Gumica wrote:

@beeboy; so why are you having a vote on Navizel still, and why did you vote him in the firstplace?
@RB; Reads?

still waiting...

I agree that all the long time lurkers are quite problematic for providing no information whatsoever, but i clearly don't see that as a scum aligned tactic as of yet. Such people should be prodded, replaced and/or modkilled. I'd greatly appreciate it if anyone (and by that i mean the the most special player here) could tell me why someone who hasn't posted yet would be considered pro-scum?

Navizel wrote:

I was FoS-ing SNB but we really need something from tn.

I would ask for an explanation, but if it's only referring to my past inactivity, then I understand. If not, then yeah, go ahead.

Gumica wrote:

I agree that all the long time lurkers are quite problematic for providing no information whatsoever, but i clearly don't see that as a scum aligned tactic as of yet. Such people should be prodded, replaced and/or modkilled. I'd greatly appreciate it if anyone (and by that i mean the the most special player here) could tell me why someone who hasn't posted yet would be considered pro-scum?

lol. You do realise I lurked like heck in the UPick and people callled me out as scum for not posting as much as I usually do right? tn5421 is doing the same. He's not posting as much as he did in other games. So it CAN be a scum alignned tactic. In fact ANY good town woudln't even lurk z.z

There I posted the reasons why lurkers are scum. and the reason isn't bc I did it. The reason is bc NO GOOD TOWN WOULD DO IT.

Not all lurkers are scum, neither all scum are lurkers, not defending tn as he has barely contributed here, just making emphasis on that.

But just coming here and "hi guise imma here" is just no. I'm down for a tn lynch.

In other news, Sephi has moved from null to null-town for me.

Static Noise Bird wrote:

Navizel wrote:

I was FoS-ing SNB but we really need something from tn.

I would ask for an explanation, but if it's only referring to my past inactivity, then I understand. If not, then yeah, go ahead.

Yup. Past inactivity.

I was actually refering to the old debate about Sephi, rather than Tn. Speaking about tn...

@TN; Why exactly did you vote Setsuen? Your reason is kind of a joke, just like Setsuen itself

Somehow I completely missed three pages

Hi Sephibro~
and ... bye tn?

Unvote
Vote: Sonatora

FoS still on SNB obviously

Any reason besides him being mean to you?

Navizel wrote:

Any reason besides him being mean to you?

He was already in my second-to-lynch (next to SNB, obviously)

also this post:

Sonatora wrote:

Setsuen wrote:

No you aren't. Get mod killed already.

shockingtruth.jpg

Vote: Setsuen

I dont need your toxicity in this game.

I don't know why he really voted for Setsuen to be honest, Setsuen is townread by most people here
His vote is nearly meaningless

Also the 1v1 between him and Setsuen, most of Sona's defense...kinda sucks

Still FoS on SNB obviously

Vote Count 1.04



[3] Sonatora -- Raging Bull, Setsuen, Frostings (L-4)
[2] tn5421 -- Static Noise Bird, Navizel
[1] Navizel -- beeboy123
[1] Setsuen -- tn5421
[0] beeboy123 --
[0] DakeDekaane --
[0] Frostings --
[0] Gumica --
[0] NoHitter --
[0] Raging Bull --
[0] Sephibro --
[0] Static Noise Bird --


[0] No Lynch -
Not Voting -- DakeDenaane, Gumica, NoHitter, Sephibro, Sonatora
With 12 alive, it's 7 to lynch.

Deadline is Friday, September 19th at 6:00 PM CST (GMT-6).

Frostings wrote:

Still FoS on SNB obviously

Do you really feel the need to remind us about you FOS-ing SNB lol

Gumica wrote:

Gumica wrote:

@beeboy; so why are you having a vote on Navizel still, and why did you vote him in the firstplace?
@RB; Reads?

still waiting...

I agree that all the long time lurkers are quite problematic for providing no information whatsoever, but i clearly don't see that as a scum aligned tactic as of yet. Such people should be prodded, replaced and/or modkilled. I'd greatly appreciate it if anyone (and by that i mean the the most special player here) could tell me why someone who hasn't posted yet would be considered pro-scum?

Really? I'm sure I posted my reads after you asked me.

Town:
NH
Dake
Setsuen

Null:
Nav
SNB
Gumica
Sephi (could possibly be null town)
Tn

Scum:
Frosting
Sonatora (I feel as if both are scum partners.)


@Sonatora, who are your scum reads?

Static Noise Bird wrote:

beeboy123 wrote:

IMO we gain more if we kill ten because he isn't even playing.

Suck dick beeboy. After experiencing solely bad "inactive player lynch lols" and only a single successful one, I can say that's completely useless. Then again, why would the mafiosos NOT be fat lurksacks because that's apparently way safer for them since no reads can be made? We could just wait for modkill.

It should be better if he was killed/lynched. If he was modkilled, it wouldn't result in much information since there won't be a reason for death or lynch wagon to look at.


@Frosting, Why is Sonatora your second to lynch? All you keep saying was that he is mean. And tbh setsuen's 1v1 wasn't all that great either, so why did you only mention sonatora?

Raging Bull wrote:

@Frosting, Why is Sonatora your second to lynch? All you keep saying was that he is mean. And tbh setsuen's 1v1 wasn't all that great either, so why did you only mention sonatora?

Sona was initially second to lynch because:

Frostings wrote:

I sort of agreed to Sona lynch mentioned by Setsuen because I've seen Sona play, and sometimes his town-play ends up hurting town a few days in if he's kept alive + Sona is mean

Also Setsuen was being his usual self, there was really nothing worth mentioning there

Oh yeah and FoS on SNB

RB plz. if tn5421 is scum ANYONE here can make a pretty good guess at who's scum based on HOW desperate they were in attempting to divert attention back to me when I was telling town to freaking get the lurkers.

Who cares? We're both voting the same person and have different idea who second scum is.

Gumica wrote:

still waiting...

I said already mods are scum.

unvote

Lynch is lynch. I'm fine with it

Oh well, I guess that bids goodbye to me

Vote: Sonatora

are you serious

Yes


I realized that I might harm town with my style of play. It feels like there's no way to compensate this so lynching me off would be better for everyone

Unvote yourself. And post your scumread.

You play to win. By lynching yourself, it will just make your faction lose. Please refrain from doing that unless you are a Jester.

I'm not too sure about meta arguments re tn, but Dake just made me remember something important. The difference of lurking and flaking.

DakeDekaane wrote:

Not all lurkers are scum, neither all scum are lurkers, not defending tn as he has barely contributed here, just making emphasis on that.

But just coming here and "hi guise imma here" is just no. I'm down for a tn lynch.

Flaking is what Dake just described and IS a scumtell.
(Well, I can think of another reason why you would flake but if that is it, then you're doing it wrong)
I'm ok for lynching him as well.

... Ok I'm not too sure about Sona given the past posts either, but I really have this town gut read on him.
Please don't give up too easily.

Vote: tn

On a sidenote, I feel sad I that I just went down to pieguy level gut reads.

Idk why, but even though Sephi's post makes sense, when I read Sona's posts, nothing pings me.

My intial gut read:
Town-Sonatora,tn5421,Frosting,Gumica

Null-town-StaticNoiseBird,Navizel,beeboy123

Null-Scum-DakeDekaane

Scum-Sephibro,RagingBull,NoHitter

Why is this relevant? I'm just going to say that I WON'T be surprised if the game ends and the set-up is revealed to be almost similar to this.
Is there a secret meaning? Maybe.

NoHitter wrote:

On a sidenote, I feel sad I that I just went down to pieguy level gut reads.

Idk why, but even though Sephi's post makes sense, when I read Sona's posts, nothing pings me.

Did you read how I accused him of being scummy THEN his reply lol?...............and I don't see how Sephi can be made null-tell with just 1-2post. Especially since he EASILY tricked the town in Perpeual MyLo and claimed 3rd party and had town NOT lynch him off before LyLo after CB said to lynch Sephi off early z.z

also all he stated was some post directed at me and one scum read:Sonatora which could have been "made up" because I was fighting with Sona at that time and it looks like an easy way for Sephi to get attention off himself by making town focus on........ Sonatora. This is why I say Sona & Sephi are most likely diff alignment BEFORE Sephi even posted anything.

Raging Bull wrote:

Who cares? We're both voting the same person and have different idea who second scum is.

My intial gut reads STAYS. and tbh it's REALLY WEIRD how everyone is avoiding contact and only focusing on particular people which is NOT town's usual playstyle.(That's my playstyle you're ripping off here)

So setsuen votes a town read okay.

No one is ripping off yourplaystyle. Ive been playing like this before.

^that LOL

Also, looks like scumreading people who are against him

Sonatora wrote:

Lynch is lynch. I'm fine with it

Oh well, I guess that bids goodbye to me

Vote: Sonatora

I realized that I might harm town with my style of play. It feels like there's no way to compensate this so lynching me off would be better for everyone

This is the behavior I was talking about.

You made cases against your initial gut townreads but say your initial gut reads stay put? *falls on the ground*

Setsuen wrote:

and I don't see how Sephi can be made null-tell with just 1-2post. Especially since he EASILY tricked the town in Perpeual MyLo and claimed 3rd party and had town NOT lynch him off before LyLo after CB said to lynch Sephi off early z.z

also all he stated was some post directed at me and one scum read:Sonatora which could have been "made up" because I was fighting with Sona at that time and it looks like an easy way for Sephi to get attention off himself by making town focus on........ Sonatora. This is why I say Sona & Sephi are most likely diff alignment BEFORE Sephi even posted anything.

It's the opposite. How can you form reads on a person who has had just a few posts? You trust that gut of yours too much, while we usually rely on what people do in thread.

Don't mind me just beetlejuicing.

When I saw Setsuen [wallposting], I knew it was time to [WIFOM].

Setsuen wrote:

tn5421 wrote:

Hello friends I am here.

No you aren't. Get mod killed already.

wow rude

Navizel wrote:

Why hello there. Please do something.

wow rude

Setsuen wrote:

Sonatora wrote:

shockingtruth.jpg

Vote: Setsuen

I dont need your toxicity in this game.

We don't need useless VTs that does nothing except comment on whatever I do

Also lol @toxicity. I CAN and WILL be mean to LURKERS because OVER HALF the time they FLIP SCUM. (Nyquil in chaos, Nav in newbie blah blah blah) If Lurkers are scum, there's NOTHING WRONG with toxicity and if they aren't they DESERVE it for NOT posting so others can get a read on them. They're literally helping scum by LURKING if they are town.


Vote:Sonatora

Why is town not lynching this guy already.He is 1.Quoting others to somehow relate them to me which is dumb 2.Only concentrating on me when I'm practically self-clear town 3.Not scum hunting 4.Wants a mislynch on me. He's either obv scum or a stupid VT because seriously a SANE town PR would avoid arguing with me.

You're still fucking going on about being self-clear?

Vote: Setsuen

Sonatora wrote:

Also, scum will ALWAYS suppress information by 1v1'ing everyone hotheadedly. And who man might that be?

If that was true the meta would shift toward lynching everyone that participates in 1v1s.

Static Noise Bird wrote:

Fuck, alright.

Vote: tn5421

Talk.

What up, I got a big flock.

Navizel wrote:

Sephibro, despite posting late, provided more info than Sonatora. Townreading him.

tn voted Setsuen and disappeared. Reappeared and disappeared again.

Vote: tn5421

I was FoS-ing SNB but we really need something from tn.

How long are we going to WIFOM about setsuen being negative utility to town activity?
I for one can barely stand to read his short posts (2-3 paragraphs), much less anything longer than that.

Gumica wrote:

I was actually refering to the old debate about Sephi, rather than Tn. Speaking about tn...

@TN; Why exactly did you vote Setsuen? Your reason is kind of a joke, just like Setsuen itself

I voted him because he always goes for scum goals as town: I.E. making town apathetic toward continuing to play.

Raging Bull wrote:

So setsuen votes a town read okay.

......is he seriously?

DakeDekaane wrote:

Vote: tn5421

Gonna talk about reasoning here or are you in the habit of throwing naked votes with no explanation?

K tn here. Vote sonatora now.

@sonatora unvote yourself and give scumread. Or at least town read.

Raging Bull wrote:

K tn here. Vote sonatora now.

@sonatora unvote yourself and give scumread. Or at least town read.

Give me a good reason to other than being frustrated with Setsuen and self-voting (both of which can be from any alignment)

I stated my reasoning being my vote, go read again

behind*

fff phone

Essentially what you're saying is that you picked a lurker and ran with it for no particular reason.

Which TOTALLY explains why you aren't unvoting now that I'm back, FOR ONE.

Less rants more content pls

Because I suspect possible distancing with Frosting. Frosting has been really wanting to lynch Sonatora but seems to be hiding behind SNB. Sonatora doesnt seem to push for why hes being on Frosting scumread despite constant posts from Frosting that he would like Sonatora lynched.

PS my vote was on him before setsuen argument

DakeDekaane wrote:

Less rants more content pls

Because you don't actually have a reason to be voting me anymore, but want to leave your vote on and hope it gets forgotten.

Why, I don't know. But it's strange that you would say it's explicitly a lurker vote and then not remove it when your target isn't lurking anymore.

Just lynch me. Or better yet replace me


I'm not needed here

If you want to help town then seriously unvote your selfand post your read.

Not necessary

My reads are not necessary. It's obvious already that I'm useless. No way to compensate and it only means one thing


Do it

Wow i pretty much laid it out how you can help town but okay then.

People have been telling that to me the whole time


I'll just accept them and end my game. I bid farewell

Not lynching me would only bring two results

1. All towns being killed because of me (Simple Bastard by GIF and the game is currently running)

2.Wrong vote at LyLo phase and I will be endgamed (Osu Medical Mafia by Zexion. First mafia game I've ever joined)


TL;DR-

It's either that I'm a useless town, endgame hammer bitch or stupid VT. Besides, I dont have the will to fight anymore.

what the hell

Sona, you're useless for town because you yourself think you're useless

Sona is pretty much confirmed VT at this point, but he clearly doesn't want to be reasonable or play the game so I guess we PL...

There's still so much time left though..

Sona

stfu

If you're seriously serious with it, just PM CB, don't keep spamming shit on the thread.

Oh also since my vote is not needed anymore,
Unvote

My read, for now

TOWN-
Gumica

NULLTOWN-
Setsuen
NoHitter
SNB
Frostings

NULL-
Navizel and everyone else

NULLSCUM-
nonbiyori

SCUM-
kyubey lynch pls

Unvote so i can fix this clusterfuck.

RB not removing his vote on me will still be a mystery

tn5421 wrote:

Essentially what you're saying is that you picked a lurker and ran with it for no particular reason.

I'm lolling at this. first he votes me and then he's saying why are u voting me for lurking??!

tn5421 wrote:

DakeDekaane wrote:

Less rants more content pls

Because you don't actually have a reason to be voting me anymore, but want to leave your vote on and hope it gets forgotten.

Why, I don't know. But it's strange that you would say it's explicitly a lurker vote and then not remove it when your target isn't lurking anymore.

That's like saying that town had no reason to try and lynch me anymore D1 AFTER I claimed in the UPick. The only way I survived that lynch was bc I roleclaimed and DL arrived lol. The fact that you WERE lurking still gives us a reason to vote you and the fact that you're voting on a major town read is even more suspicious.(In fact I did the SAME THING IN THE UPick)

and unfortunately for you, my AGGRESSIVE method do out scum. Too bad for scum I'm not one of those peaceful townie that makes SMALL TINY accusation that they can just push off easily. I am an AGRESSIVE townie who makes huge walls to kill those scums and for your info, only a few town activity are affected by my wall.

Navizel wrote:

Also, looks like scumreading people who are against him

If you think this is new, you need to reread Lupus and ever single mafia game I been in. Also going to FOS ANYONE who's trying to act "dumb" when they jollywell know my playstyle in mafia.


@NoHitter:Reading intention behind a post/using guesses behind why a particular argument was made is easier than looking at:Oh this person posted 3X times more than me he/she must be town. z.z bc seriously any scum can fake activity but they do not have the intention to help town progress at all. Which is also why they're DRAGGING out arguments with me. This is also why while I do FOS Sona & tn5421 they were in my intial town read bc they didn't have any HIDDEN intention in their post(though you can probably spot some/a lot if you look carefullyl at some of RB's post if you were paranoid enough)

Sonatora wrote:

2.Wrong vote at LyLo phase and I will be endgamed (Osu Medical Mafia by Zexion. First mafia game I've ever joined)

and this is why I will always remain to be the easiest town read ever because I'm the only one who managed to survive getting lynched D1 by getting ANOTHER scum lynched even though I had a BW on me and was self-voting. That and scum will never let me survive past D3 anymore bc apparently they need to eliminate the biggest town read ever. STILL LF DOC

which is why I don't take you and your votes seriously

are you not going to explain your vote on your townread smh

Me?

My eyes hurt. It's 2:00 in the mornin here and I can't sleep

Oh and btw those reads we're serious

Navizel get the fuck of yourself. Remember Day 4 of Medical Mafia. I wont afford to make the same mistake again

Navizel wrote:

which is why I don't take you and your votes seriously

are you not going to explain your vote on your townread smh

Do you not get that he WAS my intial town-read or are you acting dumb liek what most scum are trying to do these days?

Setsuen wrote:

Navizel wrote:

which is why I don't take you and your votes seriously

are you not going to explain your vote on your townread smh

Do you not get that he WAS my intial town-read or are you acting dumb liek what most scum are trying to do these days?

I giggled

lol you guys are funny

Navizel wrote:

lol you guys are funny

D1 Lynch will be between Navizel and RagingBull. Town take your pick. One of them is scum the other PR. if we lynch right the other dies tonight bc they are PR.

Now you're bullshitting.

Navizel wrote:

Now you're bullshitting.

No. I am right about this. RB/Nav one is PR one is scum. You might not be able to guess someone role, but I have PROVED a lot of times that I CAN.

And I'm guessing this is based on your gut reading?

Fuck off setsuen. Your read on sonatora is town but you vote him wtf. And you claim sephi, NH, and I are scum and you add navizel into this now. Make up your mind. Learn to be humble. No one listens to you.

Sonatora wrote:

Unvote so i can fix this clusterfuck.

RB not removing his vote on me will still be a mystery

I dont understand why i need to unvote at that point.
unvote.

Hey gumica, you asked me for my reads. What do you intend to do with them?

vote Frosting

Still think they may be scum buddies, but Frosting more than Sonatora now.

Raging Bull wrote:

Fuck off setsuen. Your read on sonatora is town but you vote him wtf. And you claim sephi, NH, and I are scum and you add navizel into this now. Make up your mind. Learn to be humble. No one listens to you.

Sonatora wrote:

Unvote so i can fix this clusterfuck.

RB not removing his vote on me will still be a mystery

I dont understand why i need to unvote at that point.
unvote.

And this is how you're still in my scum read. I have stated that my reads CAN change and you're completely ignoring that and of course directing attention away from SOME people here.

Vote:RagingBull

and no I won't trust NH reads on RB seeing how he messed it up in that Newbie mafia and allowed scum nav to live to D3.

Gumica wrote:

And I'm guessing this is based on your gut reading?

The intention of RB/Nav post is to discredit my suspicions a lot AND to direct attention away from some people. I have reasons to believe that RB is directing attention AWAY from some people to me and Sonatora so that when town ML, they CAN direct it back to them and make town ML AGAIN.

Plz try to see the intention behind their post. They're going to deny that their post have hidden meanings but it's there.

Im not even going to try to make you town read me. You are worse than pieguy.

Requesting prods

You voted me once and I flipped town so fuck off, Setsuen.

Raging Bull wrote:

Hey gumica, you asked me for my reads. What do you intend to do with them?

vote Frosting

Still think they may be scum buddies, but Frosting more than Sonatora now.

Why do you think Sona and I are a scumteam lol

Navizel wrote:

You voted me once and I flipped town so fuck off, Setsuen.

that was because your defense were horrible that game. Also right now all you're doing is "ättacking" me which is pretty darn suspiciosu because you aren't even scum hunting.

Who are we lynching again

also any thoughts Gumica
callin ye out

@mod requesting a fucking votecount

Sonatora wrote:

Who are we lynching again

we're... lynching you lol

or SNB obviously

Setsuen wrote:

Navizel wrote:

You voted me once and I flipped town so fuck off, Setsuen.

that was because your defense were horrible that game. Also right now all you're doing is "ättacking" me which is pretty darn suspiciosu because you aren't even scum hunting.

you voted still.

that's why I asked for prods lol

Frostings wrote:

Sonatora wrote:

Who are we lynching again

we're... lynching you lol

or SNB obviously

You're trolling, are you?

If yes, then stop it

Sonatora wrote:

You're trolling, are you?

If yes, then stop it

You voted for yourself for no reason and say that I'M the one that's trolling?

I'm not trolling there.

I really wanted to get lynched off but I have to fix this clusterfuck first

Sonatora wrote:

I'm not trolling there.

I really wanted to get lynched off but I have to fix this clusterfuck first

what clusterfuck exactly

and why do you want to get lynched? Being useless for town is not a reason

You're not getting lynched because you're useless, you're useless because you're wanting to get lynched

Vote Count 1.05

[3] tn5421 -- Navizel, NoHitter, DakeDekaane (L-4)
[1] Frostings -- Raging Bull
[1] Raging Bull -- Setsuen
[1] Setsuen -- tn5421
[1] Sonatora -- Frostings
[0] beeboy123 --
[0] DakeDekaane --
[0] Gumica --
[0] Navizel --
[0] NoHitter --
[0] Sephibro --
[0] Static Noise Bird --


[0] No Lynch -
Not Voting -- beeboy123, Gumica, Sephibro, Sonatora, Static Noise Bird
With 12 alive, it's 7 to lynch.

Deadline is Friday, September 19th at 6:00 PM CST (GMT-6).

beeboy123 and Sephibro have been prodded.

oh gawd sorry I will read the parts I missed soon.

Nobody on my wagon has really posted any questions to me at all. Are you really going to sit here and derplynch people at random for no reason?

Even bloody SETSUEN has more reason to be voting me than some of you guys are.

tn5421 wrote:

Nobody on my wagon has really posted any questions to me at all. Are you really going to sit here and derplynch people at random for no reason?

Your vote on me is already a legitimate reason for them to vote you for your info. They don't even need to ask any questions if even if they're scum. No joke.
that + the fact that yet again you're still NOT scum hunting and asking why am I being lynched instead~ which btw in EpicMafia... why me = fry me.

Either the scums are way too easy to spot this game, or this is a perpetual mylo rerun and RB,Sephi and NH are all scums who are going to win bc I got the worst town ever this game.

tn5421 wrote:

Even bloody SETSUEN has more reason to be voting me than some of you guys are.

if you're really town plz FOS Sephi for NOT posting yet again and anyone who actually null-town read Sephi with just 1-2post. You can suspect someone in just ONE post but town reading someone on his first/second post is incredible impossible and is 1.Either stupid or 2.Scummy as *Insert F word here*

I can do you one better than that, setsuen.

Vote: SephiBRO

Post and I'll consider removing this.

Of the three people voting me, only DakeDekaane has given me a response of any kind. Looking at the other two as possible scum.

I replaced in in mylo anyways.

Vote: Sephibro

Lemme help ya there tn-senpai

Sonatora what are you even doing?

Man vote frosting. He hates you.

Nah, I'm fine with him

Anyways, get your ass here sephi

Unvote
Reevaluating my reads.

Hey Setsuen can you post your exact current reads right now? Like what you did with that Town-Null-Scum list at the start? I'm confused as to where you currently stand.

tn: I voted you because you flaked real hard at the start. Only when you got a wagon on you did you start talking. Unless you have a good reason for that? Also I find it ironic that you're voting Sephi for essentially lurking (not answer until now is lurking) when you called us out for voting you because you "lurked".

RB: Can you summarize your case against Frostings?

I've been practicing actual osu and forgot to check up on my games here for a few days.

Sonatora wrote:

Vote: Sephibro

Lemme help ya there tn-senpai

Considering Sona even more a scum now.

Also I seriously wonder what the fuck is Frostings doing. If it's a "gut feeling", then it's a damn terrible one.

Unvote

Not comfortable putting someone at L-1 without getting some kind of response first.