that's true, but it is still an opinion so it wont mean anything when it comes to wanting to buy your own
I just want to see what peoples favourite switches for osu aresilmarilen wrote:
that's true, but it is still an opinion so it wont mean anything when it comes to wanting to buy your own
This is the best post I never made, hot damn I'm so glad I didn't bother typing a paragraph. GJ buddy.FlyingKebab wrote:
I'll be getting a mech keyboard soon. I have decided to go with the CM Storm Quickfire TK with MX Blues. I am going with blues since I have to type a lot for school work and I have read a heap of reviews and opinions about MX Blues. Most people that tried using MX Blues for gaming say they do the job nicely. In reality reds are only better for gaming if we are talking about light speed double taps.
On Topic: If you haven't already checked the trillions of threads concerning the best switch dilemma: Most players say that MX Reds are better for osu since they require the least force to actuate and therefore will allow you to tap/stream faster as a result. Some people like Jesus1412 argue that blacks are faster since they have a bigger force pushing upwards hence the 60g actuation compared to the 45g of the reds however, even though they are harder to press Jesus argues that the 15g is negligible and the faster reset allows for faster taping/streaming. Browns are mentioned more than blacks since their actuation force is the same 45g as reds and they have a slight bump so you feel when you press them.
Ultimately it's your choice on what you buy. In reality a red a black a brown or a blue doesn't make a player cookiezi, it's all about how you manage with the switch type and how much work you put into getting good in general. /thread.
EDIT: Ninja'd by the guy I was talking about GG WP Jesus
It can't be negligible on the way down and meaningful on the way up, that isn't how logic works. In such a symmetrical system the benefits are always counteracted by equivalent detriments.FlyingKebab wrote:
Jesus argues that the 15g is negligible and the faster reset allows for faster taping/streaming
lolRedPanda wrote:
here we go again
your fingers are designed to go down, not come back up, for obvious practical purposes. So the 15g would be negligible for your stronger downward finger action but helpful to help bring it back up.Narrill wrote:
It can't be negligible on the way down and meaningful on the way up, that isn't how logic works. In such a symmetrical system the benefits are always counteracted by equivalent detriments.FlyingKebab wrote:
Jesus argues that the 15g is negligible and the faster reset allows for faster taping/streaming
A person has control over how hard and fast he presses a key, yet he has absolutely no control on how fast the switch itself resets. A person can train himself to press the key faster and the limiting factor will always be the switch reset time. Although no one streams fast enough to worry about switch reset times.Narrill wrote:
That's nonsensical. Cite a source or try again.
More stamina is required for streaming the same speeds(which is obvious since the switch is harder). Jesus only says it's not a very noticable change, and these are subjective terms anyway.Narrill wrote:
It can't be negligible on the way down and meaningful on the way up, that isn't how logic works. In such a symmetrical system the benefits are always counteracted by equivalent detriments.FlyingKebab wrote:
Jesus argues that the 15g is negligible and the faster reset allows for faster taping/streaming
You're not wrong, but this is irrelevant for reasons that both you and I have already stated. B1rd is arguing that our fingers are simply better at pressing than retracting, which is a nonsensical claim that needs to be supported by some form of evidence.FlyingKebab wrote:
A person has control over how hard and fast he presses a key, yet he has absolutely no control on how fast the switch itself resets. A person can train himself to press the key faster and the limiting factor will always be the switch reset time. Although no one streams fast enough to worry about switch reset times.
I'm not willing to spend $35 buying studies off of google scholar that are about finger extension to show such an obvious point. If you want to test it yourself while making the conditions as relevant to osu! as possible then curve one of your clicking fingers and push it as close to your palm as possible. Attempt to pull that finger up with your other hand and then compare it to when you hold the same finger up and try to pull it down. It's not hard to see which motion exerts more force. Asking for studies on this is just being awkward because there aren't many of finger extension but plenty on finger contraction.Narrill wrote:
You're not wrong, but this is irrelevant for reasons that both you and I have already stated. B1rd is arguing that our fingers are simply better at pressing than retracting, which is a nonsensical claim that needs to be supported by some form of evidence.FlyingKebab wrote:
A person has control over how hard and fast he presses a key, yet he has absolutely no control on how fast the switch itself resets. A person can train himself to press the key faster and the limiting factor will always be the switch reset time. Although no one streams fast enough to worry about switch reset times.
What's obvious is the bias in the test you've described. And even if we assume fingers are naturally better at contraction (which we should not just assume), claiming that more force is better is still an oversimplification of the question.jesus1412 wrote:
I'm not willing to spend $35 buying studies off of google scholar that are about finger extension to show such an obvious point. If you want to test it yourself while making the conditions as relevant to osu! as possible then curve one of your clicking fingers and push it as close to your palm as possible. Attempt to pull that finger up with your other hand and then compare it to when you hold the same finger up and try to pull it down. It's not hard to see which motion exerts more force. Asking for studies on this is just being awkward because there aren't many of finger extension but plenty on finger contraction.
Except it isn't a simple question. We're talking about a specific set of movements within a specific range of motion in a complex mechanical system with a very specific and time-sensitive goal. The question isn't as simple as "are fingers better at contracting or flexing?"Dexus wrote:
A simple answer to a simple question
I think it's pretty obvious. Primate hands are naturally made to contract the fingers, so we can grip stuff. If you wanna prove it otherwise, then you are the one who has to come up with studies, not us.Narrill wrote:
What's obvious is the bias in the test you've described. And even if we assume fingers are naturally better at contraction (which we should not just assume), claiming that more force is better is still an oversimplification of the question.
Actually, argument from ignorance works both ways. You're going to throw out any claims or methods of measuring the physical properties of finger extension/contraction as "biased" or lacking of evidence and then when I give you ways to test it for yourself and collect evidence you decline the methods for your own interpretation of bias.Narrill wrote:
I don't have to prove anything because I'm not making a positive claim.
unless you tap with your fingers bent backwards and hand upside down, it doesn't really matter because of course the ranges of motion are different that's how fingers work.Narrill wrote:
But that tests two totally different ranges of motion.