Nyquill should really make an appearance, we don't have much time left, and I def don't want today to be a sLaiNi lynch with how things are looking right now.

tbh a Zexion or a Slaini lynch is fine with me.

Zexion wrote:

"My scumreads are both of the same wagon so they must surely be scum! How about we propose a Sakura+Drezi scumteam now?"

This is so scummy as fuck. Reminder that he did the same thing to disprove points before.

Zexion wrote:

Because you accuse me of "not even scumhunting" and yet you're totally OK at Hika keeping ideas to themselves and Jess and Slaini not saying anything useful. That attitude sounds pretty inconsistent. You wanted my reads, if you feel "scared" by looking at them, its your fault , but yeah, I should not have put that "you're" there.

This is just me but if I were to pick between someone who is doing nothing and someone who is being suspicious, I would choose the latter. Yes, the former seems suspicious too but the latter is worse. Using someone's experience is a weak excuse.

Navizel wrote:

Zexion wrote:

"My scumreads are both of the same wagon so they must surely be scum! How about we propose a Sakura+Drezi scumteam now?"

This is so scummy as fuck. Reminder that he did the same thing to disprove points before.

Let's go back to that point in the game. Besides you, who was another lynch candidate? May I remind you of your "heh" post?

Btw that phrase should be read as entirely situational, maybe I shouldn't have worded it that way but voting you at that point seemed like the best choice to be honest.

Navizel wrote:

Zexion wrote:

"My scumreads are both of the same wagon so they must surely be scum! How about we propose a Sakura+Drezi scumteam now?"

This is so scummy as fuck. Reminder that he did the same thing to disprove points before.

You can reference it then?

finally we can get the game rolling

rEdo wrote:

@everyone: Please tell me why a Hika/rEdo lynch is better than a sLaiNi lynch. Do you get any information from this except for actually checking Hika''s alignment? I don't think she talked with anyone, I believe there's just no links that you connect with her.

There is good reason for waiting for tangibles, though more-so for you than slaini, and that's why a slaini lynch is the best right now. Hika would have been the kind of player dealt with after Night 1, and now that you replace her and adopt an entirely different play-style, it only adds to the case.

Scumhunting/townreading off the Hika wagon is going to be a lot harder than doing the same with the slaini wagon because of how the wagon started.

Zexion wrote:

Ace Timing wrote:

wat? The proposed Scum team was you and Zexion. As Zexion has not responded recently, I am certainly not the most suspicious one here.

Slaini has obviously given up at this point. Are we waiting for Zexion to make a return to hammer the nail into the coffin?

Kek no. I still think Hika/rEdo should eat rope. rEdo bringing up an old theory makes me think he's just being oportunist of Sakura's earlier posts.

If you meant You and Slaini,

rEdo wrote:

My thoughts so far:
[list][*]If sLaiNi would be today's lynch and he would flip scum, very most likely his scumpartner would be Zexion. I haven't seen any exchange of words at all until just recently, when the Hika wagon got more attention. That's weird. This is even weirder, I mean the way sLaiNi's trying to discredit someone for voting Zexion. I'm really close to thinking this is a sLaiNi & Zexion scumteam, but I really need information to work with. That information being sLaiNi's alignment.

He wasn't even pushing her theory.

So if you can learn alot from my lynch.


What are you going to learn if I flip town?

Zexion wrote:

Let's go back to that point in the game. Besides you, who was another lynch candidate? May I remind you of your "heh" post?

Btw that phrase should be read as entirely situational, maybe I shouldn't have worded it that way but voting you at that point seemed like the best choice to be honest.

?????

Drezi wrote:

You can reference it then?

Elaborate?

Nyquill wrote:

Scumhunting/townreading off the Hika wagon is going to be a lot harder than doing the same with the slaini wagon because of how the wagon started.

It goes both ways.

Hey Drezi, if we go by rEdo only, his actions are solidly reflecting his posts. I'd like to know why you think he deserves the rOpe based on his actions only.

That and the post above was in response to your question.

Seriously, I was talking about your posts and then you shift the topic to mine. Nice logical fallacy.

Btw,

rEdo wrote:

@everyone: Please tell me why a Hika/rEdo lynch is better than a sLaiNi lynch.

It's not.

Nyquill wrote:

Nyquill wrote:

Scumhunting/townreading off the Hika wagon is going to be a lot harder than doing the same with the slaini wagon because of how the wagon started.

It goes both ways.

Hey Drezi, if we go by rEdo only, his actions are solidly reflecting his posts. I'd like to know why you think he deserves the rOpe based on his actions only.

So basicaly you wouldn't read anything out of me being town. But the chance that I am scum, and that I'm in this case easier to read than redo would be if he/she turned scum, is worth a try?

wow

Nyquill wrote:

wow

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How lynch information is gathered: The comprehensive guide by Nyquill.

Dedicated to Slaini.

Welcome to part 205844 of the series of books on how to make reads.

Today we'll cover how to gather semi-tangible information outside of Night actions. Is that possible? Yessir. Luckily for us, there are several constants in this game of mafia.

The foremost constant in a normal setup is that a death will result in a correct reveal. In a game where you are kept in the dark, this is good.

Now, how do you make the most out of a flip? Well, start by looking at who was on the wagon. You can make a judgement based on their move to the wagon, and finally attune that to what alignment the flip actually was.

______________________________________________________________________

slaini, this isn't your primary concern if you don't want to get lynched.

Nyquill wrote:

Zexion wrote:

Kek no. I still think Hika/rEdo should eat rope. rEdo bringing up an old theory makes me think he's just being oportunist of Sakura's earlier posts.

If you meant You and Slaini,

rEdo wrote:

My thoughts so far:
[list][*]If sLaiNi would be today's lynch and he would flip scum, very most likely his scumpartner would be Zexion. I haven't seen any exchange of words at all until just recently, when the Hika wagon got more attention. That's weird. This is even weirder, I mean the way sLaiNi's trying to discredit someone for voting Zexion. I'm really close to thinking this is a sLaiNi & Zexion scumteam, but I really need information to work with. That information being sLaiNi's alignment.

He wasn't even pushing her theory.

Sakura proposed the same based on our interactions. I don't mean he's pushing the exact same theory (Sakura based it on me defending Slaini, but it seems rEdo is basing over our lack of comunication until that point), but rather, that me being scum with Slaini is not even an original idea of rEdo.

Navizel wrote:

Zexion wrote:

Let's go back to that point in the game. Besides you, who was another lynch candidate? May I remind you of your "heh" post?

Btw that phrase should be read as entirely situational, maybe I shouldn't have worded it that way but voting you at that point seemed like the best choice to be honest.

?????

Drezi wrote:

You can reference it then?

Elaborate?

What part wasn't clear?

I think Drezi is looking for a quote or something to validate your claim of me "doing the same".

sLaiNi wrote:

Nyquill wrote:

It goes both ways.

Hey Drezi, if we go by rEdo only, his actions are solidly reflecting his posts. I'd like to know why you think he deserves the rOpe based on his actions only.

So basicaly you wouldn't read anything out of me being town. But the chance that I am scum, and that I'm in this case easier to read than redo would be if he/she turned scum, is worth a try?

Slaini, if you flip town, we still win information. By taking someone out of the pool of possible scum we earn a lot. (Because, among other things, we can also confirm/develop/discard previous theories based on interactions/posts/stuff of/with the lynched or killed player)

Ah okay, thanks for you two for explaining it indepth.

Of course, I knew the basics of that thinking (as I kinda explained it here: p/4301967 ).

sLaiNi wrote:

So basicaly you wouldn't read anything out of me being town. But the chance that I am scum, and that I'm in this case easier to read than redo would be if he/she turned scum, is worth a try?

Was more directed at Nyquill's "It's easier to read from you than from Hika". But above standing explains it pretty well.

I'm rereading the thread will detail rEdo posts, but I'll throw this out here. I think if sLaiNi is scum, he'll get lynched tomorrow no problem. Right now he's simply getting votes because of smaller questionable things, wordings etc, which COULD indicate scum, but it can just easily be attributed to being inexperienced, which makes the lynch weak overall.

I don't think the flip would give much information, because these reasions for wanting him lynched are pretty neutral, easy things to pick on, scum doesn't have to commit much "oh he did stupid stuff, he worded things badly I thought he was scum duh", and usually this is how town mislynches D1 go down, weaker town are happy that they can point at "suspicious" stuff and place their vote, and scum happily join.

rEdo scum going a day longer on the other hand, could cause a mess, especially if I'm not around anymore, with their partner being the louder voices in town, getting town to go for some Jess or Ace lynch or whatever, the path of least resistance again.

Zexion wrote:

What part wasn't clear?

Navizel wrote:

Seriously, I was talking about your posts and then you shift the topic to mine. Nice logical fallacy.

Zexion wrote:

I think Drezi is looking for a quote or something to validate your claim of me "doing the same".

err.. I quoted it in the previous page...

Zexion wrote:

Because you accuse me of "not even scumhunting" and yet you're totally OK at Hika keeping ideas to themselves and Jess and Slaini not saying anything useful. That attitude sounds pretty inconsistent. You wanted my reads, if you feel "scared" by looking at them, its your fault , but yeah, I should not have put that "you're" there.

The way Zexion attacks the posts is by shifting the topic to another. Like in the examples above, when I attacked him, he shifted the topic to my "heh" post. I don't even know why he did that cause my "heh" post is directed to Sakura when she asked Zexion to pressure me. Also, when Sakura attacked Zexion iirc, he then mentioned Hika, Jess, and Slaini to disprove her points.

Navizel wrote:

Zexion wrote:

I think Drezi is looking for a quote or something to validate your claim of me "doing the same".

err.. I quoted it in the previous page...

What where?

Navizel wrote:

Zexion wrote:

What part wasn't clear?

Navizel wrote:

Seriously, I was talking about your posts and then you shift the topic to mine. Nice logical fallacy.

Zexion wrote:

I think Drezi is looking for a quote or something to validate your claim of me "doing the same".

err.. I quoted it in the previous page...

Zexion wrote:

Because you accuse me of "not even scumhunting" and yet you're totally OK at Hika keeping ideas to themselves and Jess and Slaini not saying anything useful. That attitude sounds pretty inconsistent. You wanted my reads, if you feel "scared" by looking at them, its your fault , but yeah, I should not have put that "you're" there.

The way Zexion attacks the posts is by shifting the topic to another. Like in the examples above, when I attacked him, he shifted the topic to my "heh" post. I don't even know why he did that cause my "heh" post is directed to Sakura when she asked Zexion to pressure me. Also, when Sakura attacked Zexion iirc, he then mentioned Hika, Jess, and Slaini to disprove her points.

I think you're pretty paranoid right now, or are still mad because I don't buy 100% your JK claim. On the post that initiated your response (p/4302068) I wasn't even attacking you or switching the attention towards you, I was merely stating that at that point of the game voting for you was the most logical thing. So WHY are you accusing me AGAIN of switching points?

Also Navi, we can talk of two separate things at the same time. Maybe you're confused and think I only want to talk about one topic at a time. Your "heh" post was scummy as hell, but that's another point we will discuss the following day or so, if someone even remembers it.

Zexion wrote:

I think you're pretty paranoid right now, or are still mad because I don't buy 100% your JK claim. On the post that initiated your response (p/4302068) I wasn't even attacking you or switching the attention towards you, I was merely stating that at that point of the game voting for you was the most logical thing. So WHY are you accusing me AGAIN of switching points?

Also Navi, we can talk of two separate things at the same time. Maybe you're confused and think I only want to talk about one topic at a time. Your "heh" post was scummy as hell, but that's another point we will discuss the following day or so, if someone even remembers it.

I'm aware we can. However, your replies were shifted the topics to another one. You deflected the previous topic and created another one. We only have one topic. You didn't want the heat to be on you so you looked for another situation to disprove their claims/reasonings.
You seem to be misunderstanding my posts as well. Sigh.

Drezi wrote:

I'm rereading the thread will detail rEdo posts, but I'll throw this out here. I think if sLaiNi is scum, he'll get lynched tomorrow no problem. Right now he's simply getting votes because of smaller questionable things, wordings etc, which COULD indicate scum, but it can just easily be attributed to being inexperienced, which makes the lynch weak overall.

I don't think the flip would give much information, because these reasions for wanting him lynched are pretty neutral, easy things to pick on, scum doesn't have to commit much "oh he did stupid stuff, he worded things badly I thought he was scum duh", and usually this is how town mislynches D1 go down, weaker town are happy that they can point at "suspicious" stuff and place their vote, and scum happily join.

rEdo scum going a day longer on the other hand, could cause a mess, especially if I'm not around anymore, with their partner being the louder voices in town, getting town to go for some Jess or Ace lynch or whatever, the path of least resistance again.

So basically, you have the same feeling in the complete opposite direction.

My stance is made based on that we probably have some sort of ability to give tangible information on redo tommorow. While we can do the same thing with slaini, but I simply don't see how a redo lynch would benefit us at all in terms of being able to look back and go make decisions.

unvote

I'm going to prevent a hammer before I get back.

Actually I'm too tired now, will cont and post tomorrow morning.

Zexion wrote:

Sakura already said that theory and so far if your reason to suspect me being scum is a lack of comunication, then you're really lost. If you're accusing me for that then why not partner me with Ace or Jess? AFAIK I haven't had direct discussions with both of them so they may be well my scumparterns? (as I assume you're using that point because we try to "distance each other") Discrediting a vote towards someone its hardly proof that those two players have conections, or do we have to suspect you being someone's partner because Slaini's vote to Hika (now you) was really shady and someone (doesn't matter who now) pointed it was scummy?

Ace... I don't know, actually. Haven't really digged into this guy yet. I don't really think he should be dealt with in this stage of the game as he could be goddamn anything, like Jess.

Jess, on the other hand, doesn't talk with anyone at all and I'll be fucking mad if she turns out to be scum.

My reads (sLaiNi and Zexion) are pretty much a theory which I'm justifying by votecounts.

Zexion wrote:

@rEdo: Before you claim "yeah Slaini/Zexion confirmed beacuse Zexion's deflecting votes or asdf", take a look at Hika's posting. You can't tell me there's nothing wrong there. Now that I meantion it, I remember saying the same to SNB...

Bah, not confirming that yet.

sLaiNi wrote:

What are you going to learn if I flip town?

That there will be a high possibility that SNB is scum. I mean, the way he (she?) just hoped on your wagon was hilarious.

Zexion wrote:

Sakura proposed the same based on our interactions. I don't mean he's pushing the exact same theory (Sakura based it on me defending Slaini, but it seems rEdo is basing over our lack of comunication until that point), but rather, that me being scum with Slaini is not even an original idea of rEdo.

I figured it out in the middle of reading the whole thing, a few pages before Sakura posted it. And even if it didn't, I justified it with the votecounts, and they do matter in this case.

Drezi wrote:

I'm rereading the thread will detail rEdo posts, but I'll throw this out here. I think if sLaiNi is scum, he'll get lynched tomorrow no problem. Right now he's simply getting votes because of smaller questionable things, wordings etc, which COULD indicate scum, but it can just easily be attributed to being inexperienced, which makes the lynch weak overall.

I don't think the flip would give much information, because these reasions for wanting him lynched are pretty neutral, easy things to pick on, scum doesn't have to commit much "oh he did stupid stuff, he worded things badly I thought he was scum duh", and usually this is how town mislynches D1 go down, weaker town are happy that they can point at "suspicious" stuff and place their vote, and scum happily join.

omgus

Drezi wrote:

rEdo scum going a day longer on the other hand, could cause a mess, especially if I'm not around anymore, with their partner being the louder voices in town, getting town to go for some Jess or Ace lynch or whatever, the path of least resistance again.

Now that's interesting how you know Jess and Ace's alignment.

Why did you need Nyquill to write before elaborating your thoughts, by the way?

rEdo wrote:

Zexion wrote:

@rEdo: Before you claim "yeah Slaini/Zexion confirmed beacuse Zexion's deflecting votes or asdf", take a look at Hika's posting. You can't tell me there's nothing wrong there. Now that I meantion it, I remember saying the same to SNB...

Bah, not confirming that yet.

When you look at other Hika's games, she's always been the type of person that keeps people paranoid because of lack of actual content.

Vote Count 1.10


[3] rEdo -- Drezi, Zexion, sLaiNi
[3] sLaiNi -- Navizel rEdo, Static Noise Bird
[1] Ace Timing -- -[Jess]-
[0] Zexion --
[0] -[Jess]- --
[0] Drezi --
[0] Navizel --
[0] Nyquill --
[0] Static Noise Bird --


[0] No Lynch -
Not Voting -- Ace Timing, Nyquill
With 9 alive, it's 5 to lynch.

Deadline is July 3 at 3:30PM CST (GMT-6). <-------- 14.5 HOURS FROM NOW

Static Noise Bird is V/LA until after day ends (July 5).

Note that the mod will be absent at deadline. It will still be enforced, but I will not be on this PC again until 2-3 hours after deadline hits Thanks for your patience in advance.

rEdo wrote:

Drezi wrote:

rEdo scum going a day longer on the other hand, could cause a mess, especially if I'm not around anymore, with their partner being the louder voices in town, getting town to go for some Jess or Ace lynch or whatever, the path of least resistance again.

Now that's interesting how you know Jess and Ace's alignment.

This is EXACTLY what I'm talking about wrt the sLaiNi case. After I read my own post, I suspected someone might try to find fault with this, and of course it's rEdo

I simply picked two people who I don't think are scum with rEdo, and would be potential mislynch targets for a rEdo scumteam due to not being too experienced/widely townread.

And here you go making it out like I know their alignment, this is how bullshit cases can be made easily, without risking much. If anything scum is more likely to eliminate any misunderstandable stuff from their posts. We need to look for scum intention behind posts instead, and that I can see for Hika, and rEdo.

Alright so:

rEdo wrote:

sLaiNi wrote:

That's so right. That is something I should definitly change. But that has nothing to do with me being scum, [...]

Am I missing something or is this a fucking scumclaim?

This again, I don't claim that pointing at stuff like this is scummy in itself or useless, but it's certainly not something I'd base a day's lynch on, and it's sort of an easy risk free tactic scum can resort to (since you use objective facts, not your opinion/reads so it can't really backfire, like making a shitty forced subjective read could).

rEdo wrote:

sLaiNi wrote:

I have to say that Jess' didn't contribute a lot. Still, I don't think we should vote her just now.
So I will vote Hika for known reasons. But as we aren't in a hurry it might be a good idea to wait for her replacement, wouldn't it?

So you said it'd be better to wait for a replacement, yet you voted her, okay.

This as been mentioned before, and has been explained. Bringing it up again just shows he hasn't really made an honest effort to read the thread, he just looked for things he could point fingers at.

rEdo wrote:

Like honestly, I don't really see a case against Hika except for being lurky as fuck and voting people for shiggles, but isn't that the same thing sLaiNi's been doing?

Again, this tells me he hasn't really read the thread, only looked for stuff he can attack OR he's just lazily dismissing everything I pointed out about Hika and is trying to shift stuff to sLaiNi instead.

"Isn't it the same what sLaiNi's been doing" is very weak of an excuse to supposedly clear yourself and then keep asking people:

rEdo wrote:

@everyone: Please tell me why a Hika/rEdo lynch is better than a sLaiNi lynch. Do you get any information from this except for actually checking Hika''s alignment? I don't think she talked with anyone, I believe there's just no links that you connect with her.

Except for actually checking Hika's alignment? Really? That's the laziest defense argument ever (and the explanation is VERY bland and generic), especially given that sLaiNi is the other option, and I think that would be the lynch with less information due to reasons I stated a post or two before. If you try to make a point like this you'd better prove that you sincerely believe it to be the case, and support it with good explanations.

As for sincerely believing that sLaiNi is the best lynch here... he keeps asking why we're not voting sLaiNi over him, yet he hasn't even voted sLaiNi himself until much later, only after I asked him. I really don't see his actions solidly reflecting his posts Nyquill.

If you go as far as to question others why their vote is not on X, than the minimum I'd expect is to have your own vote there, and not "wait for others" first. I just see it as fence sitting, and trying not to commit the vote until he sees if it looks like his best chance at getting someone else lynched.

rEdo wrote:

I'm really close to thinking this is a sLaiNi & Zexion scumteam, but I really need information to work with.

After the previous stuff, this is just bad, why would he appear to disregard the several things I pointed out before, if he needs information as much as he'd like us to believe? Looks fake.

rEdo wrote:

sLaiNi wrote:

What are you going to learn if I flip town?

That there will be a high possibility that SNB is scum. I mean, the way he (she?) just hoped on your wagon was hilarious.

Wow so you're setting up lynches too, HOW NICE, if we lynch town, than you'll tell us who we should lynch next, this is something scum is happy to do that's for sure.

So why are we not lynching anyone in D1

Ace Jess and Nyquill need to use their votes.

unvote
vote:rEdo

I am agree what Drezi said about rEdo.

About slaini.....let him live in D1 :^)maybe?

We have plurality lynch in this game amirite

lmao I'm actually eating the rope

I want you to lynch somebody from {Drezi, sLaiNi, Zexion} tomorrow. Either works, to be honest. I already stated my logic on sLaiNi-Zexion, Drezi just sucks balls.

I wouldn't be surprised if he was scum afraid of sLaiNi flipping town and being paranoid about my turn-around on him at this point.

yes I'm mad

Anyway I'm tired of elaborating everything to Drezi, since this guy once said

Drezi wrote:

If anything scum is more likely to eliminate any misunderstandable stuff from their posts.

and then he's just pointing out everything that might be a flaw in my process of thought, tellling me I'm scum. Fucking hypocrite.

rEdo wrote:

Drezi just sucks balls.

You addressed my points quite nicely.

Also the nonexistent case you made on sLaiNi is of excellent quality (wait there was "guys why me, over him?")

Just watch me flip town, you'll try to reverse back ALL the nonsense you're trying to fill my mouth with. If you are too fucking dumb to see stuff yourself, then it's your problem. Lead the town to despair. Good luck, I'm done.

Your posts don't contain misunderstandable sentances, your posts show lack of proper reading of the thread, and fingerpointing at the most viable other wagon...

You still have time to refute all the nonsense I'm filling your mouth with. If it indeed is, than it shouldn't be too hard.

Have we all forgotten all if the suspicious things that Slaini has done. Like his rolefishing in the middle of Sakura questioning me.

sLaiNi wrote:

Sakura wrote:

I can tell you didnt read his ISO, otherwise you'd have read this:
[quo.te="Navizel"]Heck, I could even claim right now that I am a jailkeeper.

But that's not what I was asking, try again.

Why are you so sure about his claim bring real?[/quote]
Not to mention the dodge that occurred right after being questioned on it

sLaiNi wrote:

I guess we have a big misscommunication there.

So just forget it. It won't bring us any further.

Pretty suspicious imo...

Another thing, assuming that rEdo and Slaini are both town, do you honestly expect that Slaini will be a great help in finding scum?

Pretty good for a mobile post eh?

Had to fuck up the quotes so that it would post, but it should still be readable

This is something I only wanted to post at twilight, so here it is.

An other reason for me wanting a rEdo lynch today is because I don't trust Sakura/Nyquill just yet. What I said about Sakura was true, but there are things that made me wary too.

That is, the way Sakura approached the idea of a Hika lynch was off. She just felt really reluctant to vote her and even more so to keep that vote there, and I didn't really think this reluctancy was justified based on the stregth of the alternatives even if she had that gut townread at first.

After the Navi stuff she voted sLaiNi first, then when things were explained she decided to throw a (at that time -) lurker vote on Ace, ignoring Hika until I specifically asked her about it, then questioned my read, only to admit a bit later that yeah she kinda gets what I'm saying, and voted Hika, but soon enough she moved her vote away based on a single apparently "bad" post:

Sakura wrote:

I think i should stay off this game until i wake up tomorrow, coz right now i feel like i want to hit someone.
I mean that reads posts was so bad im at a loss for words.
Unvote
Vote: Ace
Back here.
Maybe i'll sheep you again on Hika tomorrow or not, pending on Ace's replies.

Expressed intent to vote Hika but later:

Sakura wrote:

Ace Timing wrote:

You still seem to think that I thought that Slaini was town BECAUSE of the fact that he was being suspected. I didn't think that those were justified, so I used him.

Oh >_>
Ok now i feel like a derp
Actually the more i talk with you the less convinced you're scum, but i had to make sure.
Unvote
Normally i'd sheep Drezi onto Hika here, but if she's getting replaced soon i want to hear from the replacement first, besides, we're not in a rush.

Just voicing intent to vote again, and:

Sakura wrote:

I could care less what alignment Navizel is right now, i mentioned this several times but you seem intent in misreping me.

Vote: Slaini
There's no way this person's town.

Voting someone else based on more of a whim yet again, over actually voting Hika.

Where I'm going with this is that this continoued expressed intent to vote Hika, while actually not doing so, and voting anything else slightly feasible doesn't sit well with me, it's like "oh well I'll take the chance to bus in case she ends up getting lynched, but let's just lynch someone else, right".

Also note that Nyquill somewhat continued this behavior,

Nyquill wrote:

Hika's the best lynch via PoE, but I'm not moving Sakura's vote because sLaini's move onto the Hika wagon felt paranoid.

and haven't voted rEdo as of (pre-)writing this post, he appears to have liked rEdo's posts (p/4302364/), which I don't really understand and he didn't really elaborate since.

So a townflip on rEdo would still at least dispell these doubts I have, clear this up and allow me to trust Sakura/Nyquill, while a scumflip would give me a scumread for the final scum too. I wanted Nyquill's feedback on rEdo first to see if he'd vote or point out some of the stuff I did on his own accord.

Navizel wrote:

We have plurality lynch in this game amirite

Mod wrote:

2.7) If deadline is reached without anyone ever hitting the lynch threshold, then a lynch will only occur if someone is at one vote below the lynch threshold. If multiple, then the first one to hit it will be lynched.

So yeah we're lyching today.

Ace Timing wrote:

sLaiNi wrote:

I guess we have a big misscommunication there.

So just forget it. It won't bring us any further.

Pretty suspicious imo...

Another thing, assuming that rEdo and Slaini are both town, do you honestly expect that Slaini will be a great help in finding scum?

Pretty good for a mobile post eh?

Of course it's suspicious. I don't plan to forget anytime soon Slaini's actions, but right now the best course of action seems to be the other lynch. Personally I would like to see how Slaini plays the following day in order to make a strong conclusion.

Everyone should cooperate to find scum, what's your point there? If Slaini doesn't do anything in that point he will most likely be lynched soon, same as the other lurker. (you know who I'm talking about)

rEdo wrote:

Zexion wrote:

@rEdo: Before you claim "yeah Slaini/Zexion confirmed beacuse Zexion's deflecting votes or asdf", take a look at Hika's posting. You can't tell me there's nothing wrong there. Now that I meantion it, I remember saying the same to SNB...

Bah, not confirming that yet.

It will be confirmed only when it works better for you. I love that logic.

rEdo wrote:

rEdo wrote:

Bah, not confirming that yet.

When you look at other Hika's games, she's always been the type of person that keeps people paranoid because of lack of actual content.

I freaking hate meta as an argument. It seems like a poor excuse for everyone to justify some really bad playstyles. Sure, go on believing players will behave exactly the same way acording to their alignement.

Twilight starts this post.

Vote Count 1.11


[4] rEdo -- Drezi, Zexion, sLaiNi, -[Jess]- [L-1]
[3] sLaiNi -- Navizel rEdo, Static Noise Bird
[0] Ace Timing --
[0] -[Jess]- --
[0] Drezi --
[0] Navizel --
[0] Nyquill --
[0] Static Noise Bird --
[0] Zexion --


[0] No Lynch -
Not Voting -- Ace Timing, Nyquill
With 9 alive, it's 5 to lynch.

Deadline is July 3 at 3:30PM CST (GMT-6). <-------- -3 HOURS FROM NOW

Static Noise Bird is V/LA until after day ends (July 5).

Oh dear.

rEdo, Town Vanilla, has been lynched day one.

It is now Night one. Deadline is July 5th, 6:15PM CST (GMT-6). This is exactly 48 hours from now.

It's time to rise and shine!

Well, except for one, at least...

Drezi, Town Vanilla, has been killed night one.

It is now Day two. Deadline is on July 12th, 10:00 PM CST (GMT-6). This is slightly more than seven days from now.

Sorry, this is what happens when I work too much and don't sleep enough.

Vote Count 2.1


[0] -[Jess]- --
[0] Ace Timing --
[0] Navizel --
[0] Nyquill --
[0] sLaiNi --
[0] Static Noise Bird --
[0] Zexion --


[0] No Lynch -
Not Voting -- -[Jess]-, Ace Timing, Navizel, Nyquill, sLaiNi, Static Noise Bird, Zexion
With 7 alive, it's 4 to lynch.

Deadline is July 12 at 10:00PM CST (GMT-6). <-------- 7 DAYS FROM NOW

Static Noise Bird's V/LA ends today.
All prod timers are reset to this point.

Good afternoon

vote:slaini

And I like the title still said night 1

Good morning,

That went seemingly bad as hell.

Will take some time thinking about all and reading a bit and post my results when I am back home.

sLaiNi wrote:

Will take some time thinking about all and reading a bit and post my results when I am back home.

Some information has become useless now.

Try to choose the right information to think

Holy shit I'm actually alive.

Vote: Slaini

So we are lynching slaini today?

Why did you guys even went for rEdo D1.
@Jess, why did you let Slaini live? Tbh, that was a really weak reason to go for rEdo. I'm going to be so mad if you turned out scum.
If only Ace and Nyquill were here...

navizel claim your action

targeted Zexion last night.

Navizel wrote:

@Jess, why did you let Slaini live?

I want to see his action in this situation.If he can't give a reason why he is town,we will lynch him soon.
Sounds cruel for him

but what about rEdo? Pretty sure he gave not just reason but reasons as to why he is town.

No or Role claims CCs yet? Guess Navizel's JK then.

Navizel wrote:

but what about rEdo? Pretty sure he gave not just reason but reasons as to why he is town.

Too many reason of why his lynch is better than slaini lynch.

My biggest question is, why did both scum pick Drezi? It seems sort of counter intuitive, seeing as there is no doctor in the case of Navi being JK.

Ace Timing wrote:

...seeing as there is no doctor in the case of Navi being JK.

maybe scum has Roleblocker,they can use Strongarm.

for more info of the role,see p/4275718

Ace Timing wrote:

My biggest question is, why did both scum pick Drezi? It seems sort of counter intuitive, seeing as there is no doctor in the case of Navi being JK.

Maybe the scum actually took what I said seriously. That I should let everyone interpret my claim however they want. And by the way, I only know one person who did just that.

Though I was seriously expecting myself to get killed last night.

-[Jess]- wrote:

Ace Timing wrote:

...seeing as there is no doctor in the case of Navi being JK.

maybe scum has Roleblocker,they can use Strongarm.

All the more reason that two people should've died. The strongarm ability is separate of the brutality ability, so two people should have died.

Most probable thing that happened was one scum was inactive during the 48 hour period.

Ace Timing wrote:

All the more reason that two people should've died. The strongarm ability is separate of the brutality ability, so two people should have died.

What are you mean?

Ace Timing wrote:

Most probable thing that happened was one scum was inactive during the 48 hour period.

The chance is 50/50 or something.

Vote: Zexion

Good morning.

I told you guys there was no real evidence in the Hika/rEdo wagon at all but alright. Now that Drezi is out of question I'm sure it has to be Slaini/Zexion team. I'm calling it.

Good game and all that.

Ace Timing wrote:

All the more reason that two people should've died. The strongarm ability is separate of the brutality ability, so two people should have died.

So in mafiascum each mafia member can commit one kill? So two mafia members = two kills per night? I thought they could only kill one person together in a night (

CalignoBot wrote:

Each night, you and your partner may kill someone in that game.

)

If thats the case:
If Navizel actually is a Jailor AND the mafia has a strongarm, then we have a 1-shot-bulletproof town. That would explain (in case the mafia can kill 2 people at night) how they ended up just killing one, as they shot the bulletproof town.

(still not at home, in IT - class ^^)

sLaiNi wrote:

Ace Timing wrote:

All the more reason that two people should've died. The strongarm ability is separate of the brutality ability, so two people should have died.

So in mafiascum each mafia member can commit one kill? So two mafia members = two kills per night? I thought they could only kill one person together in a night

I checked the previous game on this forum (mostly like 10 months ago)
It seen the mafia members only can kill one at night.
You liar.

Whoops,it is 11 months ago

-[Jess]- wrote:

I checked the previous game on this forum (mostly like 10 months ago)
It seen the mafia members only can kill one at night.
You liar.

Why am I a liar, if someone claims that mafia can kill one person at night and I say that I thought that mafia could actually kill only one person at night. Your post rather confirms my assumption that only one person can be killed at night.

So the person that claimed the "2 kills at night" thing would be a liar.

So why calling me one?

There's no way mafia can kill two people in a Matrix6 setup.

Strongarm is the roleblock ability. It just blocks the targeted person's ability for the night. I don't get what you guys are talking about.

And I believe mafia killing Drezi proves that there's a roleblocker in this game. There's just no way they would let a JK live past D1. They probably blocked my action last night since roleblock > jailkeeper

sLaiNi wrote:

-[Jess]- wrote:

I checked the previous game on this forum (mostly like 10 months ago)
It seen the mafia members only can kill one at night.
You liar.

Why am I a liar, if someone claims that mafia can kill one person at night and I say that I thought that mafia could actually kill only one person at night. Your post rather confirms my assumption that only one person can be killed at night.

So the person that claimed the "2 kills at night" thing would be a liar.

So why calling me one?

you can always check the information in [ur=http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Matrix6]here[/url]

And Why you believe Ace's word?how silly

Whoops,
here

sLaiNi wrote:

-[Jess]- wrote:

I checked the previous game on this forum (mostly like 10 months ago)
It seen the mafia members only can kill one at night.
You liar.

Why am I a liar, if someone claims that mafia can kill one person at night and I say that I thought that mafia could actually kill only one person at night. Your post rather confirms my assumption that only one person can be killed at night.

So the person that claimed the "2 kills at night" thing would be a liar.

So why calling me one?

*if someone claims that mafia can kill two person at night


misswrote there ^^

-[Jess]- wrote:

Ace Timing wrote:

All the more reason that two people should've died. The strongarm ability is separate of the brutality ability, so two people should have died.

What are you mean?

Ace Timing wrote:

Most probable thing that happened was one scum was inactive during the 48 hour period.

The chance is 50/50 or something.

Ace Timing claimed there, that it was strange how mafia killed only one person while they could kill two. Your answer indicates, that you thought the same. All the way through until my post NOONE put Ace's assumption into question, so I thought it would be like this. So I didn't believe Ace, instead I believed all of you. It's not even pure believing, as I put it in question before my "1-shot-bullet-proof"-assumption

-[Jess]- wrote:

you can always check the information in [ur=http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Matrix6]here[/url]

I already checked the Matrix6 thing. Theres no way I would've gotten to this conclusion without checking the Matrix:

sLaiNi wrote:

If Navizel actually is a Jailor AND the mafia has a strongarm, then we have a 1-shot-bulletproof town.

Thanks for pointing the website out in case I didn't know it, though.

sLaiNi wrote:

Ace Timing claimed there, that it was strange how mafia killed only one person while they could kill two. Your answer indicates, that you thought the same. All the way through until my post NOONE put Ace's assumption into question, so I thought it would be like this. So I didn't believe Ace, instead I believed all of you. It's not even pure believing, as I put it in question before my "1-shot-bullet-proof"-assumption

Sorry,I didn't though the same though on him,I am curious about his word.And why cause you think I and Ace has same though?

------------------------------------------
is late now,I have to sleep

One note before I am going to sleep:

sLaiNi wrote:

-[Jess]- wrote:

you can always check the information in [ur=http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Matrix6]here[/url]

I already checked the Matrix6 thing. Theres no way I would've gotten to this conclusion without checking the Matrix:

Try to check this forum,there have tons of Matrix6 gameplay

And make sure to check the QT

And make sure to check the QT

what?

Jeez, this went way too far, I was working under the presumption that each member of the mafia could pick one to kill, not that both killed one. This went really far for really no reason at all. Let's get back to the game instead of questioning the meta.

It would be great if people would stop posting for a while until Jess answers my question. I mean just post a prod dodge instead of contributing to the game.

-[Jess]- wrote:

And make sure to check the QT

tfw QT is quicktopic
tfw only scum can use said quick topic
tfw vote Jess

Wait, did Jess just fuck up everything for real?

Vote: Jess

Wait until she answeres, as Navi said.

That was before the huge scumslip

That's just 2 votes for a probable scumslip, don't get your knickers in a twist.

Navizel wrote:

It would be great if people would stop posting for a while until Jess answers my question. I mean just post a prod dodge instead of contributing to the game.

Nope it wasn't I guess.

Also there's no way Jess is going to respond immediately, as it is 3:50 AM where she is, she's probably asleep and won't wake up for 5-10 hours

oh well. just don't give new ideas.

Navizel wrote:

And make sure to check the QT

what?

Oh,I mean the surm Quicktopic of the past game.

Ace Timing wrote:

-[Jess]- wrote:

And make sure to check the QT

tfw QT is quicktopic
tfw only scum can use said quick topic
tfw vote Jess

No,Dead people can also use Quicktopic

sLaiNi wrote:

Wait until she answeres, as Navi said.

What?You want to wait me for 10 hours?

Whoops,a typo for one
'Scum'

-[Jess]- wrote:

Oh,I mean the surm Quicktopic of the past game

What?

-[Jess]- wrote:

No,Dead people can also use Quicktopic

But you are not dead, so that's irrelevant.

Nvm on that first one

You still can't see the QT from previous games. I checked.

Check this game t/221861&start=0

And Make sure you check all the pages