CS and OD kill me a lot. I can play most of my top ranked NC maps at AR9+NC at a similar accuracy.B1rd wrote:
how can you claim to read AR10 when you don't even have any HR top ranks?
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Uhh aren't all of those in your top plays AR8 ...?Pengua wrote:
CS and OD kill me a lot. I can play most of my top ranked NC maps at AR9+NC at a similar accuracy.B1rd wrote:
how can you claim to read AR10 when you don't even have any HR top ranks?
CS and OD increase difficulty, but it's the HP that kills you. HP 9.8 sometimes means you're dead with anything lower than a 95% FC, depending how many sliders / combos / draining breaks there are.
Most of them are AR8, I edited to AR9 for practice.nooblet wrote:
Uhh aren't all of those in your top plays AR8 ...?
CS and OD increase difficulty, but it's the HP that kills you. HP 9.8 sometimes means you're dead with anything lower than a 95% FC, depending how many sliders / combos / draining breaks there are.
I wouldn't consider 150pp plays to be "reading ar10"
1.practice cs5 9.5ar + hr for hours
1.try airman, cs4 is as big as a fucking car, ar10 slow as a fucking snail turtle
1.proceed to hit every fucking note
1.try airman, cs4 is as big as a fucking car, ar10 slow as a fucking snail turtle
1.proceed to hit every fucking note
edit : drunk
(actually no, but seriously byfar, AR8+ HR = 10. AR9+HR = 10. AR9.6+HR = 10. AR10+HR=10. got the idea? orz)
(actually no, but seriously byfar, AR8+ HR = 10. AR9+HR = 10. AR9.6+HR = 10. AR10+HR=10. got the idea? orz)
ftfybuny wrote:
when you can read ar9
wow then i must be hallucinating then. I couldve sworn i couldnt read ar10+hrVaretyr wrote:
edit : drunk
(actually no, but seriously byfar, AR8+ HR = 10. AR9+HR = 10. AR9.6+HR = 10. AR10+HR=10. got the idea? orz)
Most native ar10 maps are unranked and ridiculously hard.
not entirely true on the latterNarrill wrote:
Most native ar10 maps are unranked and ridiculously hard.
Well, I'm sure they'd be hard for someone with 7k plays.
i think ar10 alone is hard at 7k plays though
hey i can edit 5 star maps and turn it into ar10 and say i can read it ez pzbuny wrote:
i think ar10 alone is hard at 7k plays though
but this https://osu.ppy.sh/s/99244 yeah uh no
I can say I'm better than cookiezi.byfar wrote:
hey i can edit 5 star maps and turn it into ar10 and say i can read it ez pzbuny wrote:
i think ar10 alone is hard at 7k plays though
but this https://osu.ppy.sh/s/99244 yeah uh no
Guess all those guys making thousands of 150pp SS's on [hard]'s at AR10, can't actually read AR10.buny wrote:
I wouldn't consider 150pp plays to be "reading ar10"
It's just approach rate, otherwise you should apply the same thing to AR7/8/9, and say people who are only making 150pp scores on those can't read those AR's either.
Or are you one of those elitists who believe anyone above 1k rank actually can't read anything at all?
And name me one ranked map, native AR10, which gives 150pp (not mapped in 2007 or 2008).
True story, the #1 player in my country used to be a [hard] farmer. After ppv2 came out, he rose to #1 in 2 months and in the next 5, got to 5.5k pp. Pretty sure he could read AR10, to do that so quickly.
No need to get defensive. The statement was simply directed towards the person I was quoting and in no way of generalising the whole population of those making 150pp plays.RaneFire wrote:
Guess all those guys making thousands of 150pp SS's on [hard]'s at AR10, can't actually read AR10.buny wrote:
I wouldn't consider 150pp plays to be "reading ar10"
It's just approach rate, otherwise you should apply the same thing to AR7/8/9, and say people who are only making 150pp scores on those can't read those AR's either.
Or are you one of those elitists who believe anyone above 1k rank actually can't read anything at all?
And name me one ranked map, native AR10, which gives 150pp (not mapped in 2007 or 2008).
True story, the #1 player in my country used to be a [hard] farmer. After ppv2 came out, he rose to #1 in 2 months and in the next 5, got to 5.5k pp. Pretty sure he could read AR10, to do that so quickly.
However, considering the note density of a [hard] +dt which very often tends to be AR9.8, and then considering the note density of a 200bpm insane +HR, would you still consider the AR to be equally readable?
Note density makes a huge difference in reading AR. Unless you're saying it doesn't matter in which I can read AR11 by your standards.
Why are you bringing up native AR? [hard]'s don't have a native AR of 10 so I see absolutely no point in this statement, especially when the REAL value of AR10 can be gained by HR, as well as simply just changing the AR in map editor.
Also, you're acting as if the #1 player in your country won't improve over time, or he was only skilled enough to farm pp. ShadowSoul was a [hard] farmer too, and then he showed everyone what he could do in ppv2.
What exactly does this have to do with anything I said? If you're making a play on an AR10 map that's giving you 150pp, you either can't read AR10 or can't keep up with the map.RaneFire wrote:
And name me one ranked map, native AR10, which gives 150pp (not mapped in 2007 or 2008).
Call me whatever you want; I hope you'd be more mature than to attack me personally rather than the point itself.
Sorry, I thought you were referring to me, since I only have a handful of AR10 scores, some of which are 150pp.
Note density is a huge factor, but this can make any AR more difficult to read, not just AR10.
The reason I mention native AR, is because the increase in OD and CS is the main problem for me with HR, on maps that I can already set good scores.
Note density is a huge factor, but this can make any AR more difficult to read, not just AR10.
The reason I mention native AR, is because the increase in OD and CS is the main problem for me with HR, on maps that I can already set good scores.
Guess it's partly my fault since I didn't actually quote the person that I was responding to, but it was the guy that posted above mine.RaneFire wrote:
Sorry, I thought you were referring to me, since I only have a handful of AR10 scores, some of which are 150pp.
Note density is a huge factor, but this can make any AR more difficult to read, not just AR10.
The reason I mention native AR, is because the increase in OD and CS is the main problem for me with HR, on maps that I can already set good scores.
Also when I meant 150pp scores, I referred to his 150pp dt scores. In no way am I including HR because I think the difficulty that it calculates for HR is crap
oho but when i say i mean i can do itchainpullz wrote:
I can say I'm better than cookiezi.byfar wrote:
hey i can edit 5 star maps and turn it into ar10 and say i can read it ez pz
but this https://osu.ppy.sh/s/99244 yeah uh no
heck, it's hard as fuck at 27k plays ;w;buny wrote:
i think ar10 alone is hard at 7k plays though
AR10 is not hard AR11 on the other hand is hard and AR0 is like like riding thru hell.nooblet wrote:
heck, it's hard as fuck at 27k plays ;w;
ride me and it'll be hard
no fat chicks tho
no fat chicks tho
I've been doing a few test because of all this talk about ar10, I was surprises to discover that with HDHR, a 99.24% score on this map (hard) was worth 2 more pp than a 96.57% score on this map (insane). The latter being .2 stars more difficult, OD10 vs OD8.4, slightly longer, and definitely more difficult to accomplish.
I don't follow this discussion, hards+DT is ar9 or 9.66 right? are these 150pp play w/ HR or DT?buny wrote:
However, considering the note density of a [hard] +dt which very often tends to be AR9.8, and then considering the note density of a 200bpm insane +HR, would you still consider the AR to be equally readable?
i see nothing odd hereB1rd wrote:
I've been doing a few test because of all this talk about ar10, I was surprises to discover that with HDHR, a 99.24% score on this map (hard) was worth 2 more pp than a 96.57% score on this map (insane). The latter being .2 stars more difficult, OD10 vs OD8.4, slightly longer, and definitely more difficult to accomplish.
idk, i'm confusing myself with the ar valuesB1rd wrote:
I've been doing a few test because of all this talk about ar10, I was surprises to discover that with HDHR, a 99.24% score on this map (hard) was worth 2 more pp than a 96.57% score on this map (insane). The latter being .2 stars more difficult, OD10 vs OD8.4, slightly longer, and definitely more difficult to accomplish.I don't follow this discussion, hards+DT is ar9 or 9.66 right? are these 150pp play w/ HR or DT?buny wrote:
However, considering the note density of a [hard] +dt which very often tends to be AR9.8, and then considering the note density of a 200bpm insane +HR, would you still consider the AR to be equally readable?
I would've thought that the OD alone would've made up for the acc difference. I guess higher OD actually does increase the difficulty more than I though, in that you still need to get 98%+ at any OD to get decent pp.
That's what I was saying. Glad you tested, because I didn't know that you didn't know that's how it worked... after all that... as I continued on about CS instead.B1rd wrote:
I would've thought that the OD alone would've made up for the acc difference. I guess higher OD actually does increase the difficulty more than I though, in that you still need to get 98%+ at any OD to get decent pp.
Yeah. Hards are almost always AR 7 or 8. This is either 9.8 or 10 with HR, or 9 or 9.66 with DT.B1rd wrote:
I don't follow this discussion, hards+DT is ar9 or 9.66 right? are these 150pp play w/ HR or DT?
That conversation was mostly a misunderstanding though. Prefer it if it ended there.
Like buny also said, HR difficulty calculations aren't very consistent, so a HR play can't be compared with a DT play of the same value in pp.