Navizel wrote:

@mod, do we only get to detect adjacent neighbors if we didn't do anything?

Haneii wrote:

Sorry for being suspicious over the fact that you're taunting PRs. Not to mention your fascination with N1 (in a game that looks like it roles are day specific.)

Ace Timing wrote:

is that RVS or naw?

Setsuen wrote:

That and I don't fake roleclaim. Unless of course no one wants to remember that UPick where i claimed my exact role.

Setsuen wrote:

also FYI most of Haneii post are about him not trusting me bc of possible WIFOM and my claim. But if you look closely into the intention behind his post he's just trying to "passively"point town into the direction of MLing on me which is what a scum would do.(and Haneii obv haven't seen Lapus)
I am so going to heavily check whichever scum is dumb enough to side with Haneei on my BW.

Amianki wrote:

What exactly is wrong with my statement?

Haneii wrote:

Sorry for being suspicious over the fact that you're taunting PRs. Not to mention your fascination with N1 (in a game that looks like it roles are day specific. Are you even a miller? Is your role day specific?)

Zexion wrote:

Can you rewrite this? I swear I didn't get half of it. ML-ing? BW?

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

Just wondering, how does this game look like its roles are day specific?

Zexion wrote:

We all should drop the Miller claim for now. It's obvious that we won't get anything out of it right now and while it does bring a good lot of WIFOM (man, and it's already setsuen so its like WIFOM^2) I don't think we can do anything about this right now. Night-specific miller sounds kinda bastard and I seriously think we should discard it.

Navizel wrote:

I don't know. I just don't like it. I don't think it would help town to waste a night on a claimed miller when there are others which is more suspicious than Setsuen.

Navizel wrote:

Amianki wrote:

What exactly is wrong with my statement?

I don't know. I just don't like it. I don't think it would help town to waste a night on a claimed miller when there are others which is more suspicious than Setsuen.

Amianki wrote:

Miller is an anti-town role that is one of the biggest WIFOM-magnets you can have in a game. Just being able to determine whether it's true or not will basically save us a lynch by itself since miller claims are a PL if they stay alive and unconfirmed.

Ace Timing wrote:

Is there even a point in investigating a miller claim? Either way it'll turn up mafia, don't see what could come of investigating it.

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

Also, sLaiNi, are you doublevoter just for today?

sLaiNi wrote:

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

Also, sLaiNi, are you doublevoter just for today?

In what way would it help if I tell you?

Ace Timing wrote:

Is there even a point in investigating a miller claim? Either way it'll turn up mafia, don't see what could come of investigating it.

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

I want an answer before I say.

Navizel wrote:

sLaiNi are you town

Navizel wrote:

sLaiNi are you town

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

Navizel wrote:

sLaiNi are you town

Navizel this isn't Jess :^(

Setsuen wrote:

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

Tbh most of the games I've seen of rEdo he doesn't exactly post much, so this isn't a good reason to vote him, imo, at least not yet.

MagicBomb confirm no play enough game with scum Navizel.

Ace Timing wrote:

In light of this revelation
vote: Amianki

Navizel wrote:

sLaiNi are you town

Zexion wrote:

Please explain this. Where's this revelation? Since no one asked it must have been obvious yet I missed it.

Ace Timing wrote:

Is there even a point in investigating a miller claim? Either way it'll turn up mafia, don't see what could come of investigating it.

Ace Timing wrote:

In light of this revelation
vote: Amianki

Frostings wrote:

Unvote

I can't get any solid reads on people right now (I know, pretending to be active without actually doing anything)

I'll write down what I think so far at least.
sLaiNi seems a little townish to me, he seems open-minded a bit, though it's my first game with him so I'll be careful
Navi seemingly trying to take charge of this game, quite different from his other games. Maybe because of this post:

Setsuen wrote:

MagicBomb confirm no play enough game with scum Navizel.

MB playing typical cautious town again, similar to his scum play from our last game.

Amianki with his unexplained vote like always, and Setsuen...being Setsuen

Vote: Magic Bomb

Drezi wrote:

It doesn't really make a difference whether you actually liked your last game or not, the point is you had difficulty actually contributing. Your posts were mostly filler jokes, remarks and excuses, and it's no different here.

Drezi wrote:

The miller thing has been talked to death, and now all you have to say is repeat that, and vote Amianki, when he didn't even suggest copping Setsuen obviously.

Drezi wrote:

Also in the Hoenn game we had a rolecop (aswell as a normal cop), and we've talked about rolecops here aswell before your vote, and you're saying you weren't aware of the existence of such a role...

Drezi wrote:

Wow, that huge overreaction. I never even said anything about your play in the Hoenn game. I don't even think I need to finish reading this.

Frostings wrote:

Anyways, everyone hop on my wagon against easy scumread MB
I have free cookies

Ace Timing wrote:

Its not even that I'm not contributing or anything, I literally had two posts and was away from the computer the entire day, and you voted me. I try and satisfy the people asking me vote, and you find that scummy.

You claim I'm not contributing, but I haven't contributed in any game I've been in except the newbie game, and I'm literally just not posting. There are other people who aren't contributing just as much as me, such as farto. But you focus on me over a fucking joke. It's really stupid, and it bothers me. It was even mentioned in either the Hoenn or GIM game that it would be interesting if Jess and Setsuen where put in the same game. I was simply making a reference to that, it has nothing to do with my level of contribution or quality of posts here, a simple joke. I was at a library the entire day today and basically could not post, as posting from the phone is just a pain. And I don't think I've made any reaction jokes other than my confirm which is completely fucking unrelated to my alignment. You're just finding something to lynch me on over nothing really. It's a bother having to deal with people like that, cause when you make an actual response to satisfy them, they just find more and more problems until it leads to a mislynch or being driven to roleclaim at L-1 to discover they were a cop or doctor and then the PR gets lost over something completely fucking meaningless. Someone will probably find some problem with this little rant and it will lead absolutely fucking nowhere and it just wastes time. It's really frustrating to be constantly scumread, but its even more aggravating when you get scumread over something stupid like a joke post. At least I fucking know now that joke posts are inherently scummy and I should probably never make any ever again. Great lesson sensei, I will cherish this one.

Drezi wrote:

I think repeating stuff over and over is a theme of Setsuen himself

Navizel wrote:

Amianki wrote:

What exactly is wrong with my statement?

I don't know. I just don't like it. I don't think it would help town to waste a night on a claimed miller when there are others which is more suspicious than Setsuen.

Setsuen wrote:

Or I could actually be Town PR and Haneii is baiting me to out my real role. Makes you wonder why Haneii is trying so hard to tunnel on me when 1.It's difficult to get a mislynch off me D1 bc of possible WIFOM anyway and 2.My possible WIFOM rekt mafia(in this case invaders) when I am town.

Zexion wrote:

I hope that rEdo's didn't notice Ace's lack of contribution when he posted or else I'll have to worry.

Ace Timing wrote:

Stuff.

rEdo wrote:

Tell me how she would know that you're fakeclaiming miller. Or maybe you're just not a miller in the end?

pieguy1372 wrote:

I actually need to do some other stuff and haven't read the past 3 pages in-depth. I'll be back in a few hours.

rEdo wrote:

Does that mean you're townreading Setsuen? Why?

pieguy1372 wrote:

vote: sLaiNi

Zexion might also be scum. Drezi maybe town.

free town points to the first person who correctly guesses why I made this vote.

Drezi wrote:

Do you find any other people suspicious Haneii?

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

Haneii wrote:

Sorry for being suspicious over the fact that you're taunting PRs. Not to mention your fascination with N1 (in a game that looks like it roles are day specific.)

Just wondering, how does this game look like its roles are day specific?

Setsuen wrote:

FYI Navizel don't have to town read me to state that. I feel like you're twisting her words.

Navizel wrote:

why you do this

Haneii wrote:

@Setsuen: What do you think of rEdo?

rEdo wrote:

Nice point, by the way. I like the fact you're cautious.

Now when I think about this, scum could be selecting kills so they can scumpaint people. Let's say scum is in [7], then the team could kill [6] and [8] and say "hey, [7] is completety unhearable nao, scum pls b0ss!!!!".

Setsuen wrote:

@Mod: In the first place does the invaders have day chat.

Setsuen wrote:

@Mod: In the first place does the invaders have day chat.

Frostings wrote:

nice attempt at townslip :^)

Setsuen wrote:

I can probably come up with a few reasons why I can scum read everyone here.

Setsuen wrote:

Nice attempt at filler post to make it seem like you're actually doing something.
Also oddly enough you were quite "passive"about my claim and didn't try to stop people from continuing the senseless discussion on how valid my claim was despite the fact that you're more active than majority of the current players.

Setsuen wrote:

Were you perhaps hoping to EXTEND the discussion of my role so that you can fake that you're doing something by randomly accusing other people?

Setsuen wrote:

Possible scum who tries to avoid any 1v1 with me by only posting neutral comment bc if not they might be lynched.

Haneii wrote:

Saying that, I still would love to hear all the scummy things everyone in this game has done so far. Would definitely be helpful to see it from your view (considering I'm getting more town and null reads than scum).

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

Seeing as no one has got it yet, you should probably just tell us now. I see no reason to hide it seeing as no one is trying to guess anymore.

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

why does this post give me the feeling we have a jester

Frostings wrote:

I think everyone, regardless of alignment, will try to avoid ANY 1v1 with you Setsuen

Ace Timing wrote:

Is there even a point in investigating a miller claim? Either way it'll turn up mafia, don't see what could come of investigating it.

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

On the other hand I agree with this post a lot, judging him based on joke posts is not really a good idea, he's not contributed much at all, but at the same time, neither have a few other people in this game. Whilst this feels like an overreaction, I don't really get any feels that he is scum from this post, the way it's worded makes me feel like he is town.

Ace Timing wrote:

There are other people who aren't contributing just as much as me, such as farto. But you focus on me over a fucking joke. It's really stupid, and it bothers me.

Setsuen wrote:

@Mod:prod pieguy the noob

Setsuen wrote:

I'm going to sleep so lets start with MagicBomb

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

Seeing as no one has got it yet, you should probably just tell us now. I see no reason to hide it seeing as no one is trying to guess anymore.

Amazing how Magic is still asking pie about this AFTER I stated that pie hasn't said anything for an ENTIRE DAY. Instead of asking the mod to prod pie.
That said
@Mod:prod pieguy the noob

Setsuen wrote:

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

why does this post give me the feeling we have a jester

Pointless post and seriously this kind of post is what scum says a LOT in the hundreds of EpicMafia game I played. Guys don't lynch X they might be mafia. Guys there might be fool don't do this. 10/10

Setsuen wrote:

Then we move on to the fact that MagicBomb has targetted slani a lot which is QUITE SIMILAR to Frosting who started targeted MagicBomb. I seriously doubt it''s a new fad where people randomly FOS one person for the entire D1.

Ace Timing wrote:

unvote
Last fucking time I ever vote someone who isn't obv scum.

Drezi wrote:

@sLaiNi: I really don't think hiding your passive doublevoting ability is a good idea as town, and you shouldn't want to just surprise hammer someone anyway.

I don't really agree with his thought process and behavior concerning his doublevoting ability at all, but looking at that only I didn't feel it was coming from scum.
What I didn't like is the exchange starting here: p/4424063
Farto tells Setsuen "LIES" and sLaiNi's sarcastic tone in the followup post gave me the impression that he doesn't really buy the claim either, yet when farto said he doesn't actually think Setsuen is lying, sLaiNi went on to agree "but still worth keeping an eye on" kinda taking a step back at the same time. So if you detailed your thoughts a bit more here sLaiNi, that'd be welcome.

Navizel wrote:

Drezi wrote:

@sLaiNi: I really don't think hiding your passive doublevoting ability is a good idea as town, and you shouldn't want to just surprise hammer someone anyway.

I don't really agree with his thought process and behavior concerning his doublevoting ability at all, but looking at that only I didn't feel it was coming from scum.
What I didn't like is the exchange starting here: p/4424063
Farto tells Setsuen "LIES" and sLaiNi's sarcastic tone in the followup post gave me the impression that he doesn't really buy the claim either, yet when farto said he doesn't actually think Setsuen is lying, sLaiNi went on to agree "but still worth keeping an eye on" kinda taking a step back at the same time. So if you detailed your thoughts a bit more here sLaiNi, that'd be welcome.

quoting because why not
Apparently I didn't post my thoughts regarding that exchange. This caught my eye as well and it's one of the reasons I'm voting sLaiNi.

Ace Timing wrote:

I wanna hear more from farto and rEdo, and I'm almost completely ignoring Setsuen for now. He seems delusional with some posts tbh.

Ace Timing wrote:

@Mod: are alignments chosen after role?

Setsuen wrote:

We all know what CB and Navizel did D1 on Lupus. They even tried 2V1.

Ace Timing wrote:

I'm almost completely ignoring Setsuen for now. He seems delusional with some posts tbh.

Frostings wrote:

I actually have a real reason for my vote on MB because EVERYONE townread him since the start of Day1 in the last game, and he got a free pass to endgame because he wasn't pressured ONCE

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

Whether someone has posted for an entire day or not, does not change the fact that they can read through the thread when they are here, and answer the question, it's not like if he answers a day later it's gonna affect his reason.


Erm... when have I targetted slalni at all? All I've done is ask him whether his doublevote was just for today or whether it was all time, which could be very bad for town in future days if we didn't know.

You seem to be making an attempt to read the game, but at the same time, your scumhunting ability is being kinda slowed down by your paranoia. Don't read everyone as scum, not everyone is scum. Rather than going through your reasons for scum reading every person however, could we just have a list of the most suspicious to least? Then we can just ask if we want to know the reasonings for your suspicions on a specific person.

Frostings wrote:

[
No, literally no one knows what CB and Navizel did D1 on Lupus actually

Amianki wrote:

I'm pretty sure the entire point of getting into a pissing war with you on Lupus was to apathy out the game. I don't remember exactly what the cause of us getting lynched was, but I do remember thinking that you had less to do with it than you think.

Navizel wrote:

I don't even remember what we did on Lupus lmao.

This is another post to remind everyone that meta is not everything. If it is, scums could just kill Setsuen N1 and then shift the blame on to me because I usually kill Setsuen N1.

Frostings wrote:

man, the content in this game sucks
town better step it up so we can start pressuring real lurkers and stop them from getting a free pass D1
The vote count is also trash, scum intentionally has the votes spread out so we don't pressure anyone

everyone take out your weak post-RVS votes and form a real wagon so we can actually move this game forward
I actually have a real reason for my vote on MB because EVERYONE townread him since the start of Day1 in the last game, and he got a free pass to endgame because he wasn't pressured ONCE

Frostings wrote:

I actually have a real reason for my vote on MB because EVERYONE townread him since the start of Day1 in the last game, and he got a free pass to endgame because he wasn't pressured ONCE

Setsuen wrote:

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

Whether someone has posted for an entire day or not, does not change the fact that they can read through the thread when they are here, and answer the question, it's not like if he answers a day later it's gonna affect his reason.


Erm... when have I targetted slalni at all? All I've done is ask him whether his doublevote was just for today or whether it was all time, which could be very bad for town in future days if we didn't know.

You seem to be making an attempt to read the game, but at the same time, your scumhunting ability is being kinda slowed down by your paranoia. Don't read everyone as scum, not everyone is scum. Rather than going through your reasons for scum reading every person however, could we just have a list of the most suspicious to least? Then we can just ask if we want to know the reasonings for your suspicions on a specific person.

You decided not to ask the mod to prod pieguy after my rant of him not being on for an entire day. If that is not suspicious what is?
Also doesn't help that you asked in slani doublevote ability was today or not. It does not change the fact that you're focusing on people who claimed and are EASY to get a mislynch on(lets face it a lot of people were FOSing slani) and knowing whether slani can doublevote for the entire game is more beneficial for scum than town if slani is town due to the effects of WIFOM on scum.

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

I don't really understand how not asking someone for a prod is suspicious in any way, whether I ask it or not, he will see the question, and if he doesn't respond, I will ask again. Asking one question isn't focusing, and in fact is not even relevant to a scum read on slalni in any way. Tbh I kinda forgot anyone was even suspicious of him, at this stage I'm not (Although the fact he's gone into lurk mode suddenly seems strange). Knowing whether Slalni can doublevote for the whole game is beneficial to town considering it means that if for some reason we have great suspicions of someone D2, a lot of people may vote at once, and if Slalni is one, then we could get an unintentional quick hammer, which would be very bad for town, as even if the person we lynch flips scum, we have less time to talk in general.

Setsuen wrote:

slani won't quickhammer D2 if they're town if they dothey know they're going to be throwing the game bc we will lynch them D3 for that.

Ace Timing wrote:

And your self-centered opinion that everything involving you is relevant to the game is really annoying. Like not everything is something scum is plotting against you. It's beyond paranoia and its a pain to deal with.

Ace Timing wrote:

Why would I care about someone town reading me if the point is to find scum?

Would you like to share your town reads?

I'm also not trying to discredit you. I'm stating that I will not be taking your posts very seriously for future reference. I'm not the first person to say that either.

Setsuen wrote:

Town-reading Navizel for now
While Zexion post lean towards town I am paranoid about other people who say things such as "Quality post" and "Is this how people scum hunt now" bc this is what scum usually say in EpicMafia z.z


Frosting and Drezi seem town but lets face it. There's always one scum who somehow manage to trick people into thinking that they're town.

Ace Timing wrote:

I wanna hear more from farto and rEdo, and I'm almost completely ignoring Setsuen for now. He seems delusional with some posts tbh.

Ace Timing wrote:

So why'd you vote me if you are universally recognized as WIFOM wall? I'm not the first to tell you that.

Ace Timing wrote:

So why'd you vote me if you are universally recognized as WIFOM wall? I'm not the first to tell you that.

Ace Timing wrote:

I'm also not trying to discredit you. I'm stating that I will not be taking your posts very seriously for future reference. I'm not the first person to say that either.

Ace Timing wrote:

your self-centered opinion that everything involving you is relevant to the game is really annoying. Like not everything is something scum is plotting against you. It's beyond paranoia and its a pain to deal with.

Frostings wrote:

I actually have a real reason for my vote on MB because EVERYONE townread him since the start of Day1 in the last game, and he got a free pass to endgame because he wasn't pressured ONCE

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

I actually meant that there could be very quick votes in that case, and a hammer might be done without people realising Slalni had 2 votes, and him possibly forgetting to mention it.

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

I'm pretty sure you're town at this stage, however your constant scumpainting of, as you said yourself, everybody, is kinda suspicious.