolded section is for the resolution; setting it to 0 will put you at fullscreen.

I have no idea what the 3rd and 4th configurations are though.

Not gonna spoil what this stage contains, but I'm pretty sure you figured it out already...?

EDIT: Crap, even with AppLocale, it still crashes on midboss >_> but some people actually got to run it until the end... I'm currently asking what they did, though I might resort to entirely switching my comp's local to Nihon temporarily
UtsukimiJerry
haven't post here for a while. so here's a video of a fight between me and my friend on PoFV. I was using lyrica

LittleMagic_old
hm... on your own pc or trough i-net? because i want to play with adonis too @.@
Zekira
I'm also one of the few people who still play TH09 and do use Adonis. Maybe we can kill each other sometime lol
LittleMagic_old
but my problem is, my connection is always worse >.<
Zekira

LittleMagic wrote:

but my problem is, my connection is always worse >.<
Lol, I can't even connect properly to people in my country at some times OTL we have one of the worst internet in the entire world >_>

But it still doesn't hurt to try lol
UtsukimiJerry
there was some lag during the gameplay but we managed to play the game.

and we played another game. lunasa vs lyrica. I was lyrica. and I hate lunasa's pattern. her pattern is like closing in and try to squeeze your space and force you to run away or bomb.
Zekira
Lunasa has two situations: it's either she owns the opponent or her own extra attacks backfire at her much like how it tries to corner you.

For this reason, fast charging characters are one thing that Lunasa doesn't want to face. Reimu and Aya do this well.

Aya especially since her fast speed means that she'll be fast enough to get to the middle and top of the screens and divert her extra attacks upward and sidewards instead of sideways.

Here's a quick replay of Aya vs. Lunasa [Lunatic] with me using Aya:

Download: th9_udQuicky.osu

Just change the file extension since for some odd reason gensokyo.org's PoFV replay uploader is freaked up at the moment.
UtsukimiJerry
so I tried using aya yesterday but failed. I can't seem to properly control fast movers. but yes I do see that lunasa's attack can backfire itself. maybe some more training with him and I think I am good enough to beat him when using aya.

also komachi's attack is just..whoa..
Zekira
also komachi's attack is just..whoa..
It may be fast and really spread out, but it actually has one of the easiest dodging methods; simply hug the lower wall and you *should* be able to anticipate the holes in them much easier.

Also, Komachi likes combining slow and fast bullets more than anyone else in PoFV, so be wary of that.
UtsukimiJerry
hmm I'll try to. also we did try playing using chiruno. and I won. he asked me this question

is it possible to combine the 4th gauge spell and the 3rd gauge spell
Zekira
is it possible to combine the 4th gauge spell and the 3rd gauge spell
It is completely possible; take note that you don't need to use up a gauge to cast a spell. All you need is to get your B-Point up to 100000/300000/500000. Once you cross those marks, a level 4 spell will automatically occur, and THEN you can cast your level 3 spell. If you cross 500000 but you're in the middle of a level 4 spell, a level 3 spell will automatically occur, and then you can release ANOTHER level 3 spell.

Put your B-Points higher, and your gauge fills up swifter and swifter. In higher difficulties (maybe even Easy, given that both players are doing really good), Marisa has the ability to infinitely cast level 2 spellswhen she hits 999990, provided that the player can get 100+ combo for every level 2 spell she releases.
LittleMagic_old
lol finally i checked, how I'll gain very fast Dream MAX on TH05 XD But still sucking at dying at Yumeko on Hard ;(
Jinxy
So I started of the Firered version of touhoumon because I didn't want to grindfest on Emerald. And:



What the hell?


EDIT: Great. Just great. Was aiming for a Last Word Alice but then I screwed up and got myself the one that could only become Final Alice.


EDIT2: You're too evil. Here's a rainbow!



Seriously though, Dark Rumia is freaky.
Randy96
On my Touhoumon, I barely trained any other Touhou besides my starter. Bad mistake, because now I can't pass the Elite 4. :(
-SiN-
Zekira
Oh gods what;

I played UFO Normal 6 times in a row (and I tell you I don't think it was healthy for my eyes) using all the different shot types. And here are my end results:

ReimuA - Stage 5, got killed off by Shou's last card
ReimuB - Stage 5, got killed off by Shou's last card
MarisaA - 1CC
MarisaB - Stage 5, got killed off by Shou's last card
SanaeA - Stage 5, got killed off by Shou's last card
SanaeB - Stage 5, got killed off by Shou's last card

Absurd, really, seeing as how MarisaA is the only shot type I can 1CC it with... it's not like the bullets get any different o_O

I feel like I'm under-bombing when using the spread shot types though >_> I only use up my 7293484896 bombs when I'm on my last life lol
Jinxy
I've never actually instinct bombed before. It was either I died at a part so many times I tell myself "Get ready to bomb" when I reach it, or else I would never actually press "x" on any card.
LittleMagic_old


no Death on Stage 5 in TH12 Normal but stupidly, my sound on this video doesn't fit o_o
Zekira
Lol, less than 2% of the people I know who play UFO use Marisa-B <_<
LittleMagic_old
uff Marisa B... Died with her on Stage 5 Midboss on Lunatic D:
Her Shoot is great XD but it sucks with low power ._.
Bomb ... useless o_o

Iit was a stupid lunatic run thoug. Sucking Score only because i bombed like an idiot o.o
Zekira
Bomb ... useless o_o
Oh god no; it's the best way to easily circle the map and collect UFO/point items everywhere! Since TH12 doesn't really reduce your score for bombing unlike many of the other games, you can pretty much bomb for points if you think that a lot of the point items are falling down too fast (e.g. if you kill too many things in Stage 5 and there's no UFO activated)

Plus, if a unit such as a boss eats every bullet that comes from Marisa-B's options (which is done by going really really near the unit), its power is actually a bit more powerful than Marisa-A. Of course this is difficult to pull off, but at least if you have invisibility time (shoot while bombing), you can somehow abuse this lol.

I agree that you might not get the most fabulous scores using Marisa-B, but at least you get to fuck Shou for free using it :D
LittleMagic_old
For me, her bomb is really the worst only because of the Power. I lost mostly UFO's (the big one xD) because it survived even I have bombed it. (I just let it collecting much point items, so its mostly escapes, but if I beat it before -> bigger score)

I just like strong bombs ^^"
Zekira
For UFO killing:

-Activate Bomb
-Approach the freaking UFO and eliminate it with your invis time

Basically the only way to make the bomb useful outside of movement is by abusing its invisibility.
Lybydose
MarisaB's bomb is awesome because it DOESN'T kill UFOs. It damages them JUST enough that you can finish them in like one hit, but also kills all the faeries on the screen, letting you easily fill the UFO.
Zekira
t damages them JUST enough that you can finish them in like one hit
But if one can't maneuver right, MarisaB's spreadshot will accidentally kill the UFO too early; I've had this problem many times rofl, but really the bomb is so worth it when trying to clear the screen
Jinxy
http://sg.news.yahoo.com/afp/20100704/t ... b2fc3.html

Using a instrument-laden probe, Kaguya, which was placed in orbit around the Moon in 2007, the team found abundant signatures of the mineral in concentric rings in three big crater regions.
Wait, what?
Cyclone
Kaguya wasn't thought up by ZUN. Kaguya-hime is a character in japanese folklore. She's a moon princess there too.
Zekira
Pretty much 'Kaguya' is the first name that comes up for most Japanese when talking about the moon. That legend is actually very popular; even I know it lol
Jinxy
Ah.
Yeah I was thinking it was too coincidental so I went to google Kaguya. It only returned me Kaguya, the touhou kind.
LittleMagic_old

TH12 Lunatic is normal...? I messed it really up XD

Really ... Hacks which makes the game harder is extremly funny XD
Zekira
BYAKUREN ON DRUGS

Or that's secretly Aya in disguise lol
LittleMagic_old
I actually wonder, what happens, if this happens to Aya's Surviving spell in TH10... Would you able to see her though that speed? XD

*still have to find the correct files for the TH10 hacks*
Btw these hacks was actually the way, how they made TH06 Ultra

The only problem: Everything is on japanese ... so XD but it's easy to understand after all :3
Jinxy

Zekira wrote:

BYAKUREN ON NAMUSAN
Fixed
LittleMagic_old
damn :/ it seems, that there is no hacks for bullets in MoF :/ Well ... then i mess arround with SA XD

LOL!!! Do Never hack on Kogasas fist spell in Extra. It let Windows crash! XDDD
Zekira
LONGCHEN

LittleMagic_old
CHEEEEEENNN!!! It's too cute XDDDD

btw: Houjou Nue is nice to humans during the conversation :3
Zekira
-SiN-
Uh, That's a bit much. Don't post shit like that. -Cyclone
LittleMagic_old
help ...?

WTF is Yuka doing here @.@
oddysea682
I just started playing touhou double spoiler but im having trouble on 1-6. I cant pass it because I have never played touhou, but I just started. any tips? :?
Zekira
Don't start with TH12.5 or TH9.5.

Play either TH07, 08, or 10 first :/
Neo@lex
No, start with 1.
Then play 2.
Then 3.
Then 4.
Then 5.
Then 8.
Then 11.
Don't worry about the rest.
Cyclone
You left out 7 just because of me, didn't you?
Azure_Kite

Cyclone wrote:

You left out 7 just because of me, didn't you?
It's an Anti-Cyc conspiracy, man~
Gabi
start with 12.3
Zekira
Then 11.
Why include crap :<

(yes I totally did not like TH11)
LittleMagic_old
oddysea682
Well what about tohou 8 or 11? are they any good and witch one?
MLGnom
What about "STG Moedan" if you want start with danmaku. D:
LittleMagic_old
Touhou 8 = Easy
Touhou 11 = Very Hard

:3

STG Moedan is also a good opinion (I never played it XD")
oddysea682
well can I get the link to touhou 8 and english patch
Zekira
It's against the rules to give a link to a commercial game :/ But you can find the English patch here:

http://touhou.wikia.com/index.php?title ... .html%23IN
KayMemoria

Zekira wrote:

It's against the rules to give a link to a commercial game :/ But you can find the English patch here:

http://touhou.wikia.com/index.php?title ... .html%23IN
Im kogasa'd you haven't said google
UtsukimiJerry

oddysea682 wrote:

well can I get the link to touhou 8 and english patch
you can google it. or by finding it at another website (Do not want to post it here) try pm'ing someone who always lurks in this topic
Jinxy

KayMemoria wrote:

Im kogasa'd you haven't said google
Kogasa cannot surprise people. Your argument is invalid.
Zekira
That's the joke

(...as far as I know Kazu :/ IDK)
-SiN-
i thought Touhou Skyfight is going to be fighting game but this is going to be fun... maybe

http://area-zero.net/product/skyfight/movie.html
LittleMagic_old
They should include more playable characters, not 4 ~.~
Gameplay looks nice, maybe it's really fun.
I'll test it :P
UtsukimiJerry
I would totally play it. it looks both cute and fun to play. and like Littlemagic said, it needs more characters
Gabi
i don't get what the game play goes out on judging by the video, are you supposed to kill your friends by bouncing on their heads?
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