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caren_sk

Joined October 2010

Topic Starter

caren_sk 2014-12-15T10:14:06+00:00

Cherry Blossom wrote:
KRN's Hard
There is a large gap between Normal and this diff concerning Approach Rate, so, dicrease AR to 7.5 or 7. it's 200 bpm is high object density... AR7 or 7.5 would be really hard to read
To avoid future problems, i recommend you to remove all triples and streams, and you can keep kick sliders or reversed 1/4s. I say this because it wont hurt the diff gap between this diff and Insane, it will make the diff gap between this diff and Normal better.
00:01:291 (1,2) - The distance between these objects is a little extreme for the beginning, it should be better to reduce it to start playing this diff correctly. if you apply this suggestions do it for 00:01:891 (3,4) - too. fix
00:17:041 (4,5,6) - kick sliders are not really easy to handle for a Hard player, so you should give time to players to understand what they are playing, so i recommend you to reduce the distance between these objects. fix
00:19:591 (2) - missing clap fix
00:19:891 (3,4,5,6,1) - Here too, this pattern is really hard to handle for Hard players, consider that 200 BPM is fast and the player may not be really able to tap well, if you really want to keep circles, just arrange these objects like this for a better movement to make this pattern more comfortable to play :
SPOILER
Or stack them as you did for 00:31:891 (3,4,5,6) - fix
00:21:991 (6,7) - this looks not really comfortable to play because of the stacked circles, if you want to keep them, just avoid the little jump and make the distance consistent. slider leniency makes it easy enough
00:35:791 (8) - fix spacing here.
00:51:541 (4,5,6) - It is really hard to handle this pattern for a hard player, because of the linear flow you used and the stacked circles. I mean the jump between 4 and 5. I have an idea, why don't to flip horizontally this slider 00:51:091 (3) - ? just see, it will avoid the jump : prefer the flow here.
SPOILER
00:52:291 (8,9) - this is confusing, because you also stacked 1/2s and this 1/4 looks out of place and hard to get and it could be confusing with 00:52:891 (1,2) - too, i recommend you to unstack these objects. fix
00:59:191 (3) - add NC here for SV change, and here too 01:08:791 (3) - fix
01:38:191 (2) - this is not really expected, i mean, the jump is really large (4.00x) and it can be unexpected because the previous slider is slow. It should be better if the distance between the slider and this circle is lower. fix
01:54:391 (8,9,10) - the jump between stacked circles and the next slider is a bit too much imo, the pattern is fast enough and i think it is not really necessary to add more difficulty here, so try to move 01:54:391 (8,9,10) - to 316|348 circle-slider jump is easier so i think it's fine
02:06:091 (4,5) - this stacked circle is misleading, as i said above it is confusing with 1/2, it should be better if you unstack this circle from the slider's end to make this pattern easier to get and read. an unstacked one is actually harder to hit with so i keep this
02:34:291 (3,4,5) - the linear flow is not really a good idea imo, because of the BPM, it is really difficult to handle circles on a straight line if the BPM is high, there should be less distance between these objects. slider leniency varies the flow here. and i don't have any problem playing with the current pattern ;_;
02:40:591 (8,1) - the distance between these objects is quite large compared to what you did before, it should be better if there is less distance between these sliders to be consistent with jumps you made before. fix
02:43:891 (3,4) - This is hard to read because the player think there is another reverse, but there is only a single reverse on this slider, it should be better if you unstack these objects to make this pattern easier to read for players. fix
03:12:541 (7,8) - fix distance between these objects, just to be consistent with the default DS you set. fix
03:34:591 (4,5) - i've tested a few times, and i don't think this jump is expected here, it seems quite random, it should be better if you avoid this jump. a slider jump is quite easy to catch so i'm keeping this.
03:39:391 - i don't really understand why you didn't map this tick, this is the strongest beat you can hear and it sounds weird if it is skipped, so you should make it followed or played.fix
03:45:991 (3) - this is not really noticeable, it is really fast, that's why it wont be noticeable if you overlap this slider with 03:45:391 (9) - . It should be better if you avoid this overlap, and move this slider 03:45:991 (3) - upward like 416|40. fix
03:49:291 (5,6,7,8) - this is a bit tricky to play imo, this can be quickly confusing because both circles are stacked, Plus the jump here 03:49:141 (4,5) - does not really help, Make something more simple, as you always did on this map for this kind of pattern, just see (6 and 7 are stacked) fix
SPOILER

This is better than last time, things are arranged to be simpler.
But i think this Hard needs more improvement concerning rhythm, flow and aesthetics. So try to find more mods for this diff.

Red parts are worded by Oracle to express caren's thoughts more accurately. Requested by caren_sk.

+re-check by [ Karen ]
+IRC change

18:38 [ Karen ]: 00:01:591 (2) - x 312 y 96 00:02:191 (4) - x 432 y 244 move plz~
18:52 [ Karen ]: 残りの修正ところはありません ~

update !!

THX Cherry Blossom ,Oracle ,[ Karen ] !!

Enon

2,690 posts

Joined November 2012

Enon 2014-12-16T10:41:50+00:00

soon

DDDDD

Cherry Blossom

3,185 posts

Joined October 2011

Cherry Blossom 2014-12-16T14:20:50+00:00

Kodora wrote:
I set new combos follow actual music/vocals/patterns while Irie set them on every big white tick - not a big issue imo as we two are different mappers, unless you can point out some specified ones which goes out of place.[/color]

Please, Consistency. Are you drunk ?
Let's do a nazi NC mod for you.

NCs to add :

00:12:091 (3) -
01:14:491 (3) -
01:45:691 (3) -
02:38:491 (3) -
02:43:291 (3) -
03:12:091 (5) -
03:31:291 (3) -
03:36:091 (3) -
04:09:691 (4) -

KRN's Hard

00:57:691 (1) - missing finish

~~Call me back for rebbuble.~~
Now, it looks fine. Rebubbled. (i just realized that i ninja'ed mappers ;w; nvm, this recheck was applied before rebubble)

Last edited by Cherry Blossom 2014-12-16T14:44:36+00:00, edited 3 times in total.

caren_sk

782 posts

Joined October 2010

Topic Starter

caren_sk 2014-12-16T14:27:35+00:00

THX Cherry Blossom !!

all fixed !!

Lari

367 posts

Joined June 2013

Lari 2014-12-16T14:29:36+00:00

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224,176,241291,2,0,L|212:264,2,74.9999952316285,2|0|8,0:0|0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
160,108,241741,1,2,0:0:0:0:
152,232,241891,2,0,P|200:272|284:240,1,149.999990463257,0|10,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
428,84,242491,6,0,P|448:124|456:160,1,74.9999952316285,0|2,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
432,232,242791,2,0,P|360:216|296:260,1,149.999990463257,8|2,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
256,324,243241,1,2,0:2:0:0:
196,268,243391,2,0,L|184:184,1,74.9999952316285,8|2,0:0|0:2,0:0:0:0:
124,136,243691,2,0,L|76:104,2,37.4999976158143,0|0|2,0:0|0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
192,88,243991,2,0,L|292:72,1,74.9999952316285,8|2,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
200,168,244291,2,0,P|140:216|64:188,1,149.999990463257,2|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
124,136,244741,1,2,0:2:0:0:
200,168,244891,6,0,L|280:152,1,74.9999952316285,0|2,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
348,192,245191,2,0,B|404:208|452:160|452:160|480:204,1,149.999990463257,8|2,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
470,189,245641,1,2,0:2:0:0:
380,120,245791,2,0,P|320:120|292:140,1,74.9999952316285,8|2,0:0|0:2,0:0:0:0:
276,200,246091,2,0,B|276:256|276:256|264:284|264:284|264:352,2,149.999990463257,2|8|2,0:0|0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
276,200,246841,1,2,0:2:0:0:
196,180,246991,2,0,B|120:200|76:168|76:168|80:152|100:144,1,149.999990463257,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
91,148,247441,5,2,0:0:0:0:
160,104,247591,2,0,L|244:92,1,74.9999952316285,10|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
344,176,247891,2,2,B|284:184|284:184|252:172|252:172|196:180,1,149.999990463257,2|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
128,228,248341,1,2,0:2:0:0:
184,288,248491,2,0,P|212:252|208:208,1,74.9999952316285,0|2,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
269,62,248791,2,0,P|246:91|240:128,1,74.9999952316285,10|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
324,124,249091,2,0,B|384:156|444:112|444:112|468:132,2,149.999990463257,2|8|0,0:0|0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
292,200,249841,5,2,0:0:0:0:
292,200,249991,2,0,L|328:280,1,74.9999952316285,10|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
280,348,250291,2,0,L|212:200,1,149.999990463257,2|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
136,216,250741,1,2,0:2:0:0:
176,288,250891,2,0,P|248:296|300:236,1,149.999990463257,6|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
344,172,251341,1,0,0:0:0:0:
392,236,251491,2,0,L|400:316,2,74.9999952316285,0|0|2,0:0|0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
256,72,252091,5,4,0:0:0:0:

caren_sk

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caren_sk 2014-12-16T14:31:28+00:00

Karen-chan !!
update done!

caren_sk

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caren_sk 2014-12-16T15:30:56+00:00

IRC modding by Kloyd
t/267133

hard
add NC
01:34:891 (1) -
01:43:291 (1) -

update!!
sorry,Cherry Blossom

Secretpipe

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Secretpipe 2014-12-17T06:44:24+00:00

Alleeeeez Cherry

Vuelo Eluko

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Vuelo Eluko 2014-12-17T10:24:36+00:00

the magic of the map will be gone if ranked

Enon

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Enon 2014-12-17T16:45:06+00:00

Magnolia

Magnolia 2014-12-18T00:36:22+00:00

rank?

Raiku

238 posts

Joined April 2012

Raiku 2014-12-18T00:39:33+00:00

I will be looking at this with caren tonight, its about time I got round to doing this, I feel like this is a big thing for CRN so I will rank this when he gets online!

Enon

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Enon 2014-12-18T07:30:14+00:00

Raiku wrote:
I will be looking at this with caren tonight, its about time I got round to doing this, I feel like this is a big thing for CRN so I will rank this when he gets online!

yayy

Oracle

571 posts

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Oracle 2014-12-19T02:05:22+00:00

........i prefer the state without that new diff
rip never ranked

Enon

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Enon 2014-12-19T07:29:18+00:00

.

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rEdo

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rEdo 2014-12-19T22:24:52+00:00

caren_sk wrote:
CRN's Nomal : me

Is that on purpose, or is it supposed to be "Normal", but you misspelled it?

caren_sk

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caren_sk 2014-12-19T23:13:36+00:00

omg...tired...thx!!

Kodora

Kodora 2014-12-20T00:02:39+00:00

Testplay + IRC mod o/

I also completely disagree with Ora. This diff is very well-made and good enough to feed spread.

Go CRN!!

SPOILER

02:14 Kodora: crn <3
02:14 caren_sk: hi!!
02:14 Kodora: wanna IRCmod for your nomal diff
02:14 caren_sk: ok sure thx!!
02:14 Kodora: cuz it's generally fine
02:14 Kodora: oh yeah <3
02:16 Kodora: okk let's start
02:16 *Kodora is editing [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/564287 t+pazolite - Cheatreal [Normal]]
02:17 caren_sk: ok
02:17 Kodora: disable letterbox during breaks, same as in other diffs
02:17 Kodora: background looks ugly with letterboxes on
02:18 caren_sk: ok, all off
02:18 Kodora: Diff is generally fine and well-designed, but technically due to some pretty big jumps, fast 1/4 sliders, SV changes and insane-ish patterns it's technically plays like a soft Hard diff. Consider rename it to Hard?
02:18 Kodora: it's fine to keep it as additional hard diff
02:19 caren_sk: ok ,good explain !!
02:19 caren_sk: rename hard
02:19 Kodora: <3
02:19 Kodora: AR5 feels quite low and doesn't works well with your patterns, making them extremely hard to read. Increase AR by two ticks (AR 7), that's would solve problems with readability.
02:20 caren_sk: AR7 ok!!
02:21 Kodora: HP Drain 3 is also works more Normal-ish and makes diff extremely easy to pass. Raise it by two ticks to make it more challenging, please.
02:23 caren_sk: +2 !!
02:24 Kodora: [list][*]00:03:691 (5,6) - Make tail of the first slider and next note go with Normal sampleset instead.
02:25 caren_sk: ok
02:25 caren_sk: 00:03:691 (5) - nomal hit sound
02:26 Kodora: 00:15:541 (6,7,8) - This is extremely tricky to read, especially with your AR choice.
02:27 Kodora: 00:15:541 (6,7) - just stack them together
02:27 Kodora: with head of new slider
02:27 caren_sk: AR7~
02:28 caren_sk: 00:15:691 (1) - add nc ?
02:28 Kodora: I'd add
02:28 Kodora: 00:24:091 (1) - remove finish from head & add whistle
02:29 Kodora: (basically what I did on Normal)
02:29 Kodora: 00:27:691 (4) - clap on repeat
02:29 caren_sk: ok
02:29 Kodora: 00:28:591 (5) - missed clap
02:30 Kodora: 00:33:691 (1) - same as above, remove finish & add whistle
02:30 Kodora: 00:37:891 (3,4) - can you please space them a little bit closer?
02:31 Kodora: it's kind of harsh jump appers here
02:31 Kodora: while rest of diff isn't jumpy at all
02:31 Kodora: 00:38:191 (5) - remove clap
02:32 caren_sk: ok
02:34 Kodora: 00:56:491 (3,4) - unstack it a little bit from head
02:34 caren_sk: ok
02:34 Kodora: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/2363430
02:35 Kodora: 01:15:691 (4,5) - same, would be better to unstack it a bit to avoid problems with ranking..
02:36 caren_sk: wow
02:36 Kodora: yeah, hidden stuff might be questionable for BATs >_>
02:38 Kodora: 01:32:491 (3) - missed clap on tail
02:38 Kodora: 01:33:691 (5) - NC pls <3
02:38 Kodora: 01:48:091 (1) - finish on head
02:39 caren_sk: ok !! a lot missed XD
02:41 Kodora: 02:06:091 (1) - I'd unstack this one also
02:41 Kodora: 02:31:291 (1,2) - can you please replace this section with 1/1 sliders?
02:42 Kodora: buz two 2/1 one sounds pretty bland d:
02:43 caren_sk: 02:31:291 (1,2) -
02:43 caren_sk: change~!
02:43 caren_sk: return and cicle ×2　！
02:43 caren_sk: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/2363454
02:44 caren_sk: http://puu.sh/dBEr0/d40ec38370.jpg
02:44 Kodora: good too :3
02:45 Kodora: 02:47:491 (7) - clap on head
02:45 Kodora: 02:52:891 (5,6) - remove claps fgrom heads
02:45 Kodora: and add claps to tails
02:47 Kodora: 02:54:091 (1,1) - two spinners doesn't fit here well :<
02:48 Kodora: and you covered strong beats using it
02:48 Kodora: http://puu.sh/dBEGl/826dccfda5.jpg try to use 2/1 slider + note instead of first one
02:48 Kodora: 02:55:291 (1) - and map this one using 1/1 pls
02:53 caren_sk: ok add note
02:55 Kodora: 03:43:291 (1) - finish to head
02:55 caren_sk: ojk
02:55 caren_sk: omg
02:55 caren_sk: ok
02:55 Kodora: 04:00:991 (4,1) - this may be unstacked too since it's just a copy of previous pattern
02:56 Kodora: that's all /o/
02:56 Kodora: very nice hard diff <3
02:57 caren_sk: !!
02:57 caren_sk: thx!!kodoraa!!!
02:58 Kodora: <33
02:59 caren_sk: want to give you kudosu !
02:59 Kodora: ok >w<

caren_sk

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caren_sk 2014-12-20T00:03:09+00:00

thx kodora !!

caren_sk

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Topic Starter

caren_sk 2014-12-20T00:28:05+00:00

everyone thx !!

Satellite

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Satellite 2014-12-20T05:24:18+00:00

irc on hard diff

13:58 *caren_sk is listening to [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/564287 t+pazolite - Cheatreal]
13:59 caren_sk: hardがわからないので
13:59 caren_sk: 感想もいただけたら・・・
14:00 Satellite: 00:16:291 (3,4) -
14:00 caren_sk: こういった譜面でいいのか不安ｗ
14:00 Satellite: 流石に近すぎるから３を
14:00 Satellite: x164 y60あたりに
14:00 Satellite: 持ってこよう
14:01 caren_sk: かしこ！
14:01 Satellite: 00:21:391 (5) -
14:01 Satellite: これもDSがいきなり小さくなってるからやりづらいと思います
14:01 Satellite: 00:23:791 (6) - ここと同じようなパターンを使用するのであれば
14:01 Satellite: DS1.3くらいで配置したほうがよさそうに思えました
14:02 caren_sk: ok !
14:02 Satellite: あとこちらのHardはバランス的には
14:02 Satellite: HP4 OD5でいいんじゃないかな
14:02 caren_sk: ok!!
14:03 Satellite: 00:27:391 (3) - ここも他のパターンに比べたら
14:03 Satellite: 飛びすぎだから
14:03 Satellite: x408 y80二移動して
14:03 Satellite: 終点のgridを
14:03 Satellite: x456 y64にして
14:03 Satellite: 三角形意識してみるのはどう？
14:04 Satellite: http://puu.sh/dBXak/ff95e046b3.jpg
14:05 Satellite: 00:32:941 (6) - ここは意図的にジャンプをいれてるならまだいいけど
14:05 caren_sk: ok!!
14:05 Satellite: 普通にDS1.6でspacing広げてあげるだけでも難易度向上には十分だと思う
14:05 Satellite: http://puu.sh/dBXeE/c08f61c9c5.jpg
14:06 Satellite: 00:34:291 (2,3,4,5,6,7) - かなりわかりづらい
14:06 Satellite: 00:34:291 (2,3) - これだけでも両方1/2 sliderに変更して
14:07 Satellite: 00:29:491 (3,4,5,6,7,8) - こことパターンあわせたほうがいい
14:07 Satellite: DSも同じようにね
14:08 caren_sk: ok !!
14:08 Satellite: 00:37:141 (4,1) - スライダー真下にスタックは避けた方が好ましい
14:08 caren_sk: !!
14:09 caren_sk: そうなのかｗ
14:09 Satellite: 1個ならいいけど
14:09 Satellite: 連続はやめておいたほうがいいかも
14:09 caren_sk: 了解ですー
14:09 Satellite: 00:56:491 (3,4) - 音に合ってない
14:09 caren_sk: プレイのしやすさ的な理由？
14:09 Satellite: そうそう
14:09 Satellite: これが難しめのＨａｒｄならいいかもしれないけど
14:09 Satellite: spreadのためのHardでしょ？
14:10 Satellite: Normalとのバランスも考えないと作った意味がなくなってしまう
14:10 Satellite: http://puu.sh/dBXqv/8e30645bb3.jpg
14:10 Satellite: 00:56:491 (3) - ここね
14:10 caren_sk: 了解です！
14:10 caren_sk: 00:56:341 (3) -
14:10 caren_sk: add cicle どうですか？
14:10 Satellite: 00:57:691 (1) - スライダーにあたってるから1griｄ下げて
14:10 Satellite: いらないねえ
14:11 caren_sk: ok-
14:11 Satellite: というかまず
14:11 caren_sk: 了解です！
14:11 Satellite: 00:55:891 (2) - ここが音にあってなかったｗ
14:11 Satellite: http://puu.sh/dBXvX/c19f52e798.jpg
14:11 Satellite: こんな感じで音拾ってみて
14:12 caren_sk: あー
14:12 caren_sk: たしかにそうだｗ
14:12 caren_sk: 配置とあわせて変更します
14:12 Satellite: 01:04:591 (4) - whistle抜け？
14:13 Satellite: 01:06:541 (4) - わかりづらいからds通り置くかremove
14:13 caren_sk: nuke
14:13 caren_sk: remove
14:13 Satellite: 01:09:091 (3) - ここも先ほどと同じように音取りが間違ってる
14:13 caren_sk: ok
14:13 Satellite: 01:10:891 (3) - 近いかも
14:13 Satellite: 0.8から2.3にds変動は凄いやりづらいかも
14:14 Satellite: 01:10:891 (3,4) - このあたり調整が必要
14:14 caren_sk: ok~!
14:14 Satellite: 01:16:291 (6,7) - これも凄いわかりづらいけど
14:14 Satellite: どうしてもおきたい場合はNcいれておくといいかも。できれば配置変えたほうが好ましいけど
14:15 Satellite: 01:20:491 (3) - これも近すぎてわかりづらいかも・・・
14:16 caren_sk: ok~!
14:16 caren_sk: hardって意識して作らないと難しいｗ
14:16 Satellite: 01:57:091 (5,6) - これも結構読みづらいからsliderに変更したほうがいいかもね・・・
14:17 Satellite: っていうかほぼDS一定でいいレベルがHardだよ！
14:17 Satellite: 02:01:141 (4) - overlapだから消すか違った配置考えたほうがいいかも
14:17 Satellite: 02:06:091 (1) - これは避けた方がいい
14:18 caren_sk: おｋ～！
14:19 Satellite: 02:50:041 (2) - これはremoveでいいとおもう
14:20 Satellite: 03:09:241 (5) - これも消そう
14:20 Satellite: 03:24:091 (1) - これだけ形違うけどいい？ｗ
14:20 Satellite: 03:25:891 (4) - これ反転させてもってこればいいと思う
14:21 caren_sk: うそんｗ
14:21 caren_sk: あｗ　はい！
14:21 Satellite: あと最後のサビはコピペで作ってあるから
14:21 Satellite: 同じように直しておいてね

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caren_sk

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caren_sk 2014-12-20T05:42:42+00:00

thx Satellite！！

Hyperspace

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Hyperspace 2014-12-20T06:44:53+00:00

Hi~ mod request from #modreqs (http://puu.sh/dC23q.jpg)

[KRN's Hard]

01:33:391 (2) - The absence of the best part of the music, the fast part, never ignore the fast part of the music because that make the beatmap a little bit boring (even in a Hard difficult) try to do something like this:

SPOILER

03:59:191 (6) - Change this slider, sounds very strange (suggestion: you can change this part for a star pattern!)

04:00:391 (2) - ^

04:10:891 (5) - You can change this part like this, its sound better imo, it's all up for you if you want to change it or not.

SPOILER

[Hard]

01:06:091 (3) - Try to do something like this, its sounds better

SPOILER

01:33:691 (1) - How i said in KRN's hard, never ignore the fast part of the music!! try to do something like this to do it a little bit more hard:

SPOILER

01:46:891 (3) - Try to change that boring slider for this:

SPOILER

03:04:291 (6) - Try to do this, sounds better

SPOILER

I guess that's all, nice beatmap caren_sk

Good luck with this and Star!

caren_sk

782 posts

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caren_sk 2014-12-20T07:53:02+00:00

thx modding!!

Hakard wrote:
Hi~ mod request from #modreqs (http://puu.sh/dC23q.jpg)

[KRN's Hard]

01:33:391 (2) - The absence of the best part of the music, the fast part, never ignore the fast part of the music because that make the beatmap a little bit boring (even in a Hard difficult) try to do something like this:
SPOILER
not change

03:59:191 (6) - Change this slider, sounds very strange (suggestion: you can change this part for a star pattern!)
not change

04:00:391 (2) - ^
not change

04:10:891 (5) - You can change this part like this, its sound better imo, it's all up for you if you want to change it or not.
SPOILER
not change

[Hard]

01:06:091 (3) - Try to do something like this, its sounds better
SPOILER
fixed

01:33:691 (1) - How i said in KRN's hard, never ignore the fast part of the music!! try to do something like this to do it a little bit more hard:
SPOILER
not change

01:46:891 (3) - Try to change that boring slider for this:
SPOILER
not change

03:04:291 (6) - Try to do this, sounds better
SPOILER
not change

I guess that's all, nice beatmap caren_sk
Good luck with this and Star!

thx modding !!
i think CRN'shard is more hard too
,but need low diff for ranked diff spread

Cherry Blossom

3,185 posts

Joined October 2011

Cherry Blossom 2014-12-20T10:27:21+00:00

Hard has an issue, spacing is inconsistent in some sections. There are antijumps or closer objects not intuitive to play, and that's really weird.

00:14:791 (4) - to make this pattern more readable, it should be better if you make a triangle like this
SPOILER
00:22:291 (3,4,5) - to make this pattern more readable, you should make these objects more distant from each other, because of the AR and the stacked objects.
00:25:291 (3) - here, spacing is inconsistent, you should make an equal distance between 00:25:291 (3,4) - and 00:24:991 (2,3) - (prev/next), and fix the symmetry after doing that.
00:30:091 (5) - fix the inconsistent spacing with 00:28:891 (1,2) - , you don't really have a reason to suddenly change spacing here, so make the spacing consistent. same as 00:29:491 (3,4) -
00:37:141 (4,1) - this is too close from the previous objects (the slider), Plus, the spacing is inconsistent here, and as i said above, that's really weird, so increase the distance between these objects to be consistent.
00:50:491 (1,2,3) - same as here, the spacing is inconsistent, you should make an equilateral triangle between these sliders with a consistent spacing.
00:55:891 (6,7) - this jump is not expected because of 00:52:891 (1,2,3,4,5) - which have a lower spacing, and this is really misleading, the AR can't really help to read so, it should be better if you increase the distance between 1/1s on this pattern to make the 1/2s more readable.
00:57:391 (9,1) - this antijump is weird to play, it should be more confortable to play if you increase the distance between these objects.
00:59:191 (2,3) - same as here, make an equal distance between these objects, just see
SPOILER
01:00:091 (1,2,3) - same scenario as ^, make something like ^. because it could be confusing with 1/2, Plus increase the distance between these objects
01:01:291 (3,4) - increase the distance between these objects, because it could be confusing with 1/2
01:07:291 (1,2,3) - same scenario concerning equal distance.
01:09:091 (3,4) - this jump is not easlly expected because of the 1/1s you used before, so i recommend to dicrease the distance between these objects.
01:12:691 (2) - same scenario concerning equal distance.
01:29:491 (2,3) - this antijump is really weird too, you follow the same sound and there is no reason to add an antijump here. so make the spacing consistent for this pattern.
01:31:291 (1,2,3) - same scenario concerning equal distance.
01:34:291 (3,4) - ^
01:39:691 (4,5) - this is misleading too, the player don't expect an antijump here, it should be better if there is more distance between these objects to make the 1/1 more readable.
01:43:891 (2,3) - same as ^
01:49:291 (3,4) - and here too ^
01:44:491 (3,4,1) - same scenario concerning equal distance.
01:54:691 (4,1) - ^
02:38:491 (1,2,3) - ^
02:40:291 (6,7,1) - ^
02:41:491 (2,3,4) - ^
03:02:491 (2,3) - again here, the 1/1 is not expectable here, so you should make these objects more distant from each other.
03:34:891 (4,5) - and here ^
03:44:491 (3,4) - ^
03:48:691 (2,3) - ^
03:49:891 (4,1) - ^
03:39:691 (3,4,1) - same scenario concerning equal distance.
03:41:491 (2,3) - ^
04:10:891 (2) - NC here to show spacing change.

This really needs more mods and improvement, spacing is wrong and that make this diff not intuitive, comfortable to play. Spacing must be mostly consistent. I know what Oracle feels...

Raiku

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Raiku 2014-12-20T11:28:56+00:00

im glad i waited, thanks cherry blossom, could i talk to you before i rank this?

caren_sk

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caren_sk 2014-12-20T13:14:44+00:00

THX MODDING AGAIN !!
sorry to trouble Cherry Blossom and Oracle.
i have never edit hard,,,

Cherry Blossom wrote:

Hard has an issue, spacing is inconsistent in some sections. There are antijumps or closer objects not intuitive to play, and that's really weird.
00:14:791 (4) - to make this pattern more readable, it should be better if you make a triangle like this
SPOILER
fixed
00:22:291 (3,4,5) - to make this pattern more readable, you should make these objects more distant from each other, because of the AR and the stacked objects.
fixed
00:25:291 (3) - here, spacing is inconsistent, you should make an equal distance between 00:25:291 (3,4) - and 00:24:991 (2,3) - (prev/next), and fix the symmetry after doing that.
fixed
00:30:091 (5) - fix the inconsistent spacing with 00:28:891 (1,2) - , you don't really have a reason to suddenly change spacing here, so make the spacing consistent. same as 00:29:491 (3,4) -
fixed　spacing 1.4
00:37:141 (4,1) - this is too close from the previous objects (the slider), Plus, the spacing is inconsistent here, and as i said above, that's really weird, so increase the distance between these objects to be consistent.
fixed
00:50:491 (1,2,3) - same as here, the spacing is inconsistent, you should make an equilateral triangle between these sliders with a consistent spacing.
fixed
00:55:891 (6,7) - this jump is not expected because of 00:52:891 (1,2,3,4,5) - which have a lower spacing, and this is really misleading, the AR can't really help to read so, it should be better if you increase the distance between 1/1s on this pattern to make the 1/2s more readable.
fixed, another Pattern
00:57:391 (9,1) - this antijump is weird to play, it should be more confortable to play if you increase the distance between these objects.
fixed, another Pattern
00:59:191 (2,3) - same as here, make an equal distance between these objects, just see
SPOILER
fixed
01:00:091 (1,2,3) - same scenario as ^, make something like ^. because it could be confusing with 1/2, Plus increase the distance between these objects
fixed
01:01:291 (3,4) - increase the distance between these objects, because it could be confusing with 1/2
fixed
01:07:291 (1,2,3) - same scenario concerning equal distance.
fixed
01:09:091 (3,4) - this jump is not easlly expected because of the 1/1s you used before, so i recommend to dicrease the distance between these objects.
fixed
01:12:691 (2) - same scenario concerning equal distance.
fixed
01:29:491 (2,3) - this antijump is really weird too, you follow the same sound and there is no reason to add an antijump here. so make the spacing consistent for this pattern.
change another Pattern
01:31:291 (1,2,3) - same scenario concerning equal distance.
change another Pattern
01:34:291 (3,4) - ^
change another Pattern
01:39:691 (4,5) - this is misleading too, the player don't expect an antijump here, it should be better if there is more distance between these objects to make the 1/1 more readable.
change another Pattern

01:43:891 (2,3) - same as ^
fixed
01:49:291 (3,4) - and here too ^
fixed
01:44:491 (3,4,1) - same scenario concerning equal distance.
fixed
01:54:691 (4,1) - ^
change another Pattern

02:38:491 (1,2,3) - ^
fixed
02:40:291 (6,7,1) - ^
fixed
02:41:491 (2,3,4) - ^
fixed
03:02:491 (2,3) - again here, the 1/1 is not expectable here, so you should make these objects more distant from each other.
fixed
03:34:891 (4,5) - and here ^
fixed
03:44:491 (3,4) - ^
fixed
03:48:691 (2,3) - ^
fixed
03:49:891 (4,1) - ^
fixed
03:39:691 (3,4,1) - same scenario concerning equal distance.
fixed
03:41:491 (2,3) - ^
fixed
04:10:891 (2) - NC here to show spacing change.
fixed
This really needs more mods and improvement, spacing is wrong and that make this diff not intuitive, comfortable to play. Spacing must be mostly consistent. I know what Oracle feels...

12Jan21

12Jan21 2014-12-21T18:13:39+00:00

Cool song and beatmap too.

Amidakuji

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Amidakuji 2014-12-21T22:02:28+00:00

what about ar 9.4 on RLC's extra?

xLolicore-

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xLolicore- 2014-12-22T16:51:29+00:00

I sense this is a Christmas gift to us o:

Enon

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Enon 2014-12-23T02:21:15+00:00

caren chan Kawai xP

Xilver15

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Xilver15 2014-12-25T01:10:38+00:00

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69653863

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69653863 2014-12-25T03:50:35+00:00

wlovesmack it hard

Rumia-

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Rumia- 2014-12-26T00:59:39+00:00

hype!! go caren !

caren_sk

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caren_sk 2014-12-26T05:53:12+00:00

everyone thx~

i cant edit hard diff, so need more mod and hook up every mapper/modder

Enon

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Enon 2014-12-26T06:20:44+00:00

:c:

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Aka 2014-12-26T06:47:28+00:00

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caren_sk

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caren_sk 2014-12-26T06:55:34+00:00

୧། ☉ ౪ ☉ །୨

ErunamoJAZZ

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ErunamoJAZZ 2014-12-26T15:29:39+00:00

caren_sk wrote:
everyone thx~

i cant edit hard diff, so need more mod and hook up every mapper/modder

haaaaai!! (soon)

Axarious

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Axarious 2014-12-26T18:33:54+00:00

General

*insertnamehere is listening to t+pazolite - breaking the lawreal

Hard

00:15:091 (5) - Maybe move to x:75 y:266 and 00:15:691 (1,4) - to x:145 y:142 for a equilateral triangle?
00:38:191 (4) - Link Maybe this for suspense/emphasis?
00:57:391 (9) - Move to y:218 for a nice blanket (will require moving (8) down) or move to y:214 to fix distance snap?
01:01:291 (3) - Maybe put a node in the center for variety?
01:06:691 (4) - The reverse should be on 01:06:841 - here instead, not the blue tick imo. Also gives more time to transfer into the slider speed below/be more aware of the appearing slider ticks.
01:15:391 (3) - Move to x:192 y:270? Probably fine with the change in the music.
Kiai time looks wonderful.
02:40:291 (6,7) - Two sliders here instead? Reflects 02:45:091 (7,8) - this sound too.
02:54:691 (8) - Link Maybe reverse slider on 02:54:541 - the red tick for a slight speed up into the next 1/2 continuous section?
03:12:091 (9) - Maybe NC for emphasis before the spinner and break?
04:11:191 (2,3,4) - Link Maybe a slider finish for the sounds on the red ticks?

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