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Ivalset
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I'll agree with Mogs that it is the best in the series, but christ, it is easy compared to 3. I don't think they realized how much easier they made it with the (re)addition of full party member control, essentially 3 free endures by the way of your party members (can't help you on aoe attacks, but still), and the overall changes to the "down" mechanics.

I guess there just wasn't enough Megidolaon for me.

It's also possible I was just really bad at p3, and I got better with p4. Hard mode in p4 was a walk in the park, but in p3 it was soul-crushing due to the lack of safety nets.
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Everyone gets a few cheap as hell deaths in 3. In 4, you'd be lucky (or unlucky, depending on your POV) to get three in an entire runthrough.

I find it really hard to go back into 3 after finishing 4 (twice). Maybe it's because 1 More only works if all enemies affected by the attack are hit and downed. Maybe it's the fact that I refuse to remove Thor's Hammer, and therefore miss first strike a lot of the time. Maybe it's because I'm still trying to juggle three girls at once and I don't remember how the hell I need to set it up so that none of them Reverse on me.

I really want Izanagi-no-Okami in my Compendium, damnit. He may suck horribly for most applications, but damn it, he's the World.
DawnII
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I dunno Ival, Persona 3 on Hard was retardedly easy for me as well. The only challenge I had throughout the entire game was Nyx, and I just leveled up a couple levels in the secret block and I wiped him in 10 minutes. Persona 4 at least provides no easy means of endgame leveling, making the final battles more about strategy than grinding. I do agree it seems easier due to the new mechanics, especially the 1 More even after a partially successful AOE attack. I think I had an overall more difficult time, however, with P4 than with P3. I also played them back-to-back.
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I agree that there are many aspects of 4 that make it easier than 3. The thing is, though, that I found battles in 4 to be a lot more strategic than in 3, but it may just be me. I'll have to go back to 3 after I beat 4 again, though, just to see. yay an excuse to replay persona 3

This time, I'm actually going for mastering social links. Most of my social links are either level 5 or 6, with the others either max'd or undiscovered (come on let me skip class dammit).

Also is it just me or do the Hanged Man and Death arcana Personae really kick ass?
Ivalset
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I've always been a fan of Justice Arcana, but I found myself using Strength/Chariots for most of p4.

I remember going into a battle in p3, neither side had advantage, the three enemies all used mabufu and everyone died. I just can't be assed to use a bow the entire game just to make sure I get advantage all the time. I'll give p3 another run when I'm done with Ar Tonelico 2.
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I've never lost an advantage in P3. Oh shit it's chasing me, run up some stairs. Hey it turned around, *THUNK* Doesn't matter what weapon I use, I can get the advantage every single battle. Pause trick is there as well, although I personally did not know about it until I beat the game.
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Zatoichi
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My friend was streaming P3 FES yesterday.

He found out that Shinji was wearing a Bulletproof Vest.

What.
Slain087
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Zatoichi wrote:

My friend was streaming P3 FES yesterday.

He found out that Shinji was wearing a Bulletproof Vest.

What.
Bulletproof vests do not have adequate protection at close range. Depending on the make, point-blank shots can either go right through or cause internal damage from the kinetic force. The internal material, again depending on the make, can shatter and cause shrapnel to interact with the body.
Zatoichi
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My friend is streaming right now. I just posted what you said to him. This is his response.

Tanasinn: BULLSHIT
Tanasinn: HE DIDN'T GET SHOT FROM 'CLOSE RANGE'
Tanasinn: HE GOT SHOT FROM MEDIUM RANGE
ωRICE: Also from a bullet that does NOT EVEN 80 DAMAGE
Two_old
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I got bored of persona 3 and 4 right before the end bosses of both of them. I was lucky in persona 4 and found the accessory that lets you survive with 1 hp in the bath house, but still lost hours to bs deaths.
Slain087
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Well, considering that Junpei nukes one of them with a Agidyne spell when the said person has a Persona immune to Fire, I guess we just chalk it up to Gameplay and Story Segregation (Warning: Slain does not take any responsibility for any time wasted on TVTropes as a result of this link).

Oh, and after looking it up on Wikipedia, it's entirely possible that [Revolver Jesus] uses bullets with non-deformable material cores. Since deforming bullets to increase surface area is all bulletproof vests do, it is entirely possible for a bullet with such a core to go right through. I also remember stories of bulletproof vests failing even at mid-to-long range.

I don't remember the cutscene too well, so eh.
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Ivalset
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You can't turn a persona 4 discussion into a Persona 3 Portable discussion. Not allowed unless I edit the title of this thread to Persona Series discussion or Shin Megami Tensei series discussion.

So which do you want?
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Playing this on a emulator. Didn't want to buy a PS2 for just 2 games (Persona 4 and Tales of the Abyss).
12 hours and counting @ the bathhouse!
Ivalset
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I'm super excited about female main for Persona 3 Portable.
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I approve
adam2046
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I heard The Answer will not be included.
:(
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Two wrote:

I got bored of persona 3 and 4 right before the end bosses of both of them. I was lucky in persona 4 and found the accessory that lets you survive with 1 hp in the bath house, but still lost hours to bs deaths.
You must be joking. Persona 4 was the by far easiest turn-based RPG I've ever played. The only boss battle I had any problems with was Izanami, but fusing better Personas solved that problem.

Persona 3 seems to be slightly more difficult, but very little grinding has been involved so far (currently at the end of block 2).
Ivalset
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Hardest part of persona games are the first 5 hours.

Also if you're not playing on expert mode you're not playing the game.
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Lovely Hama and Mudo.

You gotta love them.

But that gets thrown out the window by the 10th hour in P4. :(

P3P looks promising.. Atlus never disappoints. Y'know, I REALLY want to know how the dating works with MShe, now.

And Persona 3 sure is gonna be the cash cow.

EDIT: Lol. Sorry, it was just some impulse. I'm normal now.
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I'm sleepy
Zatoichi
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(12:00:59 PM) Archetype: Too bad P3P will never be released in Amerikkka.
(12:01:12 PM) Archetype: Just like Fatal Frame 4.
Mogsy
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So, bumping this thread due to the Persona remake for PSP. It's actually a huge improvement over the original (mostly because the original was shit), and the battle system doesn't seem to suck as hard as it used to. Maybe because it feels much less like you're trudging through mud.
Remco32
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Anyone has tips on fusing Persona's on P4? I just blindly try some combinations...
Zatoichi
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The only time I fused personas was when I needed to make a Melee-strong persona for the Kanji fight. Never fused any personas other than the special fusions.

I want Ivalset to map the female overworld theme for P3P.
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Remco32 wrote:

Anyone has tips on fusing Persona's on P4? I just blindly try some combinations...
Get Black Frost. You won't need to fuse another Persona again (with the exception of Trumpeter endgame).
Ivalset
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Just use strength personas for the entire game.

YOU WIN !

And of course Trumpeter for end game. If you catch the good fusion forecast near/at end game, and you have the persona to make him, you can use Yoshitsune instead.

Edit: Oh man, I finally got a hold of the female mc battle theme. Shit owns.
Remco32
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SPOILER
Cool, stripclub dungeon :D
Loginer
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Increase your internal res. Now.
Remco32
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Loginer wrote:

Increase your internal res. Now.
Got some extra frames by not playing in 720p
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Remco32
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Do equiped weapons affect your skill damage?
Ivalset
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I honestly can't remember, but I don't think they do. I think they have seperate power ratings/accuracy.
Mogsy
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Remco32 wrote:

Do equiped weapons affect your skill damage?
Just weapon damage.
Remco32
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Mogsworth wrote:

Remco32 wrote:

Do equiped weapons affect your skill damage?
Just weapon damage.
Does this include melee skills too, or only regular attacks?
rust45
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I just got P4 (after playing and beating P3) and it's taking a little for me to get used to. The way the dungeons work feel odd cause of the camera angle and it's much harder to sneak up on enemies. Although I do think the Battle System has improved and AI of computers are much better. Most of the time I just let my team do what they want cause I'm used to it, but when it's needed (such as a boss) I'll just take control of all of them.
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rust45 wrote:

and it's much harder to sneak up on enemies
Kehehe
Ivalset
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After about floor 5 in the first dungeon, sneaking up on enemies was easy.

Then again, I always used two handed swords/fists in p3, so not much changed in timing.
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Ivalset
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Oh, that sounds really boring. I always just run up to them and hit them. Even if they see me first. 55/100 times I get advantage since they're stupid, 44/100 it's just normal, and every now and then I swing early.

I've been doing the same thing in P3P, but it's kind of bad, since enemies get advantage pretty often if they see you on maniac, and with the p4 battle system elements, eating multiple ma-elemental spells is kind of painful.
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P1 is still fantastic, guys. Except when it comes to some of the characters. A lot of your party members are unlikeable douches, especially if you go for playing with Ayase in your party.
rust45
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Ivalset wrote:

Oh, that sounds really boring. I always just run up to them and hit them. Even if they see me first. 55/100 times I get advantage since they're stupid, 44/100 it's just normal, and every now and then I swing early.
Well it worked well and made it a hell of a lot easier to grind.
Remco32
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I love my quicksave/load function


Also bump
Loginer
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There's nothing quite like ruining a good game with cheats.
Ivalset
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http://www.atlus.com/p3p/home.html

English p3p announced, or at least Atlus finally decided to e-mail me about it.

7/6/10, god damn that's far away.
Bestelle
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Ivalset wrote:

7/6/10, god damn that's far away.
Too far... I need mah female lead. Of course I'm also getting it for the extra scenes. Apparently they added moar for the male protagonist.
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Who are playing the New Shin Megami Tensei Strange Journey?
Ivalset
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I should be playing this, but I was distracted by disgaea 3 and resonance of fate. Hell, going to play it now.
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I would be playing Strange Journey, but I have run out of game money that isn't going towards either Infinite Space or Resonance of Fate. :C
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Basically what Mogs said, only with different games.
rust45
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My brother got Strange Journey but he's been hogging it all the time. Although since he's got finished with every ending in Devil Survivor, I've been playing that, on the last day on Yuzu's ending, the last battle is fucking hard compared to Loki though.
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Gin's route is hilariously awesome.
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Leon Magnus wrote:

Who are playing the New Shin Megami Tensei Strange Journey?
I am, and really hooked to this. i'm on 3rd sector now, bit stuck on part where you are supposed to play "hide-and-seek" with Horkos.. can't find any hidden doors i could be able to open with currect technology i have.
I like this lot more than devil survivor, must be cause of oldschool factor though.

EDIT: Not stuck anymore.
rust45
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Well, just beat Yuzu's ending on Devil Survivor after a lot of grinding and fusing much better demons. Still, I think I got lucky with Amane and Inzuna cause I beat both of them first time I initiated battle. I supposed it helped that I had 31 magic and Holy Dance.

On the New Game+ now and it's really easy, can't wait till I get near the end where it might start to be a challenge again.
Ivalset
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Damn, playing Strange Journey now. Sooo good. I'd say it's better than Devil Survivor, but that's entirely dependant on what you want from a game; SRPGs are a bit low on my list of enjoyment.
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Haven't gotten to Strange Journey yet, but I got these Demon Passwords in the e-mail. Dunno if people already know about these.

"Left hand freeze
Right hand shock"
"Prophecy of wind"
"Thick red skin"
"Soothing ice"
rust45
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Ivalset wrote:

Damn, playing Strange Journey now. Sooo good. I'd say it's better than Devil Survivor, but that's entirely dependant on what you want from a game; SRPGs are a bit low on my list of enjoyment.
I kinda enjoy SRPGs more due to the fact I get a better feeling of depth in battles. Me, I haven't played Strange Journey much at all (in fact I have to start over cause somehow my brother overwrote my file) but it felt good to play, but I never got to those poison, sleep, and damage floors my brother keeps having trouble with.
Remco32
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On what do you guys base which characters you bring in Persona (3/4)? I'm currently playing P3FES and I encounter the same problem I had in P4: I don't know who I should bring. I just keep using the same characters now.
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Buffs, attacker, and healer on most cases for P3. This was partly because I went against the final boss with low level Personas(quite literally, most of mine were 10 or more levels below me, and my healer was Titania). Of course while playing through you have to consider elements during the floor boss fights. What they're weak against, they're strengths, etc.
Unless they have neither so just go with whatever works.
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Remco32 wrote:

On what do you guys base which characters you bring in Persona (3/4)? I'm currently playing P3FES and I encounter the same problem I had in P4: I don't know who I should bring. I just keep using the same characters now.
I played it ultra safe in P4 and used Yosuke, Yukiko, and Teddie for the majority of the game. A bit lacking in raw damage potential, especially physical, but covers three of the four elements (with the MC picking up the slack of course, Electricity in this case), all three have healing skills, two can revive, and all three buffs are covered with Teddie and Yosuke.
The main weaknesses I ran into other than low damage were that Yukiko and Teddie BOTH don't lose their weaknesses when their personae evolve and naturally, Teddie's walking noise.
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Revival of the MegaTen thread due to the N.A. release of Persona 3 Portable.

FeMC actually makes playing through this game again a hell of a lot more worth it. Interesting to see how the game works in this new perspective. It is still P3 with a P4 skin, though, so if you enjoyed how P4 functioned (direct control of party members, protag only being able to equip one weapon type, square-jump, etc.), you'd enjoy how P3P plays.
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Almost done with Persona 3 btw. I'm loving it.
Ivalset
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Man, I got like the best skillchange on a Principality.



Does like 2-4 hits of 100-150 slash damage to all foes, pretty high hit rate too. I think it's the Persona 4 version, because I remember the persona 3 version being 1-3 hits or singletarget. Probably just going to use him the entire game and just add skills to him with skillcards.

Maniac is a breeze so far, aside from a few gigas sonic punch ohkos.
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I haven't done maniac yet, I'm planning on doing it with the male MC after a do a couple playthroughs with the female. I am enjoying the new stuff for the female MC though. So far I'm close to the first full moon battle.
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Oh man, the Vision Quest bosses are pretty awesome. Sure, they're just rehashes of old fights, but they're actually pretty difficult at around level 70. The puzzle rooms are cool too, and give a shitload of items (like 10 of each king card, 10 of each queen card, and several skill cards: arms master, spell master, power charge, mind charge, enduring soul)

Whee, random pics. Shuffle time screenshots always look awesome to me, everyone is just sort of doing their own thing.



Santa and maid outfits.



And the succubus I've been using for the entire game. Skillcards are ridiculous.

rust45
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Holy crap, max Strength at level 67? How'd you pull that off?
Ivalset
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Some Kings of Swords. I had a lot of onyx lying around, so I put them to use. It's now level 85 with 99/99/72/94/99.
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So I just got to the last part op Persona 3, and I have a question about it.
So for killing the last miniboss in Tartarus the Nix annihilation team social link got maxed. Since Nix is 'unbeatable', am I supposed to fuse Messiah in order to win the battle?
Please don't use spoilers :(
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Remco32 wrote:

So I just got to the last part op Persona 3, and I have a question about it.
So for killing the last miniboss in Tartarus the Nix annihilation team social link got maxed. Since Nix is 'unbeatable', am I supposed to fuse Messiah in order to win the battle?
Please don't use spoilers :(
SPOILER IT DO IT
Ivalset
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Remco32 wrote:

So I just got to the last part op Persona 3, and I have a question about it.
So for killing the last miniboss in Tartarus the Nix annihilation team social link got maxed. Since Nix is 'unbeatable', am I supposed to fuse Messiah in order to win the battle?
Please don't use spoilers :(
No, not at all. The last boss of persona 4 was supposedly unbeatable as well.
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That saves me some grinding, thanks.
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I finally finished Persona 3: FES. The final boss took me 100 minutes.
The credits are now rolling and I still have some burning question
Didn't the PC die after fighting Nix?
What happened after the PC closed his eyes on the roof with Aigis?
If you killed Rioyi (or how you're supposed to spell it), life just goes one and the world didn't end. How could that happen?
What happens in The Answer?
What is different in new game +?

Persona 3 is an awesome game. Might be the best JRPG I have ever played. The ingame counter says that I played for 70 hours. I'm not sure how accurate that is, since I was playing on an emulator speeding up thing and quicksaving/loading.
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Remco32 wrote:

Didn't the PC die after fighting Nix?
What happened after the PC closed his eyes on the roof with Aigis?
If you killed Rioyi (or how you're supposed to spell it), life just goes one and the world didn't end. How could that happen?
1. Explained in The Answer
2. Explained in the Answer, ask someone else to tell you for I am lazy.
3.Technically, it does. The ending on that is showing they're oblivious about what's going to happen. So they don't know that the world is in fact going to end, hence the whole partying, etc.
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So, I actually want thoughts on Nocturne. Since I'm possibly getting it in a few days. So, thoughts.
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I've played a bit of Nocturne, playing it on hard mode, died in the tutorial fight. When I got to Matador and couldn't beat him after hours of grinding, I went "fuck this" and started a normal playthrough. Haven't gotten to where I am in the hard file though.
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Nocturne owns and you will love it.
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Ivalset wrote:

Nocturne owns and you will love it.
Pretty much this.

Prepare to grind.
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Ordered a free Jack Frost mousepad.

I already love it!
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Could someone explain to me how the stats (like Strength, Magic, Endurance, etc) work?
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Strength increases damage dealt with normal attacks and physical skills. It works against the opponent's endurance.
Magic increases damage dealt with magical skills. Also works against the opponent's endurance.
Endurance reduces all damage taken.
Agility determines evasion, accuracy, and turn order (aside from boss fights, in which turn order is fixed).
Luck affects critical hit chance, evasion, status ailment resistance and instant death resistance.

For an example of how strength and endurance work, we can look at the damage formula for Persona 4 (obtained here)

Damage = 5 x sqrt(ST/EN x ATK) x MOD x HITS X RND

DMG = Damage
ST = Character's Strength stat
EN = Enemy's Endurance stat
ATK = Atk value of equipped weapon OR Pwr value of used skill
MOD = Modifier based on the difference between character level and enemy level
HITS= Number of hits (for physical skills)
RND = Randomness factor
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This trailer fucking rocks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZfTlqB-xyc
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Catherine is a game I am getting day one if/when it gets released over here. It looks interesting, and is quite the step for Atlus.

lol@Vincent's P3P cameo, though
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What Mogsworth said. Day 1 for me.
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My first ever 5-way fuse.
Also bumping this thread.
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Hee ho!
Haven't played any SMT in so long since I'm not really in the mood for turn based RPGs.
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SPOILER

Greatest bossbattle thusfar.
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Where's Teddie to be found in the game during the day? I want to get his social link higher, but I can't seem to find him anywhere. I just finished the videogame dungeon.
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His social link is automatic, like Death in P3.
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I'm at what I think that is the final boss. I have one major issue with the fight: I run out of SP, and I don't have any effective SP restore items. Any tips?
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You mean, you don't even have any somas? I can't really think of anything to do, just what is the boss and what's your team?
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How does one run out of somas? Well, then again, I never use mine.
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I always save full restoration items for the final battle(s) Unless I get plenty (Like SJ when it came to beads), but still only for bosses. And then I try to keep some if the New Game+ carries on items.
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rust45 wrote:

I always save full restoration items for the final battle(s) Unless I get plenty (Like SJ when it came to beads), but still only for bosses. And then I try to keep some if the New Game+ carries on items.
Yeah, me too. I only used a full HP/SP once IIRC. These are all the SP healing items I have:

How do I obtain somas?
rust45
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Joined May 2009
rust45
IIRC the Soma's in P4 are not random, they are all limited. And I can't remember where you get them. If you're pretty close to beating the boss, a chewing soul on your healer may keep you alive long enough.
WhoAteFred
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Joined January 2010
WhoAteFred
I think I found a soma or two in a locked chest. (or were those the ones after sub-bosses?)
Anyways, you can always just go dungeon-crawl for more snuff souls.
Ivalset
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Ivalset
Just buy like 99 macca leaves, those things own way too hard.

You have the chakra ring or whatever, right?
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