Beeboy

I'll reread posts again when I can use our computer.

Raging Bull wrote:

What's the current case on beeboy? Is it still because of the constant pushing lynch on Sakura or anyone else?

Though I still like Frosting to know why lynching tn (before sakura replaced in) would have revealed a load of information.

and to have Navizel and SNB to post their god damn scum reads.

p/3387479/ <- This was my initial case on him.

p/3390269 <- look at some of the things I comment on wrt beeboy's posts.

Static Noise Bird wrote:

Because I'm dumb as fuck idk.

Vote: beeboy

You know people usually declare intent to hammer before hammering.

Also i'm reading through that game now
@Anyone who also played in that game: Since first hand meta is better than second hand meta, do you guys see any differences/similarities in SNB's play from there to here?

Sakura wrote:

You know people usually declare intent to hammer before hammering.

Wait, what.

Static Noise Bird wrote:

CalignoBot - Aside from voting me for no reason on the very first post, no suspicions. Yet.
NoHitter - Haven't paid attention yet. Yet.
BRBP - Plays extreme-town, therefore might be anything.
Gumica - Nothing.
rEdo - Nothing here either.
fartownik - Suspicious claim (not referring to the mafia one btw) and a stupid damn question. Would suspect for both reasons.
DakeDekaane - Scumslipping for lols because nobody takes him seriously anyway. Would suspect.
Drezi - Hides in the shadows. Another "could be anything" case, at the moment.

Bold is mine from p/3152388
@Drezi: Look at these stances and see if they look similar to his stances on the post you linked.

-Continues Reading-

It's only L-1 isn't it?

I was in the town game with SNB, and he was very agressively pushing his suspicions there, instead of just dropping by to place a vote. Same thing in Medical mafia when he was town.

Drezi wrote:

It's only L-1 isn't it?

I was in the town game with SNB, and he was very agressively pushing his suspicions there, instead of just dropping by to place a vote. Same thing in Medical mafia when he was town.

Hmm ok.

And yeah it's only L-1, I was hoping to get some reactions from people that weren't paying attention and probably beeboy himself

Damn usually I don't ruin such ploys when I notice them, didn't realize it here -_-

Anyway yeah, I thought SNB was pretty new so I was giving him a pass, but in that game he's contributing and making substance posts.

Unvote
let me read over everything

I'm going to go ahead and say it, I still think beeboy lynch is kinda bad. He still pings me as an unconfident town rather than any form of scum

Setsuen wrote:

I am tot scum with Sakura and it's town fault for not lynching tn5421 b4 Sakura replaced in. Oh noes i just outed it.

I knew it



Also I still don't like Sakura's approach to this game. Saying you're starting from the beginning of the game and commenting on (and even voting people on) what was relevant 4-5 days ago doesn't help us.

To me, it seems more of a ploy to vote someone, observe town reactions, and quickly unvote them using "Oh I read further into the game now" as an excuse.

For example you "scumread" me and Drezi who was attacking tn with your first post, to observe how the towns of both wagons would react. Once Drezi and beeboy became suspicious, you "kept reading" and started focusing your attention to other people to make yourself look less suspicious

Although I admit your most recent posts look really town, that's probably what it takes to get out of the image tn made for himself

@Sakura: what's your take on Sonatora?

On phone not ipad so my post quality will suck.

And setsuen i think i am posting informational content even if none of you agree with it. Also a lot people in this game literaly not posting content, not lurking. (maybe snb is) this post took a while to make so content will be slow

Frostings wrote:

@Sakura: what's your take on Sonatora?

Null-Scum, would lynch.

Sakura wrote:

One example of you strawmanning me, is when you took the part about "Reading the vote count" and decided to blow it out of proportions to nullify everything else.

Red junk!!!!!
Red junk!!!!!
D

Your claim revolved around only readibg the D for drezi which is impossible. Now my understanding is you looked at the vote count and due to the convo with drezi it is not that drezi's vote stood out it is that it is what you remembered.

Considering that the voters on me were in red text it's really easy to block out the red color and focus on the rest, either way that argument's old.
In either case, your argument on it seemed like you wanted to strawman me.

Btw I wanna hear from Sona, his last post was more than 2 days ago.

Ya now i am suspicous again you shoulsnt have been expecting the red or be looking at the vote count. Sure you would expect a vote on you but the rest doesnt add up. Until this nakes sense this arguement is not old

Drezi wrote:

Btw I wanna hear from Sona, his last post was more than 2 days ago.

Well over 1 day someone should get cbot

Drezi wrote:

Btw I wanna hear from Sona, his last post was more than 2 days ago.

Me too.

beeboy123 wrote:

Ya now i am suspicous again you shoulsnt have been expecting the red or be looking at the vote count. Sure you would expect a vote on you but the rest doesnt add up. Until this nakes sense this arguement is not old

What doesnt add up? I did say back then that I expected Drezi to be voting me, he explained that he was still spiritually voting me, and when i read over the thread it made sense to me.
And the argument is old because regardless of whether what you say about me reading the vote count is true, or false, it's just your paranoia about coincidential scumreads. Also for your argument to be correct it needs to assume that.
1) The people pushing me would've had done something scummy for me to push them in a believable way.
2) If 1 is true, then why is it out of the question that I would also have gotten a scumread on them?
3) That I was checking the vote count to see who to scumread during my readthrough.

Now, also you need to question:
1) If i were scum, why would I even bother making all those posts I made instead of just lazying it out until my inevitable demise that tn left the slot in.
2) Now assume I'm town and see if it makes more or less sense.
3) If i were scum, why would I even bother making a point about not reading the people voting me and continue to argue it when, I could just simply try to argue that I do know who was voting me but it was entirely coincidential.
4) Now assume I'm town and see if it makes more or less sense.

This is why you look for motivation behind what's happening, and look at it from both PoVs to try to understand if it's alignment indicative or a playstyle thing, a.k.a if it makes sense for me to do it as scum or town or i'm just doing because i'm Sakura and is not alignment indicative.

Now look at it at how i saw it from my perspective, Assume I'm town, and look at your argument about "Making up the fact that I was catching up" and look at my Catch-22 counter, as in:
1) If I say im reading through i'm lying about it.
2) if I say im not reading through that's not a pro-town action.
From my PoV it looks like an obvious way to set it up so you can scumread me no matter which way I answer, which is why it's called Catch-22 and it's scummy in nature.

Who do think should be lynched today instead of you, other than Sakura, cause it's pretty evident that it's not an option as things stand right now..

inb4 beeboy starts going "Modkill Sona plz" or something

Sakura wrote:

Navizel wrote:

basically I'm thinking of Sonatora + beeboy scumteam. I'm fine with PL Sonatora but I'm better with lynching a conf-scum.

So you're saying beeboy's conf scum? If so where's your vote?

iirc, most of the votes that time are on Frostings/tn5421 and tn5421 and tn was in my scumread so I thought it's better to lynch the one with more votes than the one with zero. Now that some voted beeboy and my read on your slot became town, I switched my vote on my original scumread.

beeboy123 wrote:

Honestly a lot of people aren't posting which isn't fun, town is probably going to continue to sheep Sakura for the rest of the game and me flipping town probably won't change anything. But if I can't make a post today can you wait for me to make a post before sealing my fate by putting me at L-1 or L-2? I will be at my grandparents tomorrow so I can probably be active on mobile but I can't quote things so beware of unreadable posts

beeboy123 wrote:

Can you explain? I can't see both you and Frostling being scum or both being town so I would be fine with a frostling lynch. (Inb4 I am scum cause I want to lynch everyone) Honestly I don't think you care about my opinion about you but I'd rather you explain.

am I the only one who is bothered by these. trying too hard to look town to others even though the second one is sarcastic

beeboy123 wrote:

Ya now i am suspicous again you shoulsnt have been expecting the red or be looking at the vote count. Sure you would expect a vote on you but the rest doesnt add up. Until this nakes sense this arguement is not old

another one

wrt to your beeboy's points.
1) The first underline, i've been enphasizing me getting a town role PM too, why is beeboy more suspicious for it than me?
2) The 2nd underline, It's bothered me too.
3) Not sure what to think of the 3rd underline

Sakura wrote:

1) If i were scum, why would I even bother making all those posts I made instead of just lazying it out until my inevitable demise that tn left the slot in.
2) Now assume I'm town and see if it makes more or less sense.
3) If i were scum, why would I even bother making a point about not reading the people voting me and continue to argue it when, I could just simply try to argue that I do know who was voting me but it was entirely coincidential.
4) Now assume I'm town and see if it makes more or less sense.

You want to survive as both scum and town, so both cases are equially likely coming from scum or town.

The moment you say "why would I do this as scum" it becomes apparent that you're aware of the matter yourself, and would have played with that in mind as scum, so it becomes a null tell.

Why do you reply to my questions to beeboy before beeboy does

Like srsly first i make a gambit to test beeboy's reactions and you screwed it up, and now i ask him some questions to see if he's thinking like town or scum and you answered them before he had a chance to make some alignment indicative replies >.<

Vote Count 1.14

[6] beeboy123 -- Setsuen, Navizel, Sakura, DakeDekaane, NoHitter, Static Noise Bird (L-1)
[2] Frostings -- Raging Bull, Sonatora
[2] Sakura -- beeboy123, Drezi
[0] DakeDekaane --
[0] Drezi --
[0] Gumica --
[0] Navizel --
[0] NoHitter --
[0] Raging Bull --
[0] Setsuen --
[0] Sonatora --
[0] Static Noise Bird --


[0] No Lynch --
Not Voting -- Frostings, Gumica, Static Noise Bird
With 12 alive, it's 7 to lynch.

Deadline is Monday, September 22nd at 6:00 AM CST (GMT-6). This is slightly less than 17 hours from now.

Sonatora has been prodded.

Sakura wrote:

wrt to your beeboy's points.
1) The first underline, i've been enphasizing me getting a town role PM too, why is beeboy more suspicious for it than me?
2) The 2nd underline, It's bothered me too.
3) Not sure what to think of the 3rd underline

I guess it's because you only said that once..or no? i can't remember. Also, more info in your posts than him.

That's not what I meant, but i have been doing so as well and if you're townreading me then it should be either a towny or at worst a null kind of statement for you.

Stop right there, it was not even a question, but an explanation post, and you seem to forget that you're not a conftown leading an investigation but a suspect yourself, so I'll adress your questionable points.... beeboy can still react to your post, but I have a hard time believing that you seriously expected him to make an analysis of those points.....

Yeah I corrected you with the vote count, tough luck but someone was bound to say it, that's the point that your real intents are not obvious..

I actually was asking him to assume im town and said if it makes more or less sense, among others. Not a blank statement. And no one is conf-town, but at least you could've waited for him to reply before you started ginving him hints on how to reply to it.

Also that kind of attitude is going to make it pretty hard for anyone to scumhunt without you getting in the way... sigh.

giving him hints, really? if anything I denied him the chance to give the good answer on his own, and now will just look like parroting if he tries to make the same point.

Drezi wrote:

giving him hints, really? if anything I denied him the chance to give the good answer on his own, and now will just look like parroting if he tries to make the same point.

Well i guess you're right on that, but why didn't you let him give the right answer on his own? Considering you're scumreading him too you'd also be interested in him making statements that give you a better understanding of his alignment.

Hi
My controversial reads

TOWN
Drezi
Dake
NH
beeboy
Navizel
SNB

NULL
Setsuen
RB
Gumica

NULL-SCUM
Sakura

SCUM
Sonatora

His posts don't give me a better understanding of his alignment cause he does stupid/scummy stuff as town all the time, I stopped scumreading him and accepted that he's like that, big fucking null.

Drezi wrote:

Who do think should be lynched today instead of you, other than Sakura, cause it's pretty evident that it's not an option as things stand right now..

Frostling as it gives me an idea of what Sakura is or someone who is inactive to scare people into being active tomorrow

Sakura wrote:

Also that kind of attitude is going to make it pretty hard for anyone to scumhunt without you getting in the way... sigh.

Yeah, better lynch me I'm so getting in the way of poor innocent towns trying to scumhunt.

Vote: Drezi

PL please.

beeboy123 wrote:

Drezi wrote:

Who do think should be lynched today instead of you, other than Sakura, cause it's pretty evident that it's not an option as things stand right now..

Frostling as it gives me an idea of what Sakura is or someone who is inactive to scare people into being active tomorrow

What the hell LOL
Why not lynch Sakura so you KNOW what Sakura is?

Sakura I have a question are you asking questions so I have a chance to stay alive or because you want more info if I flip town. Because I am pretty tired of playing and making posts that will mean nothing and won't help me

oh shit I didn't read the first part of Drezi's question

The question was other than Sakura the lynch order is

Sakura > Inactive person so this game is fun tomorrow > You

beeboy123 wrote:

Sakura I have a question are you asking questions so I have a chance to stay alive or because you want more info if I flip town. Because I am pretty tired of playing and making posts that will mean nothing and won't help me

Pretty much this

Sakura is claiming to be scumhunting by asking questions that can't really be answered.
Any reply from beeboy is subject to interpretation, and Sakura will just scumread beeboy, regardless of whatever he replies

Don't lynch beeboy I don't even think he could be scum anymore.

@Sakura: beeboy is at L-1, why do you feel the need to pressure him further with questions? To me it looks like you're baiting him into posting a weak response, and using that as an excuse to get him hammered.

beeboy123 wrote:

Sakura I have a question are you asking questions so I have a chance to stay alive or because you want more info if I flip town. Because I am pretty tired of playing and making posts that will mean nothing and won't help me

I was thinking of shifting the lynch to Sona if I had a town feeling from your posts, the information also is good because if you flip town then we know all your statements have come from Town PoV and if you flip scum then I can start scrutinizing your posts and making associative tells, either way is win/win for town unless you avoid replying.
Also as I said before, why Lynching frostings to give you an idea of me instead of just plain reading me?

p/3391866

1st One is me getting mad

2nd One is a joke because Sakura said I want to lynch everyone when I only showed signs of wanting to lynch her

3rd One is me being suspicious of Sakura again after she did a good job of looking like town, you just misunderstood the meaning of the comment.

At L-1 you have to be desperate or if you are scum self-lynch to cut off info if it is completely hopeless

If I get lynched we lose a PR so not really win/win

Frostings wrote:

@Sakura: beeboy is at L-1, why do you feel the need to pressure him further with questions? To me it looks like you're baiting him into posting a weak response, and using that as an excuse to get him hammered.

He's at L-2 too now, i've been getting the feeling that he could've been derp town for a while, otherwise i wouldn't be questioning him, don't like how he's gone back to lining up lynches and I don't want to lynch you because of your breadcrumb.

beeboy123 wrote:

If I get lynched we lose a PR so not really win/win

Unvote
Vote: Sona

I swear to god either this is role madness or there's been 3 PRs outed already...

Vote: Sonatora
i'm down

@beeboy: i'd like to know at least your flavor, since you already claimed PR at least.

Can someone summarize to me why you're all going after Sonatora again?

Could I say character name or is that too much info?

beeboy123 wrote:

Could I say character name or is that too much info?

All im asking is for character name actually, not role.

No, beeboy, please say your role; I'm curious

Gumica wrote:

Can someone summarize to me why you're all going after Sonatora again?

He's scum.

Gumica wrote:

No, beeboy, please say your role; I'm curious

What.

I'm ready to unvote before going to sleep, so be quick.
I'm not ready to read 2+ new pages of text, though.

Static Noise Bird wrote:

I'm ready to unvote before going to sleep, so be quick.
I'm not ready to read 2+ new pages of text, though.

Just vote Sona so we dont get stuck with no lynch due to deadline. He's been away from the thread for a while.

oh no sample magic girl is given

Every night I can meet a white hampster who gives me a tool I can use to mess with scum. After 2 nights I become a noob reg town and lose my 1 million shot ability unless I am a special person and keep it for the lulz.

I am scared to be nk'd so this is my paraphrasing XD

o no nevermind beeboy,

I was just trying to test you. I've read rule 5.3, and I didn't see rule 5.2 lol. my bad

not given* so giving a name is more scum than this paraphrasing

crap rules.....

Ummm should I say character name?

beeboy, Sakura asked for your character name, not the role, anyway.

I think I can be voting Sona too, but I'm not sure because the inactivity and stuff.

I feel I'm going to regret this but
Unvote

beeboy123 wrote:

oh no sample magic girl is given

Every night I can meet a white hampster who gives me a tool I can use to mess with scum. After 2 nights I become a noob reg town and lose my 1 million shot ability unless I am a special person and keep it for the lulz.

I am scared to be nk'd so this is my paraphrasing XD

This checks out actually.

4.5) All story flavor is completely game-irrelevant.

Well, assuming this, the roles and flavors are random

If not only for... you know, the fact that magical girls mechanics is explained in the rules at the bottom.

beeboy I hope you're worth this.

Unvote
Vote: Sona

Sakura wrote:

If not only for... you know, the fact that magical girls mechanics is explained in the rules at the bottom.

darn you CBot

So sonatora is just being PL'd again?

Sakura, why does it checks out?

Gumica wrote:

So sonatora is just being PL'd again?

I do have an scumread on him, dunno if anyone's jumping for the PL, and Drezi seems to want to PL himself.
We're not lynching a claimed PR (beeboy) so Sona's my other choice for scum.
I want beeboy to claim character name because it's too easy for scum to say "I'm PR".

Guys I know we are moving off me but shouldn't you give your own reasoning before unvoting and sheeping sona?

Momoe Nagisa the character who no one knows

beeboy, just say your char name

i do, kyaaa >///< dem cute lolis :>

Oh, ninja'd

no that was the flavor that went with the name

Well, technically Nagisa was a witch, not a magical girl, since she was that witch who killed Mami in the original series. :^)

But then again, she was also Mami's pet in the third movie :^)

cheeeeeseeeee

I have my reasons to unvote you, it could be weak, but I don't think lynching you would be a nice idea after you claimed, tomorrow we'll see what happens.

omg someone flavor claim mami plz ;-;

DakeDekaane wrote:

I have my reasons to unvote you, it could be weak, but I don't think lynching you would be a nice idea after you claimed, tomorrow we'll see what happens.

How about using your vote in a way that ensures we get a lynch on D1 then?

Gumica wrote:

i do, kyaaa >///< dem cute lolis :>

Ah what the fuck now.

beeboy123 wrote:

Guys I know we are moving off me but shouldn't you give your own reasoning before unvoting and sheeping sona?

I did null-scum read him and then it just slid to WTF-read and now he's just not doing anything, like you see. Better Sona lynch than no lynch at all, it's D1 after all.

Looking that no one would lynch Frostings soon, I should go with my other non town reads.
Vote: Sonatora

Also Frostings, what made you change me from scum to town?

Also Drezi, stop being derp, unvote yourself and help us lynch Sona. Your interference can be fixed by stopping to interfere instead of lynching yourself.

SNB, pls google who Momoe Nagisa is...

Well, I'm still not quite following what your reason for voting Sonatora is?

Gumica wrote:

Well, I'm still not quite following what your reason for voting Sonatora is?

Is this direct to me or SNB.

Also
@Mod: Requesting Vote Count.

Vote Count 1.15

[4] Sonatora -- Sakura, Frostings, Static Noise Bird, DakeDekaane (L-3)
[3] beeboy123 -- Setsuen, Navizel, NoHitter
[2] Frostings -- Raging Bull, Sonatora
[1] Drezi -- Drezi
[1] Sakura -- beeboy123
[0] DakeDekaane --
[0] Gumica --
[0] Navizel --
[0] NoHitter --
[0] Raging Bull --
[0] Setsuen --
[0] Static Noise Bird --


[0] No Lynch --
Not Voting -- Gumica
With 12 alive, it's 7 to lynch.

Deadline is Monday, September 22nd at 6:00 AM CST (GMT-6). This is slightly more than 15 hours from now.

Sonatora has not yet picked up his prod.

beeboy, Drezi, Gumica, RB, Sona (Specially Drezi and Gumica)
Your votes are being useless and you should put them in a place where it has a chance of ending in a lynch, preferably before deadline, unless you have a strong townread on Sonatora, then explain said Townread.

@beeboy: at least help compromise, we need a lynch on D1.

Well, originally this was between tn and Frostings. When you replaced TN, you made some very strong arguments for yourself and for beeboy. However, I don't see it this way with Sonatora. Frostings voted Sonatora before for PL. Are you doing the same, I wonder?

Gumica wrote:

Well, originally this was between tn and Frostings. When you replaced TN, you made some very strong arguments for yourself and for beeboy. However, I don't see it this way with Sonatora. Frostings voted Sonatora before for PL. Are you doing the same, I wonder?

1) I've had a null-scum read on Sona since i finished my catch up.
2) Sonatora hasn't posted anything since then ergo it hasn't changed if anything it's more scummy now (It feels as if he left satisfied that the lynch would likely end in a town lynch)
3) Compromise (Seems the only viable lynch where most ppl can agree upon)