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Gumica
wat
Nyquill
ROCK FALLS AND EVERYONE DIES

/in
beeboy123
/in

Plz no rocks falling on me
Navizel
/in

Where are the pre ins and my falling rocks?
Topic Starter
GuyInFreezer

Gumica wrote:

wat
my autocorrect likes you.
Sakura
/replace
If you need a last player and can't find any add me, but i'm in permanent V/LA.
Topic Starter
GuyInFreezer

Navizel wrote:

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Where are the pre ins and my falling rocks?
Thanks for reminding me of the pre-ins lol
Chamelo
/in

rock fall ftw
Navizel
cth nav scum team again wb
Chamelo
It's going to be fun if it happen again. lol
beeboy123
/out

I am gone this entire weekend so I can rejoin this sunday if needed
Topic Starter
GuyInFreezer
I'll pull if this doesn't fill in 2 days.
Chamelo
The mafia thread is quite empty lately.
I mean, I occasionally visit here and barely saw any games going on.
Amianki
/in
Sakura
/out replace
/in
Since you're having trouble filling this.
Sakura
I'm thinking you may need to readjust this for 7 players
Tanzklaue
/in

one more come on!
Gumpy
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I'm bored
Sakura
omg Tanz yes
Sakura
giffy pls
Topic Starter
GuyInFreezer
I was gonna get to this last night but stuff happened so
role PMs are going out. Confirm in thread.
Sakura
/confirm
Gumica
/conf
Tanzklaue
/conf
Gumpy
/confirm
Navizel
k den

conf
Amianki
/conf
Zexion
Confirm. Finals coming soon but I'll try to keep up in my free time.
Chamelo
/conf
Nyquill
confirm
Topic Starter
GuyInFreezer
So I see that everyone confirmed.
Let the game begin.
Gumica
Alright let's get this started.
pokes and votes CalignoBot
Amianki
I want to get this out there before shit happens, because I see this as a very real possibility:

YOLOshooting is awful. Don't ever ever do it.
Amianki
Now that that's over,

Vote: Tanzklaue
Sakura
Vote: Gumica
Because wai not.
Zexion
Hold on, we don't have a lynch right? Since its nightless and all the stuff...
Navizel
It's nightless but if you didn't sumbit any actions at night, it will count as no action huehuehuehue
Tanzklaue
we do have a lynch and votes in case that after all shots are fired people are still standing.

Vote: Sakura
Tanzklaue
i also think someone should shoot as soon as everyone has posted. else we will jsut sit here awkwardly without doing jackshit.
Tanzklaue
also before anyone shoots, self vigis should claim to reduce the targetpool.
Amianki

Tanzklaue wrote:

i also think someone should shoot as soon as everyone has posted. else we will jsut sit here awkwardly without doing jackshit.
This is YOLOshooting, and therefore bad.
Sakura

Tanzklaue wrote:

also before anyone shoots, self vigis should claim to reduce the targetpool.
Except... self-vigs dont know they are self-vigs
Tanzklaue

Sakura wrote:

Tanzklaue wrote:

also before anyone shoots, self vigis should claim to reduce the targetpool.
Except... self-vigs dont know they are self-vigs
so we have literally nothing to go by except trying to guess our way out?

well that seems like fun.
Tanzklaue
i still stand by my word though that the first shot should be fired rather sooner than later. else all we do is RVS-ing and then everyone will goof off until someone shoots.
Zexion
I suppose the game won't move until someone shoots. I am not suggesting YOLOshooting but... its kinda what will happen.

The game is funny, after all, even if we "catch" a very likely scum and someone has to shoot them, maybe the shooter would end up killing themselves.

Also why are you guys voting? I still don't get it, the lynch only happens if everyone uses up their shot and the game hasn't ended.
Topic Starter
GuyInFreezer
Because I feel like I need to clarify this:

Lynch mechanic is present but just without the deadline until the specific condition meets. Also, the votes reset upon successful shooting.
Tanzklaue
before i go to bed, i'll propose that we vote on who we shoot in the official vote and vote foor the shootee in an official vote, for the most efficient gain of information.
Sakura

Tanzklaue wrote:

we vote on who we shoot in the official vote and vote foor the shootee in an official vote
I think you're half asleep when typing now.
Amianki

Zexion wrote:

I suppose the game won't move until someone shoots. I am not suggesting YOLOshooting but... its kinda what will happen.
It is extremely bad just on the setup alone. Just planning shots is infinitely better in the long run, but even better than that is planning on who shoots who only after we decide on which two to put on the block.
Amianki
@Mod: Do people flip their correct role or will they always show up as Dayvigs?
Amianki
I propose we all submit two names and the top two listed will be the shooter and shootee. We'll decide after the two are chosen.

Thoughts?
Navizel
No strong reads atm.

67% chance of not getting a self vig shooter
78% chance of getting a town shooter
56% chance of getting a not self vig town shooter

56% is kinda ugh

Going to sleep now so percentages might not be accurate
Chamelo
Hi

CalignoBot wrote:

I propose we all submit two names and the top two listed will be the shooter and shootee. We'll decide after the two are chosen.

Thoughts?
The point is scum can vote for the same town so there's a bigger chance for two town (or one) to be chosen. :roll:
Gumica
Olanning the shots might give you some basic information on whos a daywig and who is a selfwig, butbthis plan can backfire badly if we pick the wrong players.
Amianki

Chamelo_Th wrote:

Hi

CalignoBot wrote:

I propose we all submit two names and the top two listed will be the shooter and shootee. We'll decide after the two are chosen.

Thoughts?
The point is scum can vote for the same town so there's a bigger chance for two town (or one) to be chosen. :roll:
The first pass is almost never going to turn out good for town, but it's more likely to work out than if we just TROLOLOL shoot because we could force the mafia self-vig to shoot.
Amianki
This plan inherently makes getting chosen a huge risk for the mafia, so they're going to want to edge out of it as best they can. It's better this way rather than choosing who's shooting who right away because the case where the mafia vig is asked to shoot someone results in absolutely no pressure (outside of shooting his partner, but eh).

I don't see how it's any different than how wagons work fundamentally.
Tanzklaue

Sakura wrote:

Tanzklaue wrote:

we vote on who we shoot in the official vote and vote foor the shootee in an official vote
I think you're half asleep when typing now.
sorry, being both tired and sick = nonsense writing.

the gist of the post is that we vote on a guy we shoot and the guy who will do the shooting. basically what CB said. it's the msot sensible way of doing things in this game.
Topic Starter
GuyInFreezer
Flip will include correct information.
Amianki
ok
Chamelo
So, what are we going to do now? :roll:
Gumica
Well, lurking like this is even worse than CB's plan, so I guess we should go with it then.
Tanzklaue
3 posts in since my post 27 hours ago.

almost 48 hours into the game and just half the players even bothered to show up and say hi.

yea i have better things to do than waiting for lurkers to never talk.

repalcing out.
Navizel
I guess we should go for CB's plans for the game to move forward. I don't really have any better ideas
Sakura
Currently not liking neither Tanz nor CBot tbh.
I've learned to be wary of people trying to control town like I did back in Madoka.

Also i did say i was going to be permanently V/LA u.u
Sakura
So i should probably spice this game up a bit
Nyquill
sakura I know what you're going to do don't do it
Amianki
Sakura if I was trying to control town, wouldn't I be trying to brute force it through instead of asking for discussion first?
Sakura
Too late
Zexion
The game is somewhat depressing.

How about YOLOShooting to create some fun? :')
Topic Starter
GuyInFreezer
CalignoBot, Town 1-shot Day Vigilante, was shot.

Grace period lasts until 24 hours from this post.
Nyquill
1/3 chance of being a self vig now

we need to force people to shoot. Making people voluntarily yoloshoot wont do us any good.
Nyquill
also fuck I feel like we need to kill sakura
Sakura
Well I already used my shot anyway so i'm like a VT now.
Tanzklaue
okay i actually meant that replacing out thingie but apparently nobody took it seriously so fuck it.

i don't know if scum sakura would be retarded enough to think this was a ood idea, but the thought of town sakura being this downright stupid makes me think that this is a very yolo scum play.

has anyone here any objections with me shooting sakura?

this also might be a bait from a self-dayvig scum sakura to kill her in order to protect her teammate, though that would be a disaster to happen. overall i'm just very confused because shooting cb like that (or anyone really) is so very sakura unlike and so very, very stupid.
Tanzklaue
we can't leave the lose end though. THIS IS WHY WE SHOULD HAVE VOTED ON SHOOTER AND SHOOTEE SO PEOPLE WE THINK ARE TOWNUSE THEIR SHOTS UP AND WE DON'T END UP JUST VIGGING THE GUY WHO SHOT LAST THE ENTIRE GAME UNTIL SCUM WINS.
Tanzklaue

Sakura wrote:

Well I already used my shot anyway so i'm like a VT now.
the point here is? that you want mercy?
Zexion
Sakura literally why. Your suspicion on CB was pretty much nothing... you didn't even let CB reply... (the Too Late! probably meant she already submited the shot)... also I hate stuff based on other games!

Well anyways I didn't expect YOLOShooting even if I said it. The fact she shot CB makes me think she just wanted to shut up a strong town player so yeah, sounds like scum.
Tanzklaue
the only things i can hold up as positive for sakura is that she admitted to the shot.

still, we can't possibly let her live, because what if she is scum bunking on a safe pass?

and then, in case that sakura isn't scum, we have to shoot the guy who shot sakura because fuck he might have abused that massive fuck up.

you initiated a spiral of doom for whatever side you're on sakura. you basically eliminated almsot any chance of this game being solved in a logical manner.
Tanzklaue
zexion sounding like scum to me. thoughts on that?

explanation for my suspicion is that he first cautiously says that we should yoloshoot, then condemns the yoloshooter for doing so. opportunism at its best.

Vote: Sakura

Vote: Tanzklaue

bold is for the person that gets shot, cursive for the person that shoots.
Zexion
But even if she was scum, she lost her shot so she isn't really much of a threat... unless of course, all our not self-shooters area dead and... yeah we could really fuck up. I still don't get Sakura's logic of shooting CB...

CB flipping normal vig is really bad. We could end up shooting ourselves the worst moment.
Tanzklaue

Zexion wrote:

But even if she was scum, she lost her shot so she isn't really much of a threat... unless of course, all our not self-shooters area dead and... yeah we could really fuck up. I still don't get Sakura's logic of shooting CB...

CB flipping normal vig is really bad. We could end up shooting ourselves the worst moment.
this post reeks.

whether or not she can still shoot is something not relevant to her alignment. we can't risk having scum live and manipulate town.
Zexion

Tanzklaue wrote:

Zexion wrote:

But even if she was scum, she lost her shot so she isn't really much of a threat... unless of course, all our not self-shooters area dead and... yeah we could really fuck up. I still don't get Sakura's logic of shooting CB...

CB flipping normal vig is really bad. We could end up shooting ourselves the worst moment.
this post reeks.

whether or not she can still shoot is something not relevant to her alignment. we can't risk having scum live and manipulate town.
"Hey guys! Don't kill my partner!"

You can't be serious. I obviously said that because in this game killing can literally backfire to you, in any normal game I would have pushed a lynch right away.
Sakura

Tanzklaue wrote:

Sakura wrote:

Well I already used my shot anyway so i'm like a VT now.
the point here is? that you want mercy?
No it means i was wrong, and so im pretty ok with dying.
Sakura
Since im quite useless now.
Sakura
I'm pretty fine with Tanz shooting me since i was wrong about CB guess im probably wrong about Tanz too
So i'm thinking that maybe Gumpyy or Zexion... who else was in this game?
Sakura
on that note Nyquill's probably town too.

Ah well those are my current reads

(Town > Scum) Tanz > Nyquill >>> people > Gumpyy > Zexion

Now that i got that out of the way, feel free to kill me whenever.
Sakura
Also for those wondering why i shot CB, it was a gut read, but no one was doing anything and it didn't seem like anyone wanted to do anything so at least you should be thanking me for bringing this town out of apathy.
Zexion
I am unable to thank such a rash decision, considering how little CB posted to make that assumption.

Besides, why I am scum again? Just by pointing out a possibility?
Sakura

Zexion wrote:

But even if she was scum, she lost her shot so she isn't really much of a threat... unless of course, all our not self-shooters area dead and... yeah we could really fuck up. I still don't get Sakura's logic of shooting CB...

CB flipping normal vig is really bad. We could end up shooting ourselves the worst moment.
Because this post sounds like you already know i'm town.
Gumica
No, I would suspect you to be town rather than a scum, simply because you'd have nothing to gain by shooting this early. If you really are scum and did this, then that was a retarded move altogether (because you'd be forced into random townshooting, hoping you wouldn't get shot). However, if you were playing your cards in a way to gain sympathy of players, like you're getting it from me right now, then it was a gamble. it works with me tho, ayy :D

So we're left of with (assuming Sakura's town) 3 townvigs?
Sakura
Are you srs? i do the most stupid thing i've done in mafia and people townread me for it?
Gumica
Is that so? If you're mafia... what did you gain by shooting CB then?
Gumica
I see nothing. Am I wrong?
Tanzklaue

Sakura wrote:

Are you srs? i do the most stupid thing i've done in mafia and people townread me for it?
it's osu mafia ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Tanzklaue
@Sakura: where does the gumpy read hail from? he hasn't said jack shit until now.
Tanzklaue

Gumica wrote:

Is that so? If you're mafia... what did you gain by shooting CB then?
She gains:

-A potential feepass ("Sakura can't possibly be this stupid!")
-A confused town
-The attention being completely drawn from the second scum
-Manipulation on further reads (everything she says now could be invalidated imediately if she flips scum and we had to rethink everything)

there are reasons for such behaviour. I do agree though that it is very Sakura-unlike to be quite this sloppy in execution and gameplan, since she likes perfect wins and there are a dozen more fun ways to fuck over town in this one that yoloshooting and admitting to it.
Tanzklaue
i also came to the conclusion that letting the most town-read person shoot sakura is quite silly.

so

Vote: Zexion

i feel like letting the most scummy palyer shoot makes way more sense, so the lose end isn't a guy that people actually think is town.

objections?
Tanzklaue
also

@mod: does maf know who the town selfshot vigs are?
Zexion

Sakura wrote:

Zexion wrote:

But even if she was scum, she lost her shot so she isn't really much of a threat... unless of course, all our not self-shooters area dead and... yeah we could really fuck up. I still don't get Sakura's logic of shooting CB...

CB flipping normal vig is really bad. We could end up shooting ourselves the worst moment.
Because this post sounds like you already know i'm town.
Lol, I already posted about how trying to kill someone can backfire, that's why we can't inmmediatly get rid of obvscums.

I have no problems with shooting Sakura if that's what you want, also I do not think Mafia knows who the self vigs are.
Navizel
Where is Gumpy anyway
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