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qtpi plsAkali wrote:
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cookies have chocolate chips though. and I don't think a potato has ever been rank #1Banksia wrote:
Deep fried potato bits > deep fried cookie bits.
Can confirm potato is indeed tastier.
Unsure if you're talking about me but I kinda had to, because I was bored and needed the story. If you're talking about reddit op, I'd say it's because he/she/it was bored and/or needed the story.Riince wrote:
Score submission as it is now is a relic that worked perfectly in ppv1 which had it so that your place on the map was what decided the pp the play gave so the play with more score was always preferred regardless of mods or acc or w/e.
its been left this way today because it's relatively uncommon that this happens, and is very avoidable by the players, which makes it rather low priority on the list of things that need to be done to improve ppv2.
and yes it can happen on just about any map due to the nature of combo score scaling.
also holy hell that reddit post, never have i seen so much text convey so little purpose or interesting information. you dont need to write an essay to explain something that can be said in 2-3 sentences.
And yes, I know it's extremely specific to a single situation (higher acc play with less score than lower acc play), it happens often when conditions are "right". I think I just posted about it because it sounds pretty broken and incoherent to me.
it made perfect since in the previous system, i guess its just not so easy to change score submission and the nature of it caused it to be put on the backburner. something tells me it has more to do with Peppy than Tom so its a toss-up on when it will be fixed since peppy is one busy guy.bigfeh wrote:
I just posted about it because it sounds pretty broken and incoherent to me.
anyway i was talking about the reddit post not you
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I know it did. I remember ppv1Riince wrote:
it made perfect since in the previous system, i guess its just not so easy to change score submission and the nature of it caused it to be put on the backburner. something tells me it has more to do with Peppy than Tom so its a toss-up on when it will be fixed since peppy is one busy guy.bigfeh wrote:
I just posted about it because it sounds pretty broken and incoherent to me.
anyway i was talking about the reddit post not you
Also I realized you were talking about reddit op but I just can't read. Sorry for being a retard
PS: to anyone other than riince reading this, know that he often edits his posts multiple times minutes after posting, so you can make his quotes look retarded if you're fast enough
Also consider:
10x100 at start of map v 1x100 at end of map.
First one = far less pp, but since its a higher score...
GG. RIP peppy points.
10x100 at start of map v 1x100 at end of map.
First one = far less pp, but since its a higher score...
GG. RIP peppy points.
I dont like either combo based scoring nor score based leaderboards.
Cant we make that the combo multiplier is the max combo achieved and applies to all hit circles after you've finished the map? This way combo is still important but nobody gets this crap described above.
Cant we make that the combo multiplier is the max combo achieved and applies to all hit circles after you've finished the map? This way combo is still important but nobody gets this crap described above.
It happened me the other day, I passed a map with 98 acc , let's say it gave me 10 pp (not really, just as an example) then the next day I played it again got a higher score, but I had only 94 acc, and the play was worth 3 pp, so basically i lost 7 pp for getting better score with lower acc.
and yes the numbers are just made up but you get my point
and yes the numbers are just made up but you get my point
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This, exactly thisSh0keR wrote:
It happened me the other day, I passed a map with 98 acc , let's say it gave me 10 pp (not really, just as an example) then the next day I played it again got a higher score, but I had only 94 acc, and the play was worth 3 pp, so basically i lost 7 pp for getting better score with lower acc.
and yes the numbers are just made up but you get my point
Also you can definitely make plays that are worth more pp than your current "top play" but with less score, hence also ripping you of your pp and throwing it to shit. This happens way more (and way too) often
E m i
Yes. I was playing a map for fun while warming up yesterday, beat my old score with 1% less accuracy and lost PP. I had to spend about 30 minutes replaying the map to get my accuracy/PP back.bigfeh wrote:
Are there many maps in which this can happen?
So the moral of my story is to stop playing for fun because you will lose PP. :^)
but playing for fun means not caring about pp generallyBarusamikosu wrote:
So the moral of my story is to stop playing for fun because you will lose PP. :^)
secret
Happened to me several times, usually on "omg I might FC this, my hands can't stop shaking" moment. Yes, it is annoying. But I don't think it should be changed, because a game needs to troll its players in one way or another.osu! is secretly a game made by the world government to train perfection of future super gundam pilots. Which is why you need to defeat every enemy (score) and be accurate (accuracy) while doing it. Both matters, and you are only considered as improving (more pilot points) when you are able to pass a miniature assignment program with a better score and and accuracy. After all, the number of take downs (score) and ability to hit enemy robots when they're at their weakest (accuracy) are what matter on real fight outside of the game. Note that the world government consider failing to hit a target appropriately (combo break) is a sign of weakness and should be avoided at all cost, hence the severe impact it has on your score.
Fcing is fun.drum drum wrote:
but playing for fun means not caring about pp generallyBarusamikosu wrote:
So the moral of my story is to stop playing for fun because you will lose PP. :^)
The reason the scoring system hasn't changed is because it would change the leader boards which is something you really never want to mess with. The best solution is to add alternative leader boards that use a better scoring system. PP alone would kind of suck because it would result in way too many tied scores, so... yeah
deep fried catfish is best deep fry
deep fried catfish is best deep fry
E m i
Why not keep scoreboards, and have a separate scoreboard for pp?
That way both your highest score on a map, and your best performance on said map are tracked separately if different.
That way both your highest score on a map, and your best performance on said map are tracked separately if different.
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Thought of this too. Best solution that came to mind yetBanksia wrote:
Why not keep scoreboards, and have a separate scoreboard for pp?
That way both your highest score on a map, and your best performance on said map are tracked separately if different.
alternative solution: get better at accuracy
there is a feature request thread requesting this, and it's been around for like years, so it's not like people haven't been talking/complaining about it. You might as well go find that thread and post there/revive it.
t/220119 the original thread might have started as something different than what you are asking for, but there is quite of lot of other discussion there about other things as well, including what you guys have said.
alright, maybe it wasn't years ago, but time doesn't exist.
SPOILER
1)but i suck at accuracy!
-->suck it up bich
2)but it was such a great run until the last moments!
-->suck it up bich
3)why can't you be nice
-->have a basket of cookies
-->suck it up bich
2)but it was such a great run until the last moments!
-->suck it up bich
3)why can't you be nice
-->have a basket of cookies
there is a feature request thread requesting this, and it's been around for like years, so it's not like people haven't been talking/complaining about it. You might as well go find that thread and post there/revive it.
t/220119 the original thread might have started as something different than what you are asking for, but there is quite of lot of other discussion there about other things as well, including what you guys have said.
alright, maybe it wasn't years ago, but time doesn't exist.
Topic Starter
Sure, but then you get better at accuracy and instead of going from 150pp to 120pp, you go from 180pp to 150pp. I know it works but the system's still kinda broken. The very need of a "workaround" is proof of that (you don't need to work around something that works)winber1 wrote:
alternative solution: get better at accuracySPOILER1)but i suck at accuracy!
-->suck it up bich
2)but it was such a great run until the last moments!
-->suck it up bich
3)why can't you be nice
-->have a basket of cookies
there is a feature request thread requesting this, and it's been around for like years, so it's not like people haven't been talking/complaining about it. You might as well go find that thread and post there/revive it.
t/220119 the original thread might have started as something different than what you are asking for, but there is quite of lot of other discussion there about other things as well, including what you guys have said.
alright, maybe it wasn't years ago, but time doesn't exist.
SPOILER
1) acc doesn't suck too bad, kinda sucked it up
2) fucked up in the last combo multiples times, already sucked it up
3) thank you for the cookies
2) fucked up in the last combo multiples times, already sucked it up
3) thank you for the cookies
If you care about pp, memorize the accuracy of your top score, and restart on the last part if your score would override it with lower acc. (I'm assuming you care because you made a thread about it)
It's really easy to do, and built in solutions are a pain to implement, so that's probably why nobody's actually fixed it yet.
It's really easy to do, and built in solutions are a pain to implement, so that's probably why nobody's actually fixed it yet.
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Nope, I don't give a shit, yes, I've thought of that, nope, higher acc doesn't necessarily mean higher pp and yes, I just posted it because the system is broken. I intend to care about it some day-JaZe- wrote:
If you care about pp, memorize the accuracy of your top score, and restart on the last part if your score would override it with lower acc. (I'm assuming you care because you made a thread about it)
It's really easy to do, and built in solutions are a pain to implement, so that's probably why nobody's actually fixed it yet.
I remember playing a map months ago on hard with DT and i SS'd it got me like say 66 pp i think
then i played it with DTHD and got 2x 100 it was better than my old score but i lost pp...
it made me really sad...
then i played it with DTHD and got 2x 100 it was better than my old score but i lost pp...
it made me really sad...
I remember reading somewhere that Tom intends to make it so that if you override your score with different mods, the higher pp score will be counted. I think this is a necessary change, because if you override your HDHR SS with a HDFL play, I'm pretty sure you generally lose pp.
I believe that he has no intention of doing that within the same mod. Either way, this has been discussed to death already. The people who care have a workaround, and the people who don't can do whatever they want. Seems good enough to me.
I believe that he has no intention of doing that within the same mod. Either way, this has been discussed to death already. The people who care have a workaround, and the people who don't can do whatever they want. Seems good enough to me.
Today I tried to fc a song with better acc and I did it. Too bad it had a ninja note after the spinner and I lost pp.
I then spammed it to increase my acc again and I got the FC.
I then spammed it to increase my acc again and I got the FC.
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Kheldragar wrote:
Today I tried to fc a song with better acc and I did it. Too bad it had a ninja note after the spinner and I lost pp.
I then spammed it to increase my acc again and I got the FC.
illuminati confirmed
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/399738?m=0 was the map, not battle for everyone's souls that gained me +200.
That one's on my list of things to grind for pp when I can play it. I remember seeing it in so many people's top plays.
Happened to me 4 or 5 times total, the last one being just a bit ago -
map:
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/486619?m=0
97.47 sliderbreak @ 93% of the song =151pp
95.15 FC next try = 145
6 or 7 more tries after to try and fix acc with misses/sliderbreaks, started getting worse and worse, argh
I think it would be nice if there was an option to completely remove a score you have from your pp/rank- when i first FCd DMC a couple months ago with 84% acc and couldnt do it again, felt pretty bad about it being my top play and tanking my overall acc for so long.
Or maybe someone wants to delete a score to try and get it back for the challenge, clearing their scores when switching playstyle, coming back from a break, climb ladder again, etc.
map:
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/486619?m=0
97.47 sliderbreak @ 93% of the song =151pp
95.15 FC next try = 145
6 or 7 more tries after to try and fix acc with misses/sliderbreaks, started getting worse and worse, argh
I think it would be nice if there was an option to completely remove a score you have from your pp/rank- when i first FCd DMC a couple months ago with 84% acc and couldnt do it again, felt pretty bad about it being my top play and tanking my overall acc for so long.
Or maybe someone wants to delete a score to try and get it back for the challenge, clearing their scores when switching playstyle, coming back from a break, climb ladder again, etc.