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Vangelis - Chariots Of Fire

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Matma Rex
586 posts
Joined March 2009
Matma Rex
[All]
IMO music should be louder, hitsounds quieter.
Coundown should be IMO removed.
Background is ugly - i'll try to fix it and put here.

[Normal]
Beginning (until first piano sounds) seems wrong for me, like it should be a bit later.
Try to follow piano and trumpets more, some sounds seem to be placed on complete silence.

[Hard]
Too many claps.
IMO too similar to [Normal] - you almost only made notes smaller and added some stacks.


But - the music is awesome, and until today I though it's also unmappable - you proved me wrong :)

edit:
Okay, fixed background is here - cleaned up with Jpeg Enhancer and improved with good ol' MS Paint. Also, maybe add some video? This one should fit well.
Mafiamaster
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3,460 posts
Joined July 2008
Mafiamaster
Normal~
  1. 00:53:53 (3) - Move 1/4 of a tick backwards
  2. 01:53:07 (3,4) - Move a tick foward
  3. 01:57:79 (1) - Move a tick forward
  4. 02:03:84 (4) - Move a tick backwards
Hard~
  1. 00:53:53 (3) - ^ Same as in Normal
  2. 01:14:51 (3) - Shorten this slider by a 1/4 tick.
  3. 01:53:07 (3,4) - Same as in Normal
  4. 01:57:79 (1) - ^
  5. 02:03:84 (4) - ^

Matma Rex wrote:

hitsounds quieter.
Andrea
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This map has been deleted on the request of its creator. It is no longer available.
Paulo8624
105 posts
Joined February 2009
Paulo8624
Before everything, remember all these are suggestions, not commands. You decide what to change at your beatmap.

[All]
Use soft hitsounds. Normal sounds too loud, and the low volume make them really weird, IMO.

[Normal]
00:31:56 (3,4) - copy 00:29:80 (1,2) here?
00:38:59 (3,4) - ^
00:40:35 (5,6) - ^
00:44:08 (1) - This bottoms my editor, can you do something about it?
01:13:85() - Add a note here and do proper spacing.
01:14:29() - ^
01:17:37 (2) - This tops my editor.
01:44:17 (3) - Make this last until the next white tick.
01:54:28 (1) - These are at the extreme lefts, making them very unintuitive and ugly. Change this, please?

[Hard]
01:38:02 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - This is REALLY unintuitive and weird. Remove the even notes of at least remove the whistle at them?
01:54:28 (1) - This tops my editor.
01:57:90 (1) - This bottons my editor.
01:59:22 (1) - This tops my editor.

Overall, take care of the hitsounds, as they are weird and don't match the song. Other than that, this is a good beatmap.

+Star
Andrea
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Thanks for modding Paulo. Updated!
Detective Tuesday
233 posts
Here since the beginning
Detective Tuesday
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Andrea
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Updated. Thanks a lot Tuesday!!!
HarryOrunitia
289 posts
Joined August 2008
HarryOrunitia
Normal:
00:44:08 (1) - Why is this so low on the screen? It doesn't look good
00:51:11 (1) - I don't like Finish here, but it's just my opinion XD
00:53:09 (2) - I think this sounds better on the previous red tick, even though you'd probably need 1/8 or different offsets for this song
01:14:73 (6) - I wouldn't put this here, it looks ugly, but again it's just my opinion :/

Hard:
00:31:45 (4,5,6,7) - Doesn't sound good, imo
00:44:08 (1) - Finish sounds weird here. Maybe you should try Soft Finish instead than Normal.

Some notes:
-I wouldn't feel the need to follow Distance Snap so strictly, especially between a combo and another. It leads you to off-grid beats and I hate them XDDD
-As I said, some notes may need to be placed on 1/8s to sound perfectly timed
-A higher quality background would be nice
-I don't like Linear sliders for this song, not that you should care anyway XDD

Apart from this, the map is really good. Starred :D
Andrea
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Updated. Thanks Harry <3
AlexanderPD
37 posts
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AlexanderPD
Hard

00:32:00 (7) - If you remove the last beat i think it sounds better :D
00:50:02 (4) - Omg i really hate this >_< IMHO it's a lot better without that 4

But.. the map was great! :D Starred ;)
WyndII
777 posts
Joined October 2008
WyndII
hi osuplayer111


NORMAL
00:42:33 (2) -maybe remove the reverse and put a note here 00:42:88
01:11:88 (1) - note should be here 01:11:99
01:11:88 (1,2,1,2) - Use 30% playback rate so you can be sure that its in 1/8 more(<--dont know if thats the right word)
01:15:45 (1,2) - ^
01:16:33 (1,2) - ^
01:21:21 (3) - extend 1/8
01:25:99 (1,2,1,2) - should be in 1/8
01:40:44 (5) - shorten 1/4
01:50:76 (1) - extend 1/8
01:51:15 (2) - note should be put here 01:51:152
01:52:52 (2) - extend 1/8
01:53:40 (4) - note should be here 01:53:459
01:56:42 (3,4,5) - 1/8

HARD
00:37:49 (1) - is not exactly aligned to 00:37:38 (3) -
00:42:33 (2) - maybe remove the reverse and put a note here 00:42:88
01:11:88 (1,2,1,2) - Use 30% playback rate so you can be sure that its in 1/8
01:13:85 (2) - extend 1/4
01:14:51 (4) - extend 1/8
01:51:20 (2) - note should be here 01:51:15
01:52:52 (2) - extend 1/8
01:53:40 (4) - note should be timed here 01:53:459
01:55:60 (1,2,3,4,5) - press K ;)
01:57:08 (5) - finish?
01:59:66 (2) - extend 1/8
02:03:18 (2) - shorten 1/4
02:03:73 (3) - press K

Some sliders are were shorten and extend so don't forget the spacing

actually, I didn't enjoy the map, sorry. Maybe no. 8 osuplayer111, make the map more fun? xD

Hoshi for u~
Andrea
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Updated. Thanks a lot for modding WyndII <3
Gabi
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Joined December 2008
Gabi
i think it's alright, but i would like to add a comment

01:38:90 (1,2,3) -
01:41:54 (1,2,3,4) -

when comparing these 2 they sound the same in the song (to me) but they aren't placed the same. my suggestion is

01:38:02 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3) - move (1) 1/4 back on the timeline (lands on blue tick) and move (2) 1/8 back on the timeline (will land on yellow) and fix the spacing

or

01:38:02 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3) - move them on the timeline like i said earlier and remove (6,7)


but these are just suggestions

Starz*
mrtn
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mrtn
try offset 29125

[normal]
all seems fine other than that it doesn't contain a spinner (which i highly recommend insert so that the scores aren't the same)

[hard]
00:53:98 - this break is too long imo..
i strongly recommend adding a spinner for the same reason as to normal.

Other than that, fun map. starred
Lesjuh
Elite Mapper
2,442 posts
Joined October 2008
Lesjuh
you don't have to change them but it would make this beatmap way more playable.

USE BEAT SNAP DIVISOR 1/6!!! FIX ALL SPACING!!!

Normal:
00:43:18 (3) - Replace this beat on the sliders end (*)
00:49:88 (3) - ^
00:53:07 (2) - do not place a jump here plz. Place them closer with Distance Snap 0,8x, same with the two beats after it.
01:10:89 (3) - ^
01:13:63 (1~6) - Make a better pattern of this combo
01:18:25 (3) - *
01:20:01 (2) - Move 1 to the right (grid snap level 3)
01:21:21 (3) - ^^^
01:21:76 (4) - Place closer to (3) (DS: 1,2x)
01:26:16 (2) - Place 1 to the right
01:27:91 (3) - line this one up
01:42:52 (3) - Fix spacing, Use distance snap 1,2x
01:45:05 (1) - ^
01:48:57 (1) - no jumps, ^
01:51:09 (2) - ^^^
01:53:18 (3) - I wouldn't place it like this, its better to follow DS: 1,2x ^
02:03:73 (4) - ^^^^^

Ok, now I've modded normal but you will really have to use beat snap divisor 1/6. Fix it plz
tieff
Featured Artist
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tieff
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Sushi
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Sushi
What to say?
Not much.
map is good.
But see an expert in timing , i'm not sure it is always great.
Star.
Andrea
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Andrea
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mosluv
748 posts
Joined December 2008
mosluv
Normal:
Good ;o!

Hard:
00:31:43 (4,5,6,7) - The way you used claps here sounds bad.
00:37:36 (3,1) - Align these properly.

Map is too silent for my tastes, but it's still good =)!
Real1
968 posts
Joined September 2008
Real1
Suggestions:

Both difficulties: Maybe lower the volume of the first section with like 1 tick? Sounds a bit too loud for the low volume song.

[Hard]
00:37:47 (1) - If you look clooosely, this isn't correctly stacked with the previous (2) and (3)

Interesting map! Star.
Amodeus
123 posts
Joined February 2009
Amodeus
Starred
Sleep Powder
1,540 posts
Joined October 2008
Sleep Powder
[Normal]
00:33:51 (2) - Add a Clap at the end of this
00:35:27 (4) - ^
00:36:81 (2) - ^
01:11:00 (3) - Red Tick?
01:14:07 (2,3) - Doesn't sound right...or maybe its just me
01:32:31 (3) - Add a finish?
01:32:31 (3) - Red Tick?
01:51:20 (2) - White Tick
01:53:51 (4) - Blue Tick
( the timing here is making me confused... )

[Hard]
01:38:02 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - The song is nice and slow why would you add this?

The placement looks fine but the timing doesn't feel right to me...
(ask someone more experienced than me)
bearing019
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bearing019
Bubble bursting time, I'm afraid. :?

Nearly everyone who has modded this map has reported a timing issue because this map uses COMPOUND 1/6 time.

For example, the slider at 0:42, the repeat comes after 4 1/6ths. The 2 at 0:53 is on the fourth 1/6 beat. The slider at 1:10 seems a little too long for a simple reason, it comes at the fourth 1/6 beat in that bar. (detecting a pattern?)

Let me put this in music terms. While it does indeed have 4/4 timing, it uses triplets, where 3 notes take the time of 2.

0 - - 0 - -
0 - 0 - 0 -

This now means, unfortunately, you'll have to go through your maps with a fine tooth comb and check them.

Good luck, as I'm sure you may need it. The triplets were the reason I decided not to do this song myself, you know.

I'll give you a pre-emptive star.
Andrea
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Andrea
I don't know what you mean exactly, what's the problem?
Andrea
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Andrea
Bump, maybe this map will go on graveyard :(
TecnoBoy_old
9 posts
Joined May 2009
TecnoBoy_old
"My 23th beatmap" lol you count them..XD
Starred
Lesjuh
Elite Mapper
2,442 posts
Joined October 2008
Lesjuh
Ack!

lesjuh wrote:

USE BEAT SNAP DIVISOR 1/6!! FIX ALL SPACING!!!
Do you actually know what I mean? D:
Zodiark1020
160 posts
Joined September 2008
Zodiark1020
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ignorethis
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ignorethis
wait. 23th?
Andrea
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Gopice
51 posts
Joined December 2008
Gopice
I think these types of map rely heavily on storyboarding, you need some. ;)
And maybe you could make the first return slider(00:42:30 (2)) a bit shorter and temporarily lower the slider speed to give that slowmotion effect ( it might get too short though).

Too be honest I miss a little bit of the tension that the music is building in your beatmap[hard], especially in the middle-part.

I'm not an experienced modder but I hope this was helpful.
Andrea
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Diasios
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Diasios
starred
Sir Minelli
524 posts
Joined September 2008
Sir Minelli
Timing for this map isn't perfect. I wont touch it though. Try asking an experienced BAT for help.
For the next time, try choosing a constant bpm mp3.

The break lasts 15.5 seconds and i dont feel that this song needs it at all. You could replace it for more beat patterns.

[Normal]

01:50:54 (6) - new combo, 01:50:76 (1) - undo new combo
01:54:28 (1) - move this to the next yellow tick and distance snap it.
01:55:60 (1) - same ^
01:56:42 (3) - move to next white tick and distance snap it.
01:56:75 (4) - move to next yellow tick and distance snap it.


[Hard]

00:37:47 (1) - undo new combo
00:38:57 (5) - new combo
00:49:88 (3,4) - This stack feels forced.
01:10:89 (3) - move this to the next red tick and snap.
01:20:55 (3) - new combo, 01:20:66 (1) - undo new combo
01:48:57 (1) - Start this somewhere else. It is too close to previous (6)
01:50:54 (6) - new combo, 01:50:76 (1) - undo new combo
01:51:09 (3) - i know this one follows the music, but it differs with the previous general rythm.
01:53:40 (4) - move this to the next blue tick and distance snap it.
01:54:28 (1) - move to the next yellow tick and distance snap it.
01:55:60 (1) - same ^
01:56:04 (2) - move to the next blue tick and distance snap it.
01:56:42 (3) - move to the next white tick and distance snap it.
02:02:74 (2) - new combo, 02:02:85 (1) - undo new combo.

Even after fixing the beats to perfectly match the music, i still get 100's and such.
To be honest, it will be hard to get this ranked.
Andrea
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Sir Minelli wrote:

Timing for this map isn't perfect. I wont touch it though. Try asking an experienced BAT for help.
For the next time, try choosing a constant bpm mp3.

The break lasts 15.5 seconds and i dont feel that this song needs it at all. You could replace it for more beat patterns.

[Normal]

01:50:54 (6) - new combo, 01:50:76 (1) - undo new combo
01:54:28 (1) - move this to the next yellow tick and distance snap it.
01:55:60 (1) - same ^
01:56:42 (3) - move to next white tick and distance snap it.
01:56:75 (4) - move to next yellow tick and distance snap it.


[Hard]

00:37:47 (1) - undo new combo
00:38:57 (5) - new combo
00:49:88 (3,4) - This stack feels forced.
01:10:89 (3) - move this to the next red tick and snap.
01:20:55 (3) - new combo, 01:20:66 (1) - undo new combo
01:48:57 (1) - Start this somewhere else. It is too close to previous (6)
01:50:54 (6) - new combo, 01:50:76 (1) - undo new combo
01:51:09 (3) - i know this one follows the music, but it differs with the previous general rythm.
01:53:40 (4) - move this to the next blue tick and distance snap it.
01:54:28 (1) - move to the next yellow tick and distance snap it.
01:55:60 (1) - same ^
01:56:04 (2) - move to the next blue tick and distance snap it.
01:56:42 (3) - move to the next white tick and distance snap it.
02:02:74 (2) - new combo, 02:02:85 (1) - undo new combo.

Even after fixing the beats to perfectly match the music, i still get 100's and such.
To be honest, it will be hard to get this ranked.
All fixed... thanks :)
Andrea
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Andrea
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This map is nearly to die xD
Andrea
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Andrea
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OUENDAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN !!!!!!!


I Need Help.
Inozuma
596 posts
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Inozuma
Ummmm...
Star~
Andrea
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Inozuma wrote:

Ummmm...
Star~
Irc help.
Andrea
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Andrea
BUMP.
Starrodkirby86
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Here since the beginning
Starrodkirby86
Man, this song is a classic. I love the fact that you mapped it.

[Normal]:
01:22:64 (1,2) - Move 1/2 back?

[Hard]:
01:22:64 (1,2) - Move 1/2 back?

The biggest problem here is definitely the piano bits of the song. As lesjuh said earlier, I think it's best snapped in 1/6 timing. Not only does it sound nice, it actually is evenly spaced throughout the bits of the piano, which should make it right even more. You don't have to snap the whole thing really, but yeah, all those piano areas.

Good luck. >A<
Ephemeral
Inland Empire
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Ephemeral
Vangelis?

Have a star. More people need to map the good stuff like this.
Andrea
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Starrodkirby86 wrote:

Man, this song is a classic. I love the fact that you mapped it.

[Normal]:
01:22:64 (1,2) - Move 1/2 back?

[Hard]:
01:22:64 (1,2) - Move 1/2 back?

The biggest problem here is definitely the piano bits of the song. As lesjuh said earlier, I think it's best snapped in 1/6 timing. Not only does it sound nice, it actually is evenly spaced throughout the bits of the piano, which should make it right even more. You don't have to snap the whole thing really, but yeah, all those piano areas.

Good luck. >A<
All fixed, thanks.

Can you re-check please and maybe bubble this? I have fixed some piano sections and your post suggestions with the help of xxheroxx. <3

I'm waiting for you xD
Diasios
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Diasios
Mod Info's:

Green: Suggestions.
Orange: I think you should fix this.
Red: You must fix this.

Starts Suggestions:

[Normal]

00:30:867 (x) - add a circle
00:34:382 (x) - ^
00:37:897 (x) - ^
00:39:216 (x) - ^

[Hard]

00:44:488 (x) - add a circle + finish
00:44:928 (x) - ^
00:47:125 (x) - ^
00:48:004 (x) - ^
00:48:443 (x) - ^
00:50:860 (x) - add a circle
00:51:299 (x) - ^
Andrea
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Revived. Still need timing help :<

EDIT: Remapped. I only need timing help. Map is ready to go again.
Armin
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Armin
first 136,730 - 41.867 ms
second ^ - 104.669 ms
third ^ - 111.780 ms

sul terzo non sono molto sicuro <_<
Andrea
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Armin wrote:

first 136,730 - 41.867 ms
second ^ - 104.669 ms
third ^ - 111.780 ms

sul terzo non sono molto sicuro <_<
Updated! I love you Armin! <3

He gave to me a different timing on IRC.
Diasios
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Diasios
irc modding

+

a beautiful purple pubble~ :lol:
gdeath
1,598 posts
Joined May 2009
gdeath
[Easy]
fine

[Normal]
00:38:589 (5,9) - new combo?
02:03:517 (x) - add a slider and make it start on 02:03:517,end on 02:03:738?

map is enough fine.
nothing found.
Star

dont give kds for this post.
Andrea
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gdeath wrote:

[Easy]
fine

[Normal]
00:38:589 (5,9) - new combo?
02:03:517 (x) - add a slider and make it start on 02:03:517,end on 02:03:738?

map is enough fine.
nothing found.
Star

dont give kds for this post.
Thank you.
Larto
4,128 posts
Joined June 2008
Larto
22210,439.785970827531,4,2,1,60,1,0
90875,439.785970827531,4,2,1,40,1,0
99700,441.175970827531,4,2,1,40,1,0
105035,439.71597082753,4,2,1,40,1,0
106793,441.17597082753,4,1,0,30,1,0

+ mp3:

Download: Vangelis - Chariots of Fire.mp3
Andrea
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Larto wrote:

22210,439.785970827531,4,2,1,60,1,0
90875,439.785970827531,4,2,1,40,1,0
99700,441.175970827531,4,2,1,40,1,0
105035,439.71597082753,4,2,1,40,1,0
106793,441.17597082753,4,1,0,30,1,0

+ mp3:
Great! Thanks.

All fixed~
kingcobra52
osu! Alumni
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kingcobra52
Larto's timing works pretty well. Bubbled.

To the next BAT: verify the timing before ranking.
Andrea
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Andrea
For confirm more this timing I post here a replay of me getting SS. I get it a lot of times already x_x
Larto
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Larto
Rebubbled after some intense 1/8 moving stuff. Before you go "wtf 1/8s this will be shit", most of this DOES play pretty well if you listen to the song, and would sound way more awkward if it was left on 1/4s or 1/2s.

EDIT: also yeah verify timing before you rank
Andrea
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Andrea
Thanks again. x3
blissfulyoshi
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blissfulyoshi
I am pretty sure mine and Larto's offsets are very different, but this is not the first time this has happened. As a result, you might have to tweak around with the offsets to your liking.

BPM: 136.400 Offset: 22,194
BPM: 135.600 Offset: 90,831
BPM: 135.600 Offset: 106,769

or

22194,439.882697947214,4,2,1,70,1,0
90831,442.477876106195,4,2,1,70,1,0
106793,441.176470588235,4,2,1,70,1,0

Please make sure you like that timing before you make any changes.
Also, here is a star. Good luck!
otakumak
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otakumak
+star~
Andrea
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Thanks a lot for the timing bliss <3

Anyway, for now because the map it's bubbled I wanna leave Larto's timing, if there are problems with this one, I'll probably use yours. Have a kudos for your hard work! Much appreciated.

P.S. I still get SS with Larto's timing.
mrtn
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ranked
Ephemeral
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Ephemeral
It interests me as to how a song with electronic backing can have a composite BPM.

Oh well.
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