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Amianki

Chamelo_Th wrote:

Hi

CalignoBot wrote:

I propose we all submit two names and the top two listed will be the shooter and shootee. We'll decide after the two are chosen.

Thoughts?
The point is scum can vote for the same town so there's a bigger chance for two town (or one) to be chosen. :roll:
The first pass is almost never going to turn out good for town, but it's more likely to work out than if we just TROLOLOL shoot because we could force the mafia self-vig to shoot.
Amianki
This plan inherently makes getting chosen a huge risk for the mafia, so they're going to want to edge out of it as best they can. It's better this way rather than choosing who's shooting who right away because the case where the mafia vig is asked to shoot someone results in absolutely no pressure (outside of shooting his partner, but eh).

I don't see how it's any different than how wagons work fundamentally.
Tanzklaue

Sakura wrote:

Tanzklaue wrote:

we vote on who we shoot in the official vote and vote foor the shootee in an official vote
I think you're half asleep when typing now.
sorry, being both tired and sick = nonsense writing.

the gist of the post is that we vote on a guy we shoot and the guy who will do the shooting. basically what CB said. it's the msot sensible way of doing things in this game.
Topic Starter
GuyInFreezer
Flip will include correct information.
Amianki
ok
Chamelo
So, what are we going to do now? :roll:
Gumica
Well, lurking like this is even worse than CB's plan, so I guess we should go with it then.
Tanzklaue
3 posts in since my post 27 hours ago.

almost 48 hours into the game and just half the players even bothered to show up and say hi.

yea i have better things to do than waiting for lurkers to never talk.

repalcing out.
Navizel
I guess we should go for CB's plans for the game to move forward. I don't really have any better ideas
Sakura
Currently not liking neither Tanz nor CBot tbh.
I've learned to be wary of people trying to control town like I did back in Madoka.

Also i did say i was going to be permanently V/LA u.u
Sakura
So i should probably spice this game up a bit
Nyquill
sakura I know what you're going to do don't do it
Amianki
Sakura if I was trying to control town, wouldn't I be trying to brute force it through instead of asking for discussion first?
Sakura
Too late
Zexion
The game is somewhat depressing.

How about YOLOShooting to create some fun? :')
Topic Starter
GuyInFreezer
CalignoBot, Town 1-shot Day Vigilante, was shot.

Grace period lasts until 24 hours from this post.
Nyquill
1/3 chance of being a self vig now

we need to force people to shoot. Making people voluntarily yoloshoot wont do us any good.
Nyquill
also fuck I feel like we need to kill sakura
Sakura
Well I already used my shot anyway so i'm like a VT now.
Tanzklaue
okay i actually meant that replacing out thingie but apparently nobody took it seriously so fuck it.

i don't know if scum sakura would be retarded enough to think this was a ood idea, but the thought of town sakura being this downright stupid makes me think that this is a very yolo scum play.

has anyone here any objections with me shooting sakura?

this also might be a bait from a self-dayvig scum sakura to kill her in order to protect her teammate, though that would be a disaster to happen. overall i'm just very confused because shooting cb like that (or anyone really) is so very sakura unlike and so very, very stupid.
Tanzklaue
we can't leave the lose end though. THIS IS WHY WE SHOULD HAVE VOTED ON SHOOTER AND SHOOTEE SO PEOPLE WE THINK ARE TOWNUSE THEIR SHOTS UP AND WE DON'T END UP JUST VIGGING THE GUY WHO SHOT LAST THE ENTIRE GAME UNTIL SCUM WINS.
Tanzklaue

Sakura wrote:

Well I already used my shot anyway so i'm like a VT now.
the point here is? that you want mercy?
Zexion
Sakura literally why. Your suspicion on CB was pretty much nothing... you didn't even let CB reply... (the Too Late! probably meant she already submited the shot)... also I hate stuff based on other games!

Well anyways I didn't expect YOLOShooting even if I said it. The fact she shot CB makes me think she just wanted to shut up a strong town player so yeah, sounds like scum.
Tanzklaue
the only things i can hold up as positive for sakura is that she admitted to the shot.

still, we can't possibly let her live, because what if she is scum bunking on a safe pass?

and then, in case that sakura isn't scum, we have to shoot the guy who shot sakura because fuck he might have abused that massive fuck up.

you initiated a spiral of doom for whatever side you're on sakura. you basically eliminated almsot any chance of this game being solved in a logical manner.
Tanzklaue
zexion sounding like scum to me. thoughts on that?

explanation for my suspicion is that he first cautiously says that we should yoloshoot, then condemns the yoloshooter for doing so. opportunism at its best.

Vote: Sakura

Vote: Tanzklaue

bold is for the person that gets shot, cursive for the person that shoots.
Zexion
But even if she was scum, she lost her shot so she isn't really much of a threat... unless of course, all our not self-shooters area dead and... yeah we could really fuck up. I still don't get Sakura's logic of shooting CB...

CB flipping normal vig is really bad. We could end up shooting ourselves the worst moment.
Tanzklaue

Zexion wrote:

But even if she was scum, she lost her shot so she isn't really much of a threat... unless of course, all our not self-shooters area dead and... yeah we could really fuck up. I still don't get Sakura's logic of shooting CB...

CB flipping normal vig is really bad. We could end up shooting ourselves the worst moment.
this post reeks.

whether or not she can still shoot is something not relevant to her alignment. we can't risk having scum live and manipulate town.
Zexion

Tanzklaue wrote:

Zexion wrote:

But even if she was scum, she lost her shot so she isn't really much of a threat... unless of course, all our not self-shooters area dead and... yeah we could really fuck up. I still don't get Sakura's logic of shooting CB...

CB flipping normal vig is really bad. We could end up shooting ourselves the worst moment.
this post reeks.

whether or not she can still shoot is something not relevant to her alignment. we can't risk having scum live and manipulate town.
"Hey guys! Don't kill my partner!"

You can't be serious. I obviously said that because in this game killing can literally backfire to you, in any normal game I would have pushed a lynch right away.
Sakura

Tanzklaue wrote:

Sakura wrote:

Well I already used my shot anyway so i'm like a VT now.
the point here is? that you want mercy?
No it means i was wrong, and so im pretty ok with dying.
Sakura
Since im quite useless now.
Sakura
I'm pretty fine with Tanz shooting me since i was wrong about CB guess im probably wrong about Tanz too
So i'm thinking that maybe Gumpyy or Zexion... who else was in this game?
Sakura
on that note Nyquill's probably town too.

Ah well those are my current reads

(Town > Scum) Tanz > Nyquill >>> people > Gumpyy > Zexion

Now that i got that out of the way, feel free to kill me whenever.
Sakura
Also for those wondering why i shot CB, it was a gut read, but no one was doing anything and it didn't seem like anyone wanted to do anything so at least you should be thanking me for bringing this town out of apathy.
Zexion
I am unable to thank such a rash decision, considering how little CB posted to make that assumption.

Besides, why I am scum again? Just by pointing out a possibility?
Sakura

Zexion wrote:

But even if she was scum, she lost her shot so she isn't really much of a threat... unless of course, all our not self-shooters area dead and... yeah we could really fuck up. I still don't get Sakura's logic of shooting CB...

CB flipping normal vig is really bad. We could end up shooting ourselves the worst moment.
Because this post sounds like you already know i'm town.
Gumica
No, I would suspect you to be town rather than a scum, simply because you'd have nothing to gain by shooting this early. If you really are scum and did this, then that was a retarded move altogether (because you'd be forced into random townshooting, hoping you wouldn't get shot). However, if you were playing your cards in a way to gain sympathy of players, like you're getting it from me right now, then it was a gamble. it works with me tho, ayy :D

So we're left of with (assuming Sakura's town) 3 townvigs?
Sakura
Are you srs? i do the most stupid thing i've done in mafia and people townread me for it?
Gumica
Is that so? If you're mafia... what did you gain by shooting CB then?
Gumica
I see nothing. Am I wrong?
Tanzklaue

Sakura wrote:

Are you srs? i do the most stupid thing i've done in mafia and people townread me for it?
it's osu mafia ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Tanzklaue
@Sakura: where does the gumpy read hail from? he hasn't said jack shit until now.
Tanzklaue

Gumica wrote:

Is that so? If you're mafia... what did you gain by shooting CB then?
She gains:

-A potential feepass ("Sakura can't possibly be this stupid!")
-A confused town
-The attention being completely drawn from the second scum
-Manipulation on further reads (everything she says now could be invalidated imediately if she flips scum and we had to rethink everything)

there are reasons for such behaviour. I do agree though that it is very Sakura-unlike to be quite this sloppy in execution and gameplan, since she likes perfect wins and there are a dozen more fun ways to fuck over town in this one that yoloshooting and admitting to it.
Tanzklaue
i also came to the conclusion that letting the most town-read person shoot sakura is quite silly.

so

Vote: Zexion

i feel like letting the most scummy palyer shoot makes way more sense, so the lose end isn't a guy that people actually think is town.

objections?
Tanzklaue
also

@mod: does maf know who the town selfshot vigs are?
Zexion

Sakura wrote:

Zexion wrote:

But even if she was scum, she lost her shot so she isn't really much of a threat... unless of course, all our not self-shooters area dead and... yeah we could really fuck up. I still don't get Sakura's logic of shooting CB...

CB flipping normal vig is really bad. We could end up shooting ourselves the worst moment.
Because this post sounds like you already know i'm town.
Lol, I already posted about how trying to kill someone can backfire, that's why we can't inmmediatly get rid of obvscums.

I have no problems with shooting Sakura if that's what you want, also I do not think Mafia knows who the self vigs are.
Navizel
Where is Gumpy anyway
Sakura

Tanzklaue wrote:

@Sakura: where does the gumpy read hail from? he hasn't said jack shit until now.
That's exactly why.
Tanzklaue
@mod: prod gumpy pls
Sakura
So you would've rather me have shooted without saying that I would shoot?
Sakura

Tanzklaue wrote:

@mod: prod gumpy pls
That might be an issue if people don't have this forum open permanently because... well

There seem to be some permission issues.
Topic Starter
GuyInFreezer

Tanzklaue wrote:

also

@mod: does maf know who the town selfshot vigs are?
No.

Tanzklaue wrote:

@mod: prod gumpy pls
Already have.
Sakura
And then people fall into inactivity again anyway :U
Tanzklaue

Sakura wrote:

So you would've rather me have shooted without saying that I would shoot?
i never said that, nor did anyone else. all i said is that it's the only redeeming factor for what you did.
Sakura
>The only

Well I got some reads from what I did, but if you're happy shooting me for killing CBot then i won't mind, even if it's scum shooting me since they know i'm town >.>

I was probably right that I shouldn't have joined this after all.
Chamelo
and people forgot me, again.
Well, I was going to say "How about we let Sakura alive?" but oh, the redirect.

I'd choose Navizel bc his post style or Zexion bc why did you convince Tanz to shoot Sakura when he was aiming at you?

Zexion wrote:

also I do not think Mafia knows who the self vigs are.

GuyInFreezer, in setup specific wrote:

* Mafia will know whether their shots will backfire or not, but town won't.
Chamelo
The reason I want to keep Sakura alive is that she is practically "useless" now. no offense, tho.
If all the shot happened and there's scum left we can lynch her later.
Sakura
But if i were scum it'd be the town's job to kill me regardless of me being useless or not, idc either way, seems like me not being able to focus on mafia has really cramped my style anyway, besides people not wanting to do anything i yolo shot to spice things up, and now people want me dead, and we'll end up with 2 dead towns.
Gumpy
ugh can't be bothred anymore sorry for the inconvenience
Gumica
Not everyone is inclined to shoot you. Like CTh said, you're useless now.
Tanzklaue
sakura is the only person we can shoot with still having hope of winning this.

sakura is useless, and that's the main reason that she is the one who should be shot, preferably by who you lot think is the most scummy player in the game currently. that way we either:

a) only kill one townie, then proceed to let the next highest scumread shoot the guy who shot sakura
b) kill a scum sakura, have a confirmed town in the gy who shot sakura, two vigs still up and running and can coordinate further in order to not let these two vigs shoot out the other.
c) scum panics and random shoots one of us, leaving sakura as conf town since she can neither be the shooting scum nor be the suicide scum

this way, we hold open all options. we can't risk losing 2 vigs again today; it would be synonymus with losing the game. that's why sakura is the prime target for the next shot, regardless of whether you believe her to be a dumb town or a dumb scum.
Tanzklaue
sadly we osu mafia typical have multiple lurkers (nyquill, gumpy) which we can barely read at all, and that will complicate stuff. especially considering that apparently gumpy replaces out.

if sakura flips scum, nyquill is a primesuspect though for the sheer fact that sakura gave him a townread just on basis of saying "oh no don't yoloshoot", then going back to lurking again, while scumreading gumpy for the same reason.
Nyquill
My contribution to the town usually comes in the form of mostly accurate reads :p

Also we need to kill Sakura because she knowingly created a source of wifom and we cant let her live for that.
Nyquill
If anything, I'm willing to shoot Sakura, as if she flips scum I'm cleared.
Zexion

Chamelo_Th wrote:

and people forgot me, again.
Well, I was going to say "How about we let Sakura alive?" but oh, the redirect.

I'd choose Navizel bc his post style or Zexion bc why did you convince Tanz to shoot Sakura when he was aiming at you?

Zexion wrote:

also I do not think Mafia knows who the self vigs are.

GuyInFreezer, in setup specific wrote:

* Mafia will know whether their shots will backfire or not, but town won't.
But that doesn't make sense. If the mafia self vig knows he is a self vig, then what's the point if having it?... Unless I'm missing something important?
Chamelo
I dunno, maybe that make self vig mafia doesn't want to shoot? So the one who avoid shooting his gun is self vig mafia?
Sakura

Chamelo_Th wrote:

I dunno, maybe that make self vig mafia doesn't want to shoot? So the one who avoid shooting his gun is self vig mafia?
This would make sense but...
You dont really know who shot despite they saying "i'll shoot" for all we know their partner could be the one shooting.
Tanzklaue
game dead as fuck?

game dead as fuck.

guys, get on voting, in a normal game you all would be scum now for not voting :P
Sakura
Here, let me help you get rid of me
Vote: Sakura
Vote: Zexion
Navizel
what does bold and italics mean in this game
Sakura
Oh wow, Navizel isn't even reading the game...
hmmm

Better idea
Vote: Navizel
Navizel
i am reading the game. I probably missed it
Navizel
I saw the post now.
Chamelo
If you guys demand that.

Vote: Sakura
Vote: Navizel
Topic Starter
GuyInFreezer
Sakura (3): Tanzklaue, Sakura, Chamelo_Th

Not Voting: Navizel, Gumica, Gumpyyy, Nyquill, Zexion

replacing Gumpyyy.
Sakura
Huh, i thought tanz voted me in this post: p/3535948
Gumica
Lol at that self vote. I didn't expect that from you.
Topic Starter
GuyInFreezer

Sakura wrote:

Huh, i thought tanz voted me in this post: p/3535948
And exactly why do I need to count his vote?

fixed :P
Sakura

Gumica wrote:

Lol at that self vote. I didn't expect that from you.
I don't care tbh, people want to kill me because of a mistake so let them kill me since i can't pay attention to this game atm.
Gumica
Such activity. Anyways, I still don't see any reason to vote you just yet. And that self-vote seems a bit forced imho.
I'm more vary of lurking people.
Tanzklaue
sakura has to be shot, no matter what. we can't let the loose end live and/or risk losing another 2 vigs in one shot (which would effectively equal a loss).

the important part is who should shoot sakura. it should be the person you think is scum.
Tanzklaue
i can't stress this enough: if this or the next shot isn't hitting scum we will lose outright.

so let's get on voting. if we can pressure a scum into having to shoot, we can get a kill on scum, and we can win the game.
Tanzklaue
though at the rate that gumpy's replacement search is going, i don't forsee this game continuing anyway, since a modkill on anything but a town self vig would screw the faction gumpy was on.

pro tip: don't sign up for a game you don't plan playing in!
Drezi
Hey guys, I applied as a replacement actually, no reply yet though.
Tanzklaue
yay we won't get modgamed \:D/
Sakura

Tanzklaue wrote:

sakura has to be shot, no matter what. we can't let the loose end live and/or risk losing another 2 vigs in one shot (which would effectively equal a loss).

the important part is who should shoot sakura. it should be the person you think is scum.
And then what, are you gonna shoot the person that shoots me? and the the person that shoots that one?
Tanzklaue

Sakura wrote:

Tanzklaue wrote:

sakura has to be shot, no matter what. we can't let the loose end live and/or risk losing another 2 vigs in one shot (which would effectively equal a loss).

the important part is who should shoot sakura. it should be the person you think is scum.
And then what, are you gonna shoot the person that shoots me? and the the person that shoots that one?
you got it!

which is why everyone should vote for who he thinks is the scummiest for the shootie. because then the shootie is like "what? me? shooting? but today is wednesday, i can't shoot someone on a wednesday, don't be riiculous" or smth like that.

it is the best bet we have after your colossal fuck up. i'm trying to make lemonade out of lemons.
Tanzklaue
unless you have a better plan that doesn't involve randomly shooting anyone and ties up the lsoe end that is you, then go on!

i also am tempted to just shoot anyone because this game bores me greatly and nobody seems to want to do jackshit. deadline for the target and killer is in 12 hours. after that the guy who leads killer (navizel currently) please go on and shoot the one leading in target (currently sakura).
Tanzklaue
fun thing is that i'm almsot 100% sure at this point that the only possible scumteams are gumpy/sakura and gumpy/nyquill,m because both nyquill and sakura are defeatist as fuck and gumpy declaring "lol not gonna play lol" right at the start would explain that pretty well.

Vote: nyquill
Tanzklaue
or nyquill rather is passive as fuck, which i don't like. same goes out to navizel.
Zexion
Vote: Sakura

Vote: Nyquill

I agree with nyquill shooting due to inactvity. I don't have much to add atm.

And tha game is about shooting randomly, come on, we don't have a lynch and our guns may explode so yeah.
Sakura

Tanzklaue wrote:

i also am tempted to just shoot anyone because this game bores me greatly and nobody seems to want to do jackshit.
Oh hey, sounds like exactly what i did, and why.
Chamelo
Currently I have 3 shooter in my mind

1. Drezi (replaced Gumpy)
- The reason is how Gumpy left made me wonder if he pissed off because he got "self dayvig" or because he's really busy.
I, too, would be a little pissed if I knew I was self dayvig. It make me feels useless.

2. Navizel
- His familiar lurking style.

3. Nyquill
- Lurk as fuck, yeah.

but keep this in mind:

Nyquill wrote:

If anything, I'm willing to shoot Sakura, as if she flips scum I'm cleared.
Chamelo
Since I'm kinda 70% sure that we'll end up kill one more town. So, we better choose scum as a shooter.
Navizel
Shooter Drezi/Gumpy

I don't want to deal with replacements anymore
Drezi
Alright, I recieved my role PM, so I suppose I'm officially in now.

First things first, if Sakura is in fact scum, then scum has no normal vigshots left, and they must plan on winning by looking very town and setting up townies to shoot/lynch each other, which looks like a weaker gameplan overall than being able to simply shoot someone in LyLo or waiting with their shot to save themselves, even if we consider that they could have gambled on the "scum Sakura wouldn't do this, must be town" effect.

Also there's something else that makes me think it's less likely that they're following this plan based on what's happened so far, but I'd rather not mention that yet, I'd be giving scum ideas.

What we should do instead, is what CBot suggested earlier, but hasn't gotten much attention.

CalignoBot wrote:

I propose we all submit two names and the top two listed will be the shooter and shootee. We'll decide after the two are chosen.
If we choose shooter and shootee beforehand, than scum will have no problem going along with them shooting town, but if we only choose two people at first, and they don't know yet if they'll have to shoot, or will be shot, than it'll get better reactions, while it shouldn't really have that much of an effect on town, since they could be shooting themselves for all they know, even if assigned as shooter.

I believe this approach will yield better information, we can go back to Sakura later, I don't see what's the rush there with her case, if she's scum they have no shots left for us, so we don't auto lose at LyLo.
Drezi
As for my reads:

Tanz is probably town, mostly because of the part where he had enough and asked for replacement, I don't think scum would get to that point of frustration over town incactivity, it could have been faked for this reason, but he had no way of knowing that it won't be taken seriously so.. yeah town for now.

Sakura is nullish, but I'm leaning towards town for reasons stated above.

Navi:

Gumica wrote:

Well, lurking like this is even worse than CB's plan, so I guess we should go with it then.

Navizel wrote:

I guess we should go for CB's plans for the game to move forward. I don't really have any better ideas
This looks like scum Navi to me... also

Navizel wrote:

I don't want to deal with replacements anymore
What the hell, Gumpy hasn't posted a single thing, I could have been the original player for all intents and purposes, who had been busy until now.

Zexion - I agree with most of your reads on him, not much to add.

CTh, Gumica, Nyquill, null

Vote: [Navi, Zexion]

And who shoots who would be decided after we settle on two names, the two you think are scummiest obviously.
Gumica
Honestly, any active lurker will do, as they don't really contribute town in any sort of way
Sakura
I still think those 2 are the scummiest yes, that's why i changed my vote towards Navizel earlier, but seems like people (mainly Tanz) don't want to move the game forward until i die because im useless and they dont want to risk losing useful people, despite them having a higher chance of being scum.

Wherever town win con of killing the scum instead of people that can't shoot went...
Drezi
much post

very activity

wow..
Tanzklaue
i shot sakura, because fuck this game, fuck everyone lurking, and fuck osu mafia. i deeply regret signing up for this.
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