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rEdo
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rEdo

Zexion wrote:

Sakura already said that theory and so far if your reason to suspect me being scum is a lack of comunication, then you're really lost. If you're accusing me for that then why not partner me with Ace or Jess? AFAIK I haven't had direct discussions with both of them so they may be well my scumparterns? (as I assume you're using that point because we try to "distance each other") Discrediting a vote towards someone its hardly proof that those two players have conections, or do we have to suspect you being someone's partner because Slaini's vote to Hika (now you) was really shady and someone (doesn't matter who now) pointed it was scummy?
Ace... I don't know, actually. Haven't really digged into this guy yet. I don't really think he should be dealt with in this stage of the game as he could be goddamn anything, like Jess.

Jess, on the other hand, doesn't talk with anyone at all and I'll be fucking mad if she turns out to be scum.

My reads (sLaiNi and Zexion) are pretty much a theory which I'm justifying by votecounts.

Zexion wrote:

@rEdo: Before you claim "yeah Slaini/Zexion confirmed beacuse Zexion's deflecting votes or asdf", take a look at Hika's posting. You can't tell me there's nothing wrong there. Now that I meantion it, I remember saying the same to SNB...
Bah, not confirming that yet.

sLaiNi wrote:

What are you going to learn if I flip town?
That there will be a high possibility that SNB is scum. I mean, the way he (she?) just hoped on your wagon was hilarious.

Zexion wrote:

Sakura proposed the same based on our interactions. I don't mean he's pushing the exact same theory (Sakura based it on me defending Slaini, but it seems rEdo is basing over our lack of comunication until that point), but rather, that me being scum with Slaini is not even an original idea of rEdo.
I figured it out in the middle of reading the whole thing, a few pages before Sakura posted it. And even if it didn't, I justified it with the votecounts, and they do matter in this case.

Drezi wrote:

I'm rereading the thread will detail rEdo posts, but I'll throw this out here. I think if sLaiNi is scum, he'll get lynched tomorrow no problem. Right now he's simply getting votes because of smaller questionable things, wordings etc, which COULD indicate scum, but it can just easily be attributed to being inexperienced, which makes the lynch weak overall.

I don't think the flip would give much information, because these reasions for wanting him lynched are pretty neutral, easy things to pick on, scum doesn't have to commit much "oh he did stupid stuff, he worded things badly I thought he was scum duh", and usually this is how town mislynches D1 go down, weaker town are happy that they can point at "suspicious" stuff and place their vote, and scum happily join.
omgus

Drezi wrote:

rEdo scum going a day longer on the other hand, could cause a mess, especially if I'm not around anymore, with their partner being the louder voices in town, getting town to go for some Jess or Ace lynch or whatever, the path of least resistance again.
Now that's interesting how you know Jess and Ace's alignment.

Why did you need Nyquill to write before elaborating your thoughts, by the way?
rEdo
809 posts
Joined November 2008
rEdo

rEdo wrote:

Zexion wrote:

@rEdo: Before you claim "yeah Slaini/Zexion confirmed beacuse Zexion's deflecting votes or asdf", take a look at Hika's posting. You can't tell me there's nothing wrong there. Now that I meantion it, I remember saying the same to SNB...
Bah, not confirming that yet.
When you look at other Hika's games, she's always been the type of person that keeps people paranoid because of lack of actual content.
Amianki
85 posts
Joined January 2011
Topic Starter
Amianki
Vote Count 1.10


[3] rEdo -- Drezi, Zexion, sLaiNi
[3] sLaiNi -- Navizel rEdo, Static Noise Bird
[1] Ace Timing -- -[Jess]-
[0] Zexion --
[0] -[Jess]- --
[0] Drezi --
[0] Navizel --
[0] Nyquill --
[0] Static Noise Bird --


[0] No Lynch -
Not Voting -- Ace Timing, Nyquill
With 9 alive, it's 5 to lynch.

Deadline is July 3 at 3:30PM CST (GMT-6). <-------- 14.5 HOURS FROM NOW

Static Noise Bird is V/LA until after day ends (July 5).

Note that the mod will be absent at deadline. It will still be enforced, but I will not be on this PC again until 2-3 hours after deadline hits Thanks for your patience in advance.
Drezi
217 posts
Joined January 2014
Drezi

rEdo wrote:

Drezi wrote:

rEdo scum going a day longer on the other hand, could cause a mess, especially if I'm not around anymore, with their partner being the louder voices in town, getting town to go for some Jess or Ace lynch or whatever, the path of least resistance again.
Now that's interesting how you know Jess and Ace's alignment.
This is EXACTLY what I'm talking about wrt the sLaiNi case. After I read my own post, I suspected someone might try to find fault with this, and of course it's rEdo :)

I simply picked two people who I don't think are scum with rEdo, and would be potential mislynch targets for a rEdo scumteam due to not being too experienced/widely townread.

And here you go making it out like I know their alignment, this is how bullshit cases can be made easily, without risking much. If anything scum is more likely to eliminate any misunderstandable stuff from their posts. We need to look for scum intention behind posts instead, and that I can see for Hika, and rEdo.
Drezi
217 posts
Joined January 2014
Drezi
Alright so:

rEdo wrote:

sLaiNi wrote:

That's so right. That is something I should definitly change. But that has nothing to do with me being scum, [...]
Am I missing something or is this a fucking scumclaim?
This again, I don't claim that pointing at stuff like this is scummy in itself or useless, but it's certainly not something I'd base a day's lynch on, and it's sort of an easy risk free tactic scum can resort to (since you use objective facts, not your opinion/reads so it can't really backfire, like making a shitty forced subjective read could).

rEdo wrote:

sLaiNi wrote:

I have to say that Jess' didn't contribute a lot. Still, I don't think we should vote her just now.
So I will vote Hika for known reasons. But as we aren't in a hurry it might be a good idea to wait for her replacement, wouldn't it?
So you said it'd be better to wait for a replacement, yet you voted her, okay.
This as been mentioned before, and has been explained. Bringing it up again just shows he hasn't really made an honest effort to read the thread, he just looked for things he could point fingers at.


rEdo wrote:

Like honestly, I don't really see a case against Hika except for being lurky as fuck and voting people for shiggles, but isn't that the same thing sLaiNi's been doing?
Again, this tells me he hasn't really read the thread, only looked for stuff he can attack OR he's just lazily dismissing everything I pointed out about Hika and is trying to shift stuff to sLaiNi instead.

"Isn't it the same what sLaiNi's been doing" is very weak of an excuse to supposedly clear yourself and then keep asking people:

rEdo wrote:

@everyone: Please tell me why a Hika/rEdo lynch is better than a sLaiNi lynch. Do you get any information from this except for actually checking Hika''s alignment? I don't think she talked with anyone, I believe there's just no links that you connect with her.
Except for actually checking Hika's alignment? Really? That's the laziest defense argument ever (and the explanation is VERY bland and generic), especially given that sLaiNi is the other option, and I think that would be the lynch with less information due to reasons I stated a post or two before. If you try to make a point like this you'd better prove that you sincerely believe it to be the case, and support it with good explanations.

As for sincerely believing that sLaiNi is the best lynch here... he keeps asking why we're not voting sLaiNi over him, yet he hasn't even voted sLaiNi himself until much later, only after I asked him. I really don't see his actions solidly reflecting his posts Nyquill.

If you go as far as to question others why their vote is not on X, than the minimum I'd expect is to have your own vote there, and not "wait for others" first. I just see it as fence sitting, and trying not to commit the vote until he sees if it looks like his best chance at getting someone else lynched.

rEdo wrote:

I'm really close to thinking this is a sLaiNi & Zexion scumteam, but I really need information to work with.
After the previous stuff, this is just bad, why would he appear to disregard the several things I pointed out before, if he needs information as much as he'd like us to believe? Looks fake.

rEdo wrote:

sLaiNi wrote:

What are you going to learn if I flip town?
That there will be a high possibility that SNB is scum. I mean, the way he (she?) just hoped on your wagon was hilarious.
Wow so you're setting up lynches too, HOW NICE, if we lynch town, than you'll tell us who we should lynch next, this is something scum is happy to do that's for sure.
SPOILER

rEdo wrote:

Drezi wrote:

I'm rereading the thread will detail rEdo posts, but I'll throw this out here...
omgus
I don't think you know what that means.
Navizel
2,982 posts
Joined April 2011
Navizel
So why are we not lynching anyone in D1
Drezi
217 posts
Joined January 2014
Drezi
Ace Jess and Nyquill need to use their votes.
-[Jess]-
1,086 posts
Joined March 2014
-[Jess]-
unvote
vote:rEdo

I am agree what Drezi said about rEdo.

About slaini.....let him live in D1 :^)maybe?
Navizel
2,982 posts
Joined April 2011
Navizel
We have plurality lynch in this game amirite
rEdo
809 posts
Joined November 2008
rEdo
lmao I'm actually eating the rope

I want you to lynch somebody from {Drezi, sLaiNi, Zexion} tomorrow. Either works, to be honest. I already stated my logic on sLaiNi-Zexion, Drezi just sucks balls.
rEdo
809 posts
Joined November 2008
rEdo
I wouldn't be surprised if he was scum afraid of sLaiNi flipping town and being paranoid about my turn-around on him at this point.

yes I'm mad
rEdo
809 posts
Joined November 2008
rEdo
Anyway I'm tired of elaborating everything to Drezi, since this guy once said

Drezi wrote:

If anything scum is more likely to eliminate any misunderstandable stuff from their posts.
and then he's just pointing out everything that might be a flaw in my process of thought, tellling me I'm scum. Fucking hypocrite.
Drezi
217 posts
Joined January 2014
Drezi

rEdo wrote:

Drezi just sucks balls.
You addressed my points quite nicely.

Also the nonexistent case you made on sLaiNi is of excellent quality (wait there was "guys why me, over him?")
rEdo
809 posts
Joined November 2008
rEdo
Just watch me flip town, you'll try to reverse back ALL the nonsense you're trying to fill my mouth with. If you are too fucking dumb to see stuff yourself, then it's your problem. Lead the town to despair. Good luck, I'm done.
Drezi
217 posts
Joined January 2014
Drezi
Your posts don't contain misunderstandable sentances, your posts show lack of proper reading of the thread, and fingerpointing at the most viable other wagon...
Drezi
217 posts
Joined January 2014
Drezi
You still have time to refute all the nonsense I'm filling your mouth with. If it indeed is, than it shouldn't be too hard.
Ace Timing
4 posts
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Ace Timing
Have we all forgotten all if the suspicious things that Slaini has done. Like his rolefishing in the middle of Sakura questioning me.

sLaiNi wrote:

Sakura wrote:

I can tell you didnt read his ISO, otherwise you'd have read this:
[quo.te="Navizel"]Heck, I could even claim right now that I am a jailkeeper.
But that's not what I was asking, try again.

Why are you so sure about his claim bring real?[/quote]
Not to mention the dodge that occurred right after being questioned on it

sLaiNi wrote:

I guess we have a big misscommunication there.

So just forget it. It won't bring us any further.
Pretty suspicious imo...

Another thing, assuming that rEdo and Slaini are both town, do you honestly expect that Slaini will be a great help in finding scum?

Pretty good for a mobile post eh?
Ace Timing
4 posts
Joined October 2014
Ace Timing
Had to fuck up the quotes so that it would post, but it should still be readable
Drezi
217 posts
Joined January 2014
Drezi
This is something I only wanted to post at twilight, so here it is.

An other reason for me wanting a rEdo lynch today is because I don't trust Sakura/Nyquill just yet. What I said about Sakura was true, but there are things that made me wary too.

That is, the way Sakura approached the idea of a Hika lynch was off. She just felt really reluctant to vote her and even more so to keep that vote there, and I didn't really think this reluctancy was justified based on the stregth of the alternatives even if she had that gut townread at first.

After the Navi stuff she voted sLaiNi first, then when things were explained she decided to throw a (at that time -) lurker vote on Ace, ignoring Hika until I specifically asked her about it, then questioned my read, only to admit a bit later that yeah she kinda gets what I'm saying, and voted Hika, but soon enough she moved her vote away based on a single apparently "bad" post:

Sakura wrote:

I think i should stay off this game until i wake up tomorrow, coz right now i feel like i want to hit someone.
I mean that reads posts was so bad im at a loss for words.
Unvote
Vote: Ace
Back here.
Maybe i'll sheep you again on Hika tomorrow or not, pending on Ace's replies.
Expressed intent to vote Hika but later:

Sakura wrote:

Ace Timing wrote:

You still seem to think that I thought that Slaini was town BECAUSE of the fact that he was being suspected. I didn't think that those were justified, so I used him.
Oh >_>
Ok now i feel like a derp
Actually the more i talk with you the less convinced you're scum, but i had to make sure.
Unvote
Normally i'd sheep Drezi onto Hika here, but if she's getting replaced soon i want to hear from the replacement first, besides, we're not in a rush.
Just voicing intent to vote again, and:

Sakura wrote:

I could care less what alignment Navizel is right now, i mentioned this several times but you seem intent in misreping me.

Vote: Slaini
There's no way this person's town.
Voting someone else based on more of a whim yet again, over actually voting Hika.

Where I'm going with this is that this continoued expressed intent to vote Hika, while actually not doing so, and voting anything else slightly feasible doesn't sit well with me, it's like "oh well I'll take the chance to bus in case she ends up getting lynched, but let's just lynch someone else, right".

Also note that Nyquill somewhat continued this behavior,

Nyquill wrote:

Hika's the best lynch via PoE, but I'm not moving Sakura's vote because sLaini's move onto the Hika wagon felt paranoid.
and haven't voted rEdo as of (pre-)writing this post, he appears to have liked rEdo's posts (p/4302364/), which I don't really understand and he didn't really elaborate since.

So a townflip on rEdo would still at least dispell these doubts I have, clear this up and allow me to trust Sakura/Nyquill, while a scumflip would give me a scumread for the final scum too. I wanted Nyquill's feedback on rEdo first to see if he'd vote or point out some of the stuff I did on his own accord.
Zexion
308 posts
Joined May 2012
Zexion

Navizel wrote:

We have plurality lynch in this game amirite

Mod wrote:

2.7) If deadline is reached without anyone ever hitting the lynch threshold, then a lynch will only occur if someone is at one vote below the lynch threshold. If multiple, then the first one to hit it will be lynched.
So yeah we're lyching today.

Ace Timing wrote:

sLaiNi wrote:

I guess we have a big misscommunication there.

So just forget it. It won't bring us any further.
Pretty suspicious imo...

Another thing, assuming that rEdo and Slaini are both town, do you honestly expect that Slaini will be a great help in finding scum?

Pretty good for a mobile post eh?
Of course it's suspicious. I don't plan to forget anytime soon Slaini's actions, but right now the best course of action seems to be the other lynch. Personally I would like to see how Slaini plays the following day in order to make a strong conclusion.

Everyone should cooperate to find scum, what's your point there? If Slaini doesn't do anything in that point he will most likely be lynched soon, same as the other lurker. (you know who I'm talking about)

rEdo wrote:

Zexion wrote:

@rEdo: Before you claim "yeah Slaini/Zexion confirmed beacuse Zexion's deflecting votes or asdf", take a look at Hika's posting. You can't tell me there's nothing wrong there. Now that I meantion it, I remember saying the same to SNB...
Bah, not confirming that yet.
It will be confirmed only when it works better for you. I love that logic.


rEdo wrote:

rEdo wrote:

Bah, not confirming that yet.
When you look at other Hika's games, she's always been the type of person that keeps people paranoid because of lack of actual content.
I freaking hate meta as an argument. It seems like a poor excuse for everyone to justify some really bad playstyles. Sure, go on believing players will behave exactly the same way acording to their alignement.
Amianki
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Topic Starter
Amianki
Twilight starts this post.
Amianki
85 posts
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Topic Starter
Amianki
Vote Count 1.11


[4] rEdo -- Drezi, Zexion, sLaiNi, -[Jess]- [L-1]
[3] sLaiNi -- Navizel rEdo, Static Noise Bird
[0] Ace Timing --
[0] -[Jess]- --
[0] Drezi --
[0] Navizel --
[0] Nyquill --
[0] Static Noise Bird --
[0] Zexion --


[0] No Lynch -
Not Voting -- Ace Timing, Nyquill
With 9 alive, it's 5 to lynch.

Deadline is July 3 at 3:30PM CST (GMT-6). <-------- -3 HOURS FROM NOW

Static Noise Bird is V/LA until after day ends (July 5).
Last edited by Amianki , edited 3 times in total.
Amianki
85 posts
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Topic Starter
Amianki
Oh dear.

rEdo, Town Vanilla, has been lynched day one.

It is now Night one. Deadline is July 5th, 6:15PM CST (GMT-6). This is exactly 48 hours from now.
Amianki
85 posts
Joined January 2011
Topic Starter
Amianki
It's time to rise and shine!

Well, except for one, at least...

Drezi, Town Vanilla, has been killed night one.

It is now Day two. Deadline is on July 12th, 10:00 PM CST (GMT-6). This is slightly more than seven days from now.

Sorry, this is what happens when I work too much and don't sleep enough.
Amianki
85 posts
Joined January 2011
Topic Starter
Amianki
Vote Count 2.1


[0] -[Jess]- --
[0] Ace Timing --
[0] Navizel --
[0] Nyquill --
[0] sLaiNi --
[0] Static Noise Bird --
[0] Zexion --


[0] No Lynch -
Not Voting -- -[Jess]-, Ace Timing, Navizel, Nyquill, sLaiNi, Static Noise Bird, Zexion
With 7 alive, it's 4 to lynch.

Deadline is July 12 at 10:00PM CST (GMT-6). <-------- 7 DAYS FROM NOW

Static Noise Bird's V/LA ends today.
All prod timers are reset to this point.
-[Jess]-
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-[Jess]-
Good afternoon

vote:slaini

And I like the title still said night 1
sLaiNi
34 posts
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sLaiNi
Good morning,

That went seemingly bad as hell.

Will take some time thinking about all and reading a bit and post my results when I am back home.
-[Jess]-
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-[Jess]-

sLaiNi wrote:

Will take some time thinking about all and reading a bit and post my results when I am back home.
Some information has become useless now.

Try to choose the right information to think
Navizel
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Navizel
Holy shit I'm actually alive.

Vote: Slaini
-[Jess]-
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-[Jess]-
So we are lynching slaini today?
Navizel
2,982 posts
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Navizel
Why did you guys even went for rEdo D1.
@Jess, why did you let Slaini live? Tbh, that was a really weak reason to go for rEdo. I'm going to be so mad if you turned out scum.
If only Ace and Nyquill were here...
Nyquill
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Nyquill
navizel claim your action
Navizel
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Navizel
targeted Zexion last night.
-[Jess]-
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-[Jess]-

Navizel wrote:

@Jess, why did you let Slaini live?
I want to see his action in this situation.If he can't give a reason why he is town,we will lynch him soon.
Sounds cruel for him
Navizel
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Navizel
but what about rEdo? Pretty sure he gave not just reason but reasons as to why he is town.
Ace Timing
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Ace Timing
No or Role claims CCs yet? Guess Navizel's JK then.
-[Jess]-
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-[Jess]-

Navizel wrote:

but what about rEdo? Pretty sure he gave not just reason but reasons as to why he is town.
Too many reason of why his lynch is better than slaini lynch.
Ace Timing
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Ace Timing
My biggest question is, why did both scum pick Drezi? It seems sort of counter intuitive, seeing as there is no doctor in the case of Navi being JK.
-[Jess]-
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-[Jess]-

Ace Timing wrote:

...seeing as there is no doctor in the case of Navi being JK.
maybe scum has Roleblocker,they can use Strongarm.
-[Jess]-
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-[Jess]-
for more info of the role,see p/4275718
Navizel
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Navizel

Ace Timing wrote:

My biggest question is, why did both scum pick Drezi? It seems sort of counter intuitive, seeing as there is no doctor in the case of Navi being JK.
Maybe the scum actually took what I said seriously. That I should let everyone interpret my claim however they want. And by the way, I only know one person who did just that.

Though I was seriously expecting myself to get killed last night.
Ace Timing
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Ace Timing

-[Jess]- wrote:

Ace Timing wrote:

...seeing as there is no doctor in the case of Navi being JK.
maybe scum has Roleblocker,they can use Strongarm.

All the more reason that two people should've died. The strongarm ability is separate of the brutality ability, so two people should have died.
Ace Timing
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Ace Timing
Most probable thing that happened was one scum was inactive during the 48 hour period.
-[Jess]-
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-[Jess]-

Ace Timing wrote:

All the more reason that two people should've died. The strongarm ability is separate of the brutality ability, so two people should have died.
What are you mean?

Ace Timing wrote:

Most probable thing that happened was one scum was inactive during the 48 hour period.
The chance is 50/50 or something.
Birdy
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Birdy
Vote: Zexion

Good morning.

I told you guys there was no real evidence in the Hika/rEdo wagon at all but alright. Now that Drezi is out of question I'm sure it has to be Slaini/Zexion team. I'm calling it.

Good game and all that.
sLaiNi
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sLaiNi

Ace Timing wrote:

All the more reason that two people should've died. The strongarm ability is separate of the brutality ability, so two people should have died.
So in mafiascum each mafia member can commit one kill? So two mafia members = two kills per night? I thought they could only kill one person together in a night (

CalignoBot wrote:

Each night, you and your partner may kill someone in that game.
)

If thats the case:
If Navizel actually is a Jailor AND the mafia has a strongarm, then we have a 1-shot-bulletproof town. That would explain (in case the mafia can kill 2 people at night) how they ended up just killing one, as they shot the bulletproof town.

(still not at home, in IT - class ^^)
-[Jess]-
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-[Jess]-

sLaiNi wrote:

Ace Timing wrote:

All the more reason that two people should've died. The strongarm ability is separate of the brutality ability, so two people should have died.
So in mafiascum each mafia member can commit one kill? So two mafia members = two kills per night? I thought they could only kill one person together in a night
I checked the previous game on this forum (mostly like 10 months ago)
It seen the mafia members only can kill one at night.
You liar.
-[Jess]-
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-[Jess]-
Whoops,it is 11 months ago
sLaiNi
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sLaiNi

-[Jess]- wrote:

I checked the previous game on this forum (mostly like 10 months ago)
It seen the mafia members only can kill one at night.
You liar.
Why am I a liar, if someone claims that mafia can kill one person at night and I say that I thought that mafia could actually kill only one person at night. Your post rather confirms my assumption that only one person can be killed at night.

So the person that claimed the "2 kills at night" thing would be a liar.

So why calling me one?
Navizel
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Navizel
There's no way mafia can kill two people in a Matrix6 setup.
Navizel
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Navizel
Strongarm is the roleblock ability. It just blocks the targeted person's ability for the night. I don't get what you guys are talking about.
Navizel
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Navizel
And I believe mafia killing Drezi proves that there's a roleblocker in this game. There's just no way they would let a JK live past D1. They probably blocked my action last night since roleblock > jailkeeper
-[Jess]-
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-[Jess]-

sLaiNi wrote:

-[Jess]- wrote:

I checked the previous game on this forum (mostly like 10 months ago)
It seen the mafia members only can kill one at night.
You liar.
Why am I a liar, if someone claims that mafia can kill one person at night and I say that I thought that mafia could actually kill only one person at night. Your post rather confirms my assumption that only one person can be killed at night.

So the person that claimed the "2 kills at night" thing would be a liar.

So why calling me one?
you can always check the information in [ur=http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Matrix6]here[/url]

And Why you believe Ace's word?how silly
-[Jess]-
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-[Jess]-
Whoops,
here
sLaiNi
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sLaiNi

sLaiNi wrote:

-[Jess]- wrote:

I checked the previous game on this forum (mostly like 10 months ago)
It seen the mafia members only can kill one at night.
You liar.
Why am I a liar, if someone claims that mafia can kill one person at night and I say that I thought that mafia could actually kill only one person at night. Your post rather confirms my assumption that only one person can be killed at night.

So the person that claimed the "2 kills at night" thing would be a liar.

So why calling me one?
*if someone claims that mafia can kill two person at night


misswrote there ^^
sLaiNi
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sLaiNi

-[Jess]- wrote:

Ace Timing wrote:

All the more reason that two people should've died. The strongarm ability is separate of the brutality ability, so two people should have died.
What are you mean?

Ace Timing wrote:

Most probable thing that happened was one scum was inactive during the 48 hour period.
The chance is 50/50 or something.
Ace Timing claimed there, that it was strange how mafia killed only one person while they could kill two. Your answer indicates, that you thought the same. All the way through until my post NOONE put Ace's assumption into question, so I thought it would be like this. So I didn't believe Ace, instead I believed all of you. It's not even pure believing, as I put it in question before my "1-shot-bullet-proof"-assumption
sLaiNi
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sLaiNi

-[Jess]- wrote:

you can always check the information in [ur=http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Matrix6]here[/url]
I already checked the Matrix6 thing. Theres no way I would've gotten to this conclusion without checking the Matrix:

sLaiNi wrote:

If Navizel actually is a Jailor AND the mafia has a strongarm, then we have a 1-shot-bulletproof town.

Thanks for pointing the website out in case I didn't know it, though.
-[Jess]-
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-[Jess]-

sLaiNi wrote:

Ace Timing claimed there, that it was strange how mafia killed only one person while they could kill two. Your answer indicates, that you thought the same. All the way through until my post NOONE put Ace's assumption into question, so I thought it would be like this. So I didn't believe Ace, instead I believed all of you. It's not even pure believing, as I put it in question before my "1-shot-bullet-proof"-assumption
Sorry,I didn't though the same though on him,I am curious about his word.And why cause you think I and Ace has same though?

------------------------------------------
is late now,I have to sleep
-[Jess]-
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-[Jess]-
One note before I am going to sleep:

sLaiNi wrote:

-[Jess]- wrote:

you can always check the information in [ur=http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Matrix6]here[/url]
I already checked the Matrix6 thing. Theres no way I would've gotten to this conclusion without checking the Matrix:
Try to check this forum,there have tons of Matrix6 gameplay

And make sure to check the QT
Navizel
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Navizel
And make sure to check the QT
what?
Ace Timing
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Ace Timing
Jeez, this went way too far, I was working under the presumption that each member of the mafia could pick one to kill, not that both killed one. This went really far for really no reason at all. Let's get back to the game instead of questioning the meta.
Navizel
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Navizel
It would be great if people would stop posting for a while until Jess answers my question. I mean just post a prod dodge instead of contributing to the game.
Ace Timing
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Ace Timing

-[Jess]- wrote:

And make sure to check the QT
tfw QT is quicktopic
tfw only scum can use said quick topic
tfw vote Jess
Birdy
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Birdy
Wait, did Jess just fuck up everything for real?

Vote: Jess
sLaiNi
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sLaiNi
Wait until she answeres, as Navi said.
Ace Timing
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Ace Timing
That was before the huge scumslip
Birdy
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Birdy
That's just 2 votes for a probable scumslip, don't get your knickers in a twist.
sLaiNi
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sLaiNi

Navizel wrote:

It would be great if people would stop posting for a while until Jess answers my question. I mean just post a prod dodge instead of contributing to the game.

Nope it wasn't I guess.
Ace Timing
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Ace Timing
Also there's no way Jess is going to respond immediately, as it is 3:50 AM where she is, she's probably asleep and won't wake up for 5-10 hours
Navizel
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Navizel
oh well. just don't give new ideas.
-[Jess]-
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-[Jess]-

Navizel wrote:

And make sure to check the QT
what?
Oh,I mean the surm Quicktopic of the past game.

Ace Timing wrote:

-[Jess]- wrote:

And make sure to check the QT
tfw QT is quicktopic
tfw only scum can use said quick topic
tfw vote Jess
No,Dead people can also use Quicktopic

sLaiNi wrote:

Wait until she answeres, as Navi said.
What?You want to wait me for 10 hours?
-[Jess]-
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-[Jess]-
Whoops,a typo for one
'Scum'
Ace Timing
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Ace Timing

-[Jess]- wrote:

Oh,I mean the surm Quicktopic of the past game
What?

-[Jess]- wrote:

No,Dead people can also use Quicktopic
But you are not dead, so that's irrelevant.
Ace Timing
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Ace Timing
Nvm on that first one
Ace Timing
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Ace Timing
You still can't see the QT from previous games. I checked.
-[Jess]-
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-[Jess]-
Check this game t/221861&start=0

And Make sure you check all the pages
Ace Timing
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Ace Timing

-[Jess]- wrote:

Check this game t/221861&start=0

And Make sure you check all the pages
It leads to google for me.
-[Jess]-
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-[Jess]-
p/3289577

And check this
Navizel
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Navizel
p/3288850

check also the other page
Ace Timing
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Ace Timing
Oh, okay I was checking the role PMs.
Ace Timing
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Ace Timing
Unvote
Navizel
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Navizel
But I wonder how Ace knows about QT being Quicktopic. Quick search on google isn't even going to show quicktopic

I kind of realized that Jess was mentioning the old games but I didn't want her to give ideas that's why I didn't post anything and let her explain first.
Ace Timing
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Ace Timing

Navizel wrote:

But I wonder how Ace knows about QT being Quicktopic.
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=mafiascum+QT
-[Jess]-
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-[Jess]-

Navizel wrote:

I kind of realized that Jess was mentioning the old games but I didn't want her to give ideas that's why I didn't post anything and let her explain first.
The only reason I know is we live in the same time zone.
Or you just went sleep

Another reason:
We can't think anymore ideas that helping the game works
-[Jess]-
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-[Jess]-
I am now go to school.Back in 5 hours later.
Navizel
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Navizel

Ace Timing wrote:

Navizel wrote:

But I wonder how Ace knows about QT being Quicktopic.
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=mafiascum+QT
fair enough. I only searched QT.

@Jess, I'm actually living in Canada right now so our timezones are different.
Nyquill
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Nyquill

Ace Timing wrote:

No or Role claims CCs yet? Guess Navizel's JK then.
Im interested to know how you came to this conclusion tbh.

mod: im v/la until thursday. Im running around places to renew things.
Birdy
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Birdy
Unvote

Vote: Zexion
Zexion
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Zexion
Off-game: Sorry ppl, just got home and I'm about to fall asleep over the keyboard. I'll read and comment everything in some hours orz.
Navizel
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Navizel
Just like D1, I'm fine with either a Zexion or a Slaini lynch.
-[Jess]-
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-[Jess]-
[quote="Navizel]
@Jess, I'm actually living in Canada right now so our timezones are different.[/quote]

Oh,I thought you are living in Philippines .

Well silly me
sLaiNi
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sLaiNi
@Jess

When Ace claims (accidentally) that mafia can kill two people per night and I just assume that the more experienced players are right, youcall me out for lying.

When Navi (probably the only confirmed town) tells us to stop writing and I agree with him, you call me out for it.

This is getting hilarious. Could you explain why you alway s accuse me of these things while others started them and I just gave my oppinion on them?
Amianki
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Topic Starter
Amianki
Vote Count 2.2

[2] sLaiNi -- -[Jess]-, Navizel
[1] Zexion -- Static Noise Bird
[0] -[Jess]- --
[0] Ace Timing --
[0] Navizel --
[0] Nyquill --
[0] Static Noise Bird --


[0] No Lynch -
Not Voting -- Ace Timing, Nyquill, sLaiNi, Zexion
With 7 alive, it's 4 to lynch.

Deadline is July 12 at 10:00PM CST (GMT-6).

Nyquill is V/LA until July 9th.
Ace Timing
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sLaiNi wrote:

@Jess

When Ace claims (accidentally) that mafia can kill two people per night and I just assume that the more experienced players are right, youcall me out for lying.

When Navi (probably the only confirmed town) tells us to stop writing and I agree with him, you call me out for it.

This is getting hilarious. Could you explain why you alway s accuse me of these things while others started them and I just gave my oppinion on them?
One post calling you a liar (which was most likely in jest) does not warrant such a lengthy response. Live and let go man. It was only one. It would be different if this happened on many occasions but it didn't. No need for so much salt.
sLaiNi
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sLaiNi

Ace Timing wrote:

sLaiNi wrote:

@Jess

When Ace claims (accidentally) that mafia can kill two people per night and I just assume that the more experienced players are right, youcall me out for lying.

When Navi (probably the only confirmed town) tells us to stop writing and I agree with him, you call me out for it.

This is getting hilarious. Could you explain why you alway s accuse me of these things while others started them and I just gave my oppinion on them?
One post calling you a liar (which was most likely in jest) does not warrant such a lengthy response. Live and let go man. It was only one. It would be different if this happened on many occasions but it didn't. No need for so much salt.
It happened two times and she dodged the question. (Still thanks at her for giving me tips even though it resulted in a potential scumslip)

So I might ask question about it. I rather see no reason for you to stop me from trying to get informations.
-[Jess]-
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-[Jess]-

sLaiNi wrote:

@Jess

When Ace claims (accidentally) that mafia can kill two people per night and I just assume that the more experienced players are right, you call me out for lying.

When Navi (probably the only confirmed town) tells us to stop writing and I agree with him, you call me out for it.

This is getting hilarious. Could you explain why you always accuse me of these things while others started them and I just gave my oppinion on them?

-[Jess]- wrote:

I want to see his action in this situation.If he can't give a reason why he is town,we will lynch him soon.
Sounds cruel for him
Well.
sLaiNi
34 posts
Joined May 2013
sLaiNi

-[Jess]- wrote:

sLaiNi wrote:

@Jess

When Ace claims (accidentally) that mafia can kill two people per night and I just assume that the more experienced players are right, you call me out for lying.

When Navi (probably the only confirmed town) tells us to stop writing and I agree with him, you call me out for it.

This is getting hilarious. Could you explain why you always accuse me of these things while others started them and I just gave my oppinion on them?

-[Jess]- wrote:

I want to see his action in this situation.If he can't give a reason why he is town,we will lynch him soon.
Sounds cruel for him
Well.

Good point there. There you got your reactions. Atleast someone who tries to get information
Navizel
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Navizel
Are you guys still on the mafia confusion thing
Zexion
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Zexion
Good (late) morning everyone.

So far Drezi being killed seemed like a interesting choice, I would have been expecting to see Navi dead but if they can roleblock we're essencially without PR's for the time being.

I think scum played it quite well because I would have ruled out a lot of theories if Navi flipped town... there aren't many conclussions I can draw for this nightkill.

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Static Noise Bird wrote:

Vote: Zexion

Good morning.

I told you guys there was no real evidence in the Hika/rEdo wagon at all but alright. Now that Drezi is out of question I'm sure it has to be Slaini/Zexion team. I'm calling it.

Good game and all that.
I think rEdo's lynch was justified of how he played when arriving. If you don't think so I really suggest you read the rEdo/Drezi discussion all over again, as town you can't give up if you're about to be lynched, throwing in the towel at that point was an extremely scummy action of rEdo's. He still had time to answer and clarify what Drezi asked.

The "no real evidence" part suggests you were just going on your own thoughts and not actually reading what was going on. This is kinda fishy, do you have any further "real evidence" about me being scum with Slaini or are you just repeating what Sakura and rEdo said before and pushing a wagon? I really don't see you doing anything.

Static Noise Bird wrote:

Wait, did Jess just fuck up everything for real?

Vote: Jess
On the other hand, that "scumslip" of Jess with the QT thing was pretty interesting to see reactions. If you were scum, you would surely use this opportunity to push a lynch on the most suspicious person, but then...

Static Noise Bird wrote:

That's just 2 votes for a probable scumslip, don't get your knickers in a twist.
Could you explain this sentence to me? I really don't get it, did you want more votes on Jess at that point? Or did you just want the wagon to stop because that "scumslip" was nothing important?

I would think its the former because you didn't unvote in the same post.

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Navizel wrote:

But I wonder how Ace knows about QT being Quicktopic. Quick search on google isn't even going to show quicktopic

I kind of realized that Jess was mentioning the old games but I didn't want her to give ideas that's why I didn't post anything and let her explain first.
Huh. I was about to write something about this point being a little too paranoid but then I thought about this being like accusing newbie play. (i.e. you're newbie so that was probably a scumslip). Anyway this accusation is quite irrelevant as there's no way to prove it. I don't even know why I repeated this.
(Do people read rules and stuff before getting into this kind of games, anyways?)

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sLaiNi wrote:

Good morning,

That went seemingly bad as hell.

Will take some time thinking about all and reading a bit and post my results when I am back home.
Good to know. Where are your results? So far I have only seen you posting about the double kill thing and some other stuff. Are you going to do something else?
sLaiNi
34 posts
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sLaiNi
@Zexion Sorry for that, after the "potential scumslip" thingy I wanted to wait a bit and then I totally forgot about it.

So as I have no clue how Day 2 starts here, I will just go ahead and do what I think is right.

First of all: The mafia kills:

I still don't know why they didn't kill Navizel right away. He is the only confirmed town and we're just not going to lynch him unter a valid CC or something comes off.
If we see the rest of us, it was either Sakura or Drezi who would've made sense to be lynched, as they were the most accepted town - reads and they made good points in trying to chase down scum. So in case both of them are town (and we know for sure that Drezi was one) they were the ones that were, together with Navi, the least like to be lynched I guess. That leaves us with: Zexion, SMB, Jess, Ace and me.
That's the point where it's hard for me to find points to think of.
Basically my assumption is, that one of these 5 (excluding me logically) is scum.

If they were town, what reasons would mafia have to not kill them:
SMB was quite inactive, so maybe not kill her for that.
Same goes to Jess, eating lunch all day (sorry, that actually made me laugh back then :D )
Ace acted quite irrational at the beginning, which turned out to be a test for reaction.
Zexion is one of the possible lynch candidates, so they might hope that town gets rid of him.
Same goes for me and as Navizel stated "He doesn't do any good for us" / "He doesn't help us" (or something like that) they might think the same.

Maybe someone can help me with these thoughts to put them a bit further.




---here I wanted to post my thoughts on the lynches and what caused them / what to learn out of them. I just don't come to a conclusion at this point.

Any Ideas on what we should focus when analyzing the lynches?
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